I'm gonna toss in my two-cent for what it's worth. I hope some folks agree... I read DAV, VFW, and American Legion Magazines every month. I am a member of each of these fine organizations. In them, there is plenty of patriotic discussion but very little genealogy. I watch CNN and FoxNews and my local news each day and they do a fairly good job of providing me with accurate current events information but not much genealogy. I subscribe to two different technology magazines which do a fine job of advising me of the present state of technology and I watch TechTV which does an amazing job of warning me of "real" issues in technology but not much about genealogy. I subscribe to very many Rootsweb lists in order to locate genealogical information. I don't look to VFW or CNN for genealogical information any more than I look to Rootsweb for the latest in world events. I absolutely don't look to rootsweb for the latest in technology (how many virus hoax messages have we each received from well meaning but ill-advised list members). Understanding too - that many readers of rootsweb lists ARE NOT IN THE USA! -- why would discussion of flying American flags be an appropriate discussion topic unless we are all so ethnocentric that we think the USA is the only nation on earth (or the only people worthy of subscribing to mailing lists). Or, unless we think that everyone reading genealogical mailing lists can't understand the idea that world events information is better received from journalists. Or, unless we have no regard for the time and interests of others (as is evidenced when the same off-topic message is cross-posted to many lists). IMHO - use the rootsweb lists for what they're intended, genealogical research. Wanna chat about flag flying? Subscribe to the VFW or Legion lists -- they talk about that all the time. Wanna complain about Rootsweb or Ancestry or Genealogy.com or USGenWeb or ..... make sure that you're whining about a "real" genealogical problem and not something no different than saying (for example) "those un-American police officers in my town won't let me drive my car inside the mall" or "those anti-American editors at _Ford Magazine_ won't include photos of my Pontiac!" Cars don't belong in the mall - Pontiacs aren't featured in Ford Magazine - World Events and patriotism are not surname specific topics. -- IMHO, complaining that you can't discuss completely unrelated topics on a genealogy mailing list is no different than those examples. CoachT (who remembers the "old days") enjoying my subscription to each of these services - it beats the heck out of travelling around the country to courthouses and libraries... And is much cheaper too! -----Original Message----- From: nls [mailto:naela@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 10:53 AM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BURNS] Roots Web & Ancestry.com I do hope that the List Admin. will respond to this. But I have to say that I have not see ANY "anti-American" or "unpatriotic" posts on these lists, and I belong to quite a few. What I have seen is a very few reminders that these lists are for the discussion of genealogy, not current events. And that is certainly true, and part of the "job" of the list admins. Nan -------Original Message------- From: SiBeg@aol.com Sent: 04/17/03 11:12 AM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BURNS] Roots Web & Ancestry.com > > Hello All, <(In February 2001, A&E Television Networks (AETN) acquired Genealogy.com, LLC. With this acquisition, AETN extends its diverse historical and biographical line-up by adding family history to the list and enabling Genealogy.com to leverage the company's most recognized brands-A&E(r), Biography(r), and The History Channel(r). As a new division of A&E Television Networks, Genealogy.com will continue to enrich the lives of its customers by providing the tools, resources, and community that empower them to uncover and share the unique family stories.)> I believe the above explains the unpatriotic, un-American, political correct attitude of Roots Web. It seems that whenever we get anything good going it will be gobbled up by those that wish to control our minds, and thus our heritage. I am in complete agreement with Tim, I personally contacted Ancestry.com at <A HREF="http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php" > <a target=_blank href="http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php< /A>?">http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php< /A>?</a> and left a message requesting clarification only to be completely ignored thus far. Then today I received a call wanting to know if I wished to renew my subscription to Ancestry.com and while attempting to explain why I did not, the other party insinuated I must be some kind of political nut to be patriotic and not wish to fall in with the Political Correct crowd. At this time I am canceling all subscriptions to MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, and Genealogy.com, and removing myself from all Roots Web, MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, and Genealogy.com sites so that they cannot profit in any way from me. Thank you! Silas Begley Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:59:47 -0500 From: "Tim & Valorie Spence" <spence1@fuse.net> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001201c2f9b6$fed8cb60$6401a8c0@armyof1> Subject: [KYCLAY] Resignation Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit County Coordinator            Clay Co. Ky. County Coordinator            Owsley Co. Ky. Clay Co. Ky. Archives        FM Owsley Co. Ky. Archives   FM Perry Co. Ky.  Archives      FM Rhode Island Tombstone     FM Delaware  Tombstone         FM Hi All, I have had to face some disturbing realities recently where Rootsweb and Ancestry are concerned.  A list owner recently posted a message urging flight of the American flag in support of our troops which are now in harms way.  The mother of a soldier that she mentioned in her post happened to be my wife Who in a conversation mentioned that she had not seen as many flags as in recent months.  Margy than made her post.  The response to that post from Rootsweb was amazing in my view.  Rootsweb said that any mention of support of our troops or mention of our flag was in fact to politically incorrect  for them.  I personally am not interested in being associated with a organization that is ashamed of our American troops or our American flag.  I am sure that 90% of the people on these lists are American, may be 10% of them don't support our nation or our troops.  I could care less what the French, Germans or Canadians think.  As a father I wish I could trade places with my son, as a Patriot, I wish I could put my uniform back on and stand next to him to protect all of our liberties and freedoms. During this period, I was told that my signature tag had to be removed from my mailings, again because it was to patriotic.  As you can see my signature tag remains.  I am offended by the anti American stand Rootsweb has taken and the support that Ancestry has given them in this stance.  The only reason they get away with it is because list owners, state coordinators and in fact all of us who use this service let them.  I can not be a party to it. As for myself, for the genealogical community I love so much and feel I have served so well for the past 5 years I will leave all of the information I have contributed on those websites.  I will not however be contributing to this organization in the future.  While my resignation may not change the way this organization feels about this country or our troops, my conscience will feel much better. Timothy W. Spence Sr. - ------------------------------------------------- War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill ~ (1868) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: <a target=_blank href="http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237">http: //www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237</a> > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I agree will you all. We don't thank our men in the service. Having had a husband that was in the Navy for ten years we never thank them for fighting for our freedom. I for one thank them everyday. Ruth

