The Place in Scotland is LANARKSHIRE which is east of Glasgow. My Burns come from that area, in fact most of them are still there. Chris Burns ----- Original Message ----- From: "RONALD K MYATT" <rkmyatt1@msn.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [BURNS] The Burns Family > What and who are you responding to???? I am sure many of us would like to know who you think you are linking up with... I wish it was me... I would just love to link up to some Burns but as yet have found no one who matches me!!! > > Karen Stotts Myatt a descendant of Elizabeth Burns and Johannes William Frederick Herbst, > Emery BURNS and Mary Malinda Grimm > William BURNS and Juliette Belote > Blakely BURNS and Lucy Moon > John BURNS and Ruth Willey ( Very uncertain if this last pedigree part is father or brother to Blakely Burns) > > I am told that my BURNS originally came from Lenarkshire, Scottland. I have never seen any documentation of this and cannot seem to stay in connection with the man who told me that so am still uncertain of it. > > Thank you, > > Karen Stotts Myatt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sweetz3173@aol.com > To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: [BURNS] The Burns Family > > > Wow, do you have any other information? This sounds like it is possibly my family line. I know that I had a ggma or gggma that was from England and I also have been told that our family is part Irish. > I am hitting a brick wall everywhere I turn. I am unsure why but, there is NO info that I can connect to us. I do however, remember possibly seeing the info in the email I am responding to but saw no direct link. > > Please advise > Thank you so much. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Chris, Truly, thank you for the correction. I didn't even think of if I had it right or wrong! I was just doing it by memory.... which is flawed in my ripening years of 47 (as of this Tuesday anyhow!) Since they are from that area too, it would be so interesting if there was a tie those many years ago. Mine came to NY in the early 1800s (oops.. that is if memory serves me!) I am not looking, I am just doing what I think I remember.... Anyway, thank you so much for giving me the right word... Have you ever been to Lanarkshire??? Karen Stotts Myatt ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Burns To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [BURNS] The Burns Family The Place in Scotland is LANARKSHIRE which is east of Glasgow. My Burns come from that area, in fact most of them are still there. Chris Burns ----- Original Message ----- From: "RONALD K MYATT" <rkmyatt1@msn.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [BURNS] The Burns Family > What and who are you responding to???? I am sure many of us would like to know who you think you are linking up with... I wish it was me... I would just love to link up to some Burns but as yet have found no one who matches me!!! > > Karen Stotts Myatt a descendant of Elizabeth Burns and Johannes William Frederick Herbst, > Emery BURNS and Mary Malinda Grimm > William BURNS and Juliette Belote > Blakely BURNS and Lucy Moon > John BURNS and Ruth Willey ( Very uncertain if this last pedigree part is father or brother to Blakely Burns) > > I am told that my BURNS originally came from Lenarkshire, Scottland. I have never seen any documentation of this and cannot seem to stay in connection with the man who told me that so am still uncertain of it. > > Thank you, > > Karen Stotts Myatt > ----- Original Message ----- > From: sweetz3173@aol.com > To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: [BURNS] The Burns Family > > > Wow, do you have any other information? This sounds like it is possibly my family line. I know that I had a ggma or gggma that was from England and I also have been told that our family is part Irish. > I am hitting a brick wall everywhere I turn. I am unsure why but, there is NO info that I can connect to us. I do however, remember possibly seeing the info in the email I am responding to but saw no direct link. > > Please advise > Thank you so much. > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The Bobbie Burns I am related to is a nickname for a great aunt but I would be glad to send it to you. It is on a floppy so I will have to dig it out. Cathy

Thanks for the information on Robert Burns, I will check it out. CJHB

Wow, do you have any other information? This sounds like it is possibly my family line. I know that I had a ggma or gggma that was from England and I also have been told that our family is part Irish. I am hitting a brick wall everywhere I turn. I am unsure why but, there is NO info that I can connect to us. I do however, remember possibly seeing the info in the email I am responding to but saw no direct link. Please advise Thank you so much.

