Hi Nivard, Brilliant! This is our Albert for sure. I am very grateful for your help. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] marriage 1881-1886 > Hi Margaret > > With respect finding them together in the census does not tell you they > were > married :-) > > However try :- > > Marriages Jun 1886 > BARKER Ruth Newport P. 3a 913 > Holmes Albert Henry Newport Pagnell 3a 913 > TODD William Newport P 3a 913 > WARD Mary Amy Newport P. 3a 913 > > The birth cert for one of the children would give the maiden name of the > mother > > This might be Albert junior ? > > Births Mar 1888 > HOLMES Albert Edward Newport P 3a 736 > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> Albert Holmes b Great Brickhill 1866 married AMY between 1881 and 1886. >> She was born in Newton Longeville circa 1864. We know this from censuses >> BUT I cannot find their marriage on BMD. Has anyone any idea why and how >> to go about finding this record? Margaret > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi again Further to my last post 1871 Name: George Ward Age: 63 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Stoke Hammond, Buckinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Newton Longville Town: Newton Longville County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Newport Pagnell Sub registration district: Fenny Stratford ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 32 Household Members: Name Age George Ward 63 Sarah Ward 60 Harriet Ward 29 Elizabeth Ward 20 Edward William Ward 6 Mary Ann Ward 2 (it looks like Ann on the page but suspect this is Amy) RG10; Piece: 1418; Folio: 8; Page: 7; GSU roll: 828771. 1881 Name: Mary Amy Ward Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Brixton, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Newton Longville County/Island: Buckinghamshire Country: England Street address: London End Occupation: Housekeeper Registration district: Newport Pagnell Sub registration district: Fenny Stratford ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age George Ward 72 William E. Ward 16 Mary Amy Ward 12 RG11; Piece: 1479; Folio: 59; Page: 16; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341358. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Albert Holmes b Great Brickhill 1866 married AMY between 1881 and 1886. > She was born in Newton Longeville circa 1864. We know this from censuses > BUT I cannot find their marriage on BMD. Has anyone any idea why and how > to go about finding this record? Margaret

Hi Margaret With respect finding them together in the census does not tell you they were married :-) However try :- Marriages Jun 1886 BARKER Ruth Newport P. 3a 913 Holmes Albert Henry Newport Pagnell 3a 913 TODD William Newport P 3a 913 WARD Mary Amy Newport P. 3a 913 The birth cert for one of the children would give the maiden name of the mother This might be Albert junior ? Births Mar 1888 HOLMES Albert Edward Newport P 3a 736 Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Albert Holmes b Great Brickhill 1866 married AMY between 1881 and 1886. > She was born in Newton Longeville circa 1864. We know this from censuses > BUT I cannot find their marriage on BMD. Has anyone any idea why and how > to go about finding this record? Margaret

Albert Henry HOLMES married Mary Amy WARD Newport Pagnell Reg District 1886 June Qtr. Free BMD - lots of people were known by their middle name. Tony -----Original Message----- From: bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Holmes Sent: 26 April 2009 10:10 To: bucks@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] marriage 1881-1886 Albert Holmes b Great Brickhill 1866 married AMY between 1881 and 1886. She was born in Newton Longeville circa 1864. We know this from censuses BUT I cannot find their marriage on BMD. Has anyone any idea why and how to go about finding this record? Margaret *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Albert Holmes b Great Brickhill 1866 married AMY between 1881 and 1886. She was born in Newton Longeville circa 1864. We know this from censuses BUT I cannot find their marriage on BMD. Has anyone any idea why and how to go about finding this record? Margaret

Point taken, Nivard. Fortunately I am his next of kin now,(since my fathers` death in 1993) I got some information regarding another relative from the Royal Engineers Association, but he was a great uncle, and I certaily wouldn`t qualify as his next of kin. He was a Colonel, and all. thanks again for the advice. Regards Joe Austen in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Stolen medals