I agree with Nan on this. It is not the job of genealogy sites to comment or pander to any group with respect to current events. Mike Short Des Moines, IA

Hello All, <(In February 2001, A&E Television Networks (AETN) acquired Genealogy.com, LLC. With this acquisition, AETN extends its diverse historical and biographical line-up by adding family history to the list and enabling Genealogy.com to leverage the company's most recognized brands-A&E(r), Biography(r), and The History Channel(r). As a new division of A&E Television Networks, Genealogy.com will continue to enrich the lives of its customers by providing the tools, resources, and community that empower them to uncover and share the unique family stories.)> I believe the above explains the unpatriotic, un-American, political correct attitude of Roots Web. It seems that whenever we get anything good going it will be gobbled up by those that wish to control our minds, and thus our heritage. I am in complete agreement with Tim, I personally contacted Ancestry.com at <A HREF="http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php"> http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php</A>? and left a message requesting clarification only to be completely ignored thus far. Then today I received a call wanting to know if I wished to renew my subscription to Ancestry.com and while attempting to explain why I did not, the other party insinuated I must be some kind of political nut to be patriotic and not wish to fall in with the Political Correct crowd. At this time I am canceling all subscriptions to MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, and Genealogy.com, and removing myself from all Roots Web, MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, and Genealogy.com sites so that they cannot profit in any way from me. Thank you! Silas Begley Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:59:47 -0500 From: "Tim & Valorie Spence" <spence1@fuse.net> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001201c2f9b6$fed8cb60$6401a8c0@armyof1> Subject: [KYCLAY] Resignation Content-Type: text/plain;     charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit County Coordinator            Clay Co. Ky. County Coordinator            Owsley Co. Ky. Clay Co. Ky. Archives        FM Owsley Co. Ky. Archives   FM Perry Co. Ky.  Archives      FM Rhode Island Tombstone     FM Delaware  Tombstone         FM Hi All, I have had to face some disturbing realities recently where Rootsweb and Ancestry are concerned.  A list owner recently posted a message urging flight of the American flag in support of our troops which are now in harms way.  The mother of a soldier that she mentioned in her post happened to be my wife Who in a conversation mentioned that she had not seen as many flags as in recent months.  Margy than made her post.  The response to that post from Rootsweb was amazing in my view.  Rootsweb said that any mention of support of our troops or mention of our flag was in fact to politically incorrect  for them.  I personally am not interested in being associated with a organization that is ashamed of our American troops or our American flag.  I am sure that 90% of the people on these lists are American, may be 10% of them don't support our nation or our troops.  I could care less what the French, Germans or Canadians think.  As a father I wish I could trade places with my son, as a Patriot, I wish I could put my uniform back on and stand next to him to protect all of our liberties and freedoms. During this period, I was told that my signature tag had to be removed from my mailings, again because it was to patriotic.  As you can see my signature tag remains.  I am offended by the anti American stand Rootsweb has taken and the support that Ancestry has given them in this stance.  The only reason they get away with it is because list owners, state coordinators and in fact all of us who use this service let them.  I can not be a party to it. As for myself, for the genealogical community I love so much and feel I have served so well for the past 5 years I will leave all of the information I have contributed on those websites.  I will not however be contributing to this organization in the future.  While my resignation may not change the way this organization feels about this country or our troops, my conscience will feel much better. Timothy W. Spence Sr. - ------------------------------------------------- War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill ~ (1868)