What and who are you responding to???? I am sure many of us would like to know who you think you are linking up with... I wish it was me... I would just love to link up to some Burns but as yet have found no one who matches me!!! Karen Stotts Myatt a descendant of Elizabeth Burns and Johannes William Frederick Herbst, Emery BURNS and Mary Malinda Grimm William BURNS and Juliette Belote Blakely BURNS and Lucy Moon John BURNS and Ruth Willey ( Very uncertain if this last pedigree part is father or brother to Blakely Burns) I am told that my BURNS originally came from Lenarkshire, Scottland. I have never seen any documentation of this and cannot seem to stay in connection with the man who told me that so am still uncertain of it. Thank you, Karen Stotts Myatt ----- Original Message ----- From: sweetz3173@aol.com To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [BURNS] The Burns Family Wow, do you have any other information? This sounds like it is possibly my family line. I know that I had a ggma or gggma that was from England and I also have been told that our family is part Irish. I am hitting a brick wall everywhere I turn. I am unsure why but, there is NO info that I can connect to us. I do however, remember possibly seeing the info in the email I am responding to but saw no direct link. Please advise Thank you so much. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The life of Robert Burns has been gone over by so many people that what is known is known. This Web site has his geneology both Paternal and Maternal for the 12 generations to date. See if something rings a bell The Robert Burns Family History http://www.burness.ca/burns.html Good Luck Ruth Chris Burns ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth E Mesarch" <ruthmesarch@juno.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [BURNS] The Burns Tartan > Hi, > I too have been told I to was relate to Robert Burns by my aunt. She > has passed and nobody can find her family tree she had traced back to the > Mayflower. I can't get past David Q. Burns born 1806-09 in New York. > Ruth Mesarch > RuthMesarch@juno.com > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have a marriage of my GGG GF, Bartholomew BURNS & Margaret COLLINS 1839, Bermondsey, Sry, Eng. Bart’ was the son of David and Margaret was the daughter of Denis. Bart’ and Margaret had a son, William BURNS b.Mar 1841, who later became a Policeman and married Ellen RYAN. Does this ring anyone’s bells? Regards, Nige. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.491 / Virus Database: 290 - Release Date: 18/06/2003

Still searching for Thomas Alvin Burns, born 4-10-39, deceased (I think) 1995. Graduated from Albany (GA) High School in June of 1957 and went into the Navy. Recruit training at San Diego, CA and also USN Hospital Corps School at Balboa Hosp. San Diego. Then to USMC at Pendelton. Don't know where from there. John Battle Guyton, GA

Hi, My Burns family was in Kansas until abt 1900. I have traced back to James Burns, who was born in Ireland - no name for his wife. He had a child, Patrick Joseph Burns, born in 1856, in York, Leeds, England. He married Mary Teresa Cullen, and they had 14 children, the first James John burns, born in 1881 in England. Patrick, Mary, and James John left England for the US in late 1881-1882. I found them in Osage, Kansas. This information was on a Social Security application that was submitted by one of Patricks and Marys children. Have searched to see when Patrick landed in the US and where he landed - the archives have nothing. If anyone connects with this info please contact me. Ada Burns Cardon AdaMel5@aol.com

The question was asked: <<<<Thank you for such a clear description. I have a question. If one's father served in a regiment, is it proper to wear that tartan? Because of my upbringing, I feel a great loyalty to my father's regiment, but don't want my emotional attachment to result in disrespect. Thanks, C. Hunter Southwick >>>> Keeping in mind that what is appropriate in the USA is likely not the same elsewhere in the world. It's probably not appropriate except/unless that Regiment has an association of former members and their kin. In which case the association plaid would be that of the regiment. OR, if the regimental plaid is also that of a geographic area. OR, if the regimental plaid is also that of a clan you wish to sffiliate with. That said though -- consider this not unlike a necktie here in the USA; how many of us would know a Harvard tie on sight and then how many of us would care who were wearing one? C.R. Turner

