We were talking about Plymouth County, Massachusetts back in the 1600's. I am trying to figure out which cities were there so I can determine if it would be wise to buy a new CD on Plymouth co., MA court records. Bette -----Original Message----- From: Mary-Gene Page [mailto:mgpage@unlimited.net] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:13 PM To: BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Plymouth Co Dear Mike, I must have missed a message - I don't remember one about Plymouth County. The original Dover Line of Bunkers shows up in Plymouth, England, area. Actually, Slapton, Devonshire, England. He settled in Dover, NH. MJDiers@aol.com wrote: > What State is this Plymouth Co. in, as there Bunkers from Plymouth Co., Iowa? > Mike > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files). > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files).

Dear Mike, I must have missed a message - I don't remember one about Plymouth County. The original Dover Line of Bunkers shows up in Plymouth, England, area. Actually, Slapton, Devonshire, England. He settled in Dover, NH. MJDiers@aol.com wrote: > What State is this Plymouth Co. in, as there Bunkers from Plymouth Co., Iowa? > Mike > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files). > > >

NEHGS has produced a CD of Plymouth County Court Records, 1686-1859. I am wondering whether it would be worthwhile for us to have. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the history of the area to make a determination. Do any of you know what towns were in Plymouth county during the era 1686-1859? The CD costs $39.99 so I am not anxious to buy it if there would be little or no useful information on it. Anybody got any ideas? Bette

Mary Gene found a record listing George Bunker and Jane Geoffrey. I have made a search and found an Edward Gofry named as a freeman 22 Nov 1652 in MA. Edward Jeoffries is listed as a founder of New England. He died 25 May 1683 from falling overboard in a canoe and his will was probated 27 Jun 1683 in Essex, MA. He was from "Devon County, England". Could our elusive Jane Godfrey Bunker have been a daughter of this man? Does anyone have access to the probate records of Essex County, MA for this period? It would be interesting to see what his will says. Jane Godfrey Bunker Swain was born about 1625 and died about 1662. Edward Gofry named as a freeman in 1652 could also have been of an age to be Jane's brother or father. George Bunker had a daughter baptized in England (Elizabeth) in 1648. He moved to America in about 1650. He was in Essex Co., MA in 1652 when his daughter Mary was born in Topsfield. The different spellings for Jeffrey I came across were Geoffrey, Gofry, Javory, Jeffery, Jefferys, Jeffrey, Jeffreys, Jeffries, Jeffry. There was a Jane Jeffrey born in MA in 1687 after our Jane had died. She was the daughter of David Jeffries (b. 1658 in England) and Elizabeth Usher who immigrated to America in 1677. I can't find any record of a marriage in America for George Bunker. I haven't found a record of a Jane Jeffrey of any spelling in MA before 1687. But I have only begun to look. Has anyone run across any Jeffrey's in their research? Bette

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Records Preservation and Access Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:48:06 -0700 Resent-From: CA-SACRAMENTO-EVENTS-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:48:13 -0800 From: "Pamela Dallas" <pbdallas@earthlink.net> To: CA-SACRAMENTO-EVENTS-L@rootsweb.com There is a new page on the FGS website dedicated to Records Preservation and Access. They are still looking for volunteers to work on this page and keep it updated. When fully operational and up to speed this will be a great help to researchers around the country who are trying to track upcoming legislation. It's a great concept. www.fgs.org/rpa/ <http://www.fgs.org/rpa/> ==== CA-SACRAMENTO-EVENTS Mailing List ==== How to unsubscribe. Send a message to CA-SACRAMENTO-EVENTS-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe and no additional text. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I just sent a message to the list about David Sylvester's website. I think it is a good site and a discussion group of researchers is a great idea. However, in some of the links David has there is information that the original name was Bon Coeur and the Bunkers of America were originally descended from French Huguenots. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO TRUTH to this legend. The Bunkers were in England long before the Huguenots existed. More specifically, Roger Bunker, the ancestor of both the Charlestown and Nantucket Bunkers, was there before the Huguenots existed and was definitely NOT A HUGUENOT. We have less information about James Bunker's ancestors but it is unlikely that he was a Huguenot either. We are presently running a DNA surname project which may help us understand the relationships between several different Bunker ancestors. Also, please remember that we have German Bunkers, Holland Bunkers, and Chinese Bunkers. The source of the names is different in these cases. It would sure be great to see all the different original Bunkers tracked down. I do not mean this as criticism of David's site or his efforts to provide links to other sites. In the past several people believed there was a Huguenot connection. We have since disproved that idea. I think David's site can lead to a lot of interested discussions and exchange of information that will be helpful to all of us. Bette