Thanks Lise, I was about to respond that I had got the information I needed, I also have been informed by the Administrators of the Hampshire list that amongst other things my naming of the old folks home is libellous. And even though my uncle and 3 of his 4 siblings were "of Hampshire" they do not deem it fit for their list. I do qualify as next of kin to my uncle.I am the last of my Austen line my grandparents only had two sons, billy died childless, and my dad only had me. I`m also my grandparents oldest surviving grandson. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "lise leresche" <lise.leresche@wanadoo.fr> To: "Joe Austen" <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [SFHG] Stolen medals > Joe > How terribly sad. I can't help you I'm afraid but my first port of call > for military records is the Commonwealth War Graves Commission > http://www.cwgc.org/debt_of_honour.asp and I believe this link corresponds > to your uncle > http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2105510 > > > This link gives you the details for application of service records but do > check out the important "next of kin" note > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/prose01/WW2_Army_ServiceRecord.htm > It can take several months to obtain the records. I'm afraid I know > nothing more. > > Second-hand medals sometimes come up for sale on e-Bay. > Good luck in your hunt > Cheers > Lise in Brittany > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Austen" <austengenealogy@iprimus.com.au> > To: <SFHG-L@rootsweb.com>; <BUCKS@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "HAMPSHIRE LIST" <hampshire-l@rootsweb.com>; > <EOLFHS-MEMBERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2009 5:40 AM > Subject: [SFHG] Stolen medals > > >> >> This is one of those things that I`ve meant to do for some time, but not >> ever got round to doing. Today being ANZAC day. and for the first time in >> many years not working. I`ve got the prompts. >> About 1998 or 1999 my oldest aunt (Annie Florence Tripp nee Austen >> 1910-2000) was a long term resident of "The Leonard West home for the >> aged" in Aylesbury Bucks. Childless she had been a strong moral supporter >> for her parents(my grandparents) until their deaths in 1964 and 1973. >> When grandma died she took possession of the family "Shrine" to her >> younger brother (my father was the youngest) William John Austen 1870908. >> "A Lance Serjeant of 42 Field Company Royal Engineers who was killed by >> shrapnel whilst resting in an Olive Grove on the road to Vamos, Crete on >> the morning of the 27th of May 1941. >> The "Shrine" consisted simply of two simple glass fronted photo type >> frames about 9"x12" containing his various campaign medals.With my uncles >> photo and a fresh "Flanders Poppy" between them. >> My Cousin (a now retired Hampshire Police Officer) >> following the death of his parents assumed the responsibility of her >> affairs.She would normally have been my responsibility, but me being in >> Australia and with no siblings he took it. >> I got the story in 2004 when I visited England for only the second time >> in 34 years. >> I was visiting my cousin as he had all of my Aunts "Things" which >> included "the Shrine" various marriage and birth certificates etc. >> When I mentioned the medals I got the story. >> On one of his regular visits my cousin noticed that my aunt was tearfull >> and agitated. After calming her down he got the story from her. She had >> been a resident of this home for many years, she left her room unlocked >> for a few minutes, whilst she went to do something, when she returned, it >> was gone. >> What I need to know is.(a) is it possible for me to get his service >> record, and details of his medals.(b) were there any distinguishing marks >> on these medals that would identify them specifically as my uncles` (c) >> is it possible to buy copies of the original medals. Regards Joe Austen >> in OZ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SFHG-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >

Extraordinary, that a list administrator would say that naming the home was libellous. You did not accuse the organisation of stealing the medal, merely stated that the medals were stolen from the home. For that to be libellous, it would have to be untrue Truth is an absolute defence against libel. Only lies can be libellous. But we veer off-topic . . .

