Hi Gaila! First, and foremost, thank you for your kind consideration about how you sound over email. I too understand it is very impersonal. Until you talk with a person face to face, you cannot really understand their emotion. I hope some day to have that joy of talking with you face to face as cousins. I understand your wanting to dig deep into the truth. I tend to go like gangbusters when on the trail of someone and do not let up. Thus I need to ask for your understanding if I sound argumentative. I am mostly extremely curious and love solving (or at least trying to) a mystery. Thus, let us dig together knowing we each are just aiming at a goal of trying to find out about these (two) men. I too have an example from my family. Also in S.C. were my Kirkland family. Two of the most infuriating people to reasearch were named Richard Snowden Kirkland. Their relationship was uncle and nephew. To make it worse, there was also a Richard Snowden Kirkland, Jr. (son of the uncle)! Also added to the mess was the fact that they were in S.C. living in burned out counties where the surviving records are slim to say the least. The nephew evidently tried to get around the confusion of names and went by Snowden Kirkland most of the time, but not all of the time. Of course, I have to descend from the nephew and nearly go crazy trying to sort out all the documentation. I feel we have a similar situation here with Reese Buzbee and William Reese Buzbee. To answer your first question, there is absolutely positively no proof that I have seen that William Reese was the son of Reese. I am only going by the simialr name and making a guess for now. It is only a guess, nothing more and may not stand the test of more documentation. I have a sneaking suspicion that Reese was either the maiden name of old Benjamin's mother or of his wife who bore his son Reese. Again, absolutely no documentation. That is just a guess from similar experience of many years of genealogical research. I think part of the identification hinges on setting the three sons of old Benjamin in their right age range. That is extremely difficult. They one fact that we have for certain is that the son Benjamin died before June 1817. Old Benjamin might have lived to a very ripe old age but perhaps his sons lived to a more normal age. Thus Benjamin Jr. died soon after his father. Thankfully he died before the terms of his father's will were settled so we have documentation to help roughly settle his death time. There are so many men by the name of Benjamin on the various censuses in S.C. that it is almost impossible to find old Benjamin and his son on any. Of course we are only talking about the 1790, 1800, & 1810. None of those set the person in a very helpful age range any way. Thus Benjamin, Jr. is not going to help us in establishing age range for the three sons. That is the reason I am looking at Miles. I cannot find Miles Sr. on the 1820 census but do find Miles Jr. age range 45 & up. Miles Sr.'s son William is near by in age range 26-45. Now, a lot depends on if I am reading two documents correctly. That is a huge if!!! The 1825 land deed where some of Miles Sr.'s children are selling their right to his land to two of the other children is significant. I think they are dividing his land because he had died. Of course, that could be wrong and I admit that. However, I find it hard to understand why they would be dividing his land otherwise. It is similar to some of the heirs of William Reese selling his land to other heirs after his death . If I am correct, then the Miles Busby on the 1830 S.C. census for Orangeburg, age range 60-70 is Miles Jr. He no longer needed to go by Jr. since his father is dead. As I look at the 1830 Georgia census for Bibb County, I find Reace Busby, age range 50-60. They are the same generation, if you follow where I am going. The estate papers I have for a Miles Busby dated November 14, 1831 lack the names of all the known children of Miles Sr. except for a John. Thus I feel these are the estate papers for Miles Jr. Miles Jr. died age range 61-71. William Resse died probably some time in 1844, age range 64-74. My point in all this is that I place Miles Jr. and William Reese in the same generation, both most likely grandchildren of old Benjamin. Do you follow my thinking? Where are the holes??? One more thing, I feel that Reese died in S.C. before March of 1822. I don't think he ever went to GA. I feel that William Reese is the one on the S.C. 1820 census and that he went by Reese since his dad was dead. I think that William Reese usually wnet by William Reese but sometimes by Reese after his dad's death. I am collecting documentation like crazy. You mentioned some land deeds, I assume for S.C. that I have not been able to obtain yet. May I ask for the documentation so I can order them from S.C. Archives? From your email, they are: "An interesting item to notice is that R. William Busby was a witness to Nathan Busby's land purchase in February of 1823 and the same plot of land that Reece purchased (lot 14 in the 4 District) was sold by William R. Busbee in 1826." Thank you. I have no land deeds for Reese in S.C. I look forward to your further input into this question. Kathy