David Sylvester has just put up a website with a discussion list for Bunkers, people researching Bunkers, and related to Bunkers. If you are researching these families you might be interested in this site. http://www.mdwsweb.com/genealogy-lists/bunkerlist.html Then there is the message board at http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=an&p=surnames.bunker And the Bunker Forum at http://www.genforum.genealogy.com/bunker/ Gil Bunker, the president of the Bunker Family Association, and I, the historian and keeper of the BFA database, tend to monitor the message board and forum and of course are on this list. Between all of us we ought to be able to solve some of the problems with the Bunker research. Bette

Hi all: On Feb. 01, 2003 Bette Richards wrote ... > >Recently, another correspondent wrote telling me that their computer > >crashed and they lost all their data. I was as usual happy to provide > >the Bunker data for her. However, this always reminds me to back up > >everything and do it often. I lost all my data once too. It was >backed >up and all I had to do is reload it. > >Presently I have a zip drive on which I can load my data and pictures > >which are numerous. The pictures take up lots of room no matter where >I >store them. > >Although I backup my files frequently, what happens if my house burns > >down? I can't put the disks in my car. I live in Arizona and the >disks >don't particularly take to the 180 degrees the inside of my car >can get on >one of our nice warm summer days. I have solved this >problem by sending a >backup disk to a friend out of state. Since she >is also a Bunker and >member of BFA the disk is there if something >happens to me. > >Since I sent her the disk, I have entered hundreds of new records or >made >changes in current files. Some information will still get lost. >Today I >read a suggestion on the Ancestry newsletter that it is really >cheap to >rent a safety deposit box in a bank and store back up disks >there. I >think that is a good idea. But, I must remember to tell >someone where >they are and be sure they have access to the box too. I >also plan on >burning CD's for this. It is less bulky than the zip >disks. > >I hope all of you are backing up your data some place. Just because >your >program automatically backs up the files in another file does not >mean you >have safely backed up the files. If you computer gets hit by >a worm or >virus the internal back up files will go too. If your house >burns down >the computer will melt and probably not operate too well. >Do an external >back up to a floppy disk, zip disk of CD and then keep >it away from your >computer. In a different building. Across town. > >:-0 > >Bette > I have to weigh in here. My genealogy data file is the *M*O*S*T* important file on my PC. I have upwards of 1,250 hours invested in the research that produced that file. I do PC support for a living, so I consider my personal time worth $20 per hour (what I figure I'd make after taxes if I was consulting instead of doing genealogy research). A back of the envelope calculation makes my data file worth $25,000. If you have something with that sort of dollar value, you probably insure it. The insurance policy for computer data files is periodic backups. My data file changes very frequently, so I back it up once a week. And as Bette suggested, there are two copies of the file in the event my home PC crashes. One is at my office, and one is at my sister's. Please heed Bette's advice. Take the time to develop a backup plan; write it down, as a sort of checklist if you will. Then execute the plan. I cringe at the thought that someone on this list has information about Erwin Leroy Bunker (son of Hiram Bunker and Mary Clair) and that this valuable information gets lost because of a lost or currupt data file. Please do regular backups. And one additional tip. Every now and then, *T*E*S*T* your backup. There is nothing more useless that a backup (on ZIP disk, on a CD-ROM, on a cartridge tape) that is unreadable. At my day job, I routinely take a backup tape and select a file from it, and restore it to disk. Then I do a byte-wise compare against the original file. Some times paranoia pays dividends. ;-) Best regards - Kipp - _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Recently, another correspondent wrote telling me that their computer crashed and they lost all their data. I was as usual happy to provide the Bunker data for her. However, this always reminds me to back up everything and do it often. I lost all my data once too. It was backed up and all I had to do is reload it. Presently I have a zip drive on which I can load my data and pictures which are numerous. The pictures take up lots of room no matter where I store them. Although I backup my files frequently, what happens if my house burns down? I can't put the disks in my car. I live in Arizona and the disks don't particularly take to the 180 degrees the inside of my car can get on one of our nice warm summer days. I have solved this problem by sending a backup disk to a friend out of state. Since she is also a Bunker and member of BFA the disk is there if something happens to me. Since I sent her the disk, I have entered hundreds of new records or made changes in current files. Some information will still get lost. Today I read a suggestion on the Ancestry newsletter that it is really cheap to rent a safety deposit box in a bank and store back up disks there. I think that is a good idea. But, I must remember to tell someone where they are and be sure they have access to the box too. I also plan on burning CD's for this. It is less bulky than the zip disks. I hope all of you are backing up your data some place. Just because your program automatically backs up the files in another file does not mean you have safely backed up the files. If you computer gets hit by a worm or virus the internal back up files will go too. If your house burns down the computer will melt and probably not operate too well. Do an external back up to a floppy disk, zip disk of CD and then keep it away from your computer. In a different building. Across town. :-0 Bette