Hi, I too have been told I to was relate to Robert Burns by my aunt. She has passed and nobody can find her family tree she had traced back to the Mayflower. I can't get past David Q. Burns born 1806-09 in New York. Ruth Mesarch RuthMesarch@juno.com

> Have greatly enjoyed the "Tartan Discussion", if for no other reason it has brought a lot of folks to the table. Now that you are all here, I am less than a genealogist with an interest in knowing more about my gg grandfather and family. David Burns, his wife Agnes Fergeson (?) Burns and their children Robert, James, Alexander, Agnes, Isabella,Margaret, Jean, and Jeanette left Ballantrae, Scotland for the US in 1854. We know they farmed in the Ballantrae area (have rent receipts from Crailoch) prior to settling near Bloomfield, Ia. Ring any bells with anybody? J Sheppard

This is what I have also been told by individuals I have talked with at the Celtic Festival that a city near me has every June. I once belonged to the Campbell Clan Society. They have a webpage that could shed some light on it for you. I always felt like I had to have some Scottish or Irish blood in me because I love the sounds of the bagpipes and the celtic harps. I didn't know I was until I did my research. I have since learned that I am definately Irish and suspect the Scottish blood. Oh, by the way the Clan Campbell Society of America, if you join, will help you with your research in Scotland and Ireland. It might pay off to join and it isn't all that expensive and the festivals are so much fun. My kids love going to them and learning about their heritage. The Scottish sword dance is a sight to behold and the bagpipes send chills up and down my spine. I just love it all. According to my grandmother, my family is related to Robert Burns, the Scottish poet but I haven't got my Burns family back to the Old World yet. Cathy Brown Hicks

