This is a great history lesson on the growth of the country: http://www.animatedatlas.com/movie.html Douglas G. Detling (ddetling@greencity.org) 725 Royal Ave. #81, Medford, OR 97504-6449 (541) 301-1025 . eFax (815) 366-9121

This is a fun site. Great stories, lots of information. We had some Bunkers that were shipped to Australia as convicts and also a captain (Eber) who took them there. Although he usually was commanding a whaler, his ship was used at least once to transport convicts. http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/index.html Bette

Hi all: From time to time, questions / issues regarding backups appear on this list. There are recent products offerings (JunpDrive by Lexar, Cruzer by SanDisk, etc.) that may offer a more flexible solution to backups. I just purchased one of the SanDisk 256 Mbyte products for $45 (after rebate). When the unit is plugged into a USB port (W98, W2K, WXP) it appears as a removable disk (just like a ZIP drive). No drivers or software need be loaded. You just start copying files to it as if it were a big, fast, and quiet floppy. No power supply to consider as the unit is powered through the USB port. When you want to remove it from your system, you click on the appropriate icon in the Microsoft 'systray' and stop the hardware. Then you just pull the device out (about the size of a small lighter) and put it in your pocket. The SanDisk (I can't speak for other products) has a switch so that it can be write locked. The idea here is the unit can be used to accumulate enough data (e.g. - incremental backups of your genealogy database file) so it makes burning a CD worthwhile. While CD blanks are inexpensive these days (OTOO - $0.33 each), I balk at burning a CD (capacity of 650 Mbyte) to hold only 10 Mbyte of data. Perhaps it's the hint of Scot in my ancestry. ;-) No intent to endorse SanDisk, Lexar, or any of the other vendors of these handy devices. Best regards H.A. Kippenhan, Jr. _________________________________________________________________ Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

On the roots list today someone gave this website for information about railroad retirees. It's a good one. http://www.rrb.gov/geneal2.html It gives all sorts of information and good links for researching railroads and the workers on them. Bette

Many of us with ties to New England also have ties to whalers. This is an interesting site on this subject. http://www.whalingmuseum.org Be sure to click on research at the top of the page too. Bette

Cousins, The answer is W. B. Bunker MD of Winslow, Illinois in 1886. What is the question? Ok, so this isn't Jeopardy, but you get the idea. gil

Hi all: Once again, I need to express my gratitude to Bette Bunker Richards for the very helpful hint. The engineer in me had to take the web site for a quick test drive. I used William Clair (14th Illinois Cavalry), brother-in-law of Hiram F. Bunker as a test case. There he was. Just for chuckles, I decided to look at the entire roster of the 14th Illinois Cavalry. I found a man named John Bardin. William B. Clair's wife was Caroline Bardin. Then I went looking for Bardin's in the 92nd Illinois Infantry - the unit in which Hiram Bunker, Hollis Bunker, and Davis B. CLair served. And I found a Collin Bardin. My guess - Collina Bardin & John Bardin are Caroline Bardin's brothers! Another string on which to tug. The trail of the Bardin's has been most elusive. Bette, once again thank you!!! Best regards H.A. Kippenhan, Jr. _________________________________________________________________ Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com

On the website for Civil War information that I sent earlier, there was as a confederate prisoner at Ft. McHenry, Eli Bunker captured at Gettysburg 3 July 1863 and incarcerated at Ft. McHenry on July 6th. Eli served in Co. D of the 52nd North Carolina. Who was this man? He was NOT one of the sons of the twins. Most of the Bunkers in NC in that era were. Many of the Bunkers in NC in that era were Black but I doubt that one of them served in the Confederate Army and if he did that he would have been imprisoned. Many Southern Blacks followed their masters to war during the Civil War but when they were captured, they were given their freedom and not incarcerated as prisoners of war. Does anyone know who this man was? Bette

Most people know about Adobe Acrobat for making files that are readable on any computer that has the reader provided by Adobe. The reader is free but the program to write the file is not. Here is a program that writes PDF files and it is free. http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/ About a week ago, Kipp sent us another site for a free program that writes PDF files. It is http://www.pdf995.com Bette

There are many websites for information about the Civil War. Here is one that has soldiers, sailors, battles, cemeteries, regiments, Medal of Honor recipients, and prisoners. http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/ Bette

