Hi Keith I have to agree with Paul on this one. The parish is in two parts, and in the first most of it can't be read at all and an existing knowledge of the families of Marsworth would be an enormous help in transcribing the rest! However....... In the readable bits in that first part, there is a William and Mary SMITH and children (no Joseph), also a Thomas and Fanny SMITH and children (no Joseph). In the second part of the parish (which is quite readable) there is a John and Elizabeth SMITH (in their 70s) with another John SMITH age 35 with them, a Martha SMITH age 20 servant at the vicarage......then not one but two Joseph SMITHs that could be your man, as ages were rounded and not precise that year! One is age 15 shepherd born in county, working for Kezia HALL age 75. The other is age 14 and living with parents (presumably parents, remember no relationships are given in the 1841) James and Sarah SMITH. piece 50 ed 12, top of pages have been cut off so can't give you folio or pg numbers, all born in county: James SMITH 40 ag lab Sarah SMITH 35 Joseph SMITH 14 ag lab William SMITH 10 George SMITH 4 and an unnamed female baby aged 2 days! I guess you will need to look again at other evidence so you can work out which Joseph is yours. Regards Alex in Auckland NZ --- Paul Irving <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Having looked at the Marsworth 1841 census with a > view to transcribing > it, I must say that you don't realise what a big > thing you're asking > for. It's the most illegible parish I've seen. > > Maybe someone has access to a better copy than mine, > or is better at > deciphering it. Good luck, > > Paul > > keith hammond wrote: > > >Dear List, > > Everyone has been so kind in helping > me upto date THANK YOU SO MUCH. Can i be so rude and > ask for a little more help ? I am researching my > SMITH ancestors from Marsworth and wonder if you can > help with an 1841 census look up for smith famillies > ? I am especially looking for a JOSEPH SMITH aged > about 13 on the 1851 he was aged 23 and born > Marsworth he was an agricultural labourer. His > father may well have been a James smith. Thanks so > much for your kind help. > > > >Keith in Malta. > > > > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > >View or download up to 20000 archive photos of > Buckinghamshire from the Bucks County Council web > site at: http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/photo_database Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

Keith, I do not have ready access to the 1851 or 1861, however, in the event that the following might help you in differentiating among the Joseph Smiths which Alex cites in the 1841, here are the Joseph Smith households enumerated in Marsworth in the 1871 and 1881: 1871 Bucks, Civ. Parish: Marsworth RG10/1390, ED 5, Folio 19, pg 4: #17 Stanhopes(?) End: Joseph SMITH, head, married, 42, farm labourer; b Bucks Marsworth; Mary Smith, wife, married, Straw plaitter?; b Bucks Marsworth; Frederick Smith, son, 14, farmers boy; b Bucks Marsworth; William Smith, son, 12, ditto; b Bucks Marsworth; Fanny Smith, daur, 9, scholar platter; b Bucks Marsworth; Charles Smith, son, 6, ditto; b Bucks Marsworth; George Smith, son, 4, ditto; b Bucks Marsworth; Louisa(?) Smith, daur, 12 months; b Bucks Marsworth; (note that immediately preceding this household is a Thomas Smith, age 22 & unmarr., also b Bucks Marsworth, a farm labourer shown as a lodger in the household of James & Ellen Daley, who have a daughter Ellen age 6 months. I believe this Ellen may be the same as the Ellen "Dealey" shown as a granddaughter of age 10 in the 1881 household of Joseph & Mary Smith). 1871 Bucks, Civ. Parish: Marsworth RG10/1390, ED 5, Folio 28, pg 21; #106 Upper End Joseph SMITH, head, married, 49?, farm labourer, b. Bucks Marsworth; Jemima? (indexed as Pernima) Smith, wife, married, 47, Straw plaitter (?), b Bucks Ivinghoe (?) a; David Smith, son, 23, farm servant, b Bucks Marsworth; Ann Smith, daur, 12, Scholar plaitter?, b Bucks Marsworth; There is also a 3rd Joseph Smith shown in 1871, but he is only age 7, one of several childen enumerated with parents William (age 40, b. Marsworth) and Ellen (age 38, b Wigginton Bucks(?) - I think this should be Herts) Smith. Siblings of this Joseph are William, Isabella, George, Peter, Selina (?indexed as 'Selma'), and Harry. In 1881, Marsworth Civil Parish is found: RG11/1447, ED 5, Folio 70, pg 19: #103 (can't make out the road/street/housename column): (all are shown b Marsworth, Bucks) Joseph SMITH, head, age 52, married, ag. labourer; Mary Smith, wife, age 52, married; labourer's wife; Charles Smith, son, 15, ag labourer; George Smith, son, 14, ag labourer; Susan Smith, daur, 12, scholar; Ellen Dealey, grand dau, age 10, ditto; <---I believe this is the Ellen Daley shown age 6 mos in 1871 household of James & Ellen (probaby nee Smith) Daley. Frederick Dealey, age 6, ditto; Charlotte Dealey, age 3; RG11/1447, ED 5, Folio 65, pg 9: #43 (no street or Hamlet is apparent) Joseph SMITH, head, Wid, 57? (or 51), agricultural labourer, b. Bucks, Marsworth; Ann(?) (indexed as 'Agnes') SMITH, daur, unmarried, 22, straw (?strane) plaitter, b Bucks, Marsworth; ***this looks as if it's the Joseph who was married to Jemima (or Permina) in the 1871. The 3rd (& youngest) Joseph Smith (age 7 in 1871) now appears as age 17 in the household of his mother, Ellen (now 47 & widowed, b Wigginton Herts). This Joseph's father, shown as William age 40 in 1871) appears to have died. Siblings of this Joseph are George, Selina, Harry & Emma. On the next page, 2 households away from Ellen & family, are James Smith (age 80, b Marsworth) & wife Sarah (age 75 b Wingrove Bucks). Hope this helps somewhat, -Sandy > On Saturday, April 23, 2005, at 02:55 PM, Alexandra Coles wrote: > Hi Keith > > I have to agree with Paul on this one. The parish is > in two parts, and in the first most of it can't be > read at all and an existing knowledge of the families > of Marsworth would be an enormous help in transcribing > the rest! However....... > > In the readable bits in that first part, there is a > William and Mary SMITH and children (no Joseph), also > a Thomas and Fanny SMITH and children (no Joseph). > > In the second part of the parish (which is quite > readable) there is a John and Elizabeth SMITH (in > their 70s) with another John SMITH age 35 with them, a > Martha SMITH age 20 servant at the vicarage......then > not one but two Joseph SMITHs that could be your man, > as ages were rounded and not precise that year! One is > age 15 shepherd born in county, working for Kezia HALL > age 75. The other is age 14 and living with parents > (presumably parents, remember no relationships are > given in the 1841) James and Sarah SMITH. > > piece 50 ed 12, top of pages have been cut off so > can't give you folio or pg numbers, all born in > county: > James SMITH 40 ag lab > Sarah SMITH 35 > Joseph SMITH 14 ag lab > William SMITH 10 > George SMITH 4 > and an unnamed female baby aged 2 days! > > I guess you will need to look again at other evidence > so you can work out which Joseph is yours. > > Regards > Alex in Auckland NZ > > --- Paul Irving <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Having looked at the Marsworth 1841 census with a >> view to transcribing >> it, I must say that you don't realise what a big >> thing you're asking >> for. It's the most illegible parish I've seen. >> >> Maybe someone has access to a better copy than mine, >> or is better at >> deciphering it. Good luck, >> >> Paul >> >> keith hammond wrote: >> >>> Dear List, >>> Everyone has been so kind in helping >> me upto date THANK YOU SO MUCH. Can i be so rude and >> ask for a little more help ? I am researching my >> SMITH ancestors from Marsworth and wonder if you can >> help with an 1841 census look up for smith famillies >> ? I am especially looking for a JOSEPH SMITH aged >> about 13 on the 1851 he was aged 23 and born >> Marsworth he was an agricultural labourer. His >> father may well have been a James smith. Thanks so >> much for your kind help. >>> >>> Keith in Malta. >>> >>> >>> ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >>> View or download up to 20000 archive photos of >> Buckinghamshire from the Bucks County Council web >> site at: http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/photo_database > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! 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