Dear All, Our own records (publication pg 25) show the date and place of marriage of George and ELIZABETH GODFREY. The source given is "Maulden Vital Record." The Probate Records of Essex Co, MA; Records & Files of Quarterly Court of Essex Co, MA at Salem 2:98 are given as the source for the name JANE for George's widow (also in our publication). I believe it was an F. Hallowell who gave the names THOMAS GODFREY and ELIZABETH MEAD or ELIZABETH TURNER as her (Elizabeth's) parents, and that was in 1991, back in the days of BBS. I wrote requesting a source but was never answered. Virginia Kane (1994 sent the date of birth as May 1626, but no parents. Our publication speculates either that Elizabeth died in England or on the trip over; that George married Jane either in England or Massachusetts, OR that Elizabeth and Jane were the same woman. It is interesting that George's first child was named Elizabeth, but that none of his daughters born in MA were named Jane. Mary-Gene Bette Richards wrote: > > Pamela Briggs sent me this. She sent more about the Swains but it didn't > mention Bunkers. I thought the part about (Date of marriage from Family > Search May 5, 1644, Malden, England) was quite interesting. I'm looking at > that record and it clearly says Elizabeth. I don't see any Jane's on it > anywhere for 1644. Evidently, someone went and looked at the record and saw > Jane. Or maybe it means that the Family History records in Salt Lake say > this. Who know? Maybe George did marry both Elizabeth and Jane Godfrey in > Malden in 1644? And where the heck did a father named Richard Godfrey come > from? > > See comments below. Bette > > Bunker, Swain, Godfrey > > Compendium of American Genealogy volume VI > > Immigrant Ancestors, pg. 761 Bunker, George d. 1658. Came from England > 1634; settled at Ipswich, MA; original settler at Topsfield, MA > > Pg. 594 V VII. Pg. 594 George Bunker m. Jane Godfrey d. Richard Godfrey > (1595-1652) and Jane Turner.. > > ( Date of marriage from Family Search May 5, 1644 Malden, England) > > One Hundred and Sixty Allied Families, pg. 50 (Genealogy Library.Com) > > George Bunker Ipswich, Topsfield, Mass. He moved to Topsfield on his > marriage to Jane Godfrey and at that place was drowned. 1658,6,20. His > wife gave Inventory of her husband’s estate as oe300. > > 1659. Upon her second marriage to Richard Swain, she moved with her > children to Nantucket, where she died three years later. 1667,6,18. Deed > from Richard Swain (stepfather to George Bunker’s children) to Edward > Starbuck and Thomas Macy, guardians of the four minor children of George > Bunker diseased. The deed embraced one whole share of land on Nantucket, > with all privileges thereto belonging; all common rights, both of ear land, > meadows, wood, timber (with certain minor reservations) etc., for and in > consideration of certain portions ordered and appointed by the Court of > Salem unto four of the children of George Bunker diseased; viz: William > oe24; > > (must be 14, not 24 or he would not be a minor) NOTE: Our publication gives his baptism date as 17 Jun 1648 Tingrith, Bedfordshire, England, so that he was at least 11 years of age in 1659. Thus the age of 14 sounds right. > > Mary oe 12; ; Annie oe12; and Martha oe12. Witnesses: John Swain, Dorcas > Starbuck. (Note from Pamela: What about Eliza? Being the oldest had she > rec’d her portion?) > > First record of Elizabeth in George's will age 12 1658. Married Thomas > Look. I see no record of the marriage but NEHGS has copies of several > parish records that show marriages of the children of Thomas Look and > Elizabeth Bunker so she was in America and Nantucket. > > SWAIN BELOW BUT SEE ABOUT JANE > > One Hundred Sixty Allied Families > > Richard Swain, Hampton, NH and Nantucket, MA > > 1635,9,17. Came in ship “Truelove” from London having sent his wife > Elizabeth in the “Planter.” The April previous his sons Francis and William > in the “Rebecca” and dau. Elizabeth in the “Susan & Ellen” in care of > various friends. > > 1638,10,9 Newbury, MA. His da. Elizabeth baptized there. > > 1639,3,7 Hampton. He and others petitioned Gov. of Mass., complaining of > William Havard, military officer. > > He was, while at Hampton, Selectman & commissioner for small causes. > > 1659,7,2. He and his son John were amon the nine purchasers of Nantucket > from Thomas Mahew. > > 1661,5,10 Nantucket. On a commission to lay out shares. > > 1667,6,18. He deeded land to Thomas Macy and Edward Starbuck, guardians of > George Bunker’s children. > > His last wife Jane was the 1st white person recorded as having died on > Nantucket, and his grandson John Swain was 1st white child born there. > > His son, Francis, went to Long Island, William stayed at Hampton and > Richard, the only child by his second wife, moved to N.J. where > descendants have been Cape May pilots. > > 1682,8,1. Administration on his estate granted to Richard Swain, Jr. who > gave bond of 50 pounds with James Coffin. Appraisers appointed by the court > were Nathaniel Bernard, Stephen Coffin, Thomas Look, Tobias Coleman.

