Hi Elmien Thank you for your insights. My grandmother was from Oudtshoorn but had the baby in CT so the first thing to find out, if it's possible, is at what stage she moved to CT. I hope I get the answers one day. Antoinette -----Original Message----- From: buitenposten-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:buitenposten-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elmien Wood Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:16 AM To: buitenposten@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BP] "Non-paternity event" - my unknown grandfather andDNAtesting Hi Antoinette I do apologize for not replying sooner. The sad new is that DNA testing would not solve the problem of who your grandfather was. At present only the male to male to male or the female to female to female line can be traced. The good news is that John Murray would not have been a person who came and went for a short period of time. He would have been a neighbour, an employer, a church friend, a school friend, even a teacher. The first thing to find out is where your grandmother lived when she fell pregnant. If you know how old she was, you can also look at confirmation documents. Maybe someone who researches the Murray family can find a person who was living in the same area at the same time. It would be difficult, but it is doable! And it would be very rewarding. If it was a small community, there will definitely be someone who knew exactly who he was. (I know someone who was born in the ninety twenties, but she is unique.) The minutes of the church might have something on the couple, but they might not have recorded the couple's parents. Good luck! Regards Elmien

Dag vriende, QUICKQUIP:- " Even the rich are hungry for love, for being cared for ,for being wanted , for having someone to call their own. "- Mother Teresa . DEATH:-BARKER Ralph + 11 Feb 2013 x Winsome. Father to Martin & Belinda, Angela & Adrian, Pauline and grandfather. Funeral on 16 Feb 2013 at 11 am at St James Morningside. BRITZ Lynette Phyllis 12 May 1937 ----12 Feb 2013. Mother of Michael. Colette and Marilyn. Grand and great-grandmother. Memorial by DOVES Greyville op 15 Feb 2013 at 10am. DOVES 0860025500. CLARENCE ELS + 11 Feb 2013. Valued member of Victory Christian Academy. Sympathy to Annalize and family. DREYER Lawrence 13 Sept 1949 -----11 Feb 2013 (Tragically) . Sympathy to Glenda, Seth, Nicky, Grant and family from Debbie. Also from Carole. Father of Grant and Nicole. Grandfather of Jade, Gaia, Liam and Jed. EVANS Gwyn Arthur. Son, brother and friend. Memorial at Manning Rd Methodist Church on 15 Feb 2013 at 14:30pm. NAIDOO Phyllis 1928 ----13 Feb 2013 at age 84 years.. Had a private cremation Mother of Sukhthi. Granny of Buck and Louis. Sister of Vassie, Sinthie, Paul, John and Ben DAVID. Veteran activist, freedom fighter and author. OTTO Gerald Ronald . Funeral at Living Waters Church Redhill on 16 Feb 2013 at 10am. PILLAY Nithianandhan (Nithia) x Ranjee. Father of Shalen (LDM) and Pavanesh (Incredible Connection) Brother of Raj, + Joe. Brother-in-law of Danny CHETTY. Funeral on 15 Feb 2013 at Clare Estate Crematorium on 16 Feb 2013 from 2----3:30pm fror cremation at 3:40pm. PRETORIUS Jeanetta Mathilda. Mother of Pat ANDERSEN, Veronica D'AHL, June ANDERSON and Le-Roy JOUBERT.Memorial at City Hill Church Hillcrest on 14 Feb 2013 at 2pm. OAKLEIGH 031 2059959. RUDOLPH Melanie 13 March 1959 ------12 Feb 2013. From RABIE & SILBERMAN families. STANFORD Allan Harry 18 Nov 1953 ----12 Feb 2013 x Caron. Your family Warren, Tanya, Jonathan, Linda, Nathan, Sheldon, Odette and Warren. STEENKAMP Reeva + 14 Feb 2013 in Pretoria (30 years). Born in Cape Town. She was shot. THOMSON nee PRELLER Eunice + 11 Feb 2013. Sister of Gwen and Peter. Mourned and loved by Bob, Gweb and Richard KANTO, Elaine, Paul and Michelle, Lara and Christopher. Now with beloved John and Cindy. VAN GREUNE Pieter Jacobus Johannes. Father of Lily, Pieter and Sandra. Cremation Service at The Presbyterian Church Frere Rd on 15 Feb 2013 at 2pm. Cremation private. AVBOB 031 2061831. MEMORIAM:- BRAUDE nee McGEOCH Sandra Roux + 27 Dec 2002. We miss her from Neville , Sarah & Derrick, Wolfe LOGAN with Pearl, Nathan and Tasha, and Justin with Tersia and Abby and Ryan. LORTAN Allan Michael 2 May 1946 ---14 Feb 2012. Tragically. X Linda. MBONAMBI Cicelo Roger. Would have been your birthday. From Ray, Don, Mannie, Thembekka, baby ,family and friends. MEYER Joy Sheila. 2 years gone now. Wife and Mother of John & Mark. Sister of Colleen. PANDAI Lal + 14 Feb 2012. Mother of son Pravin, daughters Gayethree, Savi ,Shah and Yajni-Behn. Grandmother of 4 and great-grandmother of 2. RICHARDS Edgar Je'an. 1 year gone now. X Deyse. Father of Gerrard, Marcelle, Lance and Martin. SHERRIFFS Jake Lee . Son and brother of Mike, Jay, Brett, Loren and Tamryn. VAN SCHALKWYK Colin. 4 years gone now. Love from Dad, Lorraine and Andre. Gegroet uit warm Durban Rita Quebbemann