Abram is as far back as we go in this line. I am sending this to the list to see if anyone else might have some more information. Bette -----Original Message----- From: Cwilson999@aol.com [mailto:Cwilson999@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 1:37 PM To: betterichs@earthlink.net Subject: Bunker Hello Bette, Sorry it has taken me so long to respond to you. I have traced my Bunker line back to Abram Bunker, b. 13 Mar 1817 in New York, d. 16 Jul 1860, married Parthena Clark, son Charles H. Bunker. I cannot get any further back than Abram. Do you have him in any of your Bunker lines? Thanks so much, Carolyn Wilson

> Massachusetts Applications of Freemen, 1630-91 > 04 March 1634-5 George Buncar C. R., Vol. I. p. 113. > > > Full Context of Massachusetts Freemen > LIST OF FREEMEN. > page 13 > George Buncar > > >> Description: >> In early colonial America, requirements to vote and hold public office >> included owning land and being declared "free" from bondage. This database >> is a collection of records from Massachusetts for men who applied to be >> designated "free" by colonial courts. Entries often include the >> individual's name, residence, and original source of the information. >> Originally published in 1849 by the New England Historical and >> Genealogical Society, it contains the names of over 4800 men who applied >> for the designation between 1630 and 1691. For those seeking ancestors >> from colonial Massachusetts, this can be an enlightening collection of >> records. Source Information: >> Paige, Lucius R. List of Freemen of Massachusetts. Boston: New England >> Historical and Genealogical Society, 1849. >> > Sharon Owen Systems Librarian Center for Oral and Public History California State University, Fullerton sowen@fullerton.edu 714 278-4635 http://coph.fullerton.edu

