Milt Butcher was kind enough to call me and let me know that the motel for the reunion had indicated that everything was over and people were checking out on the 7th. The banquet is the night of the 7th. If you intend to stay for the banquet, picture and raffle Sunday night it is not likely to get over with until about 10 p.m. and you may need a place to stay Sunday night. 7 people have indicated to the motel that they are checking out the morning of the 7th. All of you that have already registered at the motel may want to check your registrations. Bette

Rootsweb Review had this great site in it this week. It lists those people who died as a result of the big fire in San Francisco, CA in 1906. http://www.sfmuseum.net/perished/ Bette

I meant to send these together but goofed and hit the send button too soon. Another Bunker family found in St. John's, Franklin Co., MO but in the 1920 census was: Martin Bunker, age 65, widow, b. MO, parents b. Hanover, farmer; Martha, daughter, age 31 b. MO; Hugo G. age 30 b. MO; Elizabeth, daughter-in-law age 26, b. MO This Martin is possibly the brother or father of the George married to Hilda that was in the 1930 census in St. John's. Or then again maybe not. Bette

I found the following family in St. John's, Franklin Co, MO in the 1930 census. George Bunker, age 55, b. MO, parents b. Hanover, farmer; Hilda age 50, b. MO, pop b. MO, mom b. Germany Prussia; George E. age 22, b. MO, farm laborer; William O. age 21, b. MO, farm laborer; Laurence L. age 20, b. MO, farm laborer; Mary E., age 18, b. MO, dressmaker; Stephen J. age 16, b. MO; Mercedes A. age 11, b. MO; Martha M. age 9 b. MO. Bette

Here is a new site that is providing links to Illinois sources. http://www.linkpendium.com/genealogy/USA/IL/ This Vermont site is updated constantly. http://www.rootsweb.com/~vermont/MAINGATEWAY.html Bette

Only two Arkansas Bunkers I know are James C (RN=25751) and Joseph S (RN 25752). They are not in my database gil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bette Richards" <betterichs@earthlink.net> To: <BUNKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: researching civil war people > I am looking for a man that died during the Civil War. He was a Confederate > soldier and there are not a lot of lists of those soldiers so my search is > not going to be a cinch. He died Oct 1, 1836 and served with Arkansas > troops. > > 1) Search http://www.us-civilwar.com/battles.htm to see if there was a > battle at that time or shortly before. Answer: not real close. > > 2) Look for regimental history > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9787/milst1.html and look at those for > Arkansas. I learn that his regiment fought in all the battles with Johnson > during 1863. Many of these were little skirmishes. > > 3) A search of possible sites leads me to this wonderful site > http://www.couchgenweb.com/civilwar/ and I do a surname search for Bunker. > Guess what? There he is and as an extra bonus, so is his brother. > > So, if you can't find your ancestor by doing surname searches on the regular > sites, try going for historical ones that tell you what battles were fought > and where, regimental histories as sometimes have rosters. > > Incidently, my guy was wounded in a battle in 1861 but died of disease in > 1863. I got a physical description of him too. This was an easy one but > this is just a little "lesson" on where to look for these things. There is > a multitude of Civil War sites and you can get overwhelmed. Going to battle > and regimental histories sometimes cuts the time down a lot. And sometime > you just have to keep plowing through all those sites, one by one. > > Bette > > > > > ==== BUNKER Mailing List ==== > Post your information and queries. We love it. No BUNKER rock left untouched. Spelling variations ok - we don't "know" the original. > >

Not only is this a great history lesson, it is a great source for trying to figure out where records of your ancestors might be kept. It shows cities, etc. and can be paused, rewound, and generally studied for information that will be very helpful to genealogical research. Thanks Doug for this great site. Bette Subject: 10-Minute History Lesson This is a great history lesson on the growth of the country: http://www.animatedatlas.com/movie.html Douglas G. Detling (ddetling@greencity.org) 725 Royal Ave. #81, Medford, OR 97504-6449 (541) 301-1025 . eFax (815) 366-9121

Dick Eastman gives a review of this site in this week's newsletter. The site has many English records. You can search for free and then if you find something must pay a small fee. To see Dick's review go to http://www.eogn.com and read this excellent newsletter for other information too. For the site for English records go to www.FamilyHistoryOnline.net When I tried to reach this site with a link that started http:// I had trouble getting to it for some reason. It worked fine without the http preface. Bette