This is one of those things that I`ve meant to do for some time, but not ever got round to doing. Today being ANZAC day. and for the first time in many years not working. I`ve got the prompts. About 1998 or 1999 my oldest aunt (Annie Florence Tripp nee Austen 1910-2000) was a long term resident of "The Leonard West home for the aged" in Aylesbury Bucks. Childless she had been a strong moral supporter for her parents(my grandparents) until their deaths in 1964 and 1973. When grandma died she took possession of the family "Shrine" to her younger brother (my father was the youngest) William John Austen 1870908. "A Lance Serjeant of 42 Field Company Royal Engineers who was killed by shrapnel whilst resting in an Olive Grove on the road to Vamos, Crete on the morning of the 27th of May 1941. The "Shrine" consisted simply of two simple glass fronted photo type frames about 9"x12" containing his various campaign medals.With my uncles photo and a fresh "Flanders Poppy" between them. My Cousin (a now retired Hampshire Police Officer) following the death of his parents assumed the responsibility of her affairs.She would normally have been my responsibility, but me being in Australia and with no siblings he took it. I got the story in 2004 when I visited England for only the second time in 34 years. I was visiting my cousin as he had all of my Aunts "Things" which included "the Shrine" various marriage and birth certificates etc. When I mentioned the medals I got the story. On one of his regular visits my cousin noticed that my aunt was tearfull and agitated. After calming her down he got the story from her. She had been a resident of this home for many years, she left her room unlocked for a few minutes, whilst she went to do something, when she returned, it was gone. What I need to know is.(a) is it possible for me to get his service record, and details of his medals.(b) were there any distinguishing marks on these medals that would identify them specifically as my uncles` (c) is it possible to buy copies of the original medals. Regards Joe Austen in OZ

Hi Joe (a) next of kin can apply for service records, it costs 30 to 35 pounds and can take around six months (last I was advised) For Officers or Soldiers whose regular or reserve service ended after 1921 Apply to :- Army Personnel Centre HQ Secretariat Historical Disclosures Mail Point 400 Kentigern House 65 Brown Street Glasgow G2 8EX You do need to provide confirmation of relationship (b) as I understand it the WW2 campaign medals were not named (although some were marked privately) (c) yes you can buy copies of full size or miniatures , what you might like to consider is buying another soldiers originals and that way you can not only honour your man but the original man as well, you can find them at specialist sellers or via the likes of ebay For copies try your nearest large newsagent for a copy of the magazine Medal News which has plenty of adverts for both Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) PS its always best to post to one list at a time, crossposting can cause problems for list Admins and cause confusion when others reply to lists they are not subscribed to > What I need to know is.(a) is it possible for me to get his service > record, and details of his medals.(b) were there any distinguishing marks > on these medals that would identify them specifically as my uncles` (c) is > it possible to buy copies of the original medals. Regards Joe Austen in OZ

Thank you for your further helpful suggestions.   No, unfortunately, none of the children were in the Brentford District.   His wife died early 1901. One of their children went to Canada. And I know where the other children would have been.   Never mind, he may turn up one day :-)   Joy --- On Wed, 22/4/09, bucks-request@rootsweb.com <bucks-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: bucks-request@rootsweb.com <bucks-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: BUCKS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 79 To: bucks@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, 22 April, 2009, 8:02 AM The default format for the Digest is Plain text. If you prefer to receive your Digest in MIME format, please contact the list administrator. ************************************** Today's Topics: 1. Re: John Newton death registration (Dianne Sutton) 2. Re: John Newton death registration (Paul Irving) 3. Re: John Newton death registration (Paul Irving) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:18:32 +0100 From: Dianne Sutton <Dianne.Sutton@tesco.net> Subject: Re: [BKM] John Newton death registration To: bucks@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <49ED8158.8000009@tesco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Maybe he went to live with one of his children (or maybe his grandchildren) at the end of his life somewhere other than Great Kingshill. Can