Dear Cathy, Would you mind submitting your pedigree on here. We too are supposed to be realated somehow to old Bobbie Burns, but I cannot find it either. I would like to view your pedigree though. Thanks, Karen Myatt ----- Original Message ----- From: Brownie57cjh@aol.com To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [BURNS] The Burns Tartan This is what I have also been told by individuals I have talked with at the Celtic Festival that a city near me has every June. I once belonged to the Campbell Clan Society. They have a webpage that could shed some light on it for you. I always felt like I had to have some Scottish or Irish blood in me because I love the sounds of the bagpipes and the celtic harps. I didn't know I was until I did my research. I have since learned that I am definately Irish and suspect the Scottish blood. Oh, by the way the Clan Campbell Society of America, if you join, will help you with your research in Scotland and Ireland. It might pay off to join and it isn't all that expensive and the festivals are so much fun. My kids love going to them and learning about their heritage. The Scottish sword dance is a sight to behold and the bagpipes send chills up and down my spine. I just love it all. According to my grandmother, my family is related to Robert Burns, the Scottish poet but I haven't got my Burns family back to the Old World yet. Cathy Brown Hicks ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 6/23/2003 4:01:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, BURNS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > X-Message: #6 > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:59:19 -0400 > From: "Carson and Betty Turner" <CoachTurner@Softhome.net> > To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <JIEJKIGLJMJKONFMJGHMOEDDEFAA.CoachTurner@Softhome.net> > Subject: RE: [BURNS] BURNS TARTAN > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > just a few comments.... > > of course (as one allied with Clan Campbell), I must defend the comment re: > the Clan Campbell being considered traitors for supporting the King of > England. "Traitor" and "Patriot" are terms that entirely depend upon your > perspective and we should remember that Gen. George Washington was a traitor > to the crown by the King's view and an American patriot by ours. IMHO - > introduction of the debate of whether the Clan Campbell is/was nongrata > persona isn't that material to discusion of whether Burns (and var sp.) > should be considered a Sept of the Clan. Even today - the opinions of many > regarding allegiance to the Clan is mixed. > > It's important to note too that the surname Campbell is one of great > frequency -- this meaning nothing more than these folks had many many > children AND they didn't change their name often, even after they migrated. > > We must remember that the clan order is much older than Mr. Robbie Burnes -- > having been in place well before the Jacobite Rebellion. We should also > remember that this system was more geographic than patronymic. It is simply > a matter that certain families were the leading families of a particular > geographic area as opposed to the idea that people all over Scotland with > the name McDonald followed a particular clan chief. Or in other words, the > McDonalds were the leading family in a certain area (as land owners, > military leaders, and employers) and therefor those who lived there were > allied to Clan McDonald. That many of these folks intermarried and created > kinship bonds goes without explaining. These Clan allegiances were > maintained by economic need as well as bonds of blood. > > In this way, many people with varying surnames might come to live within the > domain of a particular clan while we don't now consider that surname to be a > related clan sept. Let's say for example that a man named Isaac Burns (who > lived his early life in Argyl) married a woman named Katherine Stewart and > that Katherine's people were much better off than Isaac's (likely the case). > He might (probably would) decide to reside amongst and give his loyalty to > the Clan Stewart. His children would be Burns' and they would likely marry > within Clan Stewart as well. Of course, he wouldn't forget his family and > friends up in Argyl either -- he'd likely serve as a connection between the > two clans. This is just an example but, you can see how likely it is that > any person with any surname might well give allegiance to any clan -- even > the Clan Campbell. And also how allegiances between different clan families > might be built. > > Now, just as here in America -- there are certain names that we just find > with greater frequency in a certain location than in others. In Cherokee > County South Carolina, we find the surname LITTLEJOHN with incredible > frequency for a community so small. We can say truthfully that "many > Littlejohns live (and have lived) in Cherokee County. We can't say though > that "all Littlejohns are from Cherokee County" any more than we can say > that all Burns families were loyal to Clan Campbell or that all Turner > families were loyal to Clan Lamont. > > So it is with clan names and septs of clans. We can't even say that all > Campbells were loyal to Clan Campbell -- clearly some were not. And in the > example given of the clans' support of the Crown -- many were not and these > elected to give their allegiance elsewhere. > > We might argue too -- that those who decided to come to America were not as > loyal to the Clan as they were to their immediate family. Even so, many of > these folks did migrate as groups and they did maintain the same systems of > community leadership that goes on even today (ie: what we call "clanish" > communities). > > All said, if your desire is to affiliate with your own Scots heritage or to > simply affiliate with a clan because your heart is there (whether you claim > Scots heritage or not) -- then by all means explore the present clan system > and join any you wish whose requirements you meet. Some are more strict in > membership than others -- some welcome anyone. Easiest to explore are those > which are affiliated with your patronymic surname but you are not restricted > to that exploration. There are those who argue that the clan system is/was > matronymic and therefor your present surname has little bearing. Many argue > that affiliation with a clan is a matter of personal choice and has little > to do with your name at all. Of course, if your name is John Campbell and > you intend to affiliate with Clan McDonald, you may have to be prepared to > discuss the events at Glencoe in 1692 very often. > > If your motivation is simply to own and wear the plaid then consider too the > many geographic plaids out there as well. There is the United States of > America tartan as well as the American Bicentenial tartan (very attractive) > which are appropriate for all of us Americans. There are general use plaids > as well. Many people wear the Queens colors out of respect for her (Royal > Stewart) though some frown on that. Tradition holds that Hunting Stewart is > generally accepted for public wear while Royal Stewart is not. In any case, > Balmoral shouldn't be worn without permission of the Queen. It's generally > ill advised to wear a regimental plaid unless you were a member of that > regiment but keep in mind that several regimental plaids are also clan > tartans (42nd Regiment, Black Watch common plaid is a dark Campbell tartan). > > If you decide to wear a tartan to highland games or the such then be sure > you know what you are wearing and can answer questions about it. Reading > the tartan is more than the colors involved -- it has to do with the "set" - > the way the lines are woven. I would caution against wearing Clan KMart and > Clan WalMart (the plaid materials commonly sold in these stores) unless it's > simply a fashion statement. :-) > > Just a few thoughts to consider; > > C.R. Turner > desc. James Burns and Penelope Pharr > desc. Squire Bentley Campbell and Vashti Cas Queen > > > Thank you for such a clear description. I have a question. If one's father served in a regiment, is it proper to wear that tartan? Because of my upbringing, I feel a great loyalty to my father's regiment, but don't want my emotional attachment to result in disrespect. Thanks, C. Hunter Southwick