The information about the reunion in Tucson in Mar 2004 is now on the website, thanks to our webmaster, Doug Detling. However, I goofed on the registration form and the deadline for the Tombstone and Karchner tour is Oct 30. Tickets for tours of Karchner Caverns are hard to get and reservations need to be made well in advance so that we all get on the same tour. Actually if enough people sign up we will fill more than one tour. We should do that as I am already receiving registration forms. The tours start every 20 minutes and last about an hour. There is a little museum and a very interesting slide show to enjoy while waiting. Gift shop too, of course, and a lovely little garden. I love caves and have visited many in the US. I have never seen one as beautiful as Karchner Caverns. It was discovered some time ago and the people who discovered it kept it secret for many years in order to be sure it was not destroyed. The Karchners, who owned the land, also kept the secret. It was about 20 years before arrangements could be made to develop the cave for public visits in such a way that the cave would continue to live and grow. The state now owns it and they are very picky about how many people get to go in, what goes inside, etc. I am sorry for the goof up. Late registrations for this tour will get you to Tombstone and the outside of the cave but maybe not inside for a tour because tickets may not be available after Oct 30. Bette

Cousins, This is an improvement over William Dollarhide's method (BunBan p.1123) pub in 1999. However does this magic number work for the Julian Calendar? Remember Colonial America changed to the Gregorian Calendar in September 1752 and dropped eleven days from the month, plus the first of the year was changed from March 25th to January 1st. All right class. Pencils ready? Begin. gil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary-Gene Page" <mgpage@unlimited.net> To: <BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:38 PM Subject: [Fwd: [POWELL] Fwd: [AR-CEM] How to calculate birth dates] Passed on to me from Rev Jim Crowe, and sent to ya'll with his permission Great info!! HOW TO FIGURE A BIRTHDATE REMEMBER THIS NUMBER: 8870 This is not an error: It is the number to remember when you want to find the birthdate of someone when you only have the date of death and age. How do you figure the birthdate? Suppose the person died May 6, 1889, at the age of 71 years, 7 months, 9 days. 1. Write the year, month, day as: ------------ 18890506 2. Subtract the age at death: --------------------- 710709 3. This gives the figure: ------------------------ 18179797 4. Now subtract 8870: -------------------------------- 8870 5. The result is: ---------------------------------- 18170927 Year 1817, 9th month (Sept), 27th day or 27 Sept, 1817 Charlie Ward

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [POWELL] Fwd: [AR-CEM] How to calculate birth dates Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:57:10 -0600 Resent-From: POWELL-L@rootsweb.com Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:57:14 -0400 From: "Scott Jones" <jyrene@hotmail.com> Reply-To: POWELL-L@rootsweb.com To: POWELL-L@rootsweb.com >From: CCCharlie1@aol.com >Reply-To: AR-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com >To: AR-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AR-CEM] How to calculate birth dates >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:23:33 EDT > >Passed on to me from Rev Jim Crowe, and sent to ya'll with his permission >Great info!! > >HOW TO FIGURE A BIRTHDATE > >REMEMBER THIS NUMBER: 8870 > >This is not an error: It is the number to remember when you want >to find the birthdate of someone when you only have the date of >death and age. > >How do you figure the birthdate? > >Suppose the person died May 6, 1889, at the age of >71 years, 7 months, 9 days. > >1. Write the year, month, day as: -----------> 18890506 >2. Subtract the age at death: ----------------> 710709 >3. This gives the figure: ------------------------> 18179797 >4. Now subtract 8870: --------------------------> 8870 >5. The result is: -----------------------------------> 18170927 > >Year 1817, 9th month (Sept), 27th day or 27 Sept, 1817 > > >Charlie Ward > > >==== AR-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== >If you wish to unsubscribe from the Arkansas Cemetery list, send only the >word >UNSUBSCRIBE to AR-CEMETERIES-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the >Digest >List to AR-CEMETERIES-d-request@rootsweb.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ High-speed Internet access as low as $29.95/month (depending on the local service providers in your area). Click here. https://broadband.msn.com ==== POWELL Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Powell surname list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to Powell-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the digest list to Powell-d-request if you are on the digest list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