Hi Antoinette I do apologize for not replying sooner. The sad new is that DNA testing would not solve the problem of who your grandfather was. At present only the male to male to male or the female to female to female line can be traced. The good news is that John Murray would not have been a person who came and went for a short period of time. He would have been a neighbour, an employer, a church friend, a school friend, even a teacher. The first thing to find out is where your grandmother lived when she fell pregnant. If you know how old she was, you can also look at confirmation documents. Maybe someone who researches the Murray family can find a person who was living in the same area at the same time. It would be difficult, but it is doable! And it would be very rewarding. If it was a small community, there will definitely be someone who knew exactly who he was. (I know someone who was born in the ninety twenties, but she is unique.) The minutes of the church might have something on the couple, but they might not have recorded the couple's parents. Good luck! Regards Elmien -----Original Message----- From: Accounts IBF Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:19 AM To: buitenposten@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BP] "Non-paternity event" - my unknown grandfather and DNAtesting Hi Elmien (Verskoon die Engels maar ek sal nooit dit in Afrikaans kan verduidelik nie!) On the birth of my mother in Cape Town in 1923, the name of her father was given on her birth certificate but her parents were unmarried. I have traced her baptism certificate on LDS and the father's name is also given. Nothing further is known about her father as he played no part in her life at all. The interesting thing is that the address given on the baptism certificate is an address of a foster home where she was cared for; I only discovered this later when I found "protection of infants" files in the Cape Archives. Fortunately, she did go back to her mother when she was about 15 months old (hurray!) My grandmother would not speak about this man (my "unknown" grandfather) when questioned by my mother. We therefore have no clue as to where he came from. When I spoke to a nephew of my grandmother many, many years later once I became interested in genealogy, he said he thought the man in question came from Uniondale or Graaff Reinet. My grandmother's family originally came from Oudtshoorn so this could be true. My grandmother's older relatives (nephews and nieces) have passed away a long time ago; their children don't even know there is a mystery. Now the question : If (and it's a big if), I would like to try and find out more about my grandfather's line through DNA testing, is there any way of doing it as for obvious reasons, we do not know of any male descendants/relatives of this man. (my mother was the only child my grandmother had from him) My mother always had a burning desire to know more about her father but due to her mother blocking all her enquiries she never found out more. My regret is that I didn't take an interest much earlier as perhaps we could have found out something for her. As an only child, she always wondered if she could have had half brothers or sisters as she was very family orientated. The name of the man is John Murray. Antoinette -----Original Message----- From: buitenposten-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:buitenposten-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elmien Wood Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 9:50 AM To: SAGenealogie; Buitenposten Subject: [BP] "Non-paternity event" Wetenskaplik is ’n voorval van nie-vaderskap, slegs dit: êrens in die geslagsregister is die persoon wat as vader aangedui word, nie die biologiese vader nie. Toe die voorval plaasgevind het was minstens die ma bewus daarvan of dalk albei ouers, maar in die loop van die geskiedenis het daardie inligting verlore geraak. Die persoon wat die familienaam dra het deel geword van die oorgedraagde stories, die waardes en die liefde van die familie. Dit is wel baie interessant om die Y-DNA van ’n familie te toets, want dan kan die daardie familie aan persone van die stamland gekoppel word. Daar sal gewoonlik baie min redes wees om die moederskap te betwis, behalwe in gevalle waar ’n kind in die hospitaal omgeruil is. Persoonlik sou ek nie pa-seun toetse doen nie, maar wel neefs, kleinneefs en agterkleinneefs. As daar dan’n nie-vaderskap voorval aangedui word, sou dit tot 1745 teruggevoer kon word. Groete Elmien ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUITENPOSTEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUITENPOSTEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5551 - Release Date: 01/22/13