you find them in 1901 and 1911 and see if any of them are in a place that is in other than Wycombe Registration District which might then help with a BMD search for a death registration? Paul Irving wrote: > I only have the Bucks FHS transcription of the Hughenden PRs, which ends > in 1901. He wasn't buried there by the end of 1901. > > He was described as a labourer when his daughters Anne & Elizabeth were > christened in 1863 - rather late in the case of Elizabeth, from what the > 1871 census says. > > > > Joy Dean wrote: >> I forgot to say that I had searched the 1911 census and cannot find him there. >> >> His brother James's death was registered in 1902 in Wycombe District. >> >> I do not think that John would have left the area. Would anyone, please, have access to the parish registers for Hughenden? >> >> Thank you for reading this. >> >> >> Joy >> >> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> From: Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: John Newton death registration >> To: BUCKS@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 9:56 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have searched and searched for a death registration for my great-grandfather, John Newton, but to no avail. If anyone sees him, please let me know :-) >> Thank you. >> >> He was born 5 October 1831 in Princes Risborough, and was christened 30 December 1832 ; his parents are William and Hannah (nee Picton). He married Mary Green at St John's, Lacey Green 9 March 1861. >> >> Here is other information that I know about him: >> >> 1841 census (mistranscribed as Newborn, not easy to read) age 10, in the Poorhouse, Saunderton. >> >> 1851 census Agricultural labourer, age 19, Summerleys, Princes Risborough. >> >> Residence at the time of his marriage was Speen, he was a labourer age 28. >> >> 1861 census age 28, with wife Mary and 1-month-old daughter Elizabeth at his sister-in-law Elizabeth Green's home in Speen. >> >> 1871 census Labourer, age 37, Mary, age 31, Lacemaker, daughter Elizabeth, age 10, Lacemaker, daughter Ann, age 8, son William, age 6, son Herbert, age 3, daughter Amy, age 1, Kingshill, Hughenden. >> >> On his son Ben's birth certificate (1880), he was a farm labourer. >> NB Ben is my grandfather. >> >> 1881 census Labourer, age 50, Boss Lane, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 43, Lacemaker, son William Jesse, age 16, Labourer, son Herbert, age 13, Labourer, daughter Amy Mary, age 11, daughter Rose Adelaid, age 8, son Isaac, age 3, son Benjamin, age 10 months. >> >> On the marriage certificate of his daughter Elizabeth to Henry Bugbird in 1889, it was recorded that he was an engine driver. >> >> 1891 census Agricultural labourer, age 61, Widmer End, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 51, son William J, age 26, Chair turner, son Isaac, age 12, son Benjamin, age 10, son Edward J, age 8. >> >> According to the record of his son Will's marriage to Ellen Chilton, in 1893, he was a stoker. >> >> 1901 census Farm Ag L, age 71, widowed, Great Kingshill, Hughenden. >> >> On the marriage certificate of his son Ben to Gertrude Sadd in 1911, his profession was stated as engineer and he was 'deceased'. >> >> Thank you for reading this. >> >> >> Joy >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:53:39 +0100 From: Paul Irving <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [BKM] John Newton death registration To: bucks@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <49ED8993.7090303@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed What did Brentford registration district cover? Any of his children there? John NEWTON aged 79 died Jun qtr 1908 vol 3as page 53. Dianne Sutton wrote: > Maybe he went to live with one of his children (or maybe his > grandchildren) at the end of his life somewhere other than Great Kingshill. > > Can you find them in 1901 and 1911 and see if any of them are in a place > that is in other than Wycombe Registration District which might then > help with a BMD search for a death registration? > > > Paul Irving wrote: > >> I only have the Bucks FHS transcription of the Hughenden PRs, which ends >> in 1901. He wasn't buried there by the end of 1901. >> >> He was described as a labourer when his daughters Anne & Elizabeth were >> christened in 1863 - rather late in the case of Elizabeth, from what the >> 1871 census says. >> >> >> >> Joy Dean wrote: >> >>> I forgot to say that I had searched the 1911 census and cannot find him there. >>> >>> His brother James's death was registered in 1902 in Wycombe District. >>> >>> I do not think that John would have left the area. Would anyone, please, have access to the parish registers for Hughenden? >>> >>> Thank you for reading this. >>> >>> >>> Joy >>> >>> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> From: Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> >>> Subject: John