While looking through the 1920 census I came across the "Hospital for the Insane" in one state. There were 148 employees listed, one lodger who seemed to be the wife of an employee, and 1,110 "inmates". I wanted to let people know that the "inmates" of Hospitals for the "insane" were not what we today would call insane or mentally ill. In these hospitals were many people whose spouse was mad at them and wanted to get rid of them. Also, people that were developmentally delayed were there. People with Alzheimer's were there. Some people were there for political reasons. I know of a couple horror stories of people put in "insane" asylums that were not the least bit insane. One notorious hospital in SD had loads of Indians who were assertive and questioned the government agents. In another instance strikers were committed. In one instance, a doctor abused his wife and when she tried to get a divorce, he had her declared insane, took their children away and sent them out of the state. The poor woman was never allowed to see her children again. In an altercation with her lawyer, the only one courageous enough to represent her after the doctor threatened to kill anyone who did, the doctor got killed but she still never got the kids back. These are only a few stories I have heard. If you find your ancestor in a hospital for the insane do not be discouraged. Chances are he/she would not be considered mentally ill today. Also, after the wars, many veterans suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome were housed there. The elderly suffering from dementia were frequently called insane. They were not, of course. Bette

I just read an interesting article on the subject of DNA testing for genealogical purposes. It is at <http://www.msnbc.com/news/682153.asp> if anyone is interested. Bette

So Roger's parents haven't been discovered yet? Roger's baptism hasn't been found in England? He died in 1515 in Tingrith, Bedfordshire, England - Is there a parish death record? I've seen someone has even narrowed it down to Dec 15? Oh, that was when the will was written - does anyone have copy? Again, Agnes died Jan 1623 Acton Turville, Gloucestershire, England - Is there a parish death record? Did she write a will? Is that how you have a date? William's will of 30 Sep 1558. Oliver's will of 15 Nov 1616- does anyone have copies? Maybe this might help me - are the wills listed in either the Henry Bunker book or the Ed Moran book? Thanks. Donna

Hi Carol: I believe one of the genealogists has checked the records in Malden for more information about Bunkers. We have a copy of the record of George and Elizabeth's marriage in 1644. I don't think there are any other Bunker records in that parish. We are guessing that there is a possibility that Jane and Elizabeth were sisters or perhaps cousins but that is only a guess. We do not know who the parents of Elizabeth were or who the parents of Jane were. We have no records yet that gives us any information on them. We do not even know if Jane may have been born in America. There were Godfreys here early enough for that to be true. Maybe they were related to Elizabeth and that is why George came to America. We have no idea. Maybe George married Jane in England. William was baptized in Tingrith. Possibly William is even the son of Jane. The baptismal record only says William the son of George Bunker. There is no mother's name. We are working on it. However, the civil wars (the ones with Cromwell) destroyed many of the records. Our final answer to the puzzle may still be our best guess but we are hoping that a lot of people will try to help and maybe we will find a record that will solve the whole thing. Bette -----Original Message----- From: Clemonz@aol.com [mailto:Clemonz@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:19 AM To: betterichs@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Jane Godfrey Bunker Good Morning, Bette: Just checked my data to see if I had anything on Elizabeth/Jane and had no insights. I thought I had heard one time that Jane might be the sister of Elizabeth? Has anyone found out anything from marriage/birth/wills records from Maulden, since that is generally assumed to be correct info concerning the "first" marriage? Carol Clemons

