Thanks Tony, That explains a lot. Since the family appear to work for the dunscombs they probably went to that school. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Sargeant" <ts@tsar.demon.co.uk> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] schools in early 19th century > Margret, > > Bucks FHS has some details about schools in the Great Brickhill area on > their website, including the 1833 Education Provision Survey. > Take a look at > http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_parish2&task=display&rec=72&tab=articles&Itemid=140 > for Great Brickhill then click on Bucks Parishes in the menu to the left > to research other parishes. > > Tony Sargeant > > > > On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:02 +0100, Margaret Holmes wrote: >> I have been reading the book "Henry Mundy - A Young Australian Pioneer" >> which has set me wondering about schools in or close to Great Brickhill. >> My husband's great great grandfather John Holmes, a shepherd, was >> seemingly able to write his name at least. His son George, a groom was >> similarly literate. John was born in 1799 and George in 1826 so where at >> that time would they have learned to read and write? Henry Mundy went to >> a school in Simpson but Leighton Buzzard or Slapton would probably have >> been nearer to Great Brickhill. Was there a school in those places >> between 1805 and 1840? The National School in Little Brickhill was opened >> in 1840 so probably George's children would have gone there. Margaret >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

One of my ancestors signed a census enumeration form for the canal boat of which he was master. His signature appears to have been written slowly & carefully, & the rest of the form was filled in in another, much more fluent, hand - with his surname spelt differently. I think that he could only write his name, & might not have been able to read even that. I doubt he ever went to school. Being able to write ones own name is not necessarily an indication of having any schooling. Paul It's possible to learn to Margaret Holmes wrote: > I have been reading the book "Henry Mundy - A Young Australian Pioneer" which has set me wondering about schools in or close to Great Brickhill. > My husband's great great grandfather John Holmes, a shepherd, was seemingly able to write his name at least. His son George, a groom was similarly literate.

Hi Margaret I have often seen it said many people could write their name but little if nothing else, like today I suspect a lot depended upon the parents as to how or if they learned to read or write and like today what importance they placed upon their childrens education , who taught you to read and write? I could certainly do both before I went to school as my parents taught me Because someone signed the marriage register (which is the usual evidence given for literacy) does not necessarily mean they were what we would call literate , do you have any other evidence ? Likewise someone's X on the register isn't proof of illiteracy, if the minister said put your mark there, I suspect some did just that even though they could sign I cannot recall his name but recall reading of a well known poet who taught himself to read while working as a shepherd of ag lab parents (perhaps someone else knows his name?) Heres a brief timeline of education in England which may help (or not <g>) http://www.dg.dial.pipex.com/history/timeline.shtml If not from the parents I would be looking at Sunday schools as a possible source of education at the time you are asking about Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) >I have been reading the book "Henry Mundy - A Young Australian Pioneer" >which has set me wondering about schools in or close to Great Brickhill. > My husband's great great grandfather John Holmes, a shepherd, was > seemingly able to write his name at least. His son George, a groom was > similarly literate. John was born in 1799 and George in 1826 so where at > that time would they have learned to read and write? Henry Mundy went to a > school in Simpson but Leighton Buzzard or Slapton would probably have been > nearer to Great Brickhill. Was there a school in those places between 1805 > and 1840? The National School in Little Brickhill was opened in 1840 so > probably George's children would have gone there. Margaret

Margret, Bucks FHS has some details about schools in the Great Brickhill area on their website, including the 1833 Education Provision Survey. Take a look at http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_parish2&task=display&rec=72&tab=articles&Itemid=140 for Great Brickhill then click on Bucks Parishes in the menu to the left to research other parishes. Tony Sargeant On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:02 +0100, Margaret Holmes wrote: > I have been reading the book "Henry Mundy - A Young Australian Pioneer" which has set me wondering about schools in or close to Great Brickhill. > My husband's great great grandfather John Holmes, a shepherd, was seemingly able to write his name at least. His son George, a groom was similarly literate. John was born in 1799 and George in 1826 so where at that time would they have learned to read and write? Henry Mundy went to a school in Simpson but Leighton Buzzard or Slapton would probably have been nearer to Great Brickhill. Was there a school in those places between 1805 and 1840? The National School in Little Brickhill was opened in 1840 so probably George's children would have gone there. Margaret > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been reading the book "Henry Mundy - A Young Australian Pioneer" which has set me wondering about schools in or close to Great Brickhill. My husband's great great grandfather John Holmes, a shepherd, was seemingly able to write his name at least. His son George, a groom was similarly literate. John was born in 1799 and George in 1826 so where at that time would they have learned to read and write? Henry Mundy went to a school in Simpson but Leighton Buzzard or Slapton would probably have been nearer to Great Brickhill. Was there a school in those places between 1805 and 1840? The National School in Little Brickhill was opened in 1840 so probably George's children would have gone there. Margaret

Buckinghamshire strays found in the Brackley, Northants parish register Priscilla SMITH illegitemate dau of Sibylina of Buckingham hawker 1818 16-Feb Robert St Denis HOWARD son of Timothy and Elizabeth of Aylesbury BKM carpenter 1819 12-Jul Elizabeth SMITH dau of Henry and Mary of Turweston BKM labourer 1822 21-Jun Louise Emma BULLEN dau of Frederick Thomas Augustuv and Catherine Elizabeth of Aylesbury BKM comedian 1824 14-Mar Henry LIDDINGTON dua of James and Elizabeth of Biddlesdon BKM farmer 1831 18-Nov born 27th Oct 1831 Julia Eliza ROBBINS dau of Charles and Elizabeth of Turweston BKM glazier 1843 8-Jan born 3rd Dec 1842 Marilyn Details of various Northants indexes http://www.northants-familytree.net/ __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca

Hi list, further updates added to Yesterdays site, link below, of persons found in official documents as found in Derbyshire but who came from elsewhere throughout the British Isles including Buckinghamshire. There are several pupils under Schools who have a Bucks connection and whose DOB is generally recorded as well as father. mike -- http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

St. Mary's Church, Amersham is chock full of Tyrwhitt Drake memorials - not unsurprising as they made it one of the richest livings in the country. Genealogist Barny of that ilk was for a long time a contributor to this list. The family home, Shardeloes, overlooking the Misbourne valley, was sold off some years ago and converted to flats. Mike Chaney -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 153 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

It's such an unusual surname, it may be worth contacting the museum below - Maidstone Carriage Museum Archbishops Palace Maidstone Kent It holds and displays the Tyrwhitt Drake Collection, bequeathed to them many years ago. Hope this isn't considered off list. Margaret On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Donald Hatch <donald.hatch@casema.nl> wrote: > Does anyone know if it is possible to search the Buckinghamshire Advertiser > on line or by other means? It is a useful source of information for us > Bucks > researchers. I recently found many old cuttings in a deceased relative's > scrapbook of a "then and now" nature covering events in the 1880's. One of > them "from 50 years ago" might be of interest as it's a name I've seen > before in this digest. "On Saturday 18 July 1885 the funeral took place at > Amersham cemetery of Mrs Tyrwhitt Drake of Shardeloes Amersham" > > Donald Hatch Bilthoven NL > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know if it is possible to search the Buckinghamshire Advertiser on line or by other means? It is a useful source of information for us Bucks researchers. I recently found many old cuttings in a deceased relative's scrapbook of a "then and now" nature covering events in the 1880's. One of them "from 50 years ago" might be of interest as it's a name I've seen before in this digest. "On Saturday 18 July 1885 the funeral took place at Amersham cemetery of Mrs Tyrwhitt Drake of Shardeloes Amersham" Donald Hatch Bilthoven NL

There's no marriage for them in the Bucks FHS transcription of the Oakley PRs. They appear suddenly, with the baptism of son John on 01 Dec 1799. Children for 14 years, bury one, then their oldest son starts having children - again, no marriage, so presumably that was elsewhere, despite her being listed in 1851 as born Oakley. The OFHS marriage index shows a William HIGGS marrying an Elizabeth HAWES 13 Oct 1799 at Oxford St Peter B. Marrying in Oxford was quite common for people of villages quite some distance for the city at that time, so it could be your William & Elizabeth, but their villages are usually (not always) given, & in this case there's no indication of them being from elsewhere. Elizabeths burial record (1849) says she was 73. William 75 in 1850. Some HIGGS in Brill, but only from 1799. And HICKS up to 1753. None in Ashendon or Dorton in the right period. But - the IGI shows a William HIGGS christened 29 Oct 1775 Charlton on Otmoor. Not far away. And an Elizabeth HAWS christened 22 Sep 1776 at Oakley. I reckon that looks worth checking out. By the way, huge numbers of HAWES/HAWS/HAWSE in Oakley, back to 1710, & a few much earlier ones. The OFHS sells a transcription of the Charlton on Otmoor registers - http://www.ofhs.org.uk/CDsales.html#prs Paul Jeff Wilson wrote: > I have just rejoined the list as I need help looking up the marriage of a > William Higgs to Elizabeth in about 1797-99 (in Oakley??). They then settled > in Oakley and christened a child at Oakley in Dec 1799. > According to the 1841 census William was not born in Buckinghamshire but > Elizabeth was. For some years I have mistakenly thought that a couple of > the same names who married in Drayton Parslow in 1794 were 'mine', but I now > find this to be untrue as they had a different family. I have searched as > far as possible but have had no luck in finding either the marriage or birth > of either of them. > Any help much appreciated. > > Regards > Jeff > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 6493 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I have just rejoined the list as I need help looking up the marriage of a William Higgs to Elizabeth in about 1797-99 (in Oakley??). They then settled in Oakley and christened a child at Oakley in Dec 1799. According to the 1841 census William was not born in Buckinghamshire but Elizabeth was. For some years I have mistakenly thought that a couple of the same names who married in Drayton Parslow in 1794 were 'mine', but I now find this to be untrue as they had a different family. I have searched as far as possible but have had no luck in finding either the marriage or birth of either of them. Any help much appreciated. Regards Jeff -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6493 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hi, I would love to get more detail on my GGG Grandmother Anne PENNHILL/ PENNELL. I suspect that she was baptized in October 1795 in Buckingham the daughter of William PENNELL and Elizabeth GILL. If this is the correct baptism then William and Elizabeth married in Oct 1792 in Buckingham. Is anyone researching this family? Regards, Pat Wade (Nee King) Melb, Vic

Sorry. Didn't realise I'd replied to list instead of personally. Just goes to show one should be careful, before hitting the "reply" button. Joan.

Hello again Marion. Just re-channelling my thoughts of Alfred John HUDSON who died Wycombe 1897, (did I tell you I am now registered as the owner of said plot?) and his wife, Mary nee STONE. 1. You very kindly sent me the info below on his daughter, Louisa SAUNDERS & family and I've managed to fill in lots of gaps on census info and BMDs with the help of a "Bob" in ???? We share an affinity with the parishes of St Mary and St Peter in Newington/Walworth. 2. Still searching for death/burial of wife of Alfred John (1843-1897) viz Mary nee Stone. You wrote: <<< Could this be your Mary Hudson in 1901 census > Richardson St, High Wycombe > Home of Philip Strange > HUDSON Mary age 64 widow boarder<<< Thank you for this. So I looked for her on 1911C. There is one in Basford Notts age 74; and 1 in Sheffield, West Yorks age 74. Neither likely. So searched for deaths pre-1911. I also looked for a marriage of STRANGE/HUDSON, just in case. :-)) I've found a death ref on freebmd for a Mary HUDSON in Wandsworth. March qtr 1909. 1d 414. She is shown as 71. Looks promising. I'm waiting for delivery of Alfred John's birth cert in case there are any nasty surprises and will consider sending off for the 1909 death. (If pocket money stretches.) Just thought I'd give you an up-date as you've been so helpful. Best wishes. Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Barton" <marian.r.barton@rogers.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] James HUDSON papermaker Wycombe > > Looks like Louisa married John Saunders. In 1901 census has three > children - John 6, Louisa 4 and William 2 > > Marian

Hi, I have just been checking out Ancestry and found the above records. Under the heading it has Volume 2, Michaelmas Session at Chesham 9th October 1690. It then had Buckinghamshire/ England. After this is lists a large number of people, occupation and residence (ie Thomas King yeoman, East Cleydon) But is does not give a reason for the record. There is in fact a number of these - Easter Session at Aylesbury 4th April, 1695.(ie Marmaduke King, Whaddon, yeomen.) ***** Does anyone know the reason for these records? Also there are a number of different occurrences of records - Jurors for the body of the county, Buckinghamsire, England. Following this is - The following were not sworn: and then lists a number of people. I was confused by the NOT SWORN, as I would have expected these were sworn. *** Does anyone know the meaning of this then? Thank you Regards, Pat Wade (Nee King) Melb, Vic

Good one! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" <ddaniell@woosh.co.nz> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] KING > Hi Trish, > Two of my family did just that same thing late in life (but from Vic) > and when they got home they didn't tell the children but they got > married! > David > > > On 3/04/2009, at 12:55 PM, T. Brownrigg wrote: > >> Hi Pat, >> >> Thank you very much for the information, I would have never guessed >> that he >> had returned to England. Fancy leaving a lovely dry climate of S.A. >> for a >> damp England! I can cross him off my outstandings list. Good luck >> with your >> search for Marguerite. >> >> Thanks again, >> Trish. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [BKM] KING >> >> >>> Hi Trish, >>> >>> Thomas KING born 15/2/1835 in Whaddon, Bucks and >>> died on the 20th Nov 1886 in England registered >>> Paddington 1a 22. He and his second wife went >>> back to England for his health but he died there. >> >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Trish, Two of my family did just that same thing late in life (but from Vic) and when they got home they didn't tell the children but they got married! David On 3/04/2009, at 12:55 PM, T. Brownrigg wrote: > Hi Pat, > > Thank you very much for the information, I would have never guessed > that he > had returned to England. Fancy leaving a lovely dry climate of S.A. > for a > damp England! I can cross him off my outstandings list. Good luck > with your > search for Marguerite. > > Thanks again, > Trish. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> > To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:42 PM > Subject: Re: [BKM] KING > > >> Hi Trish, >> >> Thomas KING born 15/2/1835 in Whaddon, Bucks and >> died on the 20th Nov 1886 in England registered >> Paddington 1a 22. He and his second wife went >> back to England for his health but he died there. > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Pat, Thank you very much for the information, I would have never guessed that he had returned to England. Fancy leaving a lovely dry climate of S.A. for a damp England! I can cross him off my outstandings list. Good luck with your search for Marguerite. Thanks again, Trish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] KING > Hi Trish, > > Thomas KING born 15/2/1835 in Whaddon, Bucks and > died on the 20th Nov 1886 in England registered > Paddington 1a 22. He and his second wife went > back to England for his health but he died there.

Hi Trish, Thomas KING born 15/2/1835 in Whaddon, Bucks and died on the 20th Nov 1886 in England registered Paddington 1a 22. He and his second wife went back to England for his health but he died there. Thomas's father William KING was bap 26/11/1816 Nash and he died at sea on the 8th Feb 1883. His wife Elizabeth nee BUTCHER 26/10/1817 Thornborough, Bucks and died 4/1/1878. There is a whole large family of KING's and BUTCHER's if you are interested! Regards, Pat Wade (Nee King) Melb, Vic -----Original Message----- From: bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of T. Brownrigg Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2009 2:55 PM To: bucks@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKM] KING Hi Pat, Read your post, my interest is in emigrants from BKM to AUS. I had the date of death of Thomas KING tentatively entered as 11.07.1908 in Adelaide, SA, the SA Death Index doesn't seem to show him in 1886. Can you help? Regards, Trish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:30 AM Subject: [BKM] KING > Hi all, > > I am trying to sort out fact from fiction and > making sure what I have is all for the same > person. > > FACT- > 1) Elsa Marguerite KING born in 1883 in South > Australia, daughter of Thomas KING (1835-1886 born > Whaddon, Bucks) and Muriella Octavia KENNEDY (2nd > wife). *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message