Newton death registration >>> To: BUCKS@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 9:56 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I have searched and searched for a death registration for my great-grandfather, John Newton, but to no avail. If anyone sees him, please let me know :-) >>> Thank you. >>> >>> He was born 5 October 1831 in Princes Risborough, and was christened 30 December 1832 ; his parents are William and Hannah (nee Picton). He married Mary Green at St John's, Lacey Green 9 March 1861. >>> >>> Here is other information that I know about him: >>> >>> 1841 census (mistranscribed as Newborn, not easy to read) age 10, in the Poorhouse, Saunderton. >>> >>> 1851 census Agricultural labourer, age 19, Summerleys, Princes Risborough. >>> >>> Residence at the time of his marriage was Speen, he was a labourer age 28. >>> >>> 1861 census age 28, with wife Mary and 1-month-old daughter Elizabeth at his sister-in-law Elizabeth Green's home in Speen. >>> >>> 1871 census Labourer, age 37, Mary, age 31, Lacemaker, daughter Elizabeth, age 10, Lacemaker, daughter Ann, age 8, son William, age 6, son Herbert, age 3, daughter Amy, age 1, Kingshill, Hughenden. >>> >>> On his son Ben's birth certificate (1880), he was a farm labourer. >>> NB Ben is my grandfather. >>> >>> 1881 census Labourer, age 50, Boss Lane, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 43, Lacemaker, son William Jesse, age 16, Labourer, son Herbert, age 13, Labourer, daughter Amy Mary, age 11, daughter Rose Adelaid, age 8, son Isaac, age 3, son Benjamin, age 10 months. >>> >>> On the marriage certificate of his daughter Elizabeth to Henry Bugbird in 1889, it was recorded that he was an engine driver. >>> >>> 1891 census Agricultural labourer, age 61, Widmer End, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 51, son William J, age 26, Chair turner, son Isaac, age 12, son Benjamin, age 10, son Edward J, age 8. >>> >>> According to the record of his son Will's marriage to Ellen Chilton, in 1893, he was a stoker. >>> >>> 1901 census Farm Ag L, age 71, widowed, Great Kingshill, Hughenden. >>> >>> On the marriage certificate of his son Ben to Gertrude Sadd in 1911, his profession was stated as engineer and he was 'deceased'. >>> >>> Thank you for reading this. >>> >>> >>> Joy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> >>> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >>> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >>> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 09:47:02 +0100 From: Paul Irving <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [BKM] John Newton death registration To: bucks@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <49ED8806.6020303@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Good point. It's also possible that he ended up in a hospital or home outside the registration district, though that would probably be in an adjacent district. Worth checking Berkshire. Paul Dianne Sutton wrote: > Maybe he went to live with one of his children (or maybe his > grandchildren) at the end of his life somewhere other than Great Kingshill. > > Can you find them in 1901 and 1911 and see if any of them are in a place > that is in other than Wycombe Registration District which might then > help with a BMD search for a death registration? > > > ------------------------------ To contact the BUCKS list administrator, send an email to BUCKS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BUCKS mailing list, send an email to BUCKS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Hello Paul Very many thanks for all the look-ups you have done for my John Plestead. I will keep a note of them all & maybe I will find a marriage for him sometime, somewhere. Regards Liz -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 719 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

There was a John PLESTEAD christened Chearsley 02 Oct 1748, son of John & Margaret, & one christened 23 Aug 1752, son of Thomas & Ann (CARTER - mar. 30 Sep 1751, banns). John buried 28 Feb 1759. Margaret (widow) bur 12 Sep 1772. Looks like his second wife. Martha bur 18 Sep 1742, wife of John - 9 days after the christening of Richard, son of John & Martha. First child of John & Margaret christened 1745. There you are - two choices from Chearsley. No marriages for either in the village. Only Plestead in the PRs before 1742 was an entry in 1575. Perhaps they're some of the Ashendon lot, moved down the road to Chearsley. Liz wrote: >> Liz wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul >>> >>> My John is in the 1841 census for Chilton age 90 so would have been born >>> somewhere between 1747 & 1751..he says he was born "out of county" but at >>> that age might not have known whether the answer to the question was yes >>> or >>> no! So really he could have come from anywhere. >>> >>> Yes I did take the