Opps got my answer as I read on. Thanks

I'd like more info on it. Cost? Donna Burns Green

Anna Burns Doyle 1856-1884. Married to James Doyle 1849-1915. Children Loretta, William, James, anne and John. Buried in common ground in Trinity ccemetery, Erie Pa. thank You lindadougan47@worldconnx.net Thank You

Researching Anna Burns Doyle. Born in 1856 in ( Listed in different areas} Canada or NY. Died in Feb of 1884. Married to James Doyle, born in Ireland. She was 28 at the time of her death, She is buried in common ground in Trinity Cemetery Erie Pa. She had six children, John her oldest and william her youngest, then James Junior, mary and Loretta.and Anne. In 1880, Anna and James lived on Newman St, in Erie Pa. Anna was a houskeeper for a famly named Odem. Thank You Linda. Im at lindadougan47@worldconnx.net

For those of you following the DNA studies... Phrase for the Day: "Umbilical Line" You can test the mtDNA of females and the female lineage of males (HVR1). The line tracked is on the right-outermost branch, and I just learned (thank you Ken KELLER!) it is called the *Umbilical Line*. Jackie Ashley PACE, Harris County, TX http://www.ashley-pace.com ASHLEY DNA Study: <http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A34835&special=true> ASHLEY Family Historical Society <http://www.afhs.vze.com/>

Michele: My great grandfather was also a Patrick Joseph Burns born in either Pennsylvania or New York State. Sue Myers -----Original Message----- From: IrishMist1954@aol.com [mailto:IrishMist1954@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:56 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BURNS] Re: BURNS-D Digest V04 #51 I guess I too don't understand this DNA thing. I can see testing through the male line. If there was a male in each generation. But testing through the female line would eventually lead you to a male. Correct? My gr. grandfather was Patrick Burns. the only male born to him never married or fathered any chidren. The remaining children of Patrick Burns were four girls. One of which was my grandmother. So you see it is maternal for me at least back to Patrick. Michele Finneran Williams ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I guess I too don't understand this DNA thing. I can see testing through the male line. If there was a male in each generation. But testing through the female line would eventually lead you to a male. Correct? My gr. grandfather was Patrick Burns. the only male born to him never married or fathered any chidren. The remaining children of Patrick Burns were four girls. One of which was my grandmother. So you see it is maternal for me at least back to Patrick. Michele Finneran Williams

Michele, Go to http://www.familytreedna.com/tutorial_A.html. After I have read this a half dozen times, if is finally sinking in! Good luck, Jackie Ashley PACE, Harris County, TX -----Original Message----- From: IrishMist1954@aol.com [mailto:IrishMist1954@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:56 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BURNS] Re: BURNS-D Digest V04 #51 I guess I too don't understand this DNA thing. I can see testing through the male line. If there was a male in each generation. But testing through the female line would eventually lead you to a male. Correct? My gr. grandfather was Patrick Burns. the only male born to him never married or fathered any chidren. The remaining children of Patrick Burns were four girls. One of which was my grandmother. So you see it is maternal for me at least back to Patrick. Michele Finneran Williams ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

It looks to be only 5 people have joined so far, and I don't think any have been reported yet. When the reports start to come in, FTDNA give the administrator a page to post them, and their lines (if desired). Norma, is all the DNA data still out? Bet you need more male BURNS/BURNES to join @ http://www.ftdna.com/public/burns ! ttyl, Jackie PACE -----Original Message----- From: Traceroots [mailto:traceroots@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:36 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BURNS] RE: BURNS-D Digest V04 #51 Has anyone contributed paternal DNA of the John Burns family from SC and Marshall Co. TN who married lastly Mary E. Cunningham? Anyone on this thread from that particular line? Brenda Burns Kellow > _____________________________________________ > From: BURNS-D-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:BURNS-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:00 PM > To: BURNS-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: BURNS-D Digest V04 #51 > > << Message: ATT00072.eml (507 bytes) >> << Message: [BURNS] Burns DNA > (2.11 KB) >> << Message: [BURNS] Burns DNA (3.02 KB) >> << Message: > [BURNS] maternal DNA (2.99 KB) >> ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi, I keep getting Warning Message of "Unsafe Attachment" when trying to open these messages. Can you tell me how to make them safe? Thank you, Mickey Burns ----- Original Message ----- From: <BURNS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <BURNS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 11:00 AM Subject: BURNS-D Digest V04 #51