here is some more info on George > BUNKER, BUNCKER, BUNCAR, > Source Information: > Pope, Charles Henry. The Pioneers of Massachusetts, np, nd. > George, Charlestown, frm. March 4, 1634-5. Town officer. Gave marriage portion to his son John on his marriage with Hannah, dau. of Edward Mellows, dec. 4 (3) 1661. His wife Goodith (Judith) was adm. chh. 17 (2) 1636; she d. 10 (8) 1648. He m. 2, Margaret How. Her will prob. Dec. 18, 1660, beq. to heirs of her first husband in Watertown. He d. at Malden in 1664. Will prob. 4 (8) 1664; sons Benjamin, Jonathan and John; and three daus. These were Mary, Martha and Elizabeth. [Wyman.] > Description: > This descriptive list of pioneers of Massachusetts was taken from colonial, > town, church and other contemporary documents. It lists over 5000 persons > who settled the colony and were instrumental in its growth. Including > settlers from as far back as the Mayflower, researchers will find birth, > occupation, marriage and death information along with a list of known > descendants. For those seeking ancestors from the colonies of Massachusetts > and Plymouth, this can be a helpful source of information. Extended > Description: > ABBREVIATIONS LIST Acct. - Account. > Ae. - Aged. > Atba. - Able to bear arms. > Adm. - Admitted. > Admin. - Administer, administration > App. - Appointed. > Appr. - Apprentice, apprenticed. > Appl. - Applied, applied for. > Arch. - Archives, or official documents. > Asst. - Assistant, magistrate. > Bapt. - Baptized. > Beq. - Bequeathed, bequests. > b. - Born. > Bro. - Brother. > bur. - Buried. > Cert. - Certified. > Ch. - Child, children. > Chh. - Church. > Col. - Colony, colonial. > Co. - Company, County. > Conn. - Connecticut. > dau., dams. - Daughter, daughters. > Dec. - Deceased. > De. - Deeds. > Del. - Defendant. > Depos. - Deposed or deposition. > Dep. - Deputy, representative. > d. - Died. > dism. - Dismissed. > Eng. - England. > Es. - Essex, (the county of). > Est. - Estate. > Exam. - Examination. > Exec. - Executor, executrix. > Folg. - Following. > Frm. - Freeman, (citizen). > Gen. - General. > Gent. - Gentleman. > Coy. - Governor. > Grad. - Graduated. > Gr. ch. - Grand-child. > Gr. gr. ch. - Great-grand-child. > Gr. - Granted. > Gr. st. - Grave-stone. > Inv. - Inventory. > Mat. - Magistrate. > m. - Married. > Mdx. - Middlesex, (county). > Memb. chh. - Member of church. > Norf. - Norfolk, (county). > Nunc. - Nuncupative, i.e., oral. > Ord. - Ordained. > Org. - Organized. > Plym. - Plymouth. > Prob. - Probate, probated. > Prop. - Proposed. > propr. - Proprietor. > Q.V. - Quod vide, (which see). > Reed. - Received. > Rec. - Records. > Ref. - Referred. > Rem. - Remained, Removed. > Res. - Resided, Residence. > Ret. - Returned. > Suff. - Suffolk, (county). > THE PIONEER TOWNS - SETTLED 1620-- 1650. TOWNS. PRIMITIVE NAMES. DATE OF > PLANTING. ABBREVIATIONS. Andover Cochichewack 1634 And. > Barnstable Seppecan 1638 Bar. > Boston Shawmut 1630 Bo. > Braintree Mt. Wollaston 1635 Br. > Cambridge Newe Towne 1632 Camb. > Charlestown Charltowne 1629 Char. > Concord Musketaquid 1635 Cone. > Dedham 1636 Ded. > Dorchester Mattapan 1630 Dorch. > Eastham Nawsett 1644 Easth. > Duxbury 1632 Dux. > Gloucester Cape Ann 1642 Gloc. > Haverhill Pentucket 1641 Hay. > Hingham Bear or Bare Cove 1634 Hing. > Hull Nantasket 1630 Hu. > Ipswich Agawam 1633-4 Ipsw. > Lynn Saugus 1632 Ln. > Lancaster Nashaway 1643 Lan. > Malden Mystic Side 1649 Mal. > Manchester Jeffrey's Creek 1645 Man. > Marblehead (included first in Salem.) 1630 Marb. > Marshfield Rexhame 1632 Mars. > Medfield Boggestowe 1650 Medfi. > Medford Mead ford 1630 Medfo. > Newbury 1635 Newb. > Northampton Nonotuck 1653 North. > Plymouth 1620 Plym. > Reading Lynn Village 1642 Red. > Rehoboth Seekonk 1645 Reh. > Rowley 1639 Rowl. > Roxbury 1630 Rox. > Salem Naumkeake 1626 Sal. > Salisbury Colchester 1640 Salis. > Sandwich 1638 Sated. > Scituate 1633 Sci. > Springfield Agawam 1636 Spr. > Sudbury 1639 Sud. > Taunton Cohannet 1638 Tau. > Topsfield 1648 Tops. > Watertown 1630 War. > Wenham Enon 1643 Wen. > Weymouth Wessaguscus 1635 Wey. > Woburn Charlestown Village 1647 Wob. > Yarmouth Mattacheeset 1639 Yar. > The total number of ,'Pioneers" on record is about 6,000. Of these the > occupations of only 1,725 were mentioned; 323 being called tillers of the > soil, (including both wealthy landholders and humble plowmen,) 210 house > and ship carpenters, 115 tailors, 103 merchants, 91 ministers, 81 > shoemakerS, 75 sea-captains, 62 weavers, and so on. We have further some > 471 cases in which the records specify the settlers. More detail on > Occupations and Trades can be found within. Brackets, [ ], are used in two > ways. 1. They enclose the authority or source of a statement, or a > reference to some book or document which may well be read in the > connection. 2. They are also used to enclose words or statements which are > believed to be correct, but for which the writer has not found absolute, > documentary evidence. Source Information: > > Pope, Charles Henry. The Pioneers of Massachusetts, np, nd. > > > Sharon Owen Systems Librarian Center for Oral and Public History California State University, Fullerton sowen@fullerton.edu 714 278-4635 http://coph.fullerton.edu