Ashenden John from the IGI but from the extracted >>> entries >>> on the Hugh Wallis site. He was the son of William & Elizabeth Playstead. >>> I >>> assumed he was the John who married Mary Spenser. A very dangerous thing >>> to >>> do I know!!!! But I have been looking for several years. >>> >>> Think I will put the problem away again and maybe something will turn up >>> later. >>> >>> Regards >>> Liz >>> >>> ... >>> >>>>> Hello Paul >>>>> Very many thanks for the details of burials of John & Mary Plestead in >>>>> Ashenden. >>>>> I have been trying to find the bap. of a John Plestead b.1747ish who >>>>> married >>>>> Rebecca ?b. 1761 who started their family in Chilton in 1785 when he >>>>> would >>>>> have been about 38 & she 23. I had hoped that it was John's second >>>>> marriage. But obviously this idea is blown out of the water! >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Liz >>>>> >>>>>

What did Brentford registration district cover? Any of his children there? John NEWTON aged 79 died Jun qtr 1908 vol 3as page 53. Dianne Sutton wrote: > Maybe he went to live with one of his children (or maybe his > grandchildren) at the end of his life somewhere other than Great Kingshill. > > Can you find them in 1901 and 1911 and see if any of them are in a place > that is in other than Wycombe Registration District which might then > help with a BMD search for a death registration? > > > Paul Irving wrote: > >> I only have the Bucks FHS transcription of the Hughenden PRs, which ends >> in 1901. He wasn't buried there by the end of 1901. >> >> He was described as a labourer when his daughters Anne & Elizabeth were >> christened in 1863 - rather late in the case of Elizabeth, from what the >> 1871 census says. >> >> >> >> Joy Dean wrote: >> >>> I forgot to say that I had searched the 1911 census and cannot find him there. >>> >>> His brother James's death was registered in 1902 in Wycombe District. >>> >>> I do not think that John would have left the area. Would anyone, please, have access to the parish registers for Hughenden? >>> >>> Thank you for reading this. >>> >>> >>> Joy >>> >>> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> From: Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> >>> Subject: John Newton death registration >>> To: BUCKS@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 9:56 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I have searched and searched for a death registration for my great-grandfather, John Newton, but to no avail. If anyone sees him, please let me know :-) >>> Thank you. >>> >>> He was born 5 October 1831 in Princes Risborough, and was christened 30 December 1832 ; his parents are William and Hannah (nee Picton). He married Mary Green at St John's, Lacey Green 9 March 1861. >>> >>> Here is other information that I know about him: >>> >>> 1841 census (mistranscribed as Newborn, not easy to read) age 10, in the Poorhouse, Saunderton. >>> >>> 1851 census Agricultural labourer, age 19, Summerleys, Princes Risborough. >>> >>> Residence at the time of his marriage was Speen, he was a labourer age 28. >>> >>> 1861 census age 28, with wife Mary and 1-month-old daughter Elizabeth at his sister-in-law Elizabeth Green's home in Speen. >>> >>> 1871 census Labourer, age 37, Mary, age 31, Lacemaker, daughter Elizabeth, age 10, Lacemaker, daughter Ann, age 8, son William, age 6, son Herbert, age 3, daughter Amy, age 1, Kingshill, Hughenden. >>> >>> On his son Ben's birth certificate (1880), he was a farm labourer. >>> NB Ben is my grandfather. >>> >>> 1881 census Labourer, age 50, Boss Lane, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 43, Lacemaker, son William Jesse, age 16, Labourer, son Herbert, age 13, Labourer, daughter Amy Mary, age 11, daughter Rose Adelaid, age 8, son Isaac, age 3, son Benjamin, age 10 months. >>> >>> On the marriage certificate of his daughter Elizabeth to Henry Bugbird in 1889, it was recorded that he was an engine driver. >>> >>> 1891 census Agricultural labourer, age 61, Widmer End, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 51, son William J, age 26, Chair turner, son Isaac, age 12, son Benjamin, age 10, son Edward J, age 8. >>> >>> According to the record of his son Will's marriage to Ellen Chilton, in 1893, he was a stoker. >>> >>> 1901 census Farm Ag L, age 71, widowed, Great Kingshill, Hughenden. >>> >>> On the marriage certificate of his son Ben to Gertrude Sadd in 1911, his profession was stated as engineer and he was 'deceased'. >>> >>> Thank you for reading this. >>> >>> >>> Joy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *************************************** >>> >>> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >>> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >>> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Good point. It's also possible that he ended up in a hospital or home outside the registration district, though that would probably be in an adjacent district. Worth checking Berkshire. Paul Dianne Sutton wrote: > Maybe he went to live with one of his children (or maybe his > grandchildren) at the end of his life somewhere other than Great Kingshill. > > Can you find them in 1901 and 1911 and see if any of them are in a place > that is in other than Wycombe Registration District which might then > help with a BMD search for a death registration? > > >