Sterfgevalle BASSON, Elsie. 04/08/1958 - 11/02/2013. Diens Vrydag 15 Febr 2013 13:00 NG Kerk De Mist, Uitenhage. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 14/02/2013) Navrae: Bossies 041 991 1471 KOTZE, Petrus Lodewikus. +Dinsdag 12 Febr 2013. Ons groet 'n eggenoot, pa, broer, skoonpa, swaer, oupa, oom, kollega. Troosdiens Vrydag 15 Febr 2013 10:00 Bothasrus-gemeente, Despatch. Ds. KUHN. Op versoek van familie, donasies i.p.v. blomme in sy naam aan St. Francis Hospice. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 14/02/2013) Lorinda Potgieter AVBOB 041 933 5471 PIENAAR, S.M. (Suzie). +Dinsdag 12 Febr 2013. Kinders. Roudiens Vrydag 15 Febr 2013 14:00 Evangelisasiesentrum, Cleeveweg, Cotswold. Verassing privaat. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 14/02/2013) Willem Potgieter, Newton Park Funeral Home 041 364 1342 Hester Marx Loerie

Dear Listers I have posted a partial index to Cape Civil Death records on the ZAF-INDEXERS forum. Any corrections and comments are welcome. The link is http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ZAF-INDEXERS/ Regards Moyra Joyce Bedford

Could you also assist in making contact with Kobus en Hannelie Jordaan from Burgersfort in 2002, Regards Sorry correct name johanna violet jordaan Dear Members I am looking for a Johanna Victoria Jordaan (maiden name) (+- 1947-2000). After she gave a baby girl up for adoption in 1979 born in Germiston adopted in Braamfontein. She worked as a nurse up to this stage. She later married. We would like to find her ancestors and her descendants after she got married? Could any one assist please? Kind Regards Marthinus Jordaan

Dag vriende, QUICKQUIP:- " You cannot escape the responsibility of tomorrow by evading it today." - US President Abraham LINCOLN (1809 ---1965) NEWSPAPER only kept for 1 week for photos. WEDDINGS:-APPS Michael-Jon & Tamryn EDMONDS married at Longmeadow Function Venue , Fourways. (photo). BABOOLAL Ashveer & Melissa NAIR married at MTSS Hall Merebank. (photo). BUSANI Lunga & Lerato MAPHUMOLO married at Collisheen Estate , Ballito. (photo) BRUMME Greg & Chelsea married at Izotsha Creek Estate , KZN South Coast. (photo) CHETTY Deshen & Karmani MUNSAMY married at Port Shepstone Civic Centre. (photo) DA SILVA Michael & Sally-Anne married at Shalwyn Estate , Tala Valley. (photo). DUBE Gabriel & Mandisa married at Pennington Hotel, KZN South Coast. (photo). DYER Nathan & Stacy KINSEY married at Providence, KZN Midlands. (photo) ENTWISTLE Steven & Ellysa VAN RENSBURG mrried at Thula Thula Game Reserve, Zululand. (photo) FEATONBY-SMITH Pete & Tracey FARROW married at Maidstone Country Club. (photo). GAFNEY Ryan & Kelly MOMPLE married at St Anne's Church, Sydenham. (photo) GANGAI Ryaan & Saeoma DUTTOO married at Broadlands Conference Centre, Durban. (photo). GOOSEN Gareth & Sian DUNN married at t Luke's Anglican Church, Pietermaritzburg. (Photo.) GOVENDER Kershan & Taryn married at Blessed Sacrament Catholic Church Durban. (photo) . HAASBROEK Laurens & Madre JANSE VAN RNSBURG married at Palm Dune Beach Lodge , Blythdale Beach. (photo). HALLACK Colin & Danielle SMIT married at Crowhurst Manors, Gillitts. (photo) HARIPERSAD Nitesh & Salomie GOVENDER married at the Upper Room Church, Woodview. (photo) ISMAIL Yasheen & Zaidha married at Collisheen Estate Ballito. (photo). JANISCH Claude & Amanda WIENHOLD married at Orchid House , Collisheen Estate , Ballito. (photo) JOEL Alistair & Lesley-Nicole married at The Boathouse, Ballito.(photo). JUGDHAR Ashiana & Vinolan NARAINSAMY married at Kendra Hall ,Durban . (photo). LI Samuel & Nontobeko Noluthando NOMBELA married at The Oyster Box Hotel, uMhlanga. (photo) LIEBENBERG Jessica & Marius married at Lennox Cottage , Dundee. (photo) MacKENZIE Peter & Nicola MERRY married at The Oyster Box Hotel, uMhlanga. (photo). MACKLEY Justin & Kristyl WEATHERHEAD married at Honey Wood Estate ,KZN South Coast. (photo) MALAN Ryan & Shari NAMBIAR married at Coastlands ,uMhlanga. (photo). NANI Thembelani & Nelisiwe married at The Oyster Box Hotel, uMhlanga. (photo) PADAYACHEE Rusen & Tashia RAMPRSAD married at Kendra Hall, Durban. (photo) PILLAY Keslin & Christina married at Collisheen Estate , Ballito. (photo) PILLAY Seshin & Noleen married at Grand Manor Gardens, Tongaat. (photo). QUALE Chris & Robyn married at Michael House Chapel, Balgowan. (photo). SAID Farhad & Najeeda SHA married at Truro Hall, Westville. (photo) SOMIAH Quirin & Rochelle MOODLEY married at St Anthony's Catholic Church, Mt Edgecombe. (photo). STEENBERG Jacques & Gail married at Oyster Box Hotel, uMhlanga. (photo) ULLBRICHT Bevin & Kerry-Leigh TITUS married at DCC Chapel, Durban. (photo) VAN ZYL Werner & Nonhlanhla married in Salt Rock , KZN North Coast. (photo) VORSTER John-Henry & Jodell married at Collisheen Estate , Ballito. (photo) WARWICH Angus & Megan HARE married at Calderwood Hall, KZN Midlands .(photo) WILKINS Robert & Ramona GOPALAN married at The Boathouse, Ballito. (Photo). WILIAMS Grant & Candice married at Makaranga Garden Lodge, Kloof. (photo). WORTMANN James & Brigitte married at St Dominic's Catholic Church, Hillcrest. (photo). Gegroet uit Durban Rita Quebbemann