Hi In case this hasn't been passed along I wanted to share the following on George BUNCAR registered as a Freeman in Charlestown. First is information about them and then a list with his name enlarged. Enjoy. Sharon Owen > Winthrop Society-- > The First Freemen of Massachusetts Bay Commonwealth. An alphabetized list > of the Freemen and Officers has been prepared as an aid in the use of the > following rolls. > > Redacted and introduced by Marcia Stewart, > Chairperson of The Winthrop Society > > A primary goal of The Winthrop Society is to determine the identities of > the first settlers of Massachusetts Bay Commonwealth. There are no firmer > grounds for establishing an early settler among the founders of the > Commonwealth than the lists of the first Freemen --- those who applied for > that estate in Boston in October, 1630, and those so sworn thereafter. The > Freemen were the only colonists who were franchised to vote, and the > franchise was not offered to all. One generally had to be a mature male > church-member, and must have experienced a transforming spiritual > experience by God's grace, as attested by himself and confirmed by church > leaders. Therefore, the list of names below represents just a small > percentage of the population. And apparently, a number of qualifying > church-members would not take the oath because they had problems with the > wording. An oath in those times was taken very seriously, as though it were > a promise made directly to the Almighty with ones soul forfeit in the > breach. Numerous persons who are on church and court records of 1630-1632 > did not take the oath until 1634, when the oath was shortened and modified > to replace the persons of the Governor etc. to whom obedience was due with > the impersonal "common weale." Others, such as those who later became > Quakers, objected strongly to oaths in general. One can understand all > their reservations when one reads this "mother of all American loyalty > oaths," below. > > > The Oath of a Freeman, or of a Man to be made free. > > > I, A B, etc., being, by the Almighty's most wise disposition, become a > member of this body, consisting of the Governor, Deputy Governor, > Assistants and a commonalty of the Mattachusets in New England, do freely > and sincerely acknowledge that I am justly and lawfully subject to the > government of the same, and do accordingly submit my person and estate to > be protected, ordered, and governed by the laws and constitutions thereof, > and do faithfully promise to be from time to time obedient and conformable > thereunto, and to the authority of the said Governor and Assistants and > their successors, and to all such laws, orders, sentences, and decrees as > shall be lawfully made and published by them or their successors; and I > will always endeavor (as in duty I am bound) to advance the peace and > welfare of this body or commonwealth to my utmost skill and ability; and I > will, to my best power and means, seek to divert and prevent whatsoever may > tend to the ruin or damage thereof, or of any the said Governor, Deputy > Governor, or Assistants, or any of them or their successors, and will give > speedy notice to them, or some of them, of any sedition, violence, > treachery, or other hurt or evil which I shall know, hear, or vehemently > suspect to be plotted or intended against the said commonwealth, or the > said government established; and I will not at any time suffer or give > consent to any counsel or attempt that shall be done, given, or attempted > for the impeachment of the said government, or making any change alteration > of the same, contrary to the laws and ordinances thereof, but shall do my > utmost endeavor to discover, oppose, and hinder all and every such counsel > and attempt. So help me God. > > Freemen made at the General Court, March 4th, 1634/1635. > Capt. John Mason Hugh Mason George Munnings John Brandishe Samuell Hubbert Edward Dixe Thomas Bartlett George Buncar Robert Blott Richard Kettle William Johnson Thomas Lynd Mr. William Andrewes William Westwood Mathewe Allen Guy Bambridge William Pantry Thomas Fisher John Hopkins John Bridge William Kelsey John Bernard James Ensigne Samuel Greenehill Tymothy Stanley Richard Lord John Prince Edward Winshipp Samuel Greene Joseph Clerke John Wulcott Abraham Newell Richard Pepp Isaac Johnson Christopher Peakes Thomas Woodford Thomas Scott Thomas Boreman Roger Lanckton John Webster Hugh Sheratt Joseph Metcalfe William Bartholomewe Thomas Dorman Richard Kent James Davis John Newegate Mr. William Hutchingson Thomas Marshall Richard Cooke William Netherland Thomas Wardall Richard Hutchingson Frauncis Hutchingson Gamaliel Wate Richard Trusedale Edward Hitchin Robert Parker Joseph Easton John Tylley Thomas Stanley Sharon Owen Systems Librarian Center for Oral and Public History California State University, Fullerton sowen@fullerton.edu 714 278-4635 http://coph.fullerton.edu

