----- Original Message ----- From: <eve@varneys.org.uk> > For these sort of questions and to get other opinions it helps to give > the census ref (names etc help too :-) > > > > > > Just a quick note to thank all those that answered my ALCOCK / FROST > > / ELLEY questions. Your help is very much appreciated. I am > > wondering now though was the family living in a toilet or is an Out > > House something different in Eng? You haven't given the full context, but I would expect this merely to be a note that the house is outside the main village. Wasn't he a farmer? Or is it possible that what is says is 'Det' meaning detached. Or even 'Village St' meaning the main street and a house in it.

Outhouse used to mean any kind of extra building, long before most houses had even an outside toilet. Using it to mean outside toilet is an example of the sort of euphemism which has left Americans with no word for the place where people leave their coats. In this case, it could mean a house outside the village. Wendy taylor wrote: > Just a quick note to thank all those that answered my ALCOCK / FROST / ELLEY questions. Your help is very much appreciated. I am wondering now though was the family living in a toilet or is an Out House something different in Eng? > > Regards Wendy > in Australia. > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Wendy For these sort of questions and to get other opinions it helps to give the census ref (names etc help too :-) Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Just a quick note to thank all those that answered my ALCOCK / FROST / > ELLEY questions. Your help is very much appreciated. I am wondering now > though was the family living in a toilet or is an Out House something > different in Eng? > > Regards Wendy > in Australia.

Hi List, The 1881 Census for bucks tells me that Charles J Alcock, farmer, 44yrs was an unmarried head of the house,Loughton His servant, Anne Elley (one of mine) was also unmarried, 30 yrs. I beleive they may have married a few years later, can anyone check the next census to see if this is correct? Also they have a Ruth Froast (maybe Frost), neice, unmarried, 20 yrs, born brill, bucks. Living in the same dwelling Loughton in the 1881 census. Anyone know who she may be? or how she is related? Thanks for any help as always Cheers Wendy in Australia

Wendy, my previous reply was rushed - in case you were still awake down under! A fuller account of the 1891 census is:- Charles Alcock head M 55 Farmer (employer) B Bucks Preston Bissett Ann Alcock wife M 40 b Bucks Gt Horwood Frederick Alcock S son 5 farmer's son b Bucks Loughton Elizabeth Hall S Serv 12 General Servant Domestic b Bucks Loughton The address looks like Village out House! By 1901 the family were living in High St, Ravenstone - there were no other children John Wendy taylor wrote: > Hi List, > > The 1881 Census for bucks tells me that Charles J Alcock, farmer, 44yrs was an unmarried head of the house,Loughton > His servant, Anne Elley (one of mine) was also unmarried, 30 yrs. > > I beleive they may have married a few years later, can anyone check the next census to see if this is correct? > > Also they have a Ruth Froast (maybe Frost), neice, unmarried, 20 yrs, born brill, bucks. Living in the same dwelling Loughton in the 1881 census. Anyone know who she may be? or how she is related? > > > Thanks for any help as always > Cheers Wendy > in Australia > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4016 (20090417) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4016 (20090417) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

