Stacey, Have you all tried the social security death index? I generally check it out on familysearch.org. It may help you to at least narrow it down! Blessings, I hope your sister can find what she is looking for! Karen Myatt... a descendent of Blakely Burns and Lucy Moon, William Burns and Julliette Belote, Emory Burns and Mary Malinda Grim Burns, Lizzie Burns and William Herbst and Dorothy Burns Herbst and Charles Hess http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true<http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true> ----- Original Message ----- From: Shadoe<mailto:shadoe_rose@yahoo.com> To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: [BURNS] John L. Burns Hello all, I am just posting this info in the event someone new has joined and may be connected. I am looking for ANY info on my sister's father, John Lonnie Burns. We know he was born sometime between 1925-1935. At the time, he was with out mother, he lived in Colorado. Either Denver or Colorado Springs. He was imprisoned in 1954 for either grand theft or robbery though we are not sure exactly when, but our mother visited him in prison when she was pregnant with my sister who was born in December of that year. My sister says the last she had heard was that he was living in Wichita Kansas and had a family. That is about all the info we have on him. My sister is supposed to send for a copy of her birth certificate to see if there is any more info on him, but she tends to take quite awhile to do things. Would love any information that anyone might be able to uncover.. Stacey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail<http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail> ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>

Hello all, I am just posting this info in the event someone new has joined and may be connected. I am looking for ANY info on my sister's father, John Lonnie Burns. We know he was born sometime between 1925-1935. At the time, he was with out mother, he lived in Colorado. Either Denver or Colorado Springs. He was imprisoned in 1954 for either grand theft or robbery though we are not sure exactly when, but our mother visited him in prison when she was pregnant with my sister who was born in December of that year. My sister says the last she had heard was that he was living in Wichita Kansas and had a family. That is about all the info we have on him. My sister is supposed to send for a copy of her birth certificate to see if there is any more info on him, but she tends to take quite awhile to do things. Would love any information that anyone might be able to uncover.. Stacey __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

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Twelve markers are only a starting point, a call to refine the test. We can be sure if two BURNS samples have 37 markers that match that they *probably* share a common ancestor and they need to take a hard look at their histories. The DNA study compliments researched genealogy - it can not replace it. Jackie Ashley PACE, Harris County, TX

Trying to find info on this family can anyone help me. Samuel Burns b Oct 15, 1815 p. Pennsylvania d. Dec 7, 1868 p Probley Illinois married Nancy F. Lantz b. Jan 3, 1819 p Pennsylvania d. Aft. 1887 p. ?????? Children Catherine Burns David Burns Jacob F. Burns Jonas H. Burns Samuel Lorenzo Burns ( probley a Jr. ) Sara Mahala Burns Jesse Burns Can anyone tell me any thing about these children (or) the parents. Thanks for sny Help . Izetta

I'm still hoping to find someone with a Burns-Troy connection, probably through an Irish-Scottish marriage that led eventually to New York, Brooklyn and/or the Bronx. Any knowledge at all of a Burns connection in the same areas would be very welcome. Maureen (Harrington) Carter ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I think that Del and Dot (Burns) Spencer, in Colorado do make a very excellent point. I wonder, however, why having the surname Burns doesn't help increase the odds. Obviously having an adoption in the line would do it in, what else, though? Maureen Harrington (my Burns side) Carter From Massachusetts -----Original Message----- From: dspencer [mailto:dspencer@bresnan.net] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 1:12 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BURNS] Re: Burns DNA My wife is a Burns, so we are interested in that line. If you are tracing a David Burns/Margaret Franks line from Grant County, KY, please contact us. As to your DNA project, may I share a little personal experience about the DNA tests. I am registered with the Spencer DNA group in Family Tree (FT) DNA. I have had the original 12 marker test, and was told that I had three perfect matches. However when I contacted the two that had e-mail, we were not able to match up on anything. Then I re-read the information from FT DNA, and found out why. When we have a "perfect match", it only means that within 14.5 generations there is a 50% chance of a perfect match. Likewise if we go back 48 generations there is a 90% chance of a perfect match, or 62.4 generations to get a 95% chance. >From me to my earliest known Spencer, is only seven generations. Somewhere in the next seven generations is the 50% chance of a "perfect match", etc. How many of us can go back 48 generations, or 62.4 generations ? So my Spencer family history is "matched" to mine IF we can go back enough generations, which I doubt many can, unless they are royalty. Look how many of us get stalled at less than seven generations. DNA from a genealogical standpoint is mute in most cases, as I see it. The use of DNA to match one person to another in a criminal case or one on one is good technology, but not of much use for the average genealogist. The DNA labs say the chances improve IF you have the more expensive tests, but still no guarantee that the findings will help. Del and Dot (Burns) Spencer, in Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma R Farmilo" <norma@naples.net> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Burns DNA > I'm now the Administrator for the Family Tree Burns DNA Project. The test is so easy - just swab the inside of your cheek. The 12 Marker test is good for genealogy purposes only. It will tell within 14 generations if you are related. This is the next step in proving your research and pointing you in the right direction. Please join us. Write to me, Norma Burns Farmilo norma@naples.net > > ______________________________ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