Maybe he went to live with one of his children (or maybe his grandchildren) at the end of his life somewhere other than Great Kingshill. Can you find them in 1901 and 1911 and see if any of them are in a place that is in other than Wycombe Registration District which might then help with a BMD search for a death registration? Paul Irving wrote: > I only have the Bucks FHS transcription of the Hughenden PRs, which ends > in 1901. He wasn't buried there by the end of 1901. > > He was described as a labourer when his daughters Anne & Elizabeth were > christened in 1863 - rather late in the case of Elizabeth, from what the > 1871 census says. > > > > Joy Dean wrote: >> I forgot to say that I had searched the 1911 census and cannot find him there. >> >> His brother James's death was registered in 1902 in Wycombe District. >> >> I do not think that John would have left the area. Would anyone, please, have access to the parish registers for Hughenden? >> >> Thank you for reading this. >> >> >> Joy >> >> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> >> From: Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> >> Subject: John Newton death registration >> To: BUCKS@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 9:56 PM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have searched and searched for a death registration for my great-grandfather, John Newton, but to no avail. If anyone sees him, please let me know :-) >> Thank you. >> >> He was born 5 October 1831 in Princes Risborough, and was christened 30 December 1832 ; his parents are William and Hannah (nee Picton). He married Mary Green at St John's, Lacey Green 9 March 1861. >> >> Here is other information that I know about him: >> >> 1841 census (mistranscribed as Newborn, not easy to read) age 10, in the Poorhouse, Saunderton. >> >> 1851 census Agricultural labourer, age 19, Summerleys, Princes Risborough. >> >> Residence at the time of his marriage was Speen, he was a labourer age 28. >> >> 1861 census age 28, with wife Mary and 1-month-old daughter Elizabeth at his sister-in-law Elizabeth Green's home in Speen. >> >> 1871 census Labourer, age 37, Mary, age 31, Lacemaker, daughter Elizabeth, age 10, Lacemaker, daughter Ann, age 8, son William, age 6, son Herbert, age 3, daughter Amy, age 1, Kingshill, Hughenden. >> >> On his son Ben's birth certificate (1880), he was a farm labourer. >> NB Ben is my grandfather. >> >> 1881 census Labourer, age 50, Boss Lane, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 43, Lacemaker, son William Jesse, age 16, Labourer, son Herbert, age 13, Labourer, daughter Amy Mary, age 11, daughter Rose Adelaid, age 8, son Isaac, age 3, son Benjamin, age 10 months. >> >> On the marriage certificate of his daughter Elizabeth to Henry Bugbird in 1889, it was recorded that he was an engine driver. >> >> 1891 census Agricultural labourer, age 61, Widmer End, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 51, son William J, age 26, Chair turner, son Isaac, age 12, son Benjamin, age 10, son Edward J, age 8. >> >> According to the record of his son Will's marriage to Ellen Chilton, in 1893, he was a stoker. >> >> 1901 census Farm Ag L, age 71, widowed, Great Kingshill, Hughenden. >> >> On the marriage certificate of his son Ben to Gertrude Sadd in 1911, his profession was stated as engineer and he was 'deceased'. >> >> Thank you for reading this. >> >> >> Joy >> >> >> >> >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I only have the Bucks FHS transcription of the Hughenden PRs, which ends in 1901. He wasn't buried there by the end of 1901. He was described as a labourer when his daughters Anne & Elizabeth were christened in 1863 - rather late in the case of Elizabeth, from what the 1871 census says. Joy Dean wrote: > I forgot to say that I had searched the 1911 census and cannot find him there. > > His brother James's death was registered in 1902 in Wycombe District. > > I do not think that John would have left the area. Would anyone, please, have access to the parish registers for Hughenden? > > Thank you for reading this. > > > Joy > > --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > From: Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> > Subject: John Newton death registration > To: BUCKS@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 9:56 PM > > > > > > > > I have searched and searched for a death registration for my great-grandfather, John