The Bucks GS transcription has her as Ann. Address: Village Out House, Loughton Charles ALCOCK 55 Farmer b Preston Bissett Ann wife 40 b Great Horwood Frederick C son 5 Farmers Son b Loughton Elizabeth HALL servant 12 General Servant Domestic b Loughton Our Mail wrote: > Wendy. in 1891 > > Charles 55 Head - farmer > Am (sic!) 40 Wife > Frederick 4 son > > John > > Wendy taylor wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> The 1881 Census for bucks tells me that Charles J Alcock, farmer, 44yrs was an unmarried head of the house,Loughton >> His servant, Anne Elley (one of mine) was also unmarried, 30 yrs. >> >> I beleive they may have married a few years later, can anyone check the next census to see if this is correct? >> >> Also they have a Ruth Froast (maybe Frost), neice, unmarried, 20 yrs, born brill, bucks. Living in the same dwelling Loughton in the 1881 census. Anyone know who she may be? or how she is related? >> >> >> Thanks for any help as always >> Cheers Wendy >> in Australia >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4016 (20090417) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4016 (20090417) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Wendy. in 1891 Charles 55 Head - farmer Am (sic!) 40 Wife Frederick 4 son John Wendy taylor wrote: > Hi List, > > The 1881 Census for bucks tells me that Charles J Alcock, farmer, 44yrs was an unmarried head of the house,Loughton > His servant, Anne Elley (one of mine) was also unmarried, 30 yrs. > > I beleive they may have married a few years later, can anyone check the next census to see if this is correct? > > Also they have a Ruth Froast (maybe Frost), neice, unmarried, 20 yrs, born brill, bucks. Living in the same dwelling Loughton in the 1881 census. Anyone know who she may be? or how she is related? > > > Thanks for any help as always > Cheers Wendy > in Australia > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4016 (20090417) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4016 (20090417) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Wendy The relationship of niece is to the head of household in 1881 (ie Charles J ALCOCK) Ruths parents were Marriages Dec 1856 Alcock Sarah Buckingham 3a 769 Allcock Sarah Buckingham 3a 769 Frost Richard Buckingham 3a 769 As to your possible marriage, this appears on freebmd Marriages Dec 1884 Alcock Charles John Winslow 3a 943 Elley Ann Winslow 3a 943 Of course you would need the marriage cert to confirm they are the people you seek Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi List, > > The 1881 Census for bucks tells me that Charles J Alcock, farmer, 44yrs > was an unmarried head of the house,Loughton > His servant, Anne Elley (one of mine) was also unmarried, 30 yrs. > > I beleive they may have married a few years later, can anyone check the > next census to see if this is correct? > > Also they have a Ruth Froast (maybe Frost), neice, unmarried, 20 yrs, born > brill, bucks. Living in the same dwelling Loughton in the 1881 census. > Anyone know who she may be? or how she is related? > > > Thanks for any help as always > Cheers Wendy > in Australia

 I have searched and searched for a death registration for my great-grandfather, John Newton, but to no avail. If anyone sees him, please let me know :-) Thank you.   He was born 5 October 1831 in Princes Risborough, and was christened 30 December 1832 ; his parents are William and Hannah (nee Picton). He married Mary Green at St John's, Lacey Green 9 March 1861.   Here is other information that I know about him:   1841 census (mistranscribed as Newborn, not easy to read) age 10, in the Poorhouse, Saunderton.   1851 census Agricultural labourer, age 19, Summerleys, Princes Risborough.   Residence at the time of his marriage was Speen, he was a labourer age 28.   1861 census age 28, with wife Mary and 1-month-old daughter Elizabeth at his sister-in-law Elizabeth Green's home in Speen.   1871 census Labourer, age 37, Mary, age 31, Lacemaker, daughter Elizabeth, age 10, Lacemaker, daughter Ann, age 8, son William, age 6, son Herbert, age 3, daughter Amy, age 1, Kingshill, Hughenden.   On his son Ben's birth certificate (1880), he was a farm labourer. NB Ben is my grandfather.   1881 census Labourer, age 50, Boss Lane, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 43, Lacemaker, son William Jesse, age 16, Labourer, son Herbert, age 13, Labourer, daughter Amy Mary, age 11, daughter Rose Adelaid, age 8, son Isaac, age 3, son Benjamin, age 10 months.   On the marriage certificate of his daughter Elizabeth to Henry Bugbird in 1889, it was recorded that he was an engine driver.   1891 census Agricultural labourer, age 61, Widmer End, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 51, son William J, age 26, Chair turner, son Isaac, age 12, son Benjamin, age 10, son Edward J, age 8.   According to the record of his son Will's marriage to Ellen Chilton, in 1893, he was a stoker.   1901 census Farm Ag L, age 71, widowed, Great Kingshill, Hughenden.   On the marriage certificate of his son Ben to Gertrude Sadd in 1911, his profession was stated as engineer and he was 'deceased'.   Thank you for reading this. Joy