My wife is a Burns, so we are interested in that line. If you are tracing a David Burns/Margaret Franks line from Grant County, KY, please contact us. As to your DNA project, may I share a little personal experience about the DNA tests. I am registered with the Spencer DNA group in Family Tree (FT) DNA. I have had the original 12 marker test, and was told that I had three perfect matches. However when I contacted the two that had e-mail, we were not able to match up on anything. Then I re-read the information from FT DNA, and found out why. When we have a "perfect match", it only means that within 14.5 generations there is a 50% chance of a perfect match. Likewise if we go back 48 generations there is a 90% chance of a perfect match, or 62.4 generations to get a 95% chance. From me to my earliest known Spencer, is only seven generations. Somewhere in the next seven generations is the 50% chance of a "perfect match", etc. How many of us can go back 48 generations, or 62.4 generations ? So my Spencer family history is "matched" to mine IF we can go back enough generations, which I doubt many can, unless they are royalty. Look how many of us get stalled at less than seven generations. DNA from a genealogical standpoint is mute in most cases, as I see it. The use of DNA to match one person to another in a criminal case or one on one is good technology, but not of much use for the average genealogist. The DNA labs say the chances improve IF you have the more expensive tests, but still no guarantee that the findings will help. Del and Dot (Burns) Spencer, in Colorado ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma R Farmilo" <norma@naples.net> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Burns DNA > I'm now the Administrator for the Family Tree Burns DNA Project. The test is so easy - just swab the inside of your cheek. The 12 Marker test is good for genealogy purposes only. It will tell within 14 generations if you are related. This is the next step in proving your research and pointing you in the right direction. Please join us. Write to me, Norma Burns Farmilo norma@naples.net > > ______________________________

Could you tell me more, Id be interested for a variety of reasons. My ggrandmother was a Burns, she died at 30, in PA, but may have been from NY, thats all anyone knows, there insent even a marker on her grave, in common ground at a Catholic cemetery in Erie Pa, I know her first name thats it,Anna. Id try anything. Linda ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the TBSWebMail system at mail.worldconnx.net

I am interested in following the results of this project. Where will you be posting the results? Are there any Burns participants from the south Georgia/north Florida area? Unfortunately, I know of no male Burns from my line, or I would get thrm to participate. Please see what the Overstreet project has done to help researchers with their lines and consider a similar setup. No need to reveal participants, just the lines they represent. http://www.overstreetdna.com/Y-DNA%20COMPARISONS.htm Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 6:58 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BURNS] Burns DNA I'm now the Administrator for the Family Tree Burns DNA Project. The test is so easy - just swab the inside of your cheek. The 12 Marker test is good for genealogy purposes only. It will tell within 14 generations if you are related. This is the next step in proving your research and pointing you in the right direction. Please join us. Write to me, Norma Burns Farmilo norma@naples.net ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

In a message dated 8/28/04 6:56:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, norma@naples.net writes: > I'm now the Administrator for the Family Tree Burns DNA Project. The test > is so easy - just swab the inside of your cheek. The 12 Marker test is good > for genealogy purposes only. It will tell within 14 generations if you are > related. This is the next step in proving your research and pointing you in > the right direction. Please join us. Write to me, Norma Burns Farmilo > norma@naples.net > > let me just add that my father participated in the DNA project for another surname. for the money, the 25 marker test is much better - gives you much tighter results. i'm even considering the extra money to go to the 37 marker. this is a project well worth the money. Leigh C. Smith http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4730/index.html

Please give me more information on how much it costs. My mother was a Burns. Sue Myers Sue8526@bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:58 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BURNS] Burns DNA I'm now the Administrator for the Family Tree Burns DNA Project. The test is so easy - just swab the inside of your cheek. The 12 Marker test is good for genealogy purposes only. It will tell within 14 generations if you are related. This is the next step in proving your research and pointing you in the right direction. Please join us. Write to me, Norma Burns Farmilo norma@naples.net ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I'm now the Administrator for the Family Tree Burns DNA Project. The test is so easy - just swab the inside of your cheek. The 12 Marker test is good for genealogy purposes only. It will tell within 14 generations if you are related. This is the next step in proving your research and pointing you in the right direction. Please join us. Write to me, Norma Burns Farmilo norma@naples.net