Dag vriende, QUICKQUIP:-" The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." - Samuel JOHNSON. BIRTHS:- WILSON nee JENKINS Michael & Taryn a son Callum Michael * 10 Feb 2013. Grandson for Denise, Dave , Cherry and Mark. BIRTHDAY:- MOOLA Suraya .50 years today. Love from Shantel, Anjalai, Debbie, Sam and the patients. ENGAGEMENT:-HASLETT Mike & Jenny announce engagement of of John to Leanne , daughter of Neil & Jackie ROBINSON . LIPKE Werner & Lyn announce engagement of their daughter Kathryn to Andre BARNARD , son of Corine and Barries. DEATHS:- BOWNESS Brian George + 7 Feb 2013 x + Antoinette. Uncle of Delva, Malcolm and Lynn. Memorial at Bill Buchanan Home for the Aged Morningside on 15 Feb 2013 at 2:30pm. Cremation Private. DREYER Laurie . Condolences to the family from Johann BAARD.(On behalf of the President and memberes of AMSA and the Cape Clothing Association. DAILY NEWS. GOVENDER Sandrasagaren (Sagren ) + 12 Feb 2013. Condolences tohis family from The Captain , Committee Members and Staff of Royal Durban Golf Club. HARMS Bernadette Elizabeth x Freddy. Mother of Evelyn, Marcelle, Gillian, Neil and Glen. Grand and great-grandmother. Funeral at St Theresa's Catholic Church Sydenham on 14 Feb 2013. Mass at 12noon. Cremation Private. ISIPINGO INC PAM'S. KOCH Werner + 10 Feb 2013 . Father. Rememered by A,B,C and their families, Joachim and Martin. Memorial on 15 Feb 2013 at Thomas Kirche Bryanston . DAILY NEWS. MEYER Zelona 13 July 1961 --+ 7 Feb 2013 . Condolences to family from the ROY family. MONTGOMERY Heather. Will be missed by you friends Herman & Doris ROTHENBERG. DAILY NEWS. TOWNSEND Simone Cassandra 25 Aug 1974 ----9 Feb 2013 of Austerville. Funeral on 15 Feb 2013 at Christ The King Catholic Church. Mass at 12 noon. Proceeding to Clare Estate Crematorium. VAN DER WESTHUIZEN Willem Johannes . Memorial at Escombe NG Kerk Queensburgh on 18 Feb 2013 at 10am. OAKLEIGH 031 2059959. VAN GREUNE Pieter + 8 Feb 2013. From Lynn, Rob, Brennan, Shaun, Deon, Sylvia , Scott, Alex and family. WOOD Thelma Lydia Elizabeth 11 May 1926 ---8 Feb 2013. Mother of Ian and Phillip. Mother-in-law of Charmain and Carla. Grandmother to Jared, Lloyd, Dillon, Blane and Gina. Great-grandmother to Kade, Brayden and Indi. Memorial on 15 Feb 2013 at 2:30pm at Lavender Gardens Overport Durban. MEMORIAM:- PETERS Grant 18 Jan 1961 -----13 Feb 1988. Only son of Denise NUPEN. From Mom, son Gareth, sister Debs and niece Sarah-Leigh. SEAGER Henry William . Loved and missed. Kay, Shirley, Malcolm, Glyn, Bill and grandchildren. WHEELER Bruce. Son , brother and friend. From Mum, Dad, Lou, Ian, Brian and Edward. Gegroet uit winderige en warm nogsteeds Durban Rita Quebbemann