Dear Sharon, Thank you so much! It's so nice to have researchers such as yourself alert us to information - you never know whether we've seen it before or not and it's always possible it'll fill in some holes. Mary-Gene SOtoots@aol.com wrote: > Hi > In case this hasn't been passed along I wanted to share the following on > George BUNCAR registered as a Freeman in Charlestown. First is information > about them and then a list with his name enlarged. Enjoy. Sharon Owen > ... > Sharon Owen > Systems Librarian > Center for Oral and Public History > California State University, Fullerton > sowen@fullerton.edu > 714 278-4635 > http://coph.fullerton.edu > > > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files). > > >

Mary Gene has found a reference to George Bunker and Jane Geoffrey. Since we have never looked at Geoffreys for possible parents of Jane we thought it would be a good idea to put this out on the list and see what anyone else can find. Could Jane have been a Geoffrey instead of a Godfrey? I will do some looking as soon as I get time but it is museum day for me. Two different ones. In the morning I am in the 1880's costume and in the afternoon in the 1780's costume with an effort to stay in those eras as far as my actions and speech is concerned. Should get me totally confused. Even more than I usually am. Bette -----Original Message----- From: Mary-Gene Page [mailto:mgpage@unlimited.net] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 9:58 AM To: Bette Richards Subject: Re: George Bunker and Jane GEOFFREY No, I just had time to send you that list of search results. I won't try Geoffreys unless I have a WHOLE LOT of time. By the way, I absent-mindedly sent the same message to the list, but of course Rootsweb would not send it out because it had an attachment. I do think, however, that carrying on correspondence such as this on the list would encourage participation in discussions. mg Bette Richards wrote: > Now that is interesting. Maybe we should look at Geoffreys. Have you > found anything? I have seen this page at NEHGS and input any data that > we did not have but I did not think about looking for Geoffreys. Bette > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary-Gene Page [mailto:mgpage@unlimited.net] > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 5:48 PM > To: Bette Richards; Gil Bunker; BUNKER-L > Subject: George Bunker and Jane GEOFFREY >

At 08:06 PM 1/31/2003 -0700, Bette Richards wrote: >I find George Washington Bunker b. 1840 Huron, OH, d. 1908, Mt. Ayr, >Ringgold co., IA married Mary Sneer. Their son, Everett E. was b. 1877 in >Elston, IA and married Verna. This family is being researched by David >Larkin. His email is larxol@attglobal.net. Also, Vera Madden whose email >is VeraMadden@aol.com. Thanks for the reference, Bette. I have changed net address: larxol@adelphia.net. I saw the original note -- intriguing, because our family lived near Ottumwa. But the dates don't line up for this Everett (my grandfather). He didn't marry until 1899. Perhaps if Jean would post the obituary there might be something there. Dave Larkin

I found a Bunker family in Newton, Jasper Co., IA in the 1930 census. Francis W. Bunker (RN21215) b. 1861 or 1862 in Walcott, IA m. Mary E. Illian. Frank d. 1935 in Newton. Two of his sons are also in the 1930 census for Newton. Ervin L. b. 1893 Kellogg, IA m. Loretta Lancaster and Orville b. 1896 in Kellogg, IA m. Harriet Horn. Francis is the son of that elusive Andrew Melville Bunker whose antecedents we keep looking for. Bette -----Original Message----- From: Gil Bunker [mailto:gilbunker@snip.net] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:37 AM To: BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Bunkers in Appanoose and Wapello County IA Jean, Wow, a lost George Bunker, and an adopted one. You certainly know how to ask difficult questions. George Bunkers we have, too many for me to find an answer. We have no George Everette Bunker and no one named Clinkenbeard, that much I know. I'm certain previous compilers would include the Clinkenbeard name to an adoption entry. First time I've heard that name in 25 years of affiliation with the BFA. I'll forward your query to our membership, just maybe someone has a clue, but I'm doubtful. Our historians may be helpful, but don't get your hopes up too high. Without better data on George, we may be at a loss to help. Sorry I can't offer more positive help. gil -----Original Message----- From: Jean S Powell [SMTP:kellyco3@juno.com] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:04 AM To: gilbunker@snip.net Subject: Bunkers in Appanoose and Wapello County IA Gil, I learned of the Bunker Family Association recently and wonder if you or one of your family members could help me on these Bunkers. I am interested in the Bunker connection to my Clinkenbeard line. These people all lived in Appanoose County IA, near Exline. One of my family members, Alonzo Clinkenbeard and his wife Permelia Wells Clinkenbeard had three children. The parents both died in the early 1890's within 2 months of each other, leaving three orphans. My grandparents, Alonzo's brother George Clinkenbeard and his wife Susie, took Oscar to raise when he was about 4. The Wells grandparents took the girl Ollie she was about 2 and the baby boy George Everett was taken by a BUNKER family. I believe the husband's name was Everett. Anyway they either adopted George or at least changed his name to Bunker. I have his and his wife's obit, they lived in Ottumwa, IA for many years and died there, although we have not found their grave sites. George and his wife Mary had one son, George Jr. and he lived in Newton, IA. If anyone has information about George Jr. (Clinkenbeard) Bunker and his family I would certainly be interested. Thanks, Jean Powell a Clinkenbeard descendant ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files).