I've located two suggestions for Jane's 2nd husband: Research Materials; Leslie Hoag Hope >Marriage 2 Richard Swaine b: BEF. 26 SEP 1595 in Binfield, Berkshire, England With this marriage date it would be a good assumption that he was born in 1575. If he is the same one that married Jane Godfrey Bunker in 1658 or later, he would have been over 80 years old. This may have been Richard Swain's father who was also named Richard. Another Richard (see below) was born in 1601 and he allegedly married Jane Godfrey Bunker. A birthdate of 1601 makes more sense for Jane's husband but then George Bunker was born in 1621. There could have been still another generation of Swains here. >Married: 15 SEP 1658 in Hampton, Rockingham Co, NH This is interesting. I wonder if this (15 Sep 1658) is the date and place that Richard married Jane Godfrey Bunker as George Bunker died 26 May 1658. Quick marriage especially as Jane was not a poor widow needing someone to support her children. And it does not appear that Richard Swain needed to marry her for her money either. >Children > Richard Swaine b: 13 JAN 1659/60 in Hampton,, NH I would hope this is 1660 or this child was conceived before George died. To be born in Jan 1659, the child had to have been conceived about Mar 1658. George Bunker died 26 May 1658. If born Jan 1659, this child would have either been George's child or Jane was a naughty lady. Someone said that Jane Godfrey Bunker Swain died in childbirth and was the first white person buried on Nantucket. (I have seen no record to support this.) However, I do not have a date of death for her. If she died giving birth to a child born in 1659/1660, Richard Swain raised the Bunker children by himself. and from Pamela's good find of a site: >Various, Societies; Genealogy; Massachusetts, Nantucket Historical >Association (NHA); Eliza Starbuck Barney Genealogical Record (Electronic; >), http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/p110.htm#i7563, Nantucket Historical >Association, http://www.nha.org/. >" >Richard Swain Sen. (M) >b. 1601, d. 1682 > Richard Swain Sen. married an unknown person ; Richard, Sen. had two > sons by a former marriage. He was born in 1601; the 1st of Nantucket. He > married Jane Godfrey before 1633; His 2nd wife. This cannot be correct as Jane married Richard after George Bunker died in 1658. They had one child, but > note at Vol. VI, p. 170 2 chn. are listed. Richard Swain Sen. died in > 1682; Written format was "Ap. 14-1682." > > Children of Richard Swain Sen.: >Richard Swain Jun. ( - 1708) >John Swain (1633 - 1715)." Richard Swain was said to have 2 children by a previous marriage when he married Jane. The above could have been those children. and for the son: >Various, Societies; Genealogy; Massachusetts, Nantucket Historical >Association (NHA); Eliza Starbuck Barney Genealogical Record (Electronic; >), http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/p453.htm#i36303, Nantucket Historical >Association, http://www.nha.org/. >" >Richard Swain Jun. (M) >d. 1708 >Pedigree > Richard Swain Jun. resided; Settled at Cape May, N.J. He was born; > The oldest. He was the son of Richard Swain Sen.. Richard Swain Jun. died > in 1708." Information on the other surnames you mention can be found in Quaker/Friends' publications, some available either on line or on a CD - but they are not free. Thanks for the info and the website. Do you know of a website that has the New England Monthly and/or Yearly Meeting records? Or a CD? Hinshaw did not include those in his Quaker Genealogy and I have not been able to find a copy of the New England Quaker records. I'd buy those in a nanosecond if I could find them. Bette