Naand Lysteraars, Nou dat Ancestry24 eersdaags toemaak moet ek seker vinnig bedel. Frans Thomas GERICKE is in Aliwal Noord op 16 Desember 1895 gebore. Hy het met Maria Adams getrou en is op 27 Junie in Mamre oorlede. Ek vermoed dat hulle albei vir die Poskantoor gewerk het. Ek soek al twintig jaar na sy ouers en sal enige hulp wardeer. Erol Gericke Somerset Wes.

Middag Gen vriende Ek is opsoek na die kinders van Gideon de Kock * c1892 en Martha Maria Botha * c1892. Ek kry die egpaar op http://home.mweb.co.za/el/elijo/bothhtml en ek vermoed dit is dieselfde egpaar wat ek op my databasis het as Gideon Jacobus Kok (geen datums) en Martha Maria Botha (geen datums). GJ Kok en MM Botha het 'n seun gehad: Gideon Jacobus Kok * 28/02/1924 x Egipte 10/11/1945 Ruth Gillispie *25/04/1925 Dumfries, Engeland. Byvoorbaat baie dankie Nicolene -- Stoffel en Nicolene Willemse Kroonstad Stoffel se grootouers: Willemse x Potgieter en Graham x Burfitt Nicolene se grootouers: Beukes x van Zyl en Greef x Kok Vanne nagevors: Willemse, Beukes, Graham, Nieuwoudt, Flynn

Sterfgevalle BLIGNAUT, Hendrik Johannes (Hennie). 77 jaar. +Maandag 11 Febr 2013 op Uitenhage. Eggenote, kinders, kleinkinders. Begrafnisdiens Donderdag 14 Febr 2013 11:00 NG Kerk Bothasrus, Kerkstraat, Despatch. Munisipale-begraafplaas. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 13/02/2013) Oos-Kaap Begrafnisdienste 041 992 5701 DE LANGE & Carol. Tragies +Sondag 10 Febr 2013. Begrafnisdiens Donderdag 14 Febr 2013 14:00 Evangelisasiesentrum, Cleeveweg, Cotswold. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 13/02/2013) Berig: Die Burger Oos-Kaap 11/02/2013. Baaienaars en motorfietsryers Carol VAN NIEKERK (29) en Juan DE LANGE (38) oorlede 10 Febr. 2013 in 'n botsing. LANDMAN, Aletta. +Vrydag 08 Febr 2013. Haar suster Johanna. Begrafnisdiens Vrydag 15 Febr 2013 14:00 NG Kerk Patmos. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 13/02/2013) Miemie Gardiner, Algoa Begrafnisdienste 041 363 4874 LE GRANGE, Morné. 37 jaar. Oudleerling van Hoërskool Framesby, P.E. +Maandag 11 Febr 2013 na lang siekbed. Eggenote, kinders, ouers, broer, ouma. Begrafnisdiens Vrydag 15 Febr 2013 10:30 Volle Evangelie Kerk, Kabegapark. Forest Hill-begraafplaas. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 13/02/2013) Carisa Ellis-Meier DOVES Port Elizabeth 041 365 5399 Hester Marx Loerie