FW: My Bunker AncestorCan anyone help Val? gil ----- Original Message ----- From: Alice Rathgeber To: Gil Bunker Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: FW: My Bunker Ancestor ---------- From: Smiffyworld@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:31:35 EDT To: mail@bunkerfamilyassn.org Subject: Re: My Bunker Ancestor Dear Friend I have an Eliza Bunker in my family tree. She was my great, great, great grandmother. She was christened in Ugborough on 9th March 1923. Her father was William Bunker and mother's name was Elizabeth. I think she had an illegitimate child around 1850 who became my great, great grandfather. I know of him as Henry Copeman but in 1854 Eliza married Brandford Copeman in London and I cannot find any birth records for Henry as a Copeman. As Henry was born in Ugborough and Eliza didn't marry until four years later I wonder if either he was illegitimate (if so we'll probably never find out who his real father was) or he was another member of her family's child and she took him on (who knows?) If any of this is interesting to any of your members please contact. Many thanks. Val Smith

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Since I did not get a copy of the last message I sent to the list I am sending it again. I apologize to all that get this twice. The deadline for the Karchner Caverns and Tombstone will soon be here. The tickets for the cavern tour are really hard to get and we have to reserve them well in advance. This is just to remind those that want to go that we need your registration for that tour by Oct. 31 to be sure we can get the tickets. I promise I will not bug you again about this. ;-) Bette