I do hope that the List Admin. will respond to this. But I have to say that I have not see ANY "anti-American" or "unpatriotic" posts on these lists, and I belong to quite a few. What I have seen is a very few reminders that these lists are for the discussion of genealogy, not current events. And that is certainly true, and part of the "job" of the list admins. Nan -------Original Message------- From: SiBeg@aol.com Sent: 04/17/03 11:12 AM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BURNS] Roots Web & Ancestry.com > > Hello All, <(In February 2001, A&E Television Networks (AETN) acquired Genealogy.com, LLC. With this acquisition, AETN extends its diverse historical and biographical line-up by adding family history to the list and enabling Genealogy.com to leverage the company's most recognized brands-A&E(r), Biography(r), and The History Channel(r). As a new division of A&E Television Networks, Genealogy.com will continue to enrich the lives of its customers by providing the tools, resources, and community that empower them to uncover and share the unique family stories.)> I believe the above explains the unpatriotic, un-American, political correct attitude of Roots Web. It seems that whenever we get anything good going it will be gobbled up by those that wish to control our minds, and thus our heritage. I am in complete agreement with Tim, I personally contacted Ancestry.com at <A HREF="http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php"> <a target=_blank href="http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php</A>?">http://ancestry.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ancestry.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php</A>?</a> and left a message requesting clarification only to be completely ignored thus far. Then today I received a call wanting to know if I wished to renew my subscription to Ancestry.com and while attempting to explain why I did not, the other party insinuated I must be some kind of political nut to be patriotic and not wish to fall in with the Political Correct crowd. At this time I am canceling all subscriptions to MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, and Genealogy.com, and removing myself from all Roots Web, MyFamily.com, Ancestry.com, and Genealogy.com sites so that they cannot profit in any way from me. Thank you! Silas Begley Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:59:47 -0500 From: "Tim & Valorie Spence" <spence1@fuse.net> To: KYCLAY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001201c2f9b6$fed8cb60$6401a8c0@armyof1> Subject: [KYCLAY] Resignation Content-Type: text/plain; �� �� charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit County Coordinator�� �� �� �� �� �� Clay Co. Ky. County Coordinator�� �� �� �� �� �� Owsley Co. Ky. Clay Co. Ky. Archives�� �� �� �� FM Owsley Co. Ky. Archives���� FM Perry Co. Ky.�� Archives�� �� �� FM Rhode Island Tombstone�� ���� FM Delaware�� Tombstone�� �� �� ���� FM Hi All, I have had to face some disturbing realities recently where Rootsweb and Ancestry are concerned.�� A list owner recently posted a message urging flight of the American flag in support of our troops which are now in harms way.�� The mother of a soldier that she mentioned in her post happened to be my wife Who in a conversation mentioned that she had not seen as many flags as in recent months.�� Margy than made her post.�� The response to that post from Rootsweb was amazing in my view.�� Rootsweb said that any mention of support of our troops or mention of our flag was in fact to politically incorrect�� for them.�� I personally am not interested in being associated with a organization that is ashamed of our American troops or our American flag.�� I am sure that 90% of the people on these lists are American, may be 10% of them don't support our nation or our troops.�� I could care less what the French, Germans or Canadians think.�� As a father I wish I could trade places with my son, as a Patriot, I wish I could put my uniform back on and stand next to him to protect all of our liberties and freedoms. During this period, I was told that my signature tag had to be removed from my mailings, again because it was to patriotic.�� As you can see my signature tag remains.�� I am offended by the anti American stand Rootsweb has taken and the support that Ancestry has given them in this stance.�� The only reason they get away with it is because list owners, state coordinators and in fact all of us who use this service let them.�� I can not be a party to it. As for myself, for the genealogical community I love so much and feel I have served so well for the past 5 years I will leave all of the information I have contributed on those websites.�� I will not however be contributing to this organization in the future.�� While my resignation may not change the way this organization feels about this country or our troops, my conscience will feel much better. Timothy W. Spence Sr. - ------------------------------------------------- War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling, which thinks that nothing is worth war, is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. - John Stuart Mill ~ (1868) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: <a target=_blank href="http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237">http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237</a> >