BADENHORST; Petronella Johanna, in lewe van Pretoria. Roudiens: NH Kerk Montana, Pretoria, 14/02/2013, 13:00. Private Verassing. (Beeld - 13/02/2013) AVBOB Begrafnisdienste, Pretoria-Noord, 012-565-4269. MURPHY; Daniel Kenny (Danny) * 17/04/1953 + 07/02/2013. Ons gaan jou baie mis neef van die ROBERTSONS.. Verassingsdiens: AVBOB, DF Malanweg 294, h v Kerk- D F Malanweg, Pretoria-Wes, 13/02/2013, 14:00. Enige inligting kontak Mavis by 082-731-7326.. (Beeld - 13/02/2013) STRYDOM; Jameson, ID-070727 6276 086. {Mnr} Pieter Daniel VAN ZYL, ID-770628 5115 080 kontak dringend die maatskaplike werker by NGW Vanderbijlpark, Gauteng provinsie by 016-981-1044 of NGW Roodepoort, Gauteng provinsie by 011/763/5644 oor aanneming van Jameson. (Beeld - 11, 12, 13/02/2013) Groete, Fanie Blignaut (Blikkies), Vanderbijlpark, Gauteng provinsie. [Blignaut x Laubscher; Els x Blignaut; Pretorius x Bloem; Kruger x Pretorius.] [Bouwer x Meyer; Bouwer x Wild; Pretorius x v/d Merwe; Pretorius x Potgieter; Potgieter x Barkhuizen]

Dag vriende, QUICKQUIP:- " The only place where success comes before work is in the dictionary. " - Vidal SASSOON BIRTHDAYS:- CHETTY Travis . Congratulations 21 years old. From Mum, Dad, Bobby, Tootsie, Terrence, Kaleb and Emilea. DEATHS:-ABBOTT Phyllis Margaret + 10 Feb 2013. Mother of Guy, Helen, Michael and their families. Funeral at Pinetown Methodist Church on 13 Feb 2013 at 2pm. DOVES 0860025500. DE CHARMOY Monique. Died at age 89 years. Mother and Niow . Love Marc, Mau, Roger, Haley, Brett, Lisa and your great grandchildren, Tom, Max and Ella. EVANS Gwyn Arthur . From your "wifey". Condolences to Brian, Sandy, Tess, Tarryn and rest of family. FANTHORPE Tony . Formaly of Amanzimtoti now in PE. Married to Ella. Father , Grandfather . From Barbara & Tony and all the family. FLETCHER Marjorie Jill. Memorial at St Elizabeth's Anglican Church Westville on 15 Feb 2013 at 11 am. DOVES 0860025500. GRANT Derek. Father and grandfather Mark, Kerry and + Stuart, Wendy, Russell ,Julie and Catherine. Memorial on 14 Feb 2013 at Church of the Good Shepherd Durban North at 11am. LOARING Maria + 7 Feb 2013 tragically. Mother of Lupe, Cres and Lydia. LUTCHMAN Hemmi x Jack LUTCHMAN ( Jack & Jill Builders) Mum of Anuresh (AJ) and Raksha. Mother-in-law of Kasturi and Derek. Sister of Sew PARMASUR and Sheila JAIKARUN . Funeral on 12 Feb 2013 between 12noon ---3pm at residence 471 Arena Park Drive Chatsworth ,proceeding to Clare Estate Crematorium at 4pm. MAGUIRE Clair + 9 Feb 2013 Friend of Esmay & Bruce. MAGUIRE Clair Bernadette + 9 Feb 2013 . Sister to Rosemary. MELLOR Reginald Douglas (Doug/Dougie) 9 Dec 1915 -----9 Feb 2013 at age 97 years. Father and grandfather of Peter, Terry, Catherine and Daniel.; Father and grandfather of Porky, Jenny, Lloyd and Julie; Grand and great-grandfather of Marc, Shay, Joshua, Hannah and Matthew; Father, grandfather and great-grandfather of Bev and Denzil, Kate, Brett, Ashleigh and Olivia, Brett and Kelly.; Dad, grand dad and great-grandfather of Alan & Sue, Shayleen ,Marc, Joshua, Hannah and Matthew, Margot, Leanne, Tony and Braxton (Aus) and Kerryn. Stepchildren and grandchildren Stuart, Linda, Mikayla and Jessica, Julie, Ryan and Isabelle, Debbie and Dax and Ridgewood Frail Care Staff and caregivers Joyce, Irine and Nomvula. MONTGONERY Arthur . Friend and missed by Herman & Doris ROTHENBERG. PETTMAN Dick (Architect) . Condolences to family and Paton TAYLOR from The Trustees, Board staff and boys of Kearsney College. PETTMANN Richard Glanville 2 May 1932 -----10 Feb 2013 x Joan. Father of Lianne and Debbie. Brother of Rae. Memorial at DOVES Greyville on 15 Feb 2013 at 3pm. DOVES 0860025500. PORTER Stanley Austin 17 Feb 1934 ----9 Feb 2013 x Maureen . Father of Ian. PRETORIUS Jeanetta Mathilda + 9 Feb 2013. Mother of Pat ANDERSEN, Veronica DAHL, June ANDERSON and Le-Roy JOUBERT . Funeral at City Hill Church, Green Meadow Lane Hillcrest on 14 Feb 2013 at 2pm. OAKLEIGH 031 2059959. RINDL Peter John + 8 Feb 2013 x Clarissa. Father of Beverley, Garth. Brother of Margaret. Memorial at Ernest Ullman Park Morningside on 15 Feb 2013 at 2:30pm. SINGH Savithree Devi (Savi) x Mr J S SINGH (Jai). Mother of Naresh, Bimal, & Ujen. Grandmother of ( Aji) of Ishkar Tashrith, sister of V.S MAHARAJ & Dan MAHARAJ. Funeral on 12 Feb 2013 at Mountview Civic Centre .Body will lie in state from 12noon ----2pm. Proceeding to Verulam Crematorium at 2:30pm. VERULAM Funerals, 032 5331602. SLATTER Dr George Raymond 11 Sept 1928 -----9 Feb 2013. Husband ,father and grandfather. Friend to all his patients. From Jean, John and Anne, Lynne and Tommy, Leigh and Jeff, Jill and Brian, Mark and Jean. Grandfather of 12. STRACHAM Stephen Patrick + 27 Jan 2013 x Joanie . Father of James and Lyndsey. TEAGUE Desmond + 10 Feb 2013 x June. Father and grandfather. Memorial at St Luke's Church Glenashley on 15 Feb 2013 at 14:30 pm. MEMORIAM:- BESSON Monique. 1 year gone now. Sister of Philippe. CHETTY Grace Mathilda + 12 Feb 2009. Daughter of + Benjamin & Evelyn MATTHEWS . Married to Raj. Mother of Mervyn & Kyle. Mother-in-law of Anisha. Grandmother of Nico, Nikki, Cameron and Antonio. Sister of Valeri, Rita Joan and Rosiland. CURTIS Magdalene Sarah + 11 Feb 2012. Mother of "your baby son" Brian and Terrin. NICHOLAS nee KESHWAR Ella + 12 Feb 2007. Mother and gran to Howard & Claudia, Llewellyn and Deirdre, Mark and Antonieta. Michellr, Vanessa and grandchildren. Gegroet uit WARM nag alweer in Durban Rita Quebbemann

