Forwarding Gil Bunker's reply to the list. Doug >... >Subject: Re: {not a subscriber} William Bunker - Maryland - late 1700's > > >This is probably "The Younger William of Delaware" >(U-20; RN=4256; 1965 BunGen p.152), part of >Henry Bunker's lineage. This line was the first that >Henry entered into the BFA data base, as he was >familiar with the line, but not the computer. This was a good >20-years ago when the memory files were very small.. > >Henry spent nearly 30-years on BFA research and >his lineage, which he suspected was Nantucket. I >know of no proof for the assumption. > >We have many descendants of this William, but no ancestors. >William is listed in various records in Pencader, New Castle >Co., DE, 1780s to his death 19-25 March 1803. Born prob >1755 - 1760 > >gil > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Douglas G. Detling <ddetling@charter.net> >To: <BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: FW: {not a subscriber} >William Bunker - Maryland - late 1700's > > > > I am posting this message to the list, as it came from a non-subscriber. > > Please reply to Bill directly at the e-mail address shown, as well as > > copying the list. > > > > Doug Detling > > BFA list coordinator > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill McNeese [mailto:bill@mcneese.com] > > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 6:38 AM > > To: bunker-l@rootsweb.com > > Subject: {not a subscriber} William Bunker - Maryland - late 1700's > > > > > > > > I have a letter from William Bunker sent from Havre de Grace, MD on August > > 28,1795 to Charles Doughty & Sons in New York. > > > > William Bunker was selling oil and soap in the area and may have lived > > there. > > > > Does anyone know of this William Bunker > > > > Bill McNeese > > bill@mcneese.com > > > > > > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > > Post your information and queries. We love it. No BUNKER rock left >untouched. Spelling variations ok - we don't "know" the original. > > > >

This is probably "The Younger William of Delaware" (U-20; RN=4256; 1965 BunGen p.152), part of Henry Bunker's lineage. This line was the first that Henry entered into the BFA data base, as he was familiar with the line, but not the computer. This was a good 20-years ago when the memory files were very small.. Henry spent nearly 30-years on BFA research and his lineage, which he suspected was Nantucket. I know of no proof for the assumption. We have many descendants of this William, but no ancestors. William is listed in various records in Pencader, New Castle Co., DE, 1780s to his death 19-25 March 1803. Born prob 1755 - 1760 gil ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas G. Detling <ddetling@charter.net> To: <BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: FW: {not a subscriber} William Bunker - Maryland - late 1700's > I am posting this message to the list, as it came from a non-subscriber. > Please reply to Bill directly at the e-mail address shown, as well as > copying the list. > > Doug Detling > BFA list coordinator > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill McNeese [mailto:bill@mcneese.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 6:38 AM > To: bunker-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: {not a subscriber} William Bunker - Maryland - late 1700's > > > > I have a letter from William Bunker sent from Havre de Grace, MD on August > 28,1795 to Charles Doughty & Sons in New York. > > William Bunker was selling oil and soap in the area and may have lived > there. > > Does anyone know of this William Bunker > > Bill McNeese > bill@mcneese.com > > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > Post your information and queries. We love it. No BUNKER rock left untouched. Spelling variations ok - we don't "know" the original. > >

I am posting this message to the list, as it came from a non-subscriber. Please reply to Bill directly at the e-mail address shown, as well as copying the list. Doug Detling BFA list coordinator -----Original Message----- From: Bill McNeese [mailto:bill@mcneese.com] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 6:38 AM To: bunker-l@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} William Bunker - Maryland - late 1700's I have a letter from William Bunker sent from Havre de Grace, MD on August 28,1795 to Charles Doughty & Sons in New York. William Bunker was selling oil and soap in the area and may have lived there. Does anyone know of this William Bunker Bill McNeese bill@mcneese.com

