Shannon: I certainly hope your Aunt is right and we are related. I have my Burns line documented from George Alexander Sr. and Adaline Florence Snider (her line, I have her father Martin Snider only, mother Hannah Heston, daughter of John Heston and Elizabeth Randall - Heston line back to Zebulon Heston and Dorothy Hutchinson) down to present day on several of his children. Some family researchers believe George's parents were Eleazer Burns and Mary Stiver, but as I may have said before, I have no concrete documentation or proof that this is correct. Looking forward to making our connection, as George Alexander Burns Sr., is my brick wall. Allice Burns Reynolds

Marcia My gpa's name was Chet Aaron Burns and he had 2 brothers Frank and Aaron, one sister Laura Belle. He also had approx 3 or more 1/2 siblings. Last names are Riley, O'Connor and Harold and possibly more. Shannon Burns

I do know that plural subjects require plural verbs. Please excuse the faux pas in my original message. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Francine G. Weeks" <fifi36@comcast.net> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: [BURNS] the Irish BURNS families? > My Burns ancestors, from Boyle, County Roscommon, Ireland, were originally BEIRNE(S), which was also spelled BERNE, BEIRN & BERN back in the old country. > I can only trace this family as far back as 1812, when my great-great-grandmother, Elizabeth BEIRNE, was married at St. Joseph's Catholic Church in Boyle. > When Elizabeth's son, Robert (my great-grandfather), married Mary LYNCH in Boston, MA in 1859, her maiden name appeared on his marriage certificate as Elizabeth BURNS. From that, I'm assuming that other Irish families with the surname BEIRNE also adopted the Americanized name of BURNS. > Does anyone know anything about this? > Fran Weeks > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

My Burns ancestors, from Boyle, County Roscommon, Ireland, was originally BEIRNE, which was also spelled BERNE, BEIRN & BERN back in the old country. I can only trace this family as far back as 1812, when my great-great-grandmother, Elizabeth BEIRNE, was married at St. Joseph's Catholic Church in Boyle. When her son Robert, my great-grandfather, married Mary LYNCH in Boston, MA in 1859, Elizabeth's maiden name appeared on his marriage certificate as Elizabeth BURNS. From that, I'm assuming that other Irish families with the surname BEIRNE also adopted the Americanized name of BURNS. Does anyone know anything about this? Fran Weeks

Marilyn, No, it doesn't like like we are connected. In 1854, my John was still in Ireland. His children were Peter (born in 1847), Patrick, Bridget, Thomas, Margaret, William and their last child Patrick, (born in 1863).....all in Ireland. Tom Burns

Nancy, I'd be happy to see any info re: Thomas Burns. If you could include dates, I can make an assessment as to whether or not we have a connection. Thanks in advance, Tom Burns

Marcia, I am searching for a Martha Burns who was born possibly 1843 or there about. She was living in Pope Co. IL. or surrounding area. She married Charles McNew. They had a daughter Nancy who married Frank Thoman or Tolman or Toman. Anything sound familiar? Thanks Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcia Coan" <mrmcal@essex1.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:32 AM Subject: [BURNS] Burns family > I am somewhat confused as to how some of the Burns list mail "co-ordinates" but I have a William, b. 1814 in Ohio with a daughter Adelphine, b. in Illinois abt. 1852 (I would have to look it up for the exact date.) My William and brother John (b. 1806 in Md. or Pa.) are the only 2 Burns' I can trace back to, although I know their father was born in Ireland and mother in Maryland. The name Burns appears on documentation as Burnes prior to the brothers coming to Illinois in 1843. From what I've gathered, they appear to have come from northeastern Ohio to Ill. William went to Wisc. after the civil war, then Iowa (1870 census) then Nebraska, where he died in 1890. Wife Mary (Patchen) Burns and daughter (Adelphine) son-in-law (Arthur Gurnsey) and family, also traveled to these locations with the family, until settling in Neb. (Abt. 1872.) > WIlliam and Mary had one son, Charles, b. 1846, who remained in Iowa throughout his lifetime (Franklin County and surrounding area.) > Williams brother, John, remained in Kane County, Illinois throughout his lifetime and had 11 children (I have all names, dates documented.) > Any links to this family? If so, I would love to hear from you. I would like to make a connection to John and William's mother and father. > Thanks, > Marcia > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Yvonne, The children of John were Robert C. (by first wife) then Miranda, William (died at 8 years) Helen, John A. Clara, David H. George W., Warren, Oscar and Ida. The most coincidental name, of course, is the first son Robert. I can't remember if the Scots named their first son after the husband's or wife's father and I don't know anything about Mary Bailey's family (first wife.) Incidentally, the dad John's middlle initial was B--we've found nothing that says what it stands for. His brother William's middle initial was C. Also, Shannon, I did find a Frank in the family, son of John Alexander Burns (son of the above John.) John's wife was Eva Ellen VanVleet Burns b. 1852 in Hampshire, Il., d. 1935. She is buried in Superior, Wi. John A. died in 1911 in Iowa . Their children were Warren James, Charley Oscar, Frank H. (b. 1877 in Ill., married Lottie (no addt'l info., ) Benjamin and Clifford James Burns. I hope someone makes some contacts and/or discoveries today. Good to see lots of info. being passed back and forth. Marcia