Goeie middag,   Kan iemand dalk laat weet waar doopregisters vir Drakenstein vanaf 1720 - 1800 beskikbaar is? Ek sien op eGGSA is die register tot 1713 beskikbaar. Op Familysearch kan ek glad nie enige rekords vir Drakenstein opspoor nie. Ek sou ook graag wou uitvind waar die oorspronklike rekords gehou word en of dit oop is vir die publiek om te besigtig. Groete,   Scott Kotze 

Dear Listers I have posted a partial index to Cape Civil Death records on the ZAF-INDEXERS forum. Any corrections and comments are welcome. The link is http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/ZAF-INDEXERS/ Regards Moyra Joyce Bedford

Sterfgevalle KRÜGER, Johannes Schoeman (Johan). Met hartseer neem ek afskeid van my geliefde man, ons pappa, oupa en oupagrootjie. Shirley, Tobie en Hanlie, Johannes en Rita, Philip en Chrisnie, Gavin en Karen, kleinkinders, agterkleinkinders. Roudiens Dinsdag 12 Febr 2013 12:30 NG Gemeente Patmos, h.v. Kaapweg en Westbourneweg, Port Elizabeth. Ds. Armand CROUS. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 12/02/2013) Jill, First Avenue Funeral Home 041 581 5028 MARAIS, Elsie. +Sat. 09 Febr 2013. Roudiens Vrydag 15 Febr. 2013 11:00 NG Kerk PE Hoogland, Charlo. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 12/02/2013) Heila, First Avenue Funeral Home 041 581 5028 VAN ZYL, Deon. +Vrydag 08 Febr 2013. Eggenote, kinders, kleinkinders. Begrafnisdiens Woensdag 13 Febr. 2013 11:00 Evangelisasie-sentrum, Cleeveweg, Cotswold. (Die Burger Oos-Kaap 12/02/2013) Miemie Gardiner, Algoa Begrafnisdienste 041 363 4874 Hester Marx Loerie

