community-2.webtv.net/sandymanassa/doc3/index.html I didn't add the http at the beginning, because it won't take it embedded on the rootsweb mailing list. But this is the addy to my page on my homepage that has partial info. on the Butcher line that came out of Virginia. Generation 7-8-9 were in the West Virginia/Virginia area. Let me know if you are curious about any of it or need anything more. Sandy