Just want to be sure I'm clear on this Roger md Agnes ?? they had William who md Anne Wm then had Oliver who md Joan then Oliver had Timothy Timothy md Elizabeth Hawkins and then had George who married Ms. Godfrey

That is the way we believe the descent goes. Bette -----Original Message----- From: Donna [mailto:tacii@olg.com] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 12:12 PM To: BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: George from Nantucket Just want to be sure I'm clear on this Roger md Agnes ?? they had William who md Anne Wm then had Oliver who md Joan then Oliver had Timothy Timothy md Elizabeth Hawkins and then had George who married Ms. Godfrey ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== Post your information and queries. We love it. No BUNKER rock left untouched. Spelling variations ok - we don't "know" the original. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I've located two suggestions for Jane's 2nd husband: Research Materials; Leslie Hoag Hope >Marriage 2 Richard Swaine b: BEF. 26 SEP 1595 in Binfield, Berkshire, England >Married: 15 SEP 1658 in Hampton, Rockingham Co, NH >Children > Richard Swaine b: 13 JAN 1659/60 in Hampton,, NH and from Pamela's good find of a site: >Various, Societies; Genealogy; Massachusetts, Nantucket Historical >Association (NHA); Eliza Starbuck Barney Genealogical Record (Electronic; >), http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/p110.htm#i7563, Nantucket Historical >Association, http://www.nha.org/. >" >Richard Swain Sen. (M) >b. 1601, d. 1682 > Richard Swain Sen. married an unknown person ; Richard, Sen. had two > sons by a former marriage. He was born in 1601; the 1st of Nantucket. He > married Jane Godfrey before 1633; His 2nd wife. They had one child, but > note at Vol. VI, p. 170 2 chn. are listed. Richard Swain Sen. died in > 1682; Written format was "Ap. 14-1682." > > Children of Richard Swain Sen.: >Richard Swain Jun. ( - 1708) >John Swain (1633 - 1715)." and for the son: >Various, Societies; Genealogy; Massachusetts, Nantucket Historical >Association (NHA); Eliza Starbuck Barney Genealogical Record (Electronic; >), http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/p453.htm#i36303, Nantucket Historical >Association, http://www.nha.org/. >" >Richard Swain Jun. (M) >d. 1708 >Pedigree > Richard Swain Jun. resided; Settled at Cape May, N.J. He was born; > The oldest. He was the son of Richard Swain Sen.. Richard Swain Jun. died > in 1708." Information on the other surnames you mention can be found in Quaker/Friends' publications, some available either on line or on a CD - but they are not free. Hope this is helpful, K. McGee At 09:17 AM 9/21/2002 -0700, Bette Richards wrote: >Some of us have been discussing the wife of George Bunker who settled in >Nantucket with George's children <snip> >We would need to look for Swains as well as Jane had children with her >second husband Richard Swain. Also Coffins, Look(e)s, Colemans and Husseys >as George's daughters married men with those names. > >If anybody finds anything of interest please share it with us. Thanks. > >Bette <snip>