The only Bunkers I find in Appanoose Co. are Henry E. Bunker b. 1849 (age 70 in 1920 census) and his wife, Helen M. This Henry was born in IL, his father b. in NH and his mother b. Holland. In 1930 Helen is still in Appanoose Co. but Henry had died. He is in our database RN5985. He died 1924 in Exline. He had several children. Sons William and Clyde were born in Abilene, KS and were the sons of his first wife, Rosalie Hart. We have the names of several children for William but none for Clyde. I find George Washington Bunker b. 1840 Huron, OH, d. 1908, Mt. Ayr, Ringgold co., IA married Mary Sneer. Their son, Everett E. was b. 1877 in Elston, IA and married Verna. This family is being researched by David Larkin. His email is larxol@attglobal.net. Also, Vera Madden whose email is VeraMadden@aol.com. In the 1930 census in Wapello Co., IA is Ray Bunker age 29, b. IA with his wife Garnett. Ray was a driver for Beloit-?. This man would be of the right age to belong to your family but I don't know. I cannot find Ray or Garnet in our database. Charles Lloyd Bunker was the publisher of the Ottumwa Courier from 1957 to 1967. A very distant relation of Henry E. Bunker who died in Exline, IA. Both were descended from James of Dover, NH through Clement and Rebecca Drew. Sorry, I cannot be of more help but this is all I can come up with for Exline and Ottumwa, and Appanoose and Wapello Counties. And I cannot find anything on Newton, IA. I will look some more at the census records and see if I can find any Bunkers in Newton, IA. Bette Richards -----Original Message----- From: Gil Bunker [mailto:gilbunker@snip.net] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 9:37 AM To: BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Bunkers in Appanoose and Wapello County IA Jean, Wow, a lost George Bunker, and an adopted one. You certainly know how to ask difficult questions. George Bunkers we have, too many for me to find an answer. We have no George Everette Bunker and no one named Clinkenbeard, that much I know. I'm certain previous compilers would include the Clinkenbeard name to an adoption entry. First time I've heard that name in 25 years of affiliation with the BFA. I'll forward your query to our membership, just maybe someone has a clue, but I'm doubtful. Our historians may be helpful, but don't get your hopes up too high. Without better data on George, we may be at a loss to help. Sorry I can't offer more positive help. gil -----Original Message----- From: Jean S Powell [SMTP:kellyco3@juno.com] Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:04 AM To: gilbunker@snip.net Subject: Bunkers in Appanoose and Wapello County IA Gil, I learned of the Bunker Family Association recently and wonder if you or one of your family members could help me on these Bunkers. I am interested in the Bunker connection to my Clinkenbeard line. These people all lived in Appanoose County IA, near Exline. One of my family members, Alonzo Clinkenbeard and his wife Permelia Wells Clinkenbeard had three children. The parents both died in the early 1890's within 2 months of each other, leaving three orphans. My grandparents, Alonzo's brother George Clinkenbeard and his wife Susie, took Oscar to raise when he was about 4. The Wells grandparents took the girl Ollie she was about 2 and the baby boy George Everett was taken by a BUNKER family. I believe the husband's name was Everett. Anyway they either adopted George or at least changed his name to Bunker. I have his and his wife's obit, they lived in Ottumwa, IA for many years and died there, although we have not found their grave sites. George and his wife Mary had one son, George Jr. and he lived in Newton, IA. If anyone has information about George Jr. (Clinkenbeard) Bunker and his family I would certainly be interested. Thanks, Jean Powell a Clinkenbeard descendant ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files).