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~busby/Census/censc.htm I think Benjamin had children besides Benjamin Jr, Miles and Reese. In the 1820 Census from the Busbee page, I find these names of people that came to Central Georgia and all living near each other and Ned's Emancipation papers prove that Benjamin, Sr has a daughter who was married to Lewis Sawyer. I think the children of Benjamin were given a portion as they married or reach a certain age. There is a record of the Busby Census on the Busby Webpage and that is where I took the following: Buzbee Mary, SC 1820 Lexington Dist p 42 / 0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0 Buzbee Hampton, SC 1820 Lexington Dist p 45 / 0-1-0-1-0-1-1-0-1-0-0-0 Buzbee Elisha,SC 1820 Lexington Dist p 45 / 0-0-1-1-0-1-0-0-1-0-1-0 Buzbee Reese,SC 1820 Lexington Dist p 45 / 1-0-0-1-0-1-1-1-0-0-1-0 Buzbee Fedrick,SC 1820 Lexington Dist p 45 / 3-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-1-0-0-0 Buzbee Nathaniel,SC 1820 Lexington Dist p 49 / 0-0-0-0-1-0-1-0-1-0-0-0 Buzbee Needham,SC 1820 Lexington Dist p 49 / 0-0-0-1-0-1-0-0-2-2-1-0 Buzbee Demsy SC 1820 Lexington Dist p 50 / 3-0-0-0-1-0-1-0-0-1-0-0 Males: 0 to 10 then 10 to 16 then 16 to 18 then 16 to 26 then 26 to 45 then 45 & up snip So since I believe that Reese the son of Benjamin, Sr was born about 1770-1775, he fits into the 45 years category in 1820 SC Census and also matches with the person William Reese Busby in Georgia and also the right age to be the father of James born circa 1800. If Reese is a younger son of Benjamin, Sr he lived to be about 70 years old. Not an overly old age. So by asking for holes in your story, I guess I am asking for more substantiation on why in your scenario you have all of the brothers die so closely together and what brought you to that conclusion without obituaries, wills or family tradition of that happening. I am trying to see what brought you to this conclusion? Is anyone else seeing something I am missing? Gaila > I think part of the identification hinges on setting the three sons of old Benjamin in their right age range. That is extremely difficult. They one fact that we have for certain is that the son Benjamin died before June 1817. Old Benjamin might have lived to a very ripe old age but perhaps his sons lived to a more normal age. Thus Benjamin Jr. died soon after his father. Thankfully he died before the terms of his father's will were settled so we have documentation to help roughly settle his death time. There are so many men by the name of Benjamin on the various censuses in S.C. that it is almost impossible to find old Benjamin and his son on any. Of course we are only talking about the 1790, 1800, & 1810. None of those set the person in a very helpful age range any way. Thus Benjamin, Jr. is not going to help us in establishing age range for the three sons. > > That is the reason I am looking at Miles. I cannot find Miles Sr. on the 1820 census but do find Miles Jr. age range 45 & up. Miles Sr.'s son William is near by in age range 26-45. Now, a lot depends on if I am reading two documents correctly. That is a huge if!!! The 1825 land deed where some of Miles Sr.'s children are selling their right to his land to two of the other children is significant. I think they are dividing his land because he had died. Of course, that could be wrong and I admit that. However, I find it hard to understand why they would be dividing his land otherwise. It is similar to some of the heirs of William Reese selling his land to other heirs after his death . > > If I am correct, then the Miles Busby on the 1830 S.C. census for Orangeburg, age range 60-70 is Miles Jr. He no longer needed to go by Jr. since his father is dead. As I look at the 1830 Georgia census for Bibb County, I find Reace Busby, age range 50-60. They are the same generation, if you follow where I am going. > > The estate papers I have for a Miles Busby dated November 14, 1831 lack the names of all the known children of Miles Sr. except for a John. Thus I feel these are the estate papers for Miles Jr. Miles Jr. died age range 61-71. William Resse died probably some time in 1844, age range 64-74. My point in all this is that I place Miles Jr. and William Reese in the same generation, both most likely grandchildren of old Benjamin. > > Do you follow my thinking? Where are the holes??? > > One more thing, I feel that Reese died in S.C. before March of 1822. I don't think he ever went to GA. I feel that William Reese is the one on the S.C. 1820 census and that he went by Reese since his dad was dead. I think that William Reese usually wnet by William Reese but sometimes by Reese after his dad's death. > > I am collecting documentation like crazy. You mentioned some land deeds, I assume for S.C. that I have not been able to obtain yet. May I ask for the documentation so I can order them from S.C. Archives? From your email, they are: "An interesting item to notice is that R. William Busby was a witness to Nathan Busby's land purchase in February of 1823 and the same plot of land that Reece purchased (lot 14 in the 4 District) was sold by William R. Busbee in 1826." Thank you. I have no land deeds for Reese in S.C. > > I look forward to your further input into this question. > > Kathy > > > ==== BUSBY Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb Resource Cluster > http://resources.rootsweb.com/~clusters/surnames > Listadmin: Gaila Merrington [email protected] > >