Has anyone contributed paternal DNA of the John Burns family from SC and Marshall Co. TN who married lastly Mary E. Cunningham? Anyone on this thread from that particular line? Brenda Burns Kellow > _____________________________________________ > From: BURNS-D-request@rootsweb.com > [mailto:BURNS-D-request@rootsweb.com] > Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:00 PM > To: BURNS-D@rootsweb.com > Subject: BURNS-D Digest V04 #51 > > << Message: ATT00072.eml (507 bytes) >> << Message: [BURNS] Burns DNA > (2.11 KB) >> << Message: [BURNS] Burns DNA (3.02 KB) >> << Message: > [BURNS] maternal DNA (2.99 KB) >>

Norma, I think one type of test (mDNA?) tests for the female line, but I believe this test also might work with respect to a son at the end (the modern end) of the line. I think this test presents more practical challenges, because it has to be followed through with suspected genetic links, as opposed to working "backwards" off a paternally-based family name (such as "Burns"). If I understand correctly, the Burns test being offered is just for the paternal (Burns) line, and so would work only for males with a Burns father, and following back through an unbroken Burns paternal line. It is important not to read too much, or too little, into DNA tests, even for people eligible for the study. I don't know about Family Tree DNA, but some of the companies coordinating the tests seem, IMHO, to hype them up at least a little too much and to suggest that they generally reveal more than what they really do. But they can be a great tool, used together with the rest of the genealogical arsenal. Dave Kearney ----- Original Message ----- From: Norma R Farmilo To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA Hi Carolyn, To the first question, yes, it has to be the male line for this study. The study is just beginning so there are a lot of questions and no answers yet. Go to: http://www.ftdna.com/public/burns The goals there are my goals. They can be added to. Have you checked my website? http://www.angelfire.com/nf/burnscharles/index.html There is a way of testing through the female line. This, too, must be a straight female line. How far back are you in your Burns line. I'll help you if I can. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <Csroberts8@cs.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > Norma, > > Does it have to be a male Burns to have the DNA test. If I am born a Burns my > DNA want work? Is that how I understand this works? > > How do I get more information on this test and what is the results? If no > other family member has done a DNA a test what does that mean for my test? > > Carolyn Sue > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ______________________________

David, My husband is a PACE; his mother was a BURNS. I have just made an add-on order (for $215) to have his maternal mtDNA done. But it won't give any BURNS info. His mother was a BURNS; her mother was a LOONEY; her mother was a CRISEL..on and on to the outer female ancestor on his tree. If it goes back to an Indian grandmother, that will be fine. But I don't expect that line to do that (though his BURNS grandmother had an Indian BURNS grandmother). I expect the line to track back to Germany. This is a test cause I want to see just what the maternal DNA really does show. I will let you all know! Jackie Ashley PACE, Administrator ASHLEY DNA Study: <http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A34835&special=true> -----Original Message----- From: David Kearney [mailto:kearneyd@erols.com] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 12:29 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA Norma, I think one type of test (mDNA?) tests for the female line, but I believe this test also might work with respect to a son at the end (the modern end) of the line. I think this test presents more practical challenges, because it has to be followed through with suspected genetic links, as opposed to working "backwards" off a paternally-based family name (such as "Burns"). If I understand correctly, the Burns test being offered is just for the paternal (Burns) line, and so would work only for males with a Burns father, and following back through an unbroken Burns paternal line. It is important not to read too much, or too little, into DNA tests, even for people eligible for the study. I don't know about Family Tree DNA, but some of the companies coordinating the tests seem, IMHO, to hype them up at least a little too much and to suggest that they generally reveal more than what they really do. But they can be a great tool, used together with the rest of the genealogical arsenal. Dave Kearney ----- Original Message ----- From: Norma R Farmilo To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA Hi Carolyn, To the first question, yes, it has to be the male line for this study. The study is just beginning so there are a lot of questions and no answers yet. Go to: http://www.ftdna.com/public/burns The goals there are my goals. They can be added to. Have you checked my website? http://www.angelfire.com/nf/burnscharles/index.html There is a way of testing through the female line. This, too, must be a straight female line. How far back are you in your Burns line. I'll help you if I can. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <Csroberts8@cs.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > Norma, > > Does it have to be a male Burns to have the DNA test. If I am born a Burns my > DNA want work? Is that how I understand this works? > > How do I get more information on this test and what is the results? If no > other family member has done a DNA a test what does that mean for my test? > > Carolyn Sue > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ______________________________ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