Some of us have been discussing the wife of George Bunker who settled in Nantucket with George's children and established the Nantucket branch of Bunkers. We do not believe that Elizabeth Godfree who married George Bunker in Malden, Bedfordshire, England in 1644 was the same person as Jane Godfrey who was George's wife while living in Massachusetts. George Bunker and Jane Godfrey would have married sometime after 1644 and before 1652. Around 1650/51 George came to America with his two older children, William and Elizabeth. He settled first in Ipswich, MA and then moved shortly thereafter to Topsfield, Essex Co., MA. He was in Topsfield by 1652. Did he marry Jane Godfrey in England or in America? Were there any Godfreys in America in 1650? The name of Jane's parents have been given as Richard or Thomas Godfrey and Elizabeth Mead or Turner, but I have not seen any records to support that. Were there any Turners or Meads in America in 1650? Below is a copy of part of a message between the researchers. However, I find Godfreys in MA before George got here. Godbert Godberson in Plymouth 1632 (probably not a Godfrey but I picked it up with soundex) Peter Godfrey, Newbury, Essex Co., MA 1653, 1688 (Essex Co. is where George settled about the same time) William Godfreen, Freeman 13 May 1639, MA colony Isaac Godfrey, Norfolk Co., MA 1678 John Godfrey, Norfolk Co., MA 1678 Francis Godfry, Duxborrow, Plymouth Colony 1643 I have been told that Jane Godfrey was the dau of Richard Godfrey and also Thomas Godfrey. Her mother named as Elizabeth Mead and Elizabeth Turner. A search of Ancestry.com shows Peter Godfrey in Newbury, Essex Co., MA in 1653. Earlier in 1639 we have William Godfreen in MA colony and Francis Godfry in Duxborrow, Plymouth Colony in 1643. Then we have John Godfrey, one of the Salem Witches who was acquitted in Andover in 1659, and in Haverhill in both 1662 and 1665. (could be the same man but boy they did not like him at all). We also had Edward Godfrey in York, Maine in 1651. We had Turners in Duxborrow, Essex Co. in 1643. We had Meades in MA in 1636 and 1638. This is just a quick search in Ancestry dealing only with their vital records sections. This might give Val some clues as to which Godfreys to look for in Beds. In addition, I think I will put this on the list and invite people to look for evidence of a marriage between Jane and George in the US. Peter Godefroy, Godfery, Godfrey, Godfry had an estate probated in Essex Co., MA 27 Dec 1697. The index says he was a planter from Newbury, Essex Co., MA. Maybe someone will try to get a copy of his will and see if he names any Bunkers in it. For those of you interested in researching this issue, it is obvious that there were Godfreys in MA when George Bunker got here. Therefore, it is entirely possible that George married Jane Godfrey in Massachusetts. While no marriage record has yet been found, it may be out there. The assumption in the early 1900's that Elizabeth and Jane Godfrey were the same person may have squelched thorough research in this area. Also, I don't know if anyone has researched Godfrey wills for any mention of any of the Bunker family. We would need to look for Swains as well as Jane had children with her second husband Richard Swain. Also Coffins, Look(e)s, Colemans and Husseys as George's daughters married men with those names. If anybody finds anything of interest please share it with us. Thanks. Bette

Boy is there ever a lot of interest in George's wife, either Elizabeth or Jane Godfrey and also his ancestry. We are working on it. All the information we have will be included in the CD which should come out in 2004. Perhaps by that time we will have solved the Elizabeth/Jane problem. One thing is certain. George was the son of Timothy and descended from Roger of Tingrith, Bedfordshire, England. People who would like a pedigree can contact Gil at gilbunker@snip.net. There is ABSOLUTELY NO RECORD to prove a connection with any Boncoeur or Huguenot of any name. I am looking for a male descendant down the male line of William Bunker of Nantucket, George's son. He must have been born with the name Bunker. This is for the DNA project. A match with the English line of Bunkers descended from Roger would be absolute proof that we have it right. The cost of the test is $99 and as soon as I get 6 different Bunkers to do the test we will begin. I would really like to have a descendant of the Modbury Bunkers (this is Jane Bunker Overy's family) too as we can compare the DNA with that of a known descendant of James of Dover to see if they are connected and if the Devon Bunkers are connected to the Bedfordshire Bunkers. Anybody interested? Please contact me for information. Bette