The link between the Campbell's and the Burns, Burnes, Burnett and so on is a little thin. It seems to go back to Robbie Burns who was friendly with a Campbell family. The spelling of (Robbie) Burns from Burness to Burnes was just to suit local dialects. They were all the same people. You have to remember that in the early 1800s (and even up to when I was a little kid) the Campbell's were considered traitors by the Scottish because 50% of them had fought with the English against the Scots. For the Campbell's to adopt the most famous Scot of all into their Clan would have been optimistic on their part. Robert Burns himself refuted the Campbell association. His cousin James Burns was given part of the Campbell crest (By the Campbell's) for his coat of arms. The spurious Campbell connection was later deleted and the seal of Robert Burns accentuated. It was Campbell's who claimed Burns were part of their Clan not the other way around. If you read the Campbell account of this you will see it is all very vague in this area. It would seem that a lot of Burns, Burnett, Burnes and so on lived in that area prior to all of this. One Campbell who was on the run at one time changed his name to Burnses or Burnhouse to make it hard to find him. If go to this Robert Burns site it will explain more details (with pictures) http://www.worldburnsclub.com/newsletter/0010/1000_the_myth_and_the_gentle_science.htm Chris Burns ----- Original Message ----- From: <AReyno5980@aol.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:27 AM Subject: [BURNS] BURNS TARTAN > I too think the Burns is part of the Campbell Clan and wore their tartan. I > have a map of Scotland with all the Clan and their Tartans. Listed on the back > is a directory of all Scots names and their Clan and that is exactly what it > says. Allice Burns Reynolds > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