Still trying to connect Samuel to my gr gr grandmother Annis (Burns) POLLARD of Jericho/Underhill area of VT. Did Samuel & Desiah (Desire) have any other children other than the 2 listed below? David b 1787 in Francestown, NH d 1864 in Essex, VT Samuel b. 1794/5 in NH d. 1883 in Barre, VT They seem to have same parents tho different spellings. Have also found a "possible" connection of the Jericho BURNS to the BLACKMORE's of that area. If anyone has any info it would be greatly appreciated. TIA, Dot

A word of advice: go for 25 markers or 37 marker test from the start. If you match with any other BURNS, you will want to have at least 13 more marker tested. The 12 marker is $99, 25 marker is $169; if you break your study into 2 tests, it is $99 + $99. Once your sample is on file at www.familytreedna.com, you can order more specific tests (as your budget allows), including your mom's line, the mtDNA. And one man's sample covers the BURNS DNA for his kids, his siblings, his BURNS cousins and aunts & uncles. Several family member might want to pool their money if the expense is a problem, since the results covers them all. I wish I could find one of my husband's BURNS kin, one I *knew* for sure was kin, and was a male and carried the BURNS surname, so he could be tested. But, alas, I will have to watch from the sidelines... Jackie Ashley PACE, Harris County, TX http://www.ashley-pace.com ASHLEY DNA Study: <http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A34835&special=true> ASHLEY Family Historical Society <http://www.afhs.vze.com/>

And "it will tell within 14 generations if you are related". Does that mean related to one of twelve groups? What happens to the names of related people? Thanks. Laurel Burns -----Original Message----- From: sue8526@bellsouth.net [mailto:sue8526@bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 3:07 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BURNS] Burns DNA Please give me more information on how much it costs. My mother was a Burns. Sue Myers Sue8526@bellsouth.net -----Original Message----- From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 5:58 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BURNS] Burns DNA I'm now the Administrator for the Family Tree Burns DNA Project. The test is so easy - just swab the inside of your cheek. The 12 Marker test is good for genealogy purposes only. It will tell within 14 generations if you are related. This is the next step in proving your research and pointing you in the right direction. Please join us. Write to me, Norma Burns Farmilo norma@naples.net ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

My Burns Ancestors were in Eastern KY. If anyone has any info on the descendants of these folks, I would love to know. William Burns - dates unknown m. Nancy Chandler William Burns b. 1798 NC m. Rachel Asher in Clay Co. KY Zilphia Burns b. 12/24/1838, KY d. 2/1/1915 m. abt. 1869 - Owsley Co., KY to Julius Hacker Rachel Hacker m. Elisha Wilson Mary Wilson m. Ray Murphy Calvin Murphy m. Margaret Skirvin Crystal Murphy (me)

As far as I know at this point, my Burns ancestry was primarily in North Carolina and Eastern Kentucky. We think they came to America from Scotland or Northern Ireland. Beyond that, we are still doing lots of guessing! Good luck with your continued search. This is not an easy name to trace! Pamela

Jackie, Elizabeth and William are given names that show up in my Burns ancestry. The information I have collected to date indicates that early settlement of our Burns relatives was in the Carolinas, then in Eastern Kentucky. One of Malinda's children (Carlo, we think, settled in the Big Stone Gap area of Virginia. Her daughter Katherine married a John Celley/Seely (not sure of spelling)and moved to Wyandotte, Michigan. We are reasonably sure they came to the United States from Scotland or northern Ireland. Beyond that, we are still doing lots of guessing! Good luck with your continued search. Pamela

Bill in Fresno, This is Donna in Kingsburg, just wanted to say hi and where do you go to do most of your research in our area? I'm looking for a Henry Burns born in Ireland approx. 1824, married Mary Anne Johnston or Johnson who was born 1831 in Ireland. They were married Oct 1853 in trinity church New York. All children born in New York. Children Fanny burns DOB 28 Sep 1854 twin to Sarah Jane DOB 28 Sep 1854 George Henry Burns DOB 8 Feb 1857 Isabella Burns DOB 22 Jul 1859 James Thomas Burns DOB 14 Nov 1861 Robert Edward Burns 24 Oct 1864 a girl DOB 9 Oct 1866 Mary Anne Burns DOB 7 Feb I need to find Henry's family in Ireland. If this looks familiar to anyone please let me know DONNADonnalynn00@aol.com Donna in Kingsburg, CA