I have updated our e-mail directory for the Bunker Family Association's web site at http://www.bunkerfamilyassn.org/email.html. If you are a BFA member subscribing to the list, please review this page to make sure your name is listed correctly (only BFA members are published in the on-line listing, though Bunker researchers can send messages to the entire Bunker-L list for queries. Please watch the messages in the next few weeks for additional announcements regarding the web site. We look forward to making some substantial improvements to it in the coming year. FYI, the list coordinator now has a faster Internet connection necessitating a change in his administrative/posting address to ddetling@charter.net. You'll see that in messages I post to the list. But I also will continue to receive most e-mail at the following address: ddetling@greencity.org -- a personal web site maintained on the same server as the Bunker Family Association's web site. My personal site contains substantial genealogy date on my extended families--only some of whom are Bunkers. Feel free to browse there as well... Douglas G. Detling (D15-II) - Bunker Family Association web site/e-mail coordinator ddetling@greencity.org or ddetling@charter.net

I'm really surprised at the comment in this last email -- perhaps I'm reading it wrong. I've never had difficulty finding books, published materials or some websites for my MA, and Nantucket MA, Bunkers. I didn't answer the query because I'm related to what became the Quaker line of Bunkers and appear to be from the Boncoeur line. I'm adding some of the line, but since I haven't added the entire group to my database it is incomplete and w/o primary sources. By the way, you can find information on this line at a variety of places, not all listed below. The NHA site is super and you can even buy copies of the materials you need for your references/sources. 1) Source Title: Societies; Genealogy; Massachusetts, Nantucket Historical Association Manuscripts and Maps Author: Various Publication Information: Electronic; Database Source Call Number: http://www.crewnoble.com/nantucket/newman.htm Repository Name: Nantucket Historical Association Film/Volume/Page Number: Land, various people: Collection: 1000 Map Collection, 1626 - 2) Also here: http://www.bunkerfamilyassn.org/bfa_pubs.html 3) Source Title: Website: Bunker Family Association Author: Various Publication Information: Electronic; Source Call Number: http://www.bunkerfamilyassn.org/index.htm Film/Volume/Page Number: http://www.bunkerfamilyassn.org/histories.html >1-- Guilluame Boncoeur (1600- ) ,,Nancy,France [Might be some >discussion with him] > sp-Joanne MNU (1592- ) > 2-- George Bunker (1620-1658) ,,Massachusetts > sp-Jane Elizabeth Godfrey (1623-1662) ,,Massachusetts > 3-- William Bunker (1648-1712) Topsfield,Essex > County,Massachusetts <<<My line > sp-Mary Macy (1648-1729) Salisbury,Essex County,Massachusetts > 4-- Jane Bunker ( - ) > sp-Shuball Pinkham ( - ) > 4-- George Bunker [Esquire] (1671- ) > sp-Deborah Coffin > (1676-1767) Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachussetts > 4-- John Bunker (1672- ) > sp-Mary Coffin ( - ) > 4-- Jonathan Bunker (1674-1721) > sp-Elizabeth Coffin > (1675-1769) Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachussetts > 4-- Pegleg Bunker ( - ) > sp-Susanna Coffin > (1679-1740) Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachussetts > 5-- Elizabeth Bunker ( - ) > sp-Daniel Allen > (1704-1788) Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachussetts > 4-- Jabez Bunker (1678- ) > sp-Hannah Gardner ( - ) > 4-- Thomas Bunker (1680- ) > sp-Priscilla Arthur ( - ) > 4-- Benjamin Bunker (1683-1721) > sp-Deborah Paddock ( - ) > 4-- Abigail Ann Bunker > (1686-1767) Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachussetts <<<My line > sp-Nathaniel Paddock (1677-1756) Yarmouth,Barnstable > County,Massachussetts > 5-- Priscilla Paddock > (1722-1803) Sherborn,Nantucket,Massachussetts > sp-William Coffin [I] (1720-1804) Nantucket > Island,Nantucket,Massachusetts > 4-- Daniel Bunker (1696- ) Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachusetts > 4-- Mary Bunker [II] (1714- ) or of > Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachusetts > sp-Tristram Coffin [III] > (1684-1763) Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachusetts > 5-- Tristram Coffin [VI] (1722- ) or of > Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachusetts > sp-Elizabeth Starbuck [II] (1731- ) or of > Nantucket,Nantucket,Massachusetts > 3-- Mary Bunker (1652-1724) Newburyport,Essex,Massachusetts > sp-Stephen Coffin (1652-1734) Newbury,Essex County,Massachusetts > 3-- Ann Bunker (1654- ) Topsfield,,Massachusetts > sp-Joseph Coleman [I] (1642-1690) > 3-- Martha Bunker (1656- ) Newburyport,Essex County,Massachusetts I'll be interested to go to the site Pamela mentions, sounds very interesting. Regards, K. McGee At 10:03 AM 9/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: >Pamela Briggs just sent me this and I thought I would send it along to the >list as others may be interested. > >Bette, Regarding your work on the Nantucket Bunker line, you may find it >difficult to find some of them because Nantucket was so isolated and >independent that many of the records can only be located in private records. >The historian there had sent me some of the Robinson info. I needed. >Yesterday I checked out their website and found they have added lots of >information. I found a treasure trove of Robinson's. A great deal of it is >in Eliza Starbuck Barney Genealogical Record. The Surname Index is at >http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/surname_index.htm. You can also get back >to the homepage from there. There are oodles of Bunkers, some of whom might >not be listed elsewhere. The historian in Nantucket. told me this record >was the most reliable. Also, if you subscribe to Genealogy.com which I >believe you do, under "Genealogies of Mayflower Families, there are >"Marriages in Nantucket, 1717-1777, the records of which were kept by George >Bunker and Caleb Bunker whom as justices of the peace conducted many of >these records. Pamela > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bette Richards" <betterichs@earthlink.net> >To: <BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:36 PM >Subject: Bunker/Bancker connection > > > > I was just working on the Nantucket Bunker line and at the same time > working > > on the descendants of Laurens Bancker from Holland who later changed their > > name to Bunker. I found that the Nantucket and Dutch line intermarried. > > William Henry Bunker (RN18390, U805), son of George Henry Bunker & Betsey > > Wheeler m. Luella Mary Bunker (RN18389, N252), dau of Charles C. Bunker and > > Mary Heimbach. Anyone who is interested in more information about this > > family, please contact me. > > > > Bette <snip>