just a few comments.... of course (as one allied with Clan Campbell), I must defend the comment re: the Clan Campbell being considered traitors for supporting the King of England. "Traitor" and "Patriot" are terms that entirely depend upon your perspective and we should remember that Gen. George Washington was a traitor to the crown by the King's view and an American patriot by ours. IMHO - introduction of the debate of whether the Clan Campbell is/was nongrata persona isn't that material to discusion of whether Burns (and var sp.) should be considered a Sept of the Clan. Even today - the opinions of many regarding allegiance to the Clan is mixed. It's important to note too that the surname Campbell is one of great frequency -- this meaning nothing more than these folks had many many children AND they didn't change their name often, even after they migrated. We must remember that the clan order is much older than Mr. Robbie Burnes -- having been in place well before the Jacobite Rebellion. We should also remember that this system was more geographic than patronymic. It is simply a matter that certain families were the leading families of a particular geographic area as opposed to the idea that people all over Scotland with the name McDonald followed a particular clan chief. Or in other words, the McDonalds were the leading family in a certain area (as land owners, military leaders, and employers) and therefor those who lived there were allied to Clan McDonald. That many of these folks intermarried and created kinship bonds goes without explaining. These Clan allegiances were maintained by economic need as well as bonds of blood. In this way, many people with varying surnames might come to live within the domain of a particular clan while we don't now consider that surname to be a related clan sept. Let's say for example that a man named Isaac Burns (who lived his early life in Argyl) married a woman named Katherine Stewart and that Katherine's people were much better off than Isaac's (likely the case). He might (probably would) decide to reside amongst and give his loyalty to the Clan Stewart. His children would be Burns' and they would likely marry within Clan Stewart as well. Of course, he wouldn't forget his family and friends up in Argyl either -- he'd likely serve as a connection between the two clans. This is just an example but, you can see how likely it is that any person with any surname might well give allegiance to any clan -- even the Clan Campbell. And also how allegiances between different clan families might be built. Now, just as here in America -- there are certain names that we just find with greater frequency in a certain location than in others. In Cherokee County South Carolina, we find the surname LITTLEJOHN with incredible frequency for a community so small. We can say truthfully that "many Littlejohns live (and have lived) in Cherokee County. We can't say though that "all Littlejohns are from Cherokee County" any more than we can say that all Burns families were loyal to Clan Campbell or that all Turner families were loyal to Clan Lamont. So it is with clan names and septs of clans. We can't even say that all Campbells were loyal to Clan Campbell -- clearly some were not. And in the example given of the clans' support of the Crown -- many were not and these elected to give their allegiance elsewhere. We might argue too -- that those who decided to come to America were not as loyal to the Clan as they were to their immediate family. Even so, many of these folks did migrate as groups and they did maintain the same systems of community leadership that goes on even today (ie: what we call "clanish" communities). All said, if your desire is to affiliate with your own Scots heritage or to simply affiliate with a clan because your heart is there (whether you claim Scots heritage or not) -- then by all means explore the present clan system and join any you wish whose requirements you meet. Some are more strict in membership than others -- some welcome anyone. Easiest to explore are those which are affiliated with your patronymic surname but you are not restricted to that exploration. There are those who argue that the clan system is/was matronymic and therefor your present surname has little bearing. Many argue that affiliation with a clan is a matter of personal choice and has little to do with your name at all. Of course, if your name is John Campbell and you intend to affiliate with Clan McDonald, you may have to be prepared to discuss the events at Glencoe in 1692 very often. If your motivation is simply to own and wear the plaid then consider too the many geographic plaids out there as well. There is the United States of America tartan as well as the American Bicentenial tartan (very attractive) which are appropriate for all of us Americans. There are general use plaids as well. Many people wear the Queens colors out of respect for her (Royal Stewart) though some frown on that. Tradition holds that Hunting Stewart is generally accepted for public wear while Royal Stewart is not. In any case, Balmoral shouldn't be worn without permission of the Queen. It's generally ill advised to wear a regimental plaid unless you were a member of that regiment but keep in mind that several regimental plaids are also clan tartans (42nd Regiment, Black Watch common plaid is a dark Campbell tartan). If you decide to wear a tartan to highland games or the such then be sure you know what you are wearing and can answer questions about it. Reading the tartan is more than the colors involved -- it has to do with the "set" - the way the lines are woven. I would caution against wearing Clan KMart and Clan WalMart (the plaid materials commonly sold in these stores) unless it's simply a fashion statement. :-) Just a few thoughts to consider; C.R. Turner desc. James Burns and Penelope Pharr desc. Squire Bentley Campbell and Vashti Cas Queen -----Original Message----- From: Chris Burns [mailto:cjburns1@optushome.com.au] Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 1:04 AM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BURNS] BURNS TARTAN The link between the Campbell's and the Burns, Burnes, Burnett and so on is a little thin. It seems to go back to Robbie Burns who was friendly with a Campbell family. The spelling of (Robbie) Burns from Burness to Burnes was just to suit local dialects. They were all the same people. You have to remember that in the early 1800s (and even up to when I was a little kid) the Campbell's were considered traitors by the Scottish because 50% of them had fought with the English against the Scots. <snip>

I have George Alexander Burns, Sr. b: Aug 17 1817 PA d: Apr 20 1896 Altamont, Labette Co. Kansas m: Adaline Florence Snider b: Jun 30 1839 Jay Co. Indiana d: May 25, 1912 Independence, Jackson Co., Mo. (only there in the hospital) m: Dec 23, 1854 Mahaska Co. Iowa, both buried in Altamont, Labette Co. Kansas. Their son Alfred Burns and his wife Hattie Angeline Denison moved to Craig County, Oklahoma (after residing in Nebraska and Wyoming for a while). Does any of this sound familiar? Hope so. Allice Burns Reynolds

I too think the Burns is part of the Campbell Clan and wore their tartan. I have a map of Scotland with all the Clan and their Tartans. Listed on the back is a directory of all Scots names and their Clan and that is exactly what it says. Allice Burns Reynolds