Hello list I am fairly new to ancestor tracing, so any guidance will be great. I am seeking family in Long Crendon. My Mother Grace FLYNN (b 1924), Grandmother Ada WEBB (b 1887), and G Grandmother Thirza WARNER (b 1862) were all born or lived at Church End/Green. My GG Grandmother was Susanna(h). She married John WARNER. I believe her to be a GOVIER or perhaps BALDWIN? Looking at the 1851 Census, it shows John WARNER in Church Green and next door Susanna GOVIER. Their ages fit in with the 1881 Census, when they were living in the High Street with their two youngest children. I am wanting to confirm that these are one and the same from Church Green. However, I am confused by the 1851 census. This shows both John and Susanna as being 'W', which I assume is 'widow' and 'widower', living next door to each other. John is living with his parents, Thomas and Hannah WARNER. In the house of Susanna GOVIER, is Zilpah BALDWIN, listed as Head (aged 66). In addition to Susanna, 4 children are listed, all GOVIER. The 2 boys are shown as GS which I take to be Grandsons, but both the girls (age 11 and 3 yrs) are shown as DL, which indicates Daughter in Law. I presume this to be a mistake or was this a common way of description? I am also intrigued to know whether the children are Susannas' or whether she is perhaps the step-mother. She is listed as being 25 and the eldest child is 11years. Did she start at 14, have 4 children by GOVIER, and then another 7 with John WARNER? I would like to discover if Susanna would have been a BALDWIN (before marrying a GOVIER) and if Zilpah is her Mother. Also, how do I get hold of Zilpah's records for her parents' detail, she being born around 1785? Zilpah does not seem to appear in the Parish Register. I understand that a gentleman, by the name of Govier, has within the past few years written a book about his family connection with the needle industry and may have some wider family history. The maternal line that I am following are all Lacemakers although I imagine there was a lot of 'crossover' with needles. Any pointers would be appreciated Thanks Richard Rogers

> >In the house of Susanna GOVIER, is Zilpah BALDWIN, listed as Head (aged 66). >In >addition to Susanna, 4 children are listed, all GOVIER. The 2 boys are shown >as >GS which I take to be Grandsons, but both the girls (age 11 and 3 yrs) are >shown >as DL, which indicates Daughter in Law. I presume this to be a mistake or was >this a common way of description? son/daughter 'in law' was used for step children. However, the relationship is stated as to the head of the household, and there is no easy way that a woman named Baldwin could have step children named Govier, or that a woman of 66 would have steps of a different name aged 11/3. > >I am also intrigued to know whether the children are Susannas' or whether she >is >perhaps the step-mother. She is listed as being 25 and the eldest child is >11years. Did she start at 14, have 4 children by GOVIER, and then another 7 >with >John WARNER? > >I would like to discover if Susanna would have been a BALDWIN (before marrying >a >GOVIER) and if Zilpah is her Mother. Also, how do I get hold of Zilpah's >records for her parents' detail, she being born around 1785? Zilpah does not >seem to appear in the Parish Register. > >I understand that a gentleman, by the name of Govier, has within the past few >years written a book about his family connection with the needle industry and >may have some wider family history. The maternal line that I am following are >all Lacemakers although I imagine there was a lot of 'crossover' with needles. > >Any pointers would be appreciated > >Thanks >Richard Rogers > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >Advertising for financial gain is not permitted on this List, although >subscribers may include a link to their website in their signature. > -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society