In a message dated 4/5/03 10:16:19 AM Pacific Standard Time, DBurns1060@aol.com writes: << I have some Tarrance Burns info if his is the Loudoun Co. Va one. I will accept your email >> Hi, I don't know a lot about Tarrance. He lived in Harrison Co., KY when B.F. was born in 1820. Tarrance was married to Catherine Jackson and they had 12 children. They later moved to IN. Actually, I am not a blood relative. B.F. was my grandmother's stepfather. They lived in MO. Thanks for your note. If anything sounds familiar, let me know. I might be able to supply a little more info.

Evening All, I am trying this again. Does anyone have a David Q. Burns born Oct 10, 1809 in Mass or N.H? I can't find his parents anywhere. Ruth Mesarch

I am trying this again. Does anyone have a David Q. Burns born Oct 10, 1809 in Mass or N.H? I can't find his parents anywhere. Ruth Mesarch

Hello List, Thought I'd try my luck in posting this message again! My great-great grandfather was Capt. George Burns McLellan born about 1811 in Nova Scotia died August 2, 1887 in Great Village, Colchester County, Nova Scotia; and he is buried at Mahon Cemetery in Great Village. He married Jane Megeney February 28, 1837 in Londonderry, Colchester County, Nova Scotia; and they had 10 children. I am searching for information as to where he was born and also the names of his parents and siblings. Any Burns related? Any help you may have would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. Regards, Vivian Warren Keep Open Forever, The Road to Yesterday!

I have some Tarrance Burns info if his is the Loudoun Co. Va one. I will accept your email

Thank you Geralyn and Susan for the tips for finding more info. I, unfortunately, am still at a brick wall. But I have some new avenues to look at. If you all think of any more tips please let me know. Thanks again. Judy

Roberta-- If you are on this list---you sent me an email about B.F. and Tarrence Burns, but when I try to answer it, I get a message saying you are not accepting mail from me. ???? Barbra