Goeiemiddag Kyk bietjie by http://www.angloboerwar.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=531 vir meer oor die Army Service Corps. Daar word ook name en inligting van lede gegee. Groete Nada Crafford On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ingrid Cloete <Ingrid.Cloete@emid.co.za>wrote: > Ek het 'n dokument "Claim for war losses" van een van my voorvaarders > opgespoor. > > > > Hy verduidelik "I was acting as conductor to a Column............." > > > > In 'n verklaring, wat baie moeilik is om te lees, spesifiseer hy dat hy > "....as a guide in Nov 1900 and joined ASC in the ??? - remains as > conductor until after peace. (discharged paper produced & found enrol). > Beteken dit hy het vir die Engelse gewerk? > > > > Hy het die wel die eed van neutraliteit afgelê, sover ek kom agterkom,maar > nie die eed van getrouheid nie. > > > > Kan iemand asb verduidelik wat die "conductor" beteken. Wat was die > "ASC". Was hy 'n verraaier of hensopper? > > > > Baie dankie > > Ingrid Cloete > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUITENPOSTEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hallo Ingrid ASC is Army Service Corps and Conductor is die volgende apoligie vir die Engels op die lys maar het nie tyd om te vertaal nie. The “rank” of Conductor was held by Warrant Officers Class 1 of the Stores Branch. This ancient title dates back to the days of the Board of Ordnance (abolished 1852) and is exclusive to the RAOC who became Royal in 1920. The rank took precedence over all other Warrant Officers in the Army and was the pinnacle of achievement for a man who started at the bottom. Ek vermoed hy het wat hulle genoem het gejoin Groete Chris On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ingrid Cloete <Ingrid.Cloete@emid.co.za>wrote: > Ek het 'n dokument "Claim for war losses" van een van my voorvaarders > opgespoor. > > > > Hy verduidelik "I was acting as conductor to a Column............." > > > > In 'n verklaring, wat baie moeilik is om te lees, spesifiseer hy dat hy > "....as a guide in Nov 1900 and joined ASC in the ??? - remains as > conductor until after peace. (discharged paper produced & found enrol). > Beteken dit hy het vir die Engelse gewerk? > > > > Hy het die wel die eed van neutraliteit afgelê, sover ek kom agterkom,maar > nie die eed van getrouheid nie. > > > > Kan iemand asb verduidelik wat die "conductor" beteken. Wat was die > "ASC". Was hy 'n verraaier of hensopper? > > > > Baie dankie > > Ingrid Cloete > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUITENPOSTEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ek het 'n dokument "Claim for war losses" van een van my voorvaarders opgespoor. Hy verduidelik "I was acting as conductor to a Column............." In 'n verklaring, wat baie moeilik is om te lees, spesifiseer hy dat hy "....as a guide in Nov 1900 and joined ASC in the ??? - remains as conductor until after peace. (discharged paper produced & found enrol). Beteken dit hy het vir die Engelse gewerk? Hy het die wel die eed van neutraliteit afgelê, sover ek kom agterkom,maar nie die eed van getrouheid nie. Kan iemand asb verduidelik wat die "conductor" beteken. Wat was die "ASC". Was hy 'n verraaier of hensopper? Baie dankie Ingrid Cloete

Liewe lede, Elke dan en wan kom daar n boodskap verby waar mense verskoning maak omdat hulle Engels gebruik. Onthou asb dat BP geheel tweetalig is en die keuse hang van die skrywer af. Indien mense spesifiek n vertaling benodig moet hulle dit vra en ek is seker daar is talle mense wat met graagte sal help. Groete Gerda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: Nada Crafford <nadacrafford@gmail.com> Sender: buitenposten-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:54:45 To: <buitenposten@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: buitenposten@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BP] Boereoorlog Goeiemiddag Kyk bietjie by http://www.angloboerwar.com/?option=com_content&view=article&id=531 vir meer oor die Army Service Corps. Daar word ook name en inligting van lede gegee. Groete Nada Crafford On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Ingrid Cloete <Ingrid.Cloete@emid.co.za>wrote: > Ek het 'n dokument "Claim for war losses" van een van my voorvaarders > opgespoor. > > > > Hy verduidelik "I was acting as conductor to a Column............." > > > > In 'n verklaring, wat baie moeilik is om te lees, spesifiseer hy dat hy > "....as a guide in Nov 1900 and joined ASC in the ??? - remains as > conductor until after peace. (discharged paper produced & found enrol). > Beteken dit hy het vir die Engelse gewerk? > > > > Hy het die wel die eed van neutraliteit afgelê, sover ek kom agterkom,maar > nie die eed van getrouheid nie. > > > > Kan iemand asb verduidelik wat die "conductor" beteken. Wat was die > "ASC". Was hy 'n verraaier of hensopper? > > > > Baie dankie > > Ingrid Cloete > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUITENPOSTEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUITENPOSTEN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message