The trouble with tieing up loose ends is that often they tie you up. In the index to the 1881 British census, we appear to have a Devon family moving to Durham ( county not necessarily the town) Details " Head " Robert b Devon 1845; Children Robert John b 1865,Albert Thomas b 1867 Emily Thirza b 1870, Mary Ellen b 1873, Fredrick Charles b 1875 , all b Devon. Then Samuel b 1878 and Henry b 1880 , both in Durham. There doesn't seem to be a wife "available except ,possibly , Carline b 1846, Durham in 1881. Unfortunately Carline's birth county is not given ; was it Devon? She is entitled ,"wife". Does anybody know this family ? Reason for move ? Well, by the 1880's agriculture was collapsing and quite a few Bunkers went north to coalmine ; they must have been desperate. Best Wishes to all, Brian Bunker.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040106010803080806020904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is the correspondence to which Glen refers. --------------040106010803080806020904 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: Benjamin3 D7 marr Abigail ADAMS" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re: Benjamin3 D7 marr Abigail ADAMS" >From - Mon Jul 08 11:24:09 2002 Return-Path: <roser@acadia.net> Delivered-To: mgpage@unlimited.net Received: (qmail 28489 invoked by uid 504); 5 Jul 2002 23:52:26 -0000 Received: from mta1.prexar.com (marigold.acadia.net [142.167.5.11]) by borg.inreach.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9E91B663 for <mgpage@unlimited.net>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from computer ([142.167.43.43]) by mta1.prexar.com (InterMail vK.4.03.05.03 201-232-132-103 license 825bd1c9497ec8feaf544f28fddada32) with SMTP id <20020705235326.GTVQ7348.mta1@computer> for <mgpage@unlimited.net>; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:53:26 -0400 Message-ID: <007401c2247e$f86bf8a0$442aa78e@computer> From: "roser" <roser@acadia.net> To: "Mary-Gene Page" <mgpage@unlimited.net> References: <3A4F771B.43D29AD0@unlimited.net> <007801c22436$42a8fc40$3155ee41@hppav> <3D25E10C.FB7B273E@unlimited.net> Subject: Re: Benjamin3 D7 marr Abigail ADAMS Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:37:21 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Mary-Gene, Several years ago I searched Ancestry.com and found it as Abigail Goodwin and her parents as Daniel Goodwin and Abigail Roberts, theirs as Daniel Goodwin and Amy Thompson, and Hatevil Roberts and Lydia Roberts. I am also forwarding a family tree maker site for you to see, in another mailing. Rosalie in Bar Harbor, Me. God Bless America ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary-Gene Page" <mgpage@unlimited.net> To: <BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Benjamin3 D7 marr Abigail ADAMS > Dear David and Carol, > > We also have the Abigail Goodwin name as a candidate for his wife. > No one has ever responded to this message so we have no proof either > way. > I did correspond with the Cranberry Isles webmaster, and he said that > the Goodwin was an assumption because there were so many Goodwins on the > Isles and so many Bunker-Goodwin intermarriages. He did not know for > sure either. > > Mary-Gene > > David & Carol Eddleman wrote: > > > > I have her name as Abigail Goodwin, d/o Daniel and Abigail Roberts Goodwin. > > Did anyone ever verify this? > > > > Carol C. Eddleman > > PA-Roots Data Board Administrator (Bedford, Bucks, Northampton Cos.) > > http://www.pa-roots.com/data.html > > Currie/Swendsen/Wallick/Mikkelsen/Conger/Swain/Bunker/Gorsuch at > > http://www.uftree.com/UFT/WebPages/CarolCurrieEddleman/CAROLFAM/index.htm#to > > c > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mary-Gene Page" <mgpage@unlimited.net> > > To: <BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 2:12 PM > > Subject: Benjamin3 D7 marr Abigail ADAMS > > > > > Our BFA publication does not give a surname for Benjamin's wife Abigail. > > > Our member Carol Jeanne Rathbun, however, has sent me a photocopy of a > > > typed transcript of ME Vital Records which shows: > > > > > > Bunker, Benjamin son of Benjamin Bunker/Abigail Adams christened 22 Jul > > > 1759 in Cumberland, Harpswell Co, ME. > > > > > > This younger Benjamin is our D-22 who married Mary Stanley. > > > > > > The photocopy is of Page 466; the Source column gives Batch 8706501 > > > Serial Sheet 41. > > > > > > I believe at the time Carol sent this I began to look at the Cranberry > > > Isles website, but got distracted along the line and did not follow up. > > > > > > Can anyone add any extra information substantiating Abigail's maiden > > > name as ADAMS? We should make this "official" probably. > > > > > > Mary-Gene Bunker Page > > > > > > > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > > > Want to join the Bunker Family Association?. Send an e-mail message to > > gilbunker@snip.net and receive membership information. > > > > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files). > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --------------040106010803080806020904--