Hi Judy (and list), Since you asked for suggestions, here are a few that come to mind immediately... I thought I would post this to the list, since it might be useful to others too. First and foremost, did Barney or his widow receive a pension for his Civil War service? Pension records often have lots of interesting family information, especially if the widow applied for a pension - she had to prove death of soldier, her own marriage to soldier, and the marriage and death of any previous wives of soldier, plus births of any minor children. Soldier's (also called invalid) application often (not always) listed names and dates of birth of children. I have seen some applications with exact place of birth or marriage in Ireland mentioned - not my own family, of course! And I have seen a couple of service records (different from pension records) that stated place of origin in Ireland - but that is more unusual. However, YOU may be lucky. I did find "Barney BURNS" listed in the "Civil War Pension Index" online at ancestry.com. The images of the index cards are online there [for-pay site]. They are taken from a US government-generated index that actually includes military service from the time of the Civil War to just before WWI, including the Spanish American War. [Citation for source of images: National Archives and Records Administration. General Index to Pension Files, 1861-1934. T288, 544 rolls. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration]. The pension index is often available on microfilm at libraries that have major genealogical collections. The index card says Barney BURNS, widow Mary I BURNS, service in Vaughan's Indpt Batty Ill L.A. [Independent Battery Illinois Light Artillery]. He filed in 1879 (for an invalid pension: application #292,562 and certificate #332,316), and she filed for a widow's pension on 31 May 1894 (application # 596,088 and certificate #416,325, filed from Illinois) - which fits with his death in May 1894. Application and certificate numbers are helpful in ordering the pension record from the National Archives. If you already have a pension record for him, is it the complete record - every page - or just the pages deemed to be "of genealogical interest" when you ordered the record from the National Archives? [It is good to have every page, just in case THEY missed something important.] Have you followed up on tracing the witnesses in the records? They were often relatives: even though the relationship to a witness was not usually stated in the pension record, further research often reveals the relationship. Same for baptismal sponsors of children, marriage witnesses and naturalization witnesses - all should be treated as potential relatives whose records may hold a clue. Perhaps records for other family members or associates of Barney mention a place in Ireland - that's often a good place to start your search for Barney's origins if his own records mention no more than just "Ireland". At least he has a fairly distinctive first name: Barney (or Barnard or Bernard) is much better than John! Have you checked ALL the records associated with his Civil War service and the service of his unit? Did you find an obit for Barney? Did he belong to a GAR post? If he did, have you looked for records associated with that? How about obits (or other new stories) in the local newspapers for him, for his children and widow or for other relatives? Did you get information from Calvary Cemetery about the burial of his first wife, or is that a family story? Does the grave have a stone on it? Is there anyone else in the grave? Have you traced all the people in the grave? I'm guessing they were Catholic (at least maybe Barney and his first wife). Have you found baptisms for any of the children - the ones born in NY and IL? Marriage records for Barney? Did you trace him in city directories and censuses in the NYC area? Do you know what brought him to Illinois? Were there other relatives there already? Have you located Barney and all his children (and any other relatives) in every possible census, including state censuses? Occasionally a census taker erred and wrote exact information, like city or county of origin in Ireland (of course, not for my family, but I've seen it many times for others - you could be the lucky one). I've seen county of origin (in Ireland) written in under the parents' information in the 1930 census in particular. At the very least, the 1930 census should state either "Northern Ireland" or "Irish Free State" for place of birth of the parents, since they were separate countries by then. Have you found all the children in 1930? These are just a few suggestions, but in my experience, the Civil War Pension records and gravestones are the 2 most likely places to find exact information about Irish origins, followed by obituary (or death notice or account of funeral in newspaper). But you never know where you might find that crucial bit of information you need. Also, the more information you have, the better you can decide if a new piece if information is correct. For both these reasons, it's important to track down every piece of paper you can that mentions any member of the family and their associates. Even if a newly found record is disappointing to you because it doesn't state place of origin in Ireland, don't give up! Examine it closely, and make sure you diligently follow up on ALL clues it holds. I hope my suggestions have been helpful to you... Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon tracing BURNS, BEIRNE and BYRNES in northern NJ, mostly in Passaic (Paterson) and Bergen Counties - 3 different families marrying into mine! All from Ireland originally... At 11:04 AM 4/2/03 -0600, you wrote: >BURNS] Barney Burns > > I am trying to break down a huge brick wall. I am looking for Barney Burns >born May 27 1825 in Ireland. Came to the U.S. thru New York about 1850. His >first wife was Ann ? died in New York buried Calvary Cem. They had a son >named Peter. Barney moved to Illinois and was in the Civil War. In 1866 he >married Serena Mary Irene Jones. He died May 1894 in Springfield, IL she >died Aug 1925 in Springfield. Their children were Richard b: 1867, William >b: 1870, John F. b: 1872, George O. b:1874, Margaret "Maggie" b: 1879 and >James A. b: 1880. The "family" has always said Barney's parents were Owen >and Mary (poss. Barnett). They remained in Ireland. I have no idea were in >Ireland they are from. Any help breaking this brick wall down or suggestions >welcomed. > >Judy