Why do a DNA project? Here is a case study of a group with the surname Norin. We are trying to accomplish much the same by identifying the different Bunker groups so that when someone does not know their ancestry, DNA will tell them which group they are in and where they should concentrate their research. If you are interested in learning more about the project or in joining it, check out our website http://www.bunkerfamilyassn.org or email Bette Richards at betterichs@earthlink.net Spot Light: Norin Surname Project =================================== The Norin Surname Project was started because "26 years of paper research had led no where". The Group Administrator, Bill Norin, had spent many frustrating years trying to find the connection for his family tree to a location in Sweden, for further research. All he knows about his grandfather is that he was born somewhere in Sweden, and his grandfather's father was John. The objective of the Norin Surname Project is determine which Lines are related, and to identify a location for each Line, for additional research. This Surname Project includes Norin and the variants: Noran, Noreen, Noren, Norene, Norine, Norinsky. The first 5 participants are 4 Norin and 1 Noren. They are from Sweden, Russia, and the Ukraine. Three (3) results are back from the lab, and none of the participants are related, nor did any of the participants have any matches or near matches in the Family Tree DNA database. Looking at the Recent Ethnic Origins database, the participant from the Ukraine has exact matches with persons in the Ukraine and Lithuania and near matches with persons in the Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Lithuania, and Germany. For one Sweden participant, the Recent Ethnic Origins database shows a match in Russia with a native Siberian, and near matches in many locations, including Russia, Ukraine, Shetland, England, China, Norway, and Finland. For another Sweden participant, searching the Recent Ethnic Origins database shows a match in Iceland and England, and near matches in Sweden, Iceland, Denmark and England. Not only are their DNA results different, their Recent Ethnic Origin results point to different geographic areas.

Dear Jean, I searched through our Everett Bunkers but found none with a son George. You say you have information on he and his wife - could you give us her full name? (preferably with her maiden name if you know that.) Mary-Gene Page Gil Bunker wrote: > Jean, > Wow, a lost George Bunker, and an adopted one. > You certainly know how to ask difficult questions. > George Bunkers we have, too many for me to find an answer. > We have no George Everette Bunker and no one named > Clinkenbeard, that much I know. I'm certain previous > compilers would include the Clinkenbeard name to an > adoption entry. First time I've heard that name in 25 years > of affiliation with the BFA. > > I'll forward your query to our membership, just maybe someone > has a clue, but I'm doubtful. Our historians may be helpful, > but don't get your hopes up too high. Without better data > on George, we may be at a loss to help. > Sorry I can't offer more positive help. > gil > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean S Powell [SMTP:kellyco3@juno.com] > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:04 AM > To: gilbunker@snip.net > Subject: Bunkers in Appanoose and Wapello County IA > > Gil, > > I learned of the Bunker Family Association recently and wonder if you or > one of your family members could help me on these Bunkers. > > I am interested in the Bunker connection to my Clinkenbeard line. These > people all lived in Appanoose County IA, near Exline. One of my family > members, Alonzo Clinkenbeard and his wife Permelia Wells Clinkenbeard > had three children. The parents both died in the early 1890's within 2 > months of each other, leaving three orphans. My grandparents, Alonzo's > brother George Clinkenbeard and his wife Susie, took Oscar to raise when > he was about 4. The Wells grandparents took the girl Ollie she was > about 2 and the baby boy George Everett was taken by a BUNKER family. I > believe the husband's name was Everett. > > Anyway they either adopted George or at least changed his name to Bunker. > I have his and his wife's obit, they lived in Ottumwa, IA for many years > and died there, although we have not found their grave sites. George > and his wife Mary had one son, George Jr. and he lived in Newton, IA. If > anyone has information about George Jr. (Clinkenbeard) Bunker and his > family I would certainly be interested. > > Thanks, > Jean Powell > a Clinkenbeard descendant > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files). > > >