It might work but is not recommended. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <sue8526@bellsouth.net> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 8:28 AM Subject: RE: [BURNS] Burns DNA > Thanks. No brothers and my two male cousins who think I am the black sheep > and live way across the country and I am not in contact with them only have > the Burns through their mother (my great aunt) who is dead. Confusing isn't > it? I have a son, but would he have enough Burns in him? How much does it > cost? > > Sue > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 7:06 AM > To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > > Don't you have a brother or male cousins? If so, talk them into doing the > study. > > I'm paying for someone's kit. Sometimes it takes that. > > Norma > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <sue8526@bellsouth.net> > To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:45 PM > Subject: RE: [BURNS] Burns DNA > > > > Norma: My mother was a Burns through her father and his father. > > > > What can I do. > > > > Sue Myers > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:54 PM > > To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > > > > Hi Carolyn, > > > > To the first question, yes, it has to be the male line for this study. > > > > The study is just beginning so there are a lot of questions and no answers > > yet. Go to: http://www.ftdna.com/public/burns > > > > The goals there are my goals. They can be added to. Have you checked my > > website? http://www.angelfire.com/nf/burnscharles/index.html > > > > > > There is a way of testing through the female line. This, too, must be a > > straight female line. > > > > How far back are you in your Burns line. I'll help you if I can. > > > > Norma > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Csroberts8@cs.com> > > To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > > > > > > > Norma, > > > > > > Does it have to be a male Burns to have the DNA test. If I am born a > Burns > > my > > > DNA want work? Is that how I understand this works? > > > > > > How do I get more information on this test and what is the results? If > no > > > other family member has done a DNA a test what does that mean for my > test? > > > > > > Carolyn Sue > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thanks. No brothers and my two male cousins who think I am the black sheep and live way across the country and I am not in contact with them only have the Burns through their mother (my great aunt) who is dead. Confusing isn't it? I have a son, but would he have enough Burns in him? How much does it cost? Sue -----Original Message----- From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 7:06 AM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA Don't you have a brother or male cousins? If so, talk them into doing the study. I'm paying for someone's kit. Sometimes it takes that. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <sue8526@bellsouth.net> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: RE: [BURNS] Burns DNA > Norma: My mother was a Burns through her father and his father. > > What can I do. > > Sue Myers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:54 PM > To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > > Hi Carolyn, > > To the first question, yes, it has to be the male line for this study. > > The study is just beginning so there are a lot of questions and no answers > yet. Go to: http://www.ftdna.com/public/burns > > The goals there are my goals. They can be added to. Have you checked my > website? http://www.angelfire.com/nf/burnscharles/index.html > > > There is a way of testing through the female line. This, too, must be a > straight female line. > > How far back are you in your Burns line. I'll help you if I can. > > Norma > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Csroberts8@cs.com> > To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > > > > Norma, > > > > Does it have to be a male Burns to have the DNA test. If I am born a Burns > my > > DNA want work? Is that how I understand this works? > > > > How do I get more information on this test and what is the results? If no > > other family member has done a DNA a test what does that mean for my test? > > > > Carolyn Sue > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Don't you have a brother or male cousins? If so, talk them into doing the study. I'm paying for someone's kit. Sometimes it takes that. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <sue8526@bellsouth.net> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: RE: [BURNS] Burns DNA > Norma: My mother was a Burns through her father and his father. > > What can I do. > > Sue Myers > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:54 PM > To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > > Hi Carolyn, > > To the first question, yes, it has to be the male line for this study. > > The study is just beginning so there are a lot of questions and no answers > yet. Go to: http://www.ftdna.com/public/burns > > The goals there are my goals. They can be added to. Have you checked my > website? http://www.angelfire.com/nf/burnscharles/index.html > > > There is a way of testing through the female line. This, too, must be a > straight female line. > > How far back are you in your Burns line. I'll help you if I can. > > Norma > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Csroberts8@cs.com> > To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:14 AM > Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > > > > Norma, > > > > Does it have to be a male Burns to have the DNA test. If I am born a Burns > my > > DNA want work? Is that how I understand this works? > > > > How do I get more information on this test and what is the results? If no > > other family member has done a DNA a test what does that mean for my test? > > > > Carolyn Sue > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ >

Norma: My mother was a Burns through her father and his father. What can I do. Sue Myers -----Original Message----- From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:54 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA Hi Carolyn, To the first question, yes, it has to be the male line for this study. The study is just beginning so there are a lot of questions and no answers yet. Go to: http://www.ftdna.com/public/burns The goals there are my goals. They can be added to. Have you checked my website? http://www.angelfire.com/nf/burnscharles/index.html There is a way of testing through the female line. This, too, must be a straight female line. How far back are you in your Burns line. I'll help you if I can. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <Csroberts8@cs.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > Norma, > > Does it have to be a male Burns to have the DNA test. If I am born a Burns my > DNA want work? Is that how I understand this works? > > How do I get more information on this test and what is the results? If no > other family member has done a DNA a test what does that mean for my test? > > Carolyn Sue > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Carolyn, To the first question, yes, it has to be the male line for this study. The study is just beginning so there are a lot of questions and no answers yet. Go to: http://www.ftdna.com/public/burns The goals there are my goals. They can be added to. Have you checked my website? http://www.angelfire.com/nf/burnscharles/index.html There is a way of testing through the female line. This, too, must be a straight female line. How far back are you in your Burns line. I'll help you if I can. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <Csroberts8@cs.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > Norma, > > Does it have to be a male Burns to have the DNA test. If I am born a Burns my > DNA want work? Is that how I understand this works? > > How do I get more information on this test and what is the results? If no > other family member has done a DNA a test what does that mean for my test? > > Carolyn Sue > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Carolyn, If you have a brother, or a BURNS cousin or uncle who shares the same BURNS ancestor, their DNA would be yours also. Females don't have the male Y chromosome (biological fact). We are going to have to depend on finding a BURNS 2nd cousin to know the DNA for my husband's line. Now, all we have to do is find that male (I have several females, and they won't work) Jackie Ashley PACE, Harris County, TX ASHLEY DNA Study: <http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=A34835&special=true> -----Original Message----- From: Norma R Farmilo [mailto:norma@naples.net] Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 12:54 PM To: BURNS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA Hi Carolyn, To the first question, yes, it has to be the male line for this study. The study is just beginning so there are a lot of questions and no answers yet. Go to: http://www.ftdna.com/public/burns The goals there are my goals. They can be added to. Have you checked my website? http://www.angelfire.com/nf/burnscharles/index.html There is a way of testing through the female line. This, too, must be a straight female line. How far back are you in your Burns line. I'll help you if I can. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <Csroberts8@cs.com> To: <BURNS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [BURNS] Burns DNA > Norma, > > Does it have to be a male Burns to have the DNA test. If I am born a Burns my > DNA want work? Is that how I understand this works? > > How do I get more information on this test and what is the results? If no > other family member has done a DNA a test what does that mean for my test? > > Carolyn Sue > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Norma, Does it have to be a male Burns to have the DNA test. If I am born a Burns my DNA want work? Is that how I understand this works? How do I get more information on this test and what is the results? If no other family member has done a DNA a test what does that mean for my test? Carolyn Sue