Dear Glenn, Welcome, cousin-in-law - I, too, am a descendant of James of Devonshire. My line is James, James, Benjamin, Silas... I'd surely appreciate the information on Kristina's line, just how she is descended. Your message may confuse some of the Benjamins. Also, there is a question as to which Abigail Benjamin married. D-7 Benjamin3 (James2, James1) married ABIGAIL ca 1730. We are not sure as to her maiden name, which might have been Adams (per ME Vital Records which show Adams) or Goodwin (per David & Carol Eddleman, although unconfirmed). This Benjamin3 and Abigail had a son D-22 Benjamin4, born 1759, bp 22 Jul 1759 "in infancy" Cumberland, Harpswell Co, ME (ME Records). Benjamin4 married Mary STANLEY ca 1777 in Maine. There was a Nantucket Branch Benjamin b 1742 who married Eunice SWAIN; another Nantucket Benjamim b 1747 who died young; and D-16 Benjamin b 1740 md Elizabeth BARNES. Those are the only Benjamins we have with a birthdate anywhere near 1745. Do you know where that information came from? I can send you the entire lineage with dates, siblings, etc., if you'll send me your wife's line as you know it. Perhaps there are some confusions in it. At any rate, delighted to hear from you and awaiting your info with interest. Mary-Gene glenn wilfert wrote: > > Mary: Have a question regarding Benjamin Bunker sone of Benjamin > Bunker and Abigail Adams, in your e mail dated 7-5-02 you indicate a > christening date of 22 Jul 1759 in Cumberland, ME. The only information > on Benjamin shows his birth date to be approx. 1745, although this is > not precise information the years do not seem consistant with birth and > christening. Can you add some clarity to this. > Thanks, > Glenn Wilfert > > p.s. my wife Kristina Wilfert is a descendant of James Bunker of > ,Devonshire, England. >

Hi: > >From: "Bunkers, Suzanne" <suzanne.bunkers@mnsu.edu> >To: BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: DNA results, naming patterns, etc. >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 05:03:58 -0600 > >Bette and all, > >Naming patterns were quite different in Germany than in England, > >apparently. In the research that several of the German Bunker(s) have > >done these past several years, we found that surnames varied > >considerably, sometimes because a man who married into a family might > >take the surname of the woman if the land was in her family's name. > This practice was common in a *portion* of Germany. I know it was the case in the Lippe-Detmold area. I don't believe it was the norm in Bayern or Baden. > >Another possibility was that many individuals might be known both by >the >surname of the landowner on whose land they lived (e.g., Bunker at > >Feldmann farm), yet the same individuals might also have their own > >surnames. We found siblings living in the same household who had > >different surnames on German records! And then, of course, there are > >variant spellings because so few individuals were literate and there >was >no standard orthography at the time. It all makes for a most >challenging >genealogical puzzle. > Challenging indeed. I believe that I found (using an Internet search engine) a couple of articles that dealt with the naming practices in Lippe-Detmold. It might be worth a little web surfing. Best regards - Kipp - _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Bette and all, Naming patterns were quite different in Germany than in England, apparently. In the research that several of the German Bunker(s) have done these past several years, we found that surnames varied considerably, sometimes because a man who married into a family might take the surname of the woman if the land was in her family's name. Another possibility was that many individuals might be known both by the surname of the landowner on whose land they lived (e.g., Bunker at Feldmann farm), yet the same individuals might also have their own surnames. We found siblings living in the same household who had different surnames on German records! And then, of course, there are variant spellings because so few individuals were literate and there was no standard orthography at the time. It all makes for a most challenging genealogical puzzle. I will be very interested to see how German and German-American Bunker descendanrs are linked to one another. Of course, once we begin testi! ng the Irish Bunkers, we will likely find links to both the English and German Bunkers! Best wishes, Suzanne Bunkers ----------------------------------------------- Bette wrote: We tested our first German American and he did not match the Devon, England Bunkers. He can trace his ancestry back to Germany to a man who was named Hesemann and took the name Buehnker. He has ancestors in Ohio. It is very interesting that even though he does not match anyone named Bunker so far, he does match 5 other men with different names. Right now we are trying to get them together. How interesting to know that others were descended from the same man but took different names. So far we have found two men named Berton and it seems they are related to people with many spellings and variations of that name. This is an adventure we hope to pursue further. We are looking for others to join our test. To learn more about it go to http://www.bunkerfamily.org <http://www.bunkerfamily.org> and click on the DNA surname project link.