>From: Genrit <genrit@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: AR-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com >To: AR-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [AR-CEM] American War Birthdate Guide >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:26:36 -0700 (PDT) > >Often times a monument will have USArmy or USNavy but >will not have which war they were in. This chart is a >rough guide as to which war they participated in. > > AMERICAN WARS FROM 1791 to PRESENT > > > > Quasi War 1791 - 1800 > > Navel War w/France > > Approx Birthdates of Inductee's 1760 - 1776 > > > > War of 1812 1812 - 1814 > > Conflict w/Canada > > Approx Birthdates of Inductee's 1774 - 1797 > > > > Mexican War 1846 - 1848 > > War w/Mexico > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1807 - 1832 > > > > Mounted Cavalry 1850 - 1917 > > United States Army > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1810 - 1902 > > > > Civil War 1861 - 1865 > > USA vs CSA > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1821 - 1848 > > > > Spanish War 1898 - 1898 > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1858 - 1883 > > > > World War I 1917 - 1918 > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1873 - 1902 > > > > World War II 1941 - 1945 > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1901 - 1926 > > > > Korean Conflict 1950 - 1957 > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1910 - 1945 > > > > Vietnam Conflict 1959 - 1975 > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1920 - 1957 > > > > Desert Storm 1990 - 1991 > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1950 - 1978 > > > > Iraqi Freedom 2003 - > > Approx Birthdate of Inductee's 1985 - > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > >==== AR-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== >NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political >announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, >etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for >removal. >Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett >kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Help protect your PC. Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ==== POWELL Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Powell surname list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to Powell-l-request@rootsweb.com or if you are on the digest list to Powell-d-request if you are on the digest list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Here is a copy of a very good article that appeared in the New England Historic Genealogical Society newsletter. It clearly shows why some people find things in the census that others do not. This is a free newsletter that gives a lot of information about New England people. To subscribe or view past issues www.newenglandancestors.org/articles/research/?page_id=659&attrib1=1&seq_num =6. Note the long URL that ends with =1&seq_num=6. You may have to copy and paste it. This also answers the query about whether one can find a female with only her first name and that of her daughter. Bette Online Census Indices — Advantages and Limitations by NEHGS Reference Librarian Christopher Challender Child With the gradual addition of the 1900 census to the heritagequestonline.com website, there is currently some form of an online index for every census from 1790 to 1930 (except the 1890 census, which was destroyed). However, finding your ancestors in online censuses is not always as quick and simple as some might think. Most of these indices are by head of household only, with the exceptions being the 1880 census on familysearch.org and the 1930 census on ancestry.com, both of which have every name indices. It is important to note the advantages these search engines can have. The main advantages of a book index are its convenience and the ease with which a researcher can find names with alternative spellings, or even alternative names (i.e. Mary/Polly). For instance, if you cannot find a "James Child" you could look on the same page for similar names such "Jas Child" or "James Childe" or "James Childs." With an online index, it is often necessary to type in the name exactly as it is written. However, many of these indices have advantages over a book index. Some people were not listed by their real names or often their names were spelled incorrectly. The familysearch.org results include spelling variations, which can help locate these normally hard-to-find people. This database has an additional advantage in that users can search for someone via their head of household. When I used the 1880 census on familysearch.org for my ancestor Mary Rosella Through in Pennsylvania, I didn't find anything when I searched for her by name. I knew she was born in Ohio and her mother was Anna (Sampson) Through. I also knew that her father left or died when she was young. I then entered only the first name Mary, and then added the first name of her mother Anna in the head of household field. I selected Pennsylvania as the census state and Ohio as the state of Mary's birthplace. This search was not restrictive to the unusual name, through which perhaps an alternate spelling of the name would not be picked up in a Soundex search. This search produced only three hits. It turned out that my ancestor was not listed under the surname "Through" at all, but Brown. Her mother later married and was widowed by 1880 to a Mr. Brown. Anna is listed with her three "Through children" although they are all listed as Brown. Also in the household is a boarder, "Hubbard Helman," who later became her husband "Herbert Heath Helman." He also would not have been found through traditional searching methods. It can be very difficult to find your ancestor via the index if an indexer misspelled or misread a surname. But these websites offer alternative searching strategies. Searching on just a first name can help you determine where your ancestor is located. Try the more unique first names to learn how the indexer read your family's last name. An online search of the 1920 Kansas census for my great grandfather Alton Challender produced no results. However, limiting my search to just "Alton" produced forty-three results and only one in his residence of Harvey County. He is listed as "Alton Challendar." While this would be much easier to find in a book index, the computer index is convenient and these simple tools still make searches fairly straightforward. Some searches might not be so easy. Searching for my grandmother "Daisy Dolores Horton" in the 1930 census for Kansas proved to be a difficult task. Searching on both "Daisy" and "Dolores" did not produce results, even when I broadened it to a Soundex search. I did not know the county she was living in at the time, so this proved to be more difficult. I then added the estimated age of Daisy into the search and found her listed as "Daisy Delaie Haton" in Westminster, Reno Co., Kansas. Haton would be very far away from Horton in a book index. This shows some clear advantages to the Internet searches. The search options offered by the familysearch.org 1880 census index can also be utilized to determine who a daughter married — although these searches are often more difficult and the results should always be checked further. Even discovering the maiden name of an ancestor via the 1880 census is possible. An example was when I traced the ancestry of talk show host David Letterman. I found his father in the 1930 census in Stockton, Greene County, Indiana, — Harry Joe Letterman, age 15, b. Indiana. Harry was living with his parents, Frank A. & Anna M., as well as Harry's widowed grandmother, Adalia Letterman, b. Iowa, father born in Ohio and mother born in Pennsylvania. This places Adalia's birth year around 1859 and it also says she married at age twenty-seven, after 1880. I performed an 1880 familysearch.org search for an Adalia, born around 1859 in Iowa, and living in Indiana. I found an Adalia Adams, age twenty-one, living in the very same town listed in the 1930 census. It also showed her parents John and Susan, born in Ohio and Pennsylvania, respectively. I was able to find Adalia's maiden name without her marriage or death record! Internet searches of the census and other resources can have many more advantages than the traditional book index. As search engines become more sophisticated, your long-unsolved genealogical mysteries may become easier to unravel.