If you are researching people in Australia and New Zealand you might find the Rootsweb site for Australia and NZ helpful. <http://userdb.rootsweb.com/aus> Bette

Please note when looking at the Eliza Starbuck Barney genealogical record (that I sent you the link to after receiving it from Pamela Briggs), right off the bat there is an error. Jane Godfrey, the wife of George Bunker married SECOND Swain after George was drowned. Also, George never lived in Nantucket. We call him the progenitor of the Nantucket branch as Jane took his children to Nantucket with her after his death. In addition, the first two children where the children of Elizabeth Godfrey and the genealogists and historians do NOT believe that Elizabeth and Jane were the same person. They may have been related. The BFA English researchers are looking into the Godfreys in England now to try to resolve this problem. That is how this conversation on the Nantucket Bunkers got started. I haven't looked at the rest of it but there are a lot of Bunkers on this website and would probably be a good place to look for information about your ancestors. Bette

Pamela Briggs just sent me this and I thought I would send it along to the list as others may be interested. Bette, Regarding your work on the Nantucket Bunker line, you may find it difficult to find some of them because Nantucket was so isolated and independent that many of the records can only be located in private records. The historian there had sent me some of the Robinson info. I needed. Yesterday I checked out their website and found they have added lots of information. I found a treasure trove of Robinson's. A great deal of it is in Eliza Starbuck Barney Genealogical Record. The Surname Index is at http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/surname_index.htm. You can also get back to the homepage from there. There are oodles of Bunkers, some of whom might not be listed elsewhere. The historian in Nantucket. told me this record was the most reliable. Also, if you subscribe to Genealogy.com which I believe you do, under "Genealogies of Mayflower Families, there are "Marriages in Nantucket, 1717-1777, the records of which were kept by George Bunker and Caleb Bunker whom as justices of the peace conducted many of these records. Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bette Richards" <betterichs@earthlink.net> To: <BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Bunker/Bancker connection > I was just working on the Nantucket Bunker line and at the same time working > on the descendants of Laurens Bancker from Holland who later changed their > name to Bunker. I found that the Nantucket and Dutch line intermarried. > William Henry Bunker (RN18390, U805), son of George Henry Bunker & Betsey > Wheeler m. Luella Mary Bunker (RN18389, N252), dau of Charles C. Bunker and > Mary Heimbach. Anyone who is interested in more information about this > family, please contact me. > > Bette > > >

Cousins, The greatly delayed Banner is finally at the printer. Actually he had it for over a week but could do nothing until the group photo arrived. The 10x31 inch photo (borrowed from Bette) was way too big and caused their scanner to crash. So I had to wait for the small copy, which finally arrived in a #10 envelope, after an extended 9 day "pony express" trip from Texas to New Jersey. The printer started processing all the photos on Monday the 16th, so the Banner hopefully will be mailed next week. :-( Seems like all I do is apologize for photographers. cheers gil

Clive of Utah married Virginia Chadburn EArdley who, our records indicate, died 19 Aug 1949 at St. George. Our records also show a daughter Cliveen born 3 Jan 1950, St. George UT. Are the dates incorrect, or did Clive remarry after Virginia's death? Would anyone know? Mary-Gene Bunker Page BFA Assistant Family Historian

Hello cousins, A CDV of Dumont who served in the Civil War with the 19 Maine Vols is on ebay. The photo shows only his head and collar. The starting bid is $49.95 but the dealer, very knowledgeable abt CW and Dumont, probably wants a good deal more as the "reserve not yet met." I am not going to bid for the BFA on this one, although I could be persuaded with your approval. Any of you descended from Dumont? Check 1982 BunGen p.153. Dumont had 8 kids and several grandchildren gil

I have just received copies of records pertaining to Bunkers from the Bedfordshire, England archives. They are copies of microfilm copies of the original records. Their quality is very good considering that they are 400-500 years old. No one unfamiliar with old style handwriting would be able to decipher them. However, they are a valuable addition to the files of the Bunker Family Association. I will scan them in and put them in with the Bunker records. I found it very interesting that the wills of Roger Bunker, 1516, and William Bunker, 1558, are written in English and I can read parts of them. With practice I will be able to read the vast majority of the information written. However, the will of Oliver Bunker, 1616 is very interesting. I seems to be a "form" will. It is carefully written out in what I think is Latin with blanks at various places. In those blanks with different ink, are the names and dates. In one case the preprinted words have been crossed out. Brian Bunker's various researchers in England have transcribed these records for the BFA and if you could see the originals you would realize that we are definitely getting our money's worth with their transcriptions. I will be putting the copies of the originals along with the transcriptions on the CD of Roger Bunker's descendants. This will be in pdf form so that anyone who wants to copy them for their own records will be able to do so. I wish we could get the same records for James of Dover. If we can ever be certain who his parents were and then find the records, we will certainly get copies for the BFA. Unfortunately, we may never get those records as James came from Devon and the records there were mostly destroyed. I have a book by Kip Sperry called READING EARLY AMERICAN HANDWRITING. Since American handwriting in 1600's was not much different from English handwriting for the same period, I am sure Kip's book will help me a lot. I found in less than an hour in a class at the FGS conference that Kip could get just about anybody reading most of what they were seeing that had been written in the 1600's. I highly recommend Kip's book if you are trying to decipher early American records. Or English ones for that matter. Bette