My flying fingers goofed and I got interrupted and did not check out the link before I sent the message. The link to the Bunker surname DNA project is at http://www.bunkerfamilyassn.org Sorry. For some reason the kids are running through the yard from next door every 5-10 minutes tonight and the dogs are going nuts. Bette

We got the results today for two more men in our DNA surname project. It is very interesting. The New Zealand man matches exactly to the US Modbury man. We expected that as they both trace their ancestry back to Richard Bunker (RN2509) who was born in Modbury, Devon, England 27 Mar 1791. They both match James of Dover 11 of 12 markers and match the Rattery, Devon Bunker 10 of 12 markers. We tested our first German American and he did not match the Devon, England Bunkers. He can trace his ancestry back to Germany to a man who was named Hesemann and took the name Buehnker. He has ancestors in Ohio. It is very interesting that even though he does not match anyone named Bunker so far, he does match 5 other men with different names. Right now we are trying to get them together. How interesting to know that others were descended from the same man but took different names. So far we have found two men named Berton and it seems they are related to people with many spellings and variations of that name. This is an adventure we hope to pursue further. We are looking for others to join our test. To learn more about it go to http://www.bunkerfamily.org and click on the DNA surname project link. I am very interested in finding a male descendant of Thomas Jefferson Bunker, b. 27 Nov 1803 in Meredith, NH to test. I am also very interested in finding more descendants of James of Dover to join in our test. It seems that the line up from James of Dover was the main line of Devon Bunkers and that the Modbury and Rattery Bunkers share a common ancestor with his but there are mutations in both of those lines. Bette

I have just come from a quilt show here in Tucson where I saw several quilts with pictures of family members on them. You can do an iron on transfer but those peel off eventually. In 1911, my gma and her cousin had a picture taken that was printed on cloth and I have hanging on my wall right now. I knew there had to be some method where you could print directly on cloth. Some places specialize in this and charge a lot. Here is a website for a company that sells products in this area, including books telling you how to do it. It seems the trick is to use an ink jet printer, a butcher paper backing and a fixative to stop any future bleeding. If you are interested there were actually 64,000 plus hits on the net for computer quilting. This one was one of the first and seems to be a good site for information about printing on cloth. http://www.softexpressions.com Bette

There is a new lesson on how to do genealogical research on the computer that people might find interesting and helpful. http://freepages.education.rootsweb.com/~dflanagan/start.html This is filled with lots of good links and ideas. The section Web Search Strategies is excellent and useful even to someone who has been doing research for years. http://www.smith.edu/libraries/libs/ssc/atg/introduction.html is an interesting site that tells family history from pictures and papers (letters, diaries, etc) of its members. It is a good example of what you can do to make your family history more interesting than just a recitation of what I call the begats. You know like John begat Mary who begat John who begat Elizabeth, etc.? When you can add anything personal to your family history and then arrange it in story form, it makes it so much more interesting. Several people have let me know I should have added http://www.searchbug.com to my latest list of sites for finding information about people. If you use any of the search engines like searchbug you really should read and save the section on Web Search Strategies cited above. You will get a lot more out of your efforts. I have been researching my family for 48 years now since I was 17 years old. In the early days it was a matter of writing to various places that kept vital records and hoping I could find something. It took a lot longer and cost me a lot more to hire people to search, postage, etc. With the internet we have an amazing amount of data that we can obtain just by paying for our internet connection. There are also sites where we pay a fee and get access to millions of records and things like the actual images of census returns. Many people do not want to pay a fee for anything. Some people just can't afford to do that. A lot of people share all the information they have paid for with others. The genealogy section of computer use has soared and is now I believe the biggest use of the internet aside from email. What amazing changes have occurred in the last 48 years. Bette

If you are looking for New England vital records try http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rbrown The American Battlefield Monument Commission has information about military personnel buried in other countries. http://www.abmc.gov There is a picture on this site of Edgar A. Bunker, b. 1925 in Hancock, ME, d. 8 Oct. 1951 in Korea Oh, if you are looking for birth records try http://userdb.rootsweb.com/births The 1912 index to Kentucky births has just been added. For information about the facts contained in the 1930 census http://www.census.gov/pubinfo/www/1930facts.html The above came from Boot Your Roots, newsletter of the Arizona Genealogical Computer Interest Group edited by Sally Rolls Pavia. Bette