This article came from this weeks Roots Review Newsletter and gives some excellent tips for searching for names that have prefixes such as dit, de, la, etc. This is long but worth it if you have ancestors with these types of names. Bette 1b. SURNAME-SEARCHING POINTERS. Not all search engines are created equally due to the nature of the databases they are designed to search, but you can get the most out of RootsWeb’s mailing lists, message boards, and World- Connect by understanding how each works and planning your surname searches accordingly. A recent letter to the editor outlined some of the difficulties the writer was encountering in searching various databases for the surname St. John and all of its variations such as St John, StJohn, Saint John, Saint-John, and Saint-Jean. The writer also mentioned that the surname is a French Canadian one that might also appear in the context of a "dit" [also called] name such as Guerin dit St. John. Other multipart surnames such as De la Croix and surnames with prefix variations such as Obrien, O'Brien, Obrian, and O’Brian as well as the "Mac/Mc" names, such as McMurray, MacMurray, and Mac Murray, can be equally challenging when searching for them on a message board or in mailing list archives. MAILING LISTS: To search RootsWeb’s mailing list archives, start here: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl When searching these mailing lists, be aware that the search engine considers everything -- periods, apostrophes, hyphens, and even spaces -- as characters. So any variation in spelling in a posted message will result in missing a message that might be of interest to you unless you remember to search all variations. You can do this by using the Boolean operator OR. For instance: StJohn OR "Saint John" may be used as your search term to find either variation of this name. Searching on the term "Saint John" (in quotes) assures that you do not receive hits for each part of the name. The same holds true if you were searching for "de la Croix". French Canadian dit names may be searched by showing the full phrase in parentheses to match the full dit name, i.e. "Guerin dit Saint John" or "Guerin dit St. John" or "Guerin dit St John" or "Guerin dit StJohn". RootsWeb’s mailing list searches are never case sensitive. MESSAGE BOARDS: To search RootsWeb's message boards, start here: http://boards.rootsweb.com/ Make use of the advanced search features by clicking on the link on any message board page. It is especially important, even though the message boards have an every-word search, to search on the surname field where multipart surnames are involved because an every-word search on a name like Saint John will pick up every reference to Saint OR John as well as Saint John; whereas, a "surname search" on saint john will pick up ONLY the surname Saint John. Advanced searches on the surname field can also pick up correctly entered French Canadian dit names by searching on: guerin dit st. john, for example. Doing a general message board search for de la croix will pick up in descending order (order of relevancy) de la croix, la croix, de, la, croix -- the parts of the multi-part surname that are shown separated by spaces. This works, but usually not as successfully as searching on the specific surname field using an advanced search. Message board searches for surnames are case sensitive except for all lower-case searches. Case doesn't matter when posting names -- only when searching. To achieve the maximum number of hits, always use all lower- case searches here. WORLDCONNECT. To search for surnames in WorldConnect, start here: http://wc.rootsweb.com/ In WorldConnect you have a choice of searching for exact matches, which take everything into consideration in matching the surname -- including punctuation and spaces -- or searching using Soundex or Metaphone matches. These are explained in an earlier issue of RootsWeb Review: ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/review/20021030.txt POSTING TIPS. When you are posting a query on a mailing list or message board, or submitting a GEDCOM to WorldConnect, keep in mind the difficulties other researchers might encounter in searching troublesome names. It is best to type in these surnames showing all variations of the spelling used by the ancestors you are researching. If you have found the name spelled St. John, St.John, and Saint John, list the name using all three spellings. Take into consideration that the use or non- use of a space actually constitutes a variation in spelling. If you are preparing a genealogy file for the submission of a GEDCOM to WorldConnect, make use of whatever fields are offered in your genealogy program for recording alternate spellings of the surname so that all of these are recorded. If you are posting to a message board make use of the surname box to record multipart surnames and those with variations as follows using a comma to separate each surname: Saint John, St. John, St.John, StJohn, Saint-John, de la Cruz, O'Brien, Obrien, McMurray, MacMurray, Mac Murray . It is most important that these multipart surnames be recorded in the surname box and not just within the message body to enable searchers to find them more easily. FINDING LISTS AND BOARDS. If you are looking for a surname mailing list or message board for a difficult surname keep in mind that mailing lists for a Saint-something surname are usually named STJOHN, STLOUIS (no spaces), although there are a few lists where the Saint names are shown with a hyphen, such as the ST-LAURENT list. You can check the mailing list index for all variations of a surname at: http://lists.rootsweb.com/ Once you have found a mailing list for your surname, its description usually indicates the variations of the name covered such as: DELOACH -- DeLOACH surname and variations (e.g., DeLoache, DeLoatch, DeLoch, D'Loatche), OCONNELL -- O'Connell surname and all variations (e.g. O'Connell, Connell, Conel, Connelly, Connall, O'Conail), or MCCLEERY -- the McCleery surname and variations (e.g., Clery, Cleery, Cleary, Claree, Clarey, Cleare, Clearey, Clary, McCleary, McClary, MacCleary, MacCleery, O'Cleary, O'Cleery). While it is usually easier to locate a message board using the FIND A BOARD search box in the case of multipart surnames or those that include punctuation, you may find it easier to navigate to them using the index pages starting here: http://boards.rootsweb.com/ Begin with the first letter of a surname, then the first two letters, and finally the first three letters where you will find the list of all boards that start with the three-letter combination. You will find names listed alphabetically in the following manner: Obrian, O'Brian, Obriant, Obrien, O'brien. Names that begin with two letters and a space will be listed under the first two letters rather than the first three, such as: St. John or St Vincent. Punctuation such as a period is ignored and is not treated as a letter. Message board names such as StJohn or StJean, which do not include a space after the initial two letters, are indexed under the first three letters of the name alphabetically. Stjean and Stjohn are indexed under stj while St. and St (space) names are indexed under st only. Same for: De La Croix and De la cruz, which are indexed under de only. DeLaCroix and Delacruz are indexed under del. Message board names that do not contain periods are indexed before those that do. This means that St Vincent will appear before St. John (the first with no period and the second with a period). If you use the FIND A BOARD search box to locate a multipart or punctuated surname boards remember that searches using this box are NOT case sensitive. You may need to search for all variations of a surname to find a specific board. The FIND A BOARD search box will return hits for partial matches on multipart surnames where spaces are included in the name. These tips are provided to help you at RootsWeb. However, you may encounter different surname-searching challenges on the Web and in other databases. But, don't let a little thing like the difference between a Mc, Mac, and a space come between you and finding your ancestors. * * * 1b. ITEMS FROM THE EDITOR'S VIRTUAL DESK. About Dit Names QUESTION. While reading last week's issue, one writer mentioned dit names used by the French-Canadians with their surnames. I have found several dit names in my own ancestry and it so confusing. What exactly does it mean? ANSWER. A dit name was the practice of adopting an alternative surname. It was extremely common in Quebec. The term DIT is a form of the word DIRE [to say] and can be loosely translated as "that is to say" or "called." Dit names sometimes followed the family through the generations, but their use was sometimes inconsistent. Some families always used the dit name in combination with the original surnames, while others used it only occasionally. In many cases the dit name eventually replaced the original surname completely. Consult René Jetté's "Dictionnaire genealogique des familles du Québec” and Msgr Cyprien Tanguay's "Dictionnaire genealogique des familles canadiennes” (Volume 7) for lists connecting French-Canadian names with their possible dit names and other variants. An excellent book for French-Canadian researchers is "French-Canadian Sources: A Guide for Genealogists." It was published last year by Ancestry.com http://shops.ancestry.com/