www.hatterasonmymind.com This website has pictures of the damage done by Isabel on Hatteras Island where my son lives. You will see that is some cases everything looks just fine and in other places it's a pile of kindling wood. In the 2nd collection is a picture of a motor home sticking out of the roof of the building that it was flung into. Keep in mind that my kids live in a motor home. No one was killed in this area and my kids were 100 miles inland at the time. Bette

Benjamin Chamberlain Bunker (C-7, RN 19670) b. 9 Jan 1731, d. 1810, Charlestown, MA, last Bunker owner of Bunker Hill. Married Hannah Gibson, 11 Aug 1767. Hannah b. Jun 1745, d. 15 Oct 1802 before Benjamin according to our records. She married in 1765 David Frothingham. She was also supposed to have married Richard Trumbull 31 Mar 1775. If this information is correct, why did she marry Trumbull before Benjamin Bunker died? Was there a divorce? Are the dates wrong some place? From these dates she died before Benjamin did. Was she the Hannah that married Richard Trumbull or was it a different Hannah Bunker? Does anybody have any information to clear up this problem? Thanks for any help you can give me. Bette

I just found Darius Bunker, son of Samuel J. and Sarah Elliot Bunker, in the 1880 census. The index lists him as Davis but the image is clearly Darius if you know that is his name. He was in Auburn, Androscoggin Co., ME: Darius Bunker age 53, farmer, b. ME, parents b. NH; Cynthia age 43, b. ME, father b. NH, mother b. ME; Flora R. age 21, teacher b. ME; Ralph S. age 14 b. ME. This is NOT Darius Tuttle/Bunker. The Darius interests me as it so unusual but there were quite a few men named Darius in this era. I wonder why? Bette

Just got this weeks issue of Dick Eastman's newsletter and if you got no other newsletter this is the one you should have. There is a site for UK records, an article on copyrights, free genealogy lessons, etc. http://www.eogn.com The standard issue is free. What can you lose? Bette

Not a casualty, but worth noting that Francis W. (Toby) Bunker was a Navy vet of WW2, present at Pearl Harbor, serving aboard the destroyer USS SELFRIDGE (DD-357) until she was torpedoed in a night action with the Japanese navy during the Solomons campaign in 1943. He helped save the ship and get her back to the U.S. Transferred off to a new ship, a seaplane tender (USS ST. GEORGE), he was aboard her when she was kamikazed during the Okinawa campaign. He survived that one too. Though he was always "Uncle" Toby to me, he was actually my first cousin once removed (my mother's first cousin). Cheers, John Snyder Shropshire, UK