For years we had been looking for the Burns family without a lot of luck. We contacted the Roscommon Heritage Center and found out that the family was Beirne before they left Ireland and appearently Immigration people changed it to Burns. Wee found our family in ClooneQuin, Roscommon! Howard Killian

Sorry, I'm of no help on this one. Tom Burns

I still trying to find out some info on David Quigg Burns. I know the following . David Q. Burns was born on Oct,10 1809 in Mass or NY and married Hannah ? and she was born Feb 18,1816. They had one child that I know of and his name was George C. Burns. I have no date of birth. I am trying to find out where David Q. Burns parents came from and hitting a brick wall. Thank You Ruth Mesarch

try cscunc@aol,com This person has resources related to Scotch Irish Genealogies. And if you go on the net to Center for Migration Studies you might find more. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jgreen" <jgreen@famvid.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: [BURNS] Barney Burns > BURNS] Barney Burns > > > I am trying to break down a huge brick wall. I am looking for Barney Burns > born May 27 1825 in Ireland. Came to the U.S. thru New York about 1850. His > first wife was Ann ? died in New York buried Calvary Cem. They had a son > named Peter. Barney moved to Illinois and was in the Civil War. In 1866 he > married Serena Mary Irene Jones. He died May 1894 in Springfield, IL she > died Aug 1925 in Springfield. Their children were Richard b: 1867, William > b: 1870, John F. b: 1872, George O. b:1874, Margaret "Maggie" b: 1879 and > James A. b: 1880. The "family" has always said Barney's parents were Owen > and Mary (poss. Barnett). They remained in Ireland. I have no idea were in > Ireland they are from. Any help breaking this brick wall down or suggestions > welcomed. > > Judy > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I personally don't have information but have a couple of links that you might explore. WWW.uhf.org.uk. This is the Ulster Foundation and it accepts inquiries. And shortly I will simply forward to you a couple of other resources. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jgreen" <jgreen@famvid.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: [BURNS] Barney Burns > BURNS] Barney Burns > > > I am trying to break down a huge brick wall. I am looking for Barney Burns > born May 27 1825 in Ireland. Came to the U.S. thru New York about 1850. His > first wife was Ann ? died in New York buried Calvary Cem. They had a son > named Peter. Barney moved to Illinois and was in the Civil War. In 1866 he > married Serena Mary Irene Jones. He died May 1894 in Springfield, IL she > died Aug 1925 in Springfield. Their children were Richard b: 1867, William > b: 1870, John F. b: 1872, George O. b:1874, Margaret "Maggie" b: 1879 and > James A. b: 1880. The "family" has always said Barney's parents were Owen > and Mary (poss. Barnett). They remained in Ireland. I have no idea were in > Ireland they are from. Any help breaking this brick wall down or suggestions > welcomed. > > Judy > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

BURNS] Barney Burns I am trying to break down a huge brick wall. I am looking for Barney Burns born May 27 1825 in Ireland. Came to the U.S. thru New York about 1850. His first wife was Ann ? died in New York buried Calvary Cem. They had a son named Peter. Barney moved to Illinois and was in the Civil War. In 1866 he married Serena Mary Irene Jones. He died May 1894 in Springfield, IL she died Aug 1925 in Springfield. Their children were Richard b: 1867, William b: 1870, John F. b: 1872, George O. b:1874, Margaret "Maggie" b: 1879 and James A. b: 1880. The "family" has always said Barney's parents were Owen and Mary (poss. Barnett). They remained in Ireland. I have no idea were in Ireland they are from. Any help breaking this brick wall down or suggestions welcomed. Judy

In a message dated 3/17/2003 5:00:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, BURNS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > X-Message: #2 > Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:21:07 -0500 > From: Ruth E Mesarch <ruthmesarch@juno.com> > To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20030316.172233.2760.13.RuthMesarch@juno.com> > Subject: Re: [BURNS] BURNS in MD > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I have been told that Burns might have been Campbell and changed over > when they where kicked out of Scotland. > Ruth White Mesarch Hi, Could you elaborate on the above? I have an ancestor who was a Burns from Dublin, and her cousins there were Campbells. CHSouthwick