Hi Diane Thanks for your mail. I agree with what you say but I had to have a starting point & his age on the 1841 was the only lead I had. Regards Liz -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 715 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Paul I'd agree, that's why I've been looking in Bucks mostly. I really took it to mean he wasn't born in Chilton. Thanks also for looking in Long Crendon, Brill etc. I am very grateful, a negative answer can be as useful as a positive sometimes. Thanks for all your help Regards Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Mary SPENSER > I'd treat the "out of county" with suspicion. The Oxfordshire Marriage > Index shows very few Plesteads, & they're mostly clustered along the > Bucks border, in Thame, Towersey, etc. No sign of your John being born > there, though. > > Paul > > Liz wrote: >> Hi Paul >> >> My John is in the 1841 census for Chilton age 90 so would have been born >> somewhere between 1747 & 1751..he says he was born "out of county" but at >> that age might not have known whether the answer to the question was yes >> or >> no! So really he could have come from anywhere. >> >> Yes I did take the Ashenden John from the IGI but from the extracted >> entries >> on the Hugh Wallis site. He was the son of William & Elizabeth Playstead. >> I >> assumed he was the John who married Mary Spenser. A very dangerous thing >> to >> do I know!!!! But I have been looking for several years. >> >> Think I will put the problem away again and maybe something will turn up >> later. >> >> Regards >> Liz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> >> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [BKM] Mary SPENSER >> >> >> >>> I see the logic of that, & it fits in with the last child born to John & >>> Mary at Ashendon. If you were working from the IGI, (& nothing wrong >>> with that, as a first step - I've found it immensely helpful), it would >>> look a definite possibility - but the burials don't fit. I've had pet >>> ideas knocked on the head by burials before now (but usually burials >>> before the putative marriage), so I know how you feel. >>> >>> I presume you have Johns age from another source (his burial?). >>> >>> There is a John PLAYSTEAD christened at Ashendon in 1747 - son of >>> William & Elizabeth - but I think he may be the one who married Mary. >>> The only other John PLESTEAD or similar after 1726 is John, son of John >>> & Mary, christened 1769. Unless the one who married Mary in 1768 is the >>> one born 1726, son of Edward & Mary . . . . but there's a burial of a >>> John in 1734, child of John & Martha, although I can't find a >>> christening for him. Maybe in another village. There's at least one >>> reference to a Plestead "of Chersley". >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> Liz wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Paul >>>> Very many thanks for the details of burials of John & Mary Plestead in >>>> Ashenden. >>>> I have been trying to find the bap. of a John Plestead b.1747ish who >>>> married >>>> Rebecca ?b. 1761 who started their family in Chilton in 1785 when he >>>> would >>>> have been about 38 & she 23. I had hoped that it was John's second >>>> marriage. But obviously this idea is blown out of the water! >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Liz >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> *************************************** >>> >>> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >>> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >>> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.57/2060 - Release Date: >> 04/15/09 >> 06:34:00 >> >> >> > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.58/2062 - Release Date: 04/16/09 08:12:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 715 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