This is just a reminder that anyone who wants to go on the tour of Tombstone and Karchner Caverns must have their reservation in by Oct. 30th to be certain we are able to get tickets. The tickets are scarce and we need to reserve them well in advance. Thanks. Bette

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I have corresponded with several people of late who believe there was an adoption back in their Bunker line. There is one way to figure this out and that is with the DNA surname test. Gil, after 30 or more years of searching learned that he came from the Bedford line. While we still have not found the connection with his PA ancestors, we have eliminated a lot which makes it easier. I have just acquired access to all the US censuses. If there is someone any of you want me to look up, please ask. I have been doing a lot with the 1930 census. It has an all name index which makes it easy to search. I am finding so many Bunkers that we do not have in the database. A nice thing with this census is that it lists the veterans so I am picking up World War I veterans and Spanish American War vets. With the added information of the people in their household, birthplace, etc. we are better able to find them in the database if they are there. I am combining this with the Bunkers listed on the Social Security Death Index and other state death indexes to which I have access and finding a lot of information about our family. Since Jan 2003, I have added 872 people to the database. I spend about 20 hours a week adding information and researching people for the BFA. That sounds like a lot but I do not watch much TV except the news and NASCAR races so have plenty of time after I teach seniors crafts, manage the senior center gift shop, work at the museum, do historical tours, and take care of the three dogs and one cat. I told you all that so no one tells me to get a life. ;-) I work harder now than I did when I got paid for it. Now though I love what I am doing. I used to love what I was doing but definitely did not like the people I worked with so this is much better. Great fun being retired. And the heat is gone in AZ, weather is great and we can count on another 8 months of it. Whoopee! Bette

This was sent to the Roots list this week. It is such a good site. This and the War of 1812 seem to be sort of "forgotten" wars and do not have as many sources. This one is a gem. http://www.spanamwar.com/geneaol.htm#Rosters Bette

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I am looking for a man that died during the Civil War. He was a Confederate soldier and there are not a lot of lists of those soldiers so my search is not going to be a cinch. He died Oct 1, 1836 and served with Arkansas troops. 1) Search http://www.us-civilwar.com/battles.htm to see if there was a battle at that time or shortly before. Answer: not real close. 2) Look for regimental history http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9787/milst1.html and look at those for Arkansas. I learn that his regiment fought in all the battles with Johnson during 1863. Many of these were little skirmishes. 3) A search of possible sites leads me to this wonderful site http://www.couchgenweb.com/civilwar/ and I do a surname search for Bunker. Guess what? There he is and as an extra bonus, so is his brother. So, if you can't find your ancestor by doing surname searches on the regular sites, try going for historical ones that tell you what battles were fought and where, regimental histories as sometimes have rosters. Incidently, my guy was wounded in a battle in 1861 but died of disease in 1863. I got a physical description of him too. This was an easy one but this is just a little "lesson" on where to look for these things. There is a multitude of Civil War sites and you can get overwhelmed. Going to battle and regimental histories sometimes cuts the time down a lot. And sometime you just have to keep plowing through all those sites, one by one. Bette

Here is an interesting Civil War site. I especially like the pictures and there are scads of links. http://www.americancivilwar.info/ This site has a lot of how to articles (and ads for Ancestry Daily News) The articles are good for beginners as well as the more experienced researchers. http://www.rootdig.com Enjoy. Bette

Eber Bunker also had the job of returning Gov Bligh to England for trial. Bligh was Governor of New South Wales and had had an earlier life as the famous mariner of "Mutiny on the Bounty" fame. I am unable to recall what crime he committed to earn his recall. Murray Reid Auckland NZ