Marcia, this is coincidental. My William Burns was a member of the Muddy Run Presbyterian Church!! Some of my William's children's names are: Harriet Robert Daniel Henry Walter Elizabeth Miller Clarkson L. (probably named for the minister) Are any of these repeted in your family? Yvonne

Marica, I just got an e-mail from my cousin. She came a cross a David and Hannah Burns with the names James and John in them. In the 1830 census and they are in the NH , Mass Ruth

Shannon, Is your grandfather's first name Frank? I don't recall any "Frank" in the family but that's not to say there wasn't. I can send you the names of John Burns' children, if you'd like. Fortunately (in a way) not too many of his sons had sons, that I know of, which makes them easier to eliminate as prospective ancestors. John was married twice, first to Mary Bailey (Ohio 1832 or 34) they had one son Robert, Mary died and John married Elizabeth Weed--they had the slew of kids, all born in Illinois except Miranda and William (who died when he was 8 years old.). Marcia ----- Original Message ----- From: sweetz3173@aol.com To: mrmcal@essex1.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Burns family This sounds like the same family I responded to to before. I knew some of the names sound right in that e-mail however there were only 5 names I think listed. I knew that there were several children from different wives or mothers. My problem is I can not get past my grandfather as far as documentation is concerned, which would link to exact names and dates. I just have verbal info from what I have been told. Do you have any info coming back this way?

I need help, if anyone has any information on this following family it would be helpful. This is what I have with the dates and it seems to come to a complete end. Joseph Burns married Elizabeth Lawarnce (sp?) -----son: Fred Burns b. 6/01/1884 South Dakota -----son: Edward Burns b. 10/30/1882 South Dakota -----son: Joseph Burns b. 7/10/1891 South Dakota Fred is my GGrandfather and I found his two brothers in the 1930 Census. But other than that that is all I've been able to locate. I do have some info on Fred and his children so if you need this let me know. Hope to hear from you soon. Todd Burns burnzey@netzero.net

Marcia, My g.grand dad was William James White. He came over to the Nova Scotia and then to Calf, and ended up in Maine. He came from Northern Ireland. His father was Robert White and mother was Eliza Lucas White. Could you have this White? I have more. Ruth White Mesarch RuthMesarch@Juno.Com

Ruth I hear you on that!! Thanx Shannon Burns

This is some of the information that I have.. Thomas Burns march 1873 died 1916 Thomas Burns May 20, 1938 died 11-21-1999 I have the parents to these Thomas Burns as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: JBattle508@aol.com To: bblnlmc@tds.net Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 8:55 PM Subject: Tom Burns Do you have Thomas Alvin Burns? This Tom graduated HS in Albany, GA in 1957 and joined the Navy. John Battle

Shannon, Quite alright. We have all I am sure done the same thing. HA!!! I know I have. Maybe one of these's days I will make a mistake and that is the one where the brick wall is down. Ruth

How strange, the first part of your post sure sounds like my elusive William, but obviously cannot be. My William was b. 2-12-1808 in Maryland. His father was from Ireland, and mother from Maryland, per the census information, though I do not have their names. My William lived in Lancaster Co. Pa., and d. 12-10-1870. How remarkable that they have the same background and time span. Good luck with yours. Yvonne

Yvonne, I often wonder, when I see so many similarities in families, if we all aren't related in som eway, through brothers or siblings of our yet to be traced ancestors. Coincidences are to be expected but some of the similarities seem down right eerie! Perhaps your William and my William are cousins! The only clue that might separate our families would be religeon. My Burns' were Protestant, undoubtedly went to Ireland in the 1600's or early 1700's from Scotland. All the more difficult to trace! How about yours? Marcia

I am somewhat confused as to how some of the Burns list mail "co-ordinates" but I have a William, b. 1814 in Ohio with a daughter Adelphine, b. in Illinois abt. 1852 (I would have to look it up for the exact date.) My William and brother John (b. 1806 in Md. or Pa.) are the only 2 Burns' I can trace back to, although I know their father was born in Ireland and mother in Maryland. The name Burns appears on documentation as Burnes prior to the brothers coming to Illinois in 1843. From what I've gathered, they appear to have come from northeastern Ohio to Ill. William went to Wisc. after the civil war, then Iowa (1870 census) then Nebraska, where he died in 1890. Wife Mary (Patchen) Burns and daughter (Adelphine) son-in-law (Arthur Gurnsey) and family, also traveled to these locations with the family, until settling in Neb. (Abt. 1872.) WIlliam and Mary had one son, Charles, b. 1846, who remained in Iowa throughout his lifetime (Franklin County and surrounding area.) Williams brother, John, remained in Kane County, Illinois throughout his lifetime and had 11 children (I have all names, dates documented.) Any links to this family? If so, I would love to hear from you. I would like to make a connection to John and William's mother and father. Thanks, Marcia

Do you have the decendants of that Frank? Who he married and any children? My ?GGGpa Frank had 8 or 9 brothers and sisters from 3 marriages. I believe it goes in this order: my gpa Chet Aaron Burns, bro Frank, bro Aaron, sis Laura Bell, ggpa Frank and ggma Lillian May (Mae) (She had a sister named Pearl or Opal?) maiden Riley or Connor??? gggpa Frank. Past ggpa Frank is purely guessing from info provided to me. GGGpa could be Thomas or William. Both names are in the family but in what order I do not know. Shannon Burns