I'd treat the "out of county" with suspicion. The Oxfordshire Marriage Index shows very few Plesteads, & they're mostly clustered along the Bucks border, in Thame, Towersey, etc. No sign of your John being born there, though. Paul Liz wrote: > Hi Paul > > My John is in the 1841 census for Chilton age 90 so would have been born > somewhere between 1747 & 1751..he says he was born "out of county" but at > that age might not have known whether the answer to the question was yes or > no! So really he could have come from anywhere. > > Yes I did take the Ashenden John from the IGI but from the extracted entries > on the Hugh Wallis site. He was the son of William & Elizabeth Playstead. I > assumed he was the John who married Mary Spenser. A very dangerous thing to > do I know!!!! But I have been looking for several years. > > Think I will put the problem away again and maybe something will turn up > later. > > Regards > Liz > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> > To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [BKM] Mary SPENSER > > > >> I see the logic of that, & it fits in with the last child born to John & >> Mary at Ashendon. If you were working from the IGI, (& nothing wrong >> with that, as a first step - I've found it immensely helpful), it would >> look a definite possibility - but the burials don't fit. I've had pet >> ideas knocked on the head by burials before now (but usually burials >> before the putative marriage), so I know how you feel. >> >> I presume you have Johns age from another source (his burial?). >> >> There is a John PLAYSTEAD christened at Ashendon in 1747 - son of >> William & Elizabeth - but I think he may be the one who married Mary. >> The only other John PLESTEAD or similar after 1726 is John, son of John >> & Mary, christened 1769. Unless the one who married Mary in 1768 is the >> one born 1726, son of Edward & Mary . . . . but there's a burial of a >> John in 1734, child of John & Martha, although I can't find a >> christening for him. Maybe in another village. There's at least one >> reference to a Plestead "of Chersley". >> >> Paul >> >> Liz wrote: >> >>> Hello Paul >>> Very many thanks for the details of burials of John & Mary Plestead in >>> Ashenden. >>> I have been trying to find the bap. of a John Plestead b.1747ish who >>> married >>> Rebecca ?b. 1761 who started their family in Chilton in 1785 when he >>> would >>> have been about 38 & she 23. I had hoped that it was John's second >>> marriage. But obviously this idea is blown out of the water! >>> >>> Regards >>> Liz >>> >>> >>> >>> >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.57/2060 - Release Date: 04/15/09 > 06:34:00 > > >

Liz wrote: > Hi Paul > > My John is in the 1841 census for Chilton age 90 so would have been born > somewhere between 1747 & 1751..he says he was born "out of county" but at > that age might not have known whether the answer to the question was yes or > no! So really he could have come from anywhere. We don't know that John was ever asked for the information about his age and place of birth - unless he was the only person in the household when the enumerator called then the information about his assumed age and place of birth may have been given by someone else in the household using their best guess/knowledge.

Hi Paul My John is in the 1841 census for Chilton age 90 so would have been born somewhere between 1747 & 1751..he says he was born "out of county" but at that age might not have known whether the answer to the question was yes or no! So really he could have come from anywhere. Yes I did take the Ashenden John from the IGI but from the extracted entries on the Hugh Wallis site. He was the son of William & Elizabeth Playstead. I assumed he was the John who married Mary Spenser. A very dangerous thing to do I know!!!! But I have been looking for several years. Think I will put the problem away again and maybe something will turn up later. Regards Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] Mary SPENSER >I see the logic of that, & it fits in with the last child born to John & > Mary at Ashendon. If you were working from the IGI, (& nothing wrong > with that, as a first step - I've found it immensely helpful), it would > look a definite possibility - but the burials don't fit. I've had pet > ideas knocked on the head by burials before now (but usually burials > before the putative marriage), so I know how you feel. > > I presume you have Johns age from another source (his burial?). > > There is a John PLAYSTEAD christened at Ashendon in 1747 - son of > William & Elizabeth - but I think he may be the one who married Mary. > The only other John PLESTEAD or similar after 1726 is John, son of John > & Mary, christened 1769. Unless the one who married Mary in 1768 is the > one born 1726, son of Edward & Mary . . . . but there's a burial of a > John in 1734, child of John & Martha, although I can't find a > christening for him. Maybe in another village. There's at least one > reference to a Plestead "of Chersley". > > Paul > > Liz wrote: >> Hello Paul >> Very many thanks for the details of burials of John & Mary Plestead in >> Ashenden. >> I have been trying to find the bap. of a John Plestead b.1747ish who >> married >> Rebecca ?b. 1761 who started their family in Chilton in 1785 when he >> would >> have been about 38 & she 23. I had hoped that it was John's second >> marriage. But obviously this idea is blown out of the water! >> >> Regards >> Liz >> >> >> > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.57/2060 - Release Date: 04/15/09 06:34:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 715 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