In order to help you, I first went to Cyndi's list http://www.cyndislist.com, clicked on topical index, localities and then down to United States, CO. There was so much there I did not go any further. By the time you wade through all of that, you should have a good idea of where to find anything in CO. However, if you have tried that and are still looking, try http://www.familysearch.org You could spend a week or so there. Read the tutorials and try all the databases, not just the search for ancestors one. Do a search using the various search engines. http://www.google.com Remember if you are looking for Bunkers to put in the name like this "John Bunker". This keeps out the Bunker Hill references. What it does is bring up references to things that have the two words side by side. Other search engines you can try are http://www.northernlight.com http://www.dogpile.com http://www.altavista.com and http://www.alltheweb.com When searching these sites, if you get too many hits, try putting in a date or range of dates like 1880-1900, a place or occupation and see if you can narrow it down some. Search http://ancestry.com http://www.genealogy.com http://www.heritage.com for census indexes. This may lead you to a specific place. Then you can go to the vital records office for that place. Try public libraries for the area or town. Many have reference librarians that answer email and will help you locate new places to look. Also, try historical societies for the area and see what records they may have and if they have anyone that can do research for you. Are you in a place where there is a Family History Library? Usually located in the phone book under the Mormon church or Church of Latter Day Saints. They will help you a lot. Try the Colorado State Archives http://www.archives.state.co.us Incidentally, this same URL with the abbreviation for the state (i.e.. MO for Missouri) is quite likely to be the state archives for any state. Good luck. Bette Subject: Re: search sites Bette: You are a very active participant to this list site. Maybe you can help. I am looking for info in Colorado - the Denver area. It's not a BUNKER. But I thought there might be someone on the list who could head me in the right direction. I'm looking for some births, a marriage, and death/buriel of some folks there. I tried the GenWeb. Not much luck there. Nancy

Are you Brits rolling in the snow over there? It rained a bit in Tucson today but hardly enough to wet down the dust. 2002 we had only about 9" of rain and that is 4" below average. The year before was the same so we are so very dry. No good wildflowers again this year so maybe we will get lucky and have more rain next winter to give us a nice bunch of wildflowers when the BFA is here in 2004. Nothing is more beautiful than the desert covered in wildflowers. In a good year we have acres and acres of them. It got so warm the mockingbirds are singing and the roses are blooming. They think it is spring. Bette

Hi All: Bette Bunker Richards has provided links to a number of web sites that are helpful in obtaining information from public records about people in your family. Here's another ... http:\\www.searchbug.com If you care to take it for a test drive, you can use Wayburn Thompson in Vancouver, Washington as a test case. Were you to do so, you'd find the man's middle name is Claire. He happens to be the g-grandnephew of Mary Ann Clair (Mrs. Hiram F. Bunker). The age is somewhat imprecise - accurate to the month. You'd find he's 76 (acutaully he's 75 - until later this month). Best regards H.A. Kippenhan, Jr. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

In the index to the British 1881 census, Dudly Bunker is shown born 1833 in U.S.A. , no state shown, living as a border in London. Does anybody know of him and what happened to him ? Did he stay in England to enjoy the beautiful , wet weather? First snow in London today , more forecasted tomorrow, temps down to -3 at night . I'm hibernating! Brian Bunker, England.

Our friend Dudley Bunker (RN5025), son of Dudley, was born 5 Dec 1833 in Trenton, Maine m. after Jun 1860 Elizabeth Harding, d. Trenton, ME 1917. Shows up in 1850 and 1860 census in Trenton. I have not checked the 1880 one. Must have been visiting and got sick and tired of your London fog and came back to Maine fog. ;-) Bette -----Original Message----- From: Brian Bunker [mailto:bbls23237@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 12:09 PM To: BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Dudly( that's how it's spelt) Bunker In the index to the British 1881 census, Dudly Bunker is shown born 1833 in U.S.A. , no state shown, living as a border in London. Does anybody know of him and what happened to him ? Did he stay in England to enjoy the beautiful , wet weather? First snow in London today , more forecasted tomorrow, temps down to -3 at night . I'm hibernating! Brian Bunker, England. ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files).

