Graham, Thanks for the info -- I am guessing from those numbers that the families I list include an awful lot of second marriages for the men. >From my research, my opinion is that there were at least two distinct strains of Wilmer/Willmore/whatever in Bucks starting in the late 1600's. A William Wilmore/Woolman was baptized in Little Horwood 1652 - his father was also named William. He may have been the progenitor of the Little Horwood family. Also, from one spelling of the surname, it is possible he was a sibling of the Padbury James -- but there is nothing to prove it. The earliest Wilmore in my line that I have in any way proven is James with wife Elizabeth and children William, Richard and 2 James C's - all chr in 1740's and resided Padbury. Another James with wife?Mary?and children James?chr 1682??Sarah 1678 and William 1684 are the earliest I found there. There was a family with a father named Wiliam Wilmer?in Bow Brickhill in the mid 1500's and a Susan Wilmar b 1582 in Great Missenden. If this William is the earliest in Bucks (so far he is the earliest I have identified) he may be the progenitor, but there were Wilmer/Wilmores in Northamptonshire... My mini one-name study works much better if I make assumptions, but I am going conservative for now. Right now, I am putting together the Judge family - Ann Judge m. William Wilmore/Wilmer 1764 - it is clear the Judges predate Willmore in Padbury. I will be back sometime with more results. Ann Marr