Newton, but to no avail. If anyone sees him, please let me know :-) > Thank you. > > He was born 5 October 1831 in Princes Risborough, and was christened 30 December 1832 ; his parents are William and Hannah (nee Picton). He married Mary Green at St John's, Lacey Green 9 March 1861. > > Here is other information that I know about him: > > 1841 census (mistranscribed as Newborn, not easy to read) age 10, in the Poorhouse, Saunderton. > > 1851 census Agricultural labourer, age 19, Summerleys, Princes Risborough. > > Residence at the time of his marriage was Speen, he was a labourer age 28. > > 1861 census age 28, with wife Mary and 1-month-old daughter Elizabeth at his sister-in-law Elizabeth Green's home in Speen. > > 1871 census Labourer, age 37, Mary, age 31, Lacemaker, daughter Elizabeth, age 10, Lacemaker, daughter Ann, age 8, son William, age 6, son Herbert, age 3, daughter Amy, age 1, Kingshill, Hughenden. > > On his son Ben's birth certificate (1880), he was a farm labourer. > NB Ben is my grandfather. > > 1881 census Labourer, age 50, Boss Lane, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 43, Lacemaker, son William Jesse, age 16, Labourer, son Herbert, age 13, Labourer, daughter Amy Mary, age 11, daughter Rose Adelaid, age 8, son Isaac, age 3, son Benjamin, age 10 months. > > On the marriage certificate of his daughter Elizabeth to Henry Bugbird in 1889, it was recorded that he was an engine driver. > > 1891 census Agricultural labourer, age 61, Widmer End, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 51, son William J, age 26, Chair turner, son Isaac, age 12, son Benjamin, age 10, son Edward J, age 8. > > According to the record of his son Will's marriage to Ellen Chilton, in 1893, he was a stoker. > > 1901 census Farm Ag L, age 71, widowed, Great Kingshill, Hughenden. > > On the marriage certificate of his son Ben to Gertrude Sadd in 1911, his profession was stated as engineer and he was 'deceased'. > > Thank you for reading this. > > > Joy > > > > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I forgot to say that I had searched the 1911 census and cannot find him there.   His brother James's death was registered in 1902 in Wycombe District.   I do not think that John would have left the area. Would anyone, please, have access to the parish registers for Hughenden?   Thank you for reading this. Joy --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Joy Dean <joykm3@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: John Newton death registration To: BUCKS@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 9:56 PM  I have searched and searched for a death registration for my great-grandfather, John Newton, but to no avail. If anyone sees him, please let me know :-) Thank you.   He was born 5 October 1831 in Princes Risborough, and was christened 30 December 1832 ; his parents are William and Hannah (nee Picton). He married Mary Green at St John's, Lacey Green 9 March 1861.   Here is other information that I know about him:   1841 census (mistranscribed as Newborn, not easy to read) age 10, in the Poorhouse, Saunderton.   1851 census Agricultural labourer, age 19, Summerleys, Princes Risborough.   Residence at the time of his marriage was Speen, he was a labourer age 28.   1861 census age 28, with wife Mary and 1-month-old daughter Elizabeth at his sister-in-law Elizabeth Green's home in Speen.   1871 census Labourer, age 37, Mary, age 31, Lacemaker, daughter Elizabeth, age 10, Lacemaker, daughter Ann, age 8, son William, age 6, son Herbert, age 3, daughter Amy, age 1, Kingshill, Hughenden.   On his son Ben's birth certificate (1880), he was a farm labourer. NB Ben is my grandfather.   1881 census Labourer, age 50, Boss Lane, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 43, Lacemaker, son William Jesse, age 16, Labourer, son Herbert, age 13, Labourer, daughter Amy Mary, age 11, daughter Rose Adelaid, age 8, son Isaac, age 3, son Benjamin, age 10 months.   On the marriage certificate of his daughter Elizabeth to Henry Bugbird in 1889, it was recorded that he was an engine driver.   1891 census Agricultural labourer, age 61, Widmer End, Hughenden, Buckingham, Mary, age 51, son William J, age 26, Chair turner, son Isaac, age 12, son Benjamin, age 10, son Edward J, age 8.   According to the record of his son Will's marriage to Ellen Chilton, in 1893, he was a stoker.   1901 census Farm Ag L, age 71, widowed, Great Kingshill, Hughenden.   On the marriage certificate of his son Ben to Gertrude Sadd in 1911, his profession was stated as engineer and he was 'deceased'.   Thank you for reading this. Joy

Just a quick note to thank all those that answered my ALCOCK / FROST / ELLEY questions. Your help is very much appreciated. I am wondering now though was the family living in a toilet or is an Out House something different in Eng? Regards Wendy in Australia.

According to the Bucks GