Hi all: Once again, I need to express my gratitude to Bette Bunker Richards for the very helpful hint. The engineer in me had to take the web site for a quick test drive. I used William Clair (14th Illinois Cavalry), brother-in-law of Hiram F. Bunker as a test case. There he was. Just for chuckles, I decided to look at the entire roster of the 14th Illinois Cavalry. I found a man named John Bardin. William B. Clair's wife was Caroline Bardin. Then I went looking for Bardin's in the 92nd Illinois Infantry - the unit in which Hiram Bunker, Hollis Bunker, and Davis B. CLair served. And I found a Collin Bardin. My guess - Collina Bardin & John Bardin are Caroline Bardin's brothers! Another string on which to tug. The trail of the Bardin's has been most elusive. Bette, once again thank you!!! Best regards H.A. Kippenhan, Jr. _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com