I just received the latest version of Dick Eastman's newsletter. In it are articles about new programs and other good information for genealogists. In my opinion this is the best of the newsletters and good information even if you don't ordinarily like newsletters. The basic version is free and excellent. For a small fee you can get an expanded version but Dick is ok with you getting just the basic version. To see the latest edition and to find out more about Dick and the newsletter go to http://www.rootsforum.com/newsletter I highly recommend it. Bette

If you are looking for information about gen. and hist. societies try http://www.familyhistory.com/societyhall/main.asp An interesting site about Jewish people http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/index.jsp Finding people http://www.virtualchase.com/people/public_records.html This site is chock full of information. Bette

Bette Richards wrote: > The 1966 volume of Who's Who in America lists John Arthur Bunker, b. Sibley, > IA, 7 Jan 1902, son of John N and Elva Fortune Bunker. He was a civil > engineer for the Union Pacific Railroad and for the Missouri Highway > commission. He was living in Omaha, Nebraska in 1966. Does anyone know > anything about him? We do not have him or his parents in the BFA database. We have an entry (DATED 12/89 #24024) for Jacob L. Bunker with no further information other than he had 4 children: Ann M; Eliza F; Henry L; John N (#29864). There is another entry for Jacob L. (dated July 2000, #29898) that gives no further information other than that he had a son John N. (#24087). I had nothing to do with the 1989 entry, but may have made the 2000 entry except that I have ZERO recollection! They could be duplicates, for all I know. mg > Also listed is Norman J. Bunker, librarian b. Lansing, MI Oct 2, 1918, son > of Jed Jerry and Iva Wasson. He was in several libraries in Michigan and in > 1966 at Northern Michigan College, Marquette, MI. Again we do not have this > family in the BFA database. I find Jed J. Bunker with his wife Iva M. and > son Norman in the 1930 census in Lansing, MI and Jed J. Bunker in the SSDI > b. 29 Oct 1887, d. Feb 1970 Lansing, MI. Any of you MI Bunkers know who he > is? > > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files). > > >

The 1966 volume of Who's Who in America lists John Arthur Bunker, b. Sibley, IA, 7 Jan 1902, son of John N and Elva Fortune Bunker. He was a civil engineer for the Union Pacific Railroad and for the Missouri Highway commission. He was living in Omaha, Nebraska in 1966. Does anyone know anything about him? We do not have him or his parents in the BFA database. Also listed is Norman J. Bunker, librarian b. Lansing, MI Oct 2, 1918, son of Jed Jerry and Iva Wasson. He was in several libraries in Michigan and in 1966 at Northern Michigan College, Marquette, MI. Again we do not have this family in the BFA database. I find Jed J. Bunker with his wife Iva M. and son Norman in the 1930 census in Lansing, MI and Jed J. Bunker in the SSDI b. 29 Oct 1887, d. Feb 1970 Lansing, MI. Any of you MI Bunkers know who he is? Bette

Bill, Sorry I didn't respond sooner, it's been a busy day. We do have your family on file, but only back to Robert Bunker (RN=21882), your great grandfather. We have many descendants on file, but the list has not been updated for about five years. That would include the marriage/s of your children. A descendant's chart of Robert was published in the Banner in Nov 1997, p.1007-10, did you receive that copy? Send me you home address and I'll forward a "re-up" package. Thanks for the query, and Happy New Year. gil -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Detling [SMTP:ddetling@greencity.org] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 2:06 AM To: RNBDAD@aol.com Cc: Bunker-L@rootsweb.com; Gil Bunker Subject: Re: Looking for Bunker Family connections At 12:26 AM 1/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: >If you are among those listed for contacting for Bunker Family Information >then I am trying to do just that. I was a member years ago but my moving >and raising a family -- it just got overlooked and dropped. I have no >idea of which branch we would be connected, too! > >Subscribe. My branch of the Bunkers is unconnected but listed in the >BUNKER GENEALOGY by Edward Morgan, Jr. Volume 2 with information listed on >pages 256 (Alton / father), 262 (Purvis / Grandfather) and 262 >(Great-grandfather / Robert), William (this is my family) 263. I know >that they lived in Tillsonburg, Ontario, Canada and moved there from the >East coast after the Revolutionary War. My Grandfather immigrated into >the USA through Alpena, Michigan From there to Bremerton, >Washington. Bill Bunker Bill, I will subscribe you to the Bunker-L mailing list, and forward this message to the list and to Gil Bunker, President of the BFA, who can send you more information re: your family and rejoining the BFA. Doug