I would like to thank William for the information and images sent off list for OLLIFFE and HONOR and have sent my thanks directly to William. The information sent will help a great deal with my research especially on the OLLIFFE line, one of my other lines is HONNOR but I have been contacted by fellow researcher looking for the HONOR variation and will forward the information to them. Again William, Thank You. Trish Belleville, Ont. Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 11/19/2004