There seems to be some interest in this family. It appears that Robert Bunker was born in either New York or New Jersey about 1814 and married Permilla Harris about 1841 probably in Canada. He lived in Hamilton, Ontario and Winnipeg, which is in Manitoba. You are going to have to find some sources in Canada to learn more about them. Your best bet is to start with http://www.cyndislist.com and go to her links for Canada. The 1881 Canadian census shows Robert age 66 b. USA, farmer with Permilia age 56 b. Ont, Hannah age 23, b. Ont, Robert age 21 b. Ont, Marget age 16 b. Ont, Alexander age 13 b. Ont. in Walsingham, Norfolk South, Ontario. It indicates that Permilia is a "New Brunswickian" which means that her family first settled in Canada in New Brunswick. To see this go to http://www.familysearch.org and on the left side of the page you will see 1880 US and 1881 Canadian census now on line. Click on that and when the new page comes up enter Robert Bunker in the search box. Your Robert is way down on the bottom of the page under 1881 Canadian Census 2. Click on his name. When his name comes up look on the right side of the page. You will see household. Click on that and you will see everyone in his household. Unfortunately, this does not give you any more information about Robert's ancestors or Permilia's but it may help you some. Since Robert was born about 1815, and appears to have married Permilia in Canada about 1841, look at census records in New York and New Jersey between 1820 and 1840. Also look at Canadian immigration records. You should find a link to them on cyndislist. There were unusual names in this family so when looking for any possible father for Robert pay special attention to Nathaniel, Stephen, Mathias, Purvis if you see that name. Also try early histories of Ontario. This is pretty early for most places in Ontario to have been settled so it is possible you will see a mention of Robert's name in a history of the area and that might give you more information. In Canada, at that time, all marriages were done by the churches and the records kept there. Robert and his family were listed as Wesleyan Methodists. This was early for the Methodist church in that area too so look for records in the first Methodists churches established in the area. It is possible that the church will have the names of the parents of the bride and groom. I hope this will give you some ideas on where to look for more information. If you find anything we would sure like to hear from you. Bette -----Original Message----- From: gil bunker [mailto:gilbunker@snip.net] Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 7:11 PM To: gil bunker Cc: Bette Richards Subject: Re: Bunkers Kristen, Unfortunatly, we are stuck there also. We have no data earlier than Robert (U-1000; RN=21882) b 21 Apr 1814 NY. This file was last updated in 1997, so we have several pages of (55) descendants. They are all named Bunker with their spouce listed also. This will help you chase down your Bunker cousins, but we can not help with the others, including the Boland connection to the lineage. I am forwarding cc to our historian who may have some additional data, but don't get your hopes up. If you care, I can forward the data I have and a copy of our newsletter. This will give you a good idea about what we are doing Need your home address gil ----- Original Message ----- From: KLJOHNSTON@aol.com To: Gilbunker@snip.net Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Bunkers Hello I am new to this amamzing hobbyof genealogy. My great Grand mother was Lulu May Bunker Her father was Purvis Bunker b 1863 his wife was Sarah ann Marriot He was a civil war veteran and settled in Bremerton Washington Purvis's father was Robert Bunker born in 1814 his wife was Permilla Bunker This is whwere I am stuck any help would be greatly appreciated Kristen Boland

In 1890 census Samuel Bunker, age 36, b.OH, father b. VT and Mother b. CT, is listed with Louise age 34. B. NY and children Charles G. age 3 b. MI and Tennison age 1 b. MI. They were living in Buchanan, Berrien Co., Michigan. Does anyone recognize this family? In 1850 census a Samuel Bunker age 35 b. NY, was living in Lee, Wyoming Co., Illinois with Livia age 34 b. ME, Vincent age 13 b. ME, Ann age 11 B. ME, Robert age 9 b. ME and Samuel age 3 B. OH. Does this family sound familiar to anyone? Is perhaps the Samuel here the same one listed in the 1880 census in Michigan? Bette

E-mail me at deddle@ix.netcom.com if you would like me to send a Word file with Dudley Bunker and his parents given. Carol C. Eddleman Bedford County Host, PaGenWeb http://www.pa-roots.com/~bedford/ If this volunteer has saved you time and effort, consider making a donation to the Pa-Roots project at Amazon http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/pay/

Thanks Bette for your information. I have checked the U.K. 1881 Census for a likely family in London, but no luck. I will try the 1901 census. Were all the children of Chang & Eng born in the States? If so this will narrow down the search for me. Incidentally, when searching the 1881 census I came across an American 'stray' in London: Dudly BUNKER Master Mariner Born 1833 in the 'State of Maine' U.S.A. Boarder There was another Master Mariner staying at the Boarding House which was quite close to the river Thames. David BUNKER

It appears that the Bedfordshire Bunkers do not match the Devon Bunkers. This means that James of Dover, NH was NOT related to either of the George's that settled in America in the 1600's. We need more male Bunkers to join in the DNA tests so that we can confirm our findings. So far we have had test results back from only 9 men. However, we have learned that James of Dover was related to the Bunkers in Rattery and in Modbury, Devon, England. They were not related to the Bedfordshire Bunkers. At least one German American Bunker is not related to the English Bunkers. We have determined that one Bunker who did not know his ancestor's origin is descended from the Bedfordshire Bunkers. And one man we thought was descended from James of Dover is not. We really need more Bunker males to participate in the tests. If you are male and born with the surname Bunker, check out our website page about the project and please join us. The Bunker Family website is http://www.bunkerfamilyassn.org Scroll down to where it says Surname project and click away. The more men we have, the more information we will have to help those who do not know their ancestral origin. Thanks. Bette

All of Chang and Eng's children and grandchildren were born in America. Thanks for the info about Dudly. Bette -----Original Message----- From: david bunker [mailto:twin.oaks@virgin.net] Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:19 AM To: BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Chang & Eng Thanks Bette for your information. I have checked the U.K. 1881 Census for a likely family in London, but no luck. I will try the 1901 census. Were all the children of Chang & Eng born in the States? If so this will narrow down the search for me. Incidentally, when searching the 1881 census I came across an American 'stray' in London: Dudly BUNKER Master Mariner Born 1833 in the 'State of Maine' U.S.A. Boarder There was another Master Mariner staying at the Boarding House which was quite close to the river Thames. David BUNKER ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files).

I have looked through THE CONNECTED BUNKERS by Jessie Bunker Bryant which is about Chang & Eng and their descendants. I find no reference to any descendant that may have lived in either England or Australia. Many served in WWI and WWII and may have passed through but they all seem to be accounted for pretty well. There is a possibility that one of the sons of James Henry, son of Patrick, gson of Eng may have gone to England. Their names were Robert Henry and John Henry Bunker. They were born sometime after 1912. Jessie did not have any information about them as Patrick had lost track of his children. Chang and Eng had all together 21 children of which 8 were boys. Most of the family still seems to live in or near North Carolina. There are some descendants living in other states but I can not find any in any other country or any others that are unaccounted for. Thanks you for giving me this opportunity to look more closely at Jessie's book. Some day I will manage to get them entered into the BFA database. Bette Subject: Chang & Eng Bunker I live in Bexhill in the U.K. and recently I was asked by a neighbour if I was related to Chang & Eng Bunker of Siamese twins fame. It seemed her grandfather had run a Grocer's Shop in Palmers Green in London and the Sweet Shop opposite was occupied by a son of either Chang or Eng. I asked her to write down what information she had and the following is what she could remember: 'Chang & Eng Bunker 1814-71. The son of one of them ran a sweet shop. He was married and had a 'fairly large' family. The sweet shop was in Green Lanes, Palmers Green, North London. My Grandfather's greengrocery shop was at 157 Green Lanes. Both shops were destroyed in the bombing of World War 2. One of the sweet-shop Bunker's sons went out to Australia. In 1920 approx. In 1920 my Uncle Jim & Uncle Fred went out to Australia and met the Bunker grandson. He was unmarried at the time and said he had no intention of getting married because he was afraid of having Siamese twins.' I would be interested to know which son of Chang & Eng came to settle in London and were there any others? It would seem that some Bunkers in the U.K. are descended through this line and are probably unaware of it. David BUNKER (descendent of Roger of Rattery!) ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files).

The information found by Carol Rathbun was sent to me as a photocopy of a typed transcript of the MAINE Vital Records. It shows Benjamin Bunker, son of Benjamin Bunker and Abigail ADAMS, christened 22 1759 in Cumberland, Harpswell Co, ME. It says Page 466; source Batch 8706501, Serial Sheet 41. I have this information from a message I sent to the Bunker mailing list; I do not find the photocopy itself, however. Mary-Gene Hal Bradley wrote: > Thank you. If you find this documentation, I would appreciate you sharing it > with me. > > Hal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary-Gene Page [mailto:mgpage@unlimited.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 5:19 PM > To: Hal Bradley; BUNKER-L > Subject: Re: Abigail md Benj. Bunker > > Dear Hal, > > Many thanks for your reply; I'll send it on to the Bunker mailing list. > One of our members did find a birth certificate for Benjamin4, son of > Benjamin3 and Abigail ADAMS, so that may be the documentation we need - > or at least the most documentation we're going to find. > > Mary-Gene > > P.S. That site is where I found your email address. > > Hal Bradley wrote: > >>Unfortunately, I have been misrepresented, and it seems that once > > something > >>gets started it is impossible to stop. I have never found documented proof >>that Abigail, wife of Benjamin Bunker was a Goodwin. I saw the assertion > > in > >>print about ten years ago but unfortunately did not make a note as to > > where > >>I saw it. I have not been able to find it again. I tried to verify the >>connection through lands and probate records, but have not been able to do >>so. So for now, Abigail is still unidentified. >> >>I have a website that you are welcome to peruse. You will find that I do > > not > >>have a surname for Abigail. >> >>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/ >> >>Hal Bradley >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Mary-Gene Page [mailto:mgpage@unlimited.net] >>Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:05 PM >>To: hw.bradley@verizon.net >>Subject: Abigail md Benj. Bunker >> >>Dear Hal, >> >>You have been extensively quoted in lineages which include Abigail >>Goodwin as having supplied her surname. >> >>I'd very much like to discuss this with you, including what sources you >>might have found for that information. >> >>Mary-Gene Bunker Page >>Fair Oaks, CA >> >> >> > > > >

I live in Bexhill in the U.K. and recently I was asked by a neighbour if I was related to Chang & Eng Bunker of Siamese twins fame. It seemed her grandfather had run a Grocer's Shop in Palmers Green in London and the Sweet Shop opposite was occupied by a son of either Chang or Eng. I asked her to write down what information she had and the following is what she could remember: 'Chang & Eng Bunker 1814-71. The son of one of them ran a sweet shop. He was married and had a 'fairly large' family. The sweet shop was in Green Lanes, Palmers Green, North London. My Grandfather's greengrocery shop was at 157 Green Lanes. Both shops were destroyed in the bombing of World War 2. One of the sweet-shop Bunker's sons went out to Australia. In 1920 approx. In 1920 my Uncle Jim & Uncle Fred went out to Australia and met the Bunker grandson. He was unmarried at the time and said he had no intention of getting married because he was afraid of having Siamese twins.' I would be interested to know which son of Chang & Eng came to settle in London and were there any others? It would seem that some Bunkers in the U.K. are descended through this line and are probably unaware of it. David BUNKER (descendent of Roger of Rattery!)

Jessie Bunker Bryant does not have email. If anyone want her address, pls contact me off the list. gil -----Original Message----- From: Bette Richards [SMTP:betterichs@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 8:56 PM To: BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Siamese twins in England Anybody out there with Jessie Bunker Bryant's email address that could forward David's message about the English Bunker who was supposed to be a descendant of the twins? I can't find her address. Bette ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files).

Anybody out there with Jessie Bunker Bryant's email address that could forward David's message about the English Bunker who was supposed to be a descendant of the twins? I can't find her address. Bette

Dear Hal, Many thanks for your reply; I'll send it on to the Bunker mailing list. One of our members did find a birth certificate for Benjamin4, son of Benjamin3 and Abigail ADAMS, so that may be the documentation we need - or at least the most documentation we're going to find. Mary-Gene P.S. That site is where I found your email address. Hal Bradley wrote: > Unfortunately, I have been misrepresented, and it seems that once something > gets started it is impossible to stop. I have never found documented proof > that Abigail, wife of Benjamin Bunker was a Goodwin. I saw the assertion in > print about ten years ago but unfortunately did not make a note as to where > I saw it. I have not been able to find it again. I tried to verify the > connection through lands and probate records, but have not been able to do > so. So for now, Abigail is still unidentified. > > I have a website that you are welcome to peruse. You will find that I do not > have a surname for Abigail. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/ > > Hal Bradley > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary-Gene Page [mailto:mgpage@unlimited.net] > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 3:05 PM > To: hw.bradley@verizon.net > Subject: Abigail md Benj. Bunker > > Dear Hal, > > You have been extensively quoted in lineages which include Abigail > Goodwin as having supplied her surname. > > I'd very much like to discuss this with you, including what sources you > might have found for that information. > > Mary-Gene Bunker Page > Fair Oaks, CA > > >

I searched RootsWeb's WorldConnect for Abigail Goodwin and found eleven matches, some of which were from the same person. Aside from the fact that some lines showed all of Benjamin's children and some showed only an Abigail as a daughter, there was another deviation. Our BFA research shows that Abigail4 BUNKER (dtr of Benjamin and Abigail) married Reuben SALISBURY of Mt. Desert. Some lines on World Connect showed that daughter as marrying Gideon WALKER. There was an error there. Gideon Walker married Abigail BUNKER (RN 10149) dtr of Elijah (D-9) and Judith. This Abigail was baptized in 1756 and the marriage took place in 1775. Those lineages are completely incorrect, therefore.

When I searched further, using the file sent to me by Roser, I saw that it was from Chuck Liebow's website, and I had already contacted Chuck about Abigail's surname. I then searched for the Hal Bradley who is cited as having provided the information. The results I got are confusing, because I couldn't tell for sure whether the link was to the site for Hal Bradley himself or not. At any rate, I found one which I believe is his site, but when I searched it for Abigail Goodwin, it did NOT show her as being married to Benjamin Bunker. In other words, I cannot find anywhere that he provides Banjamin's wife Abigail's surname. (That's not to say that he didn't do so elsewhere, because a number of the sites cite him for various bits of information in the James Bunker descendancy lists.) I have emailed him for further information, so maybe I'll find out what it's all about. Mary-Gene

For those of you who are looking for obituaries in Southern California try http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~socalobituaries It will give you some good tips on doing just that. If you are doing research in New Jersey and not just shoveling snow there right now try http://www.njstatelib.org/cyberdesk and click on searchable New Jersey publications. It is temporarily unavailable but should be back up shortly and might have just what you need. As usual I got these and some other great stuff from Dick Eastman's newsletter at http://www.rootsforum.com/newsletter The standard edition is free. For a little fee you can get the plus edition with some more good articles. If you are looking for people that immigrated to America from Baden try http://emigration-offenburg.de/english_code/greet_1.php You have to register for this one but registration is free. Try also http://www.offenburg.de/ which is in German. A history of the Moravian Church with transcribed records is at http://www.awesomegenealogy.com/moravians.shtml Scroll down past the Ancestry box to the Moravian Vital Records. This one has some great links. Les Filles du roi migrated to Canada between 1663-1673. These were marriageable women financed by the government to provide wives for the settlers. http://www.civilization.ca/vmnf/popul/filles/s-fil-en.htm Here are some pictures, names and information about Irish who died in U.S. uniform during the Korean War. http://www.irishinkorea.org and http://www.illyria.com/irishkor.html A really great WWI site for Canadians that died during the war is http://www.archives.ca/02/02010602_e.html This one has the actual enlistment records of each person. It also has some good links to other sites. Bette

This message was sent to the list, but from a non-subscribing e-mail address. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Knutson [mailto:boris@terracom.net] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:39 PM To: BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com Cc: MJDiers@aol.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: Plymouth Co Mike: I believe it was Betty who was inquiring on the cd with Plymouth county records, 1686 on, this was Plymouth county in Plymouth colony, now part of Massachusetts, there were originally 3 counties in Plymouth colony: Plymouth, Bristol and Barnstable; Dukes and Nuantucket were originally part of New York, but keep in mind that Bristol county and the mainland portion of Newport county in Rhode Island were originally part of Bristol county in Plymouth colony. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: <MJDiers@aol.com> To: <BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: Plymouth Co > What State is this Plymouth Co. in, as there Bunkers from Plymouth Co., Iowa? > Mike > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > Want more information on the Bunker Family Association? Send an e-mail message to gilbunker@snip.net and receive our current newsletter, and a pedigree chart of your Bunker ancestors (if they can be located in our files). > >

What State is this Plymouth Co. in, as there Bunkers from Plymouth Co., Iowa? Mike