No matching PLESTEADs in Long Crendon, Brill, Dorton or Oakley. That narrows your search a bit. Liz wrote: > Hello Paul > Very many thanks for the details of burials of John & Mary Plestead in > Ashenden. > I have been trying to find the bap. of a John Plestead b.1747ish who married > Rebecca ?b. 1761 who started their family in Chilton in 1785 when he would > have been about 38 & she 23. I had hoped that it was John's second > marriage. But obviously this idea is blown out of the water! > > Regards > Liz > > >

I see the logic of that, & it fits in with the last child born to John & Mary at Ashendon. If you were working from the IGI, (& nothing wrong with that, as a first step - I've found it immensely helpful), it would look a definite possibility - but the burials don't fit. I've had pet ideas knocked on the head by burials before now (but usually burials before the putative marriage), so I know how you feel. I presume you have Johns age from another source (his burial?). There is a John PLAYSTEAD christened at Ashendon in 1747 - son of William & Elizabeth - but I think he may be the one who married Mary. The only other John PLESTEAD or similar after 1726 is John, son of John & Mary, christened 1769. Unless the one who married Mary in 1768 is the one born 1726, son of Edward & Mary . . . . but there's a burial of a John in 1734, child of John & Martha, although I can't find a christening for him. Maybe in another village. There's at least one reference to a Plestead "of Chersley". Paul Liz wrote: > Hello Paul > Very many thanks for the details of burials of John & Mary Plestead in > Ashenden. > I have been trying to find the bap. of a John Plestead b.1747ish who married > Rebecca ?b. 1761 who started their family in Chilton in 1785 when he would > have been about 38 & she 23. I had hoped that it was John's second > marriage. But obviously this idea is blown out of the water! > > Regards > Liz > > >

Hello All, Could someone please repost the message which in which ELLEY was listed at the bottom of the page as one of the names being researched, as I have accidentally touched delete instsead of reply, and cannot remember the full message or the sender. I am researching EELEY and ELLEY is one of the many frequently used variants. Many thanks, Yvonne

Hello Paul Very many thanks for the details of burials of John & Mary Plestead in Ashenden. I have been trying to find the bap. of a John Plestead b.1747ish who married Rebecca ?b. 1761 who started their family in Chilton in 1785 when he would have been about 38 & she 23. I had hoped that it was John's second marriage. But obviously this idea is blown out of the water! Regards Liz -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 714 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Hello to everyone on the Bucks list I hope you are all having great success in your research I'm just starting my Groves Family Tree. I would love any help or suggestions on this Family. I'm trying to find a family on any census around Middlesex London Thomas Groves was a Laborer In1879 he had a son John Richard Groves I don't know his wife's name yet So being able to find them on a census with all the family would be fantasic Looking forward hearing from anyone Julz

Hi Julz Now this may be a silly question but wouldn't your enquiry be better placed on a Middlesex list? Do they have any connection to Bucks? The only John GROVES b1879 I see with a father Thomas happens to be born in MDX but I would want more proof that he is the right one before connecting to him, how did you arrive here? Name: John Groves Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Eliza Gender: Male Where born: Cranford, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Hillingdon Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Uxbridge Sub registration district: Hillingdon ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Groves 46 General Labourer Eliza Groves 43 Charles Groves 19 Emily Groves 17 Jane Groves 15 John Groves 12 Rose Groves 9 Jessie Groves 6 William Groves 3 Percy Groves 4/12 Thomas Groves 22 RG12; Piece: 1019; Folio 91; Page 18; GSU roll: 6096129. The Middlesex list subscribe address is :- MIDDLESEX_COUNTY_UK-request@rootsweb.com Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Subject: [BKM] Groves Research > Hello to everyone on the Bucks list > > I hope you are all having great success in your research > I'm just starting my Groves Family Tree. > I would love any help or suggestions on this Family. > I'm trying to find a family on any census around Middlesex London > > Thomas Groves was a Laborer > > In1879 he had a son > > John Richard Groves > > I don't know his wife's name yet > So being able to find them on a census with all the family would be > fantasic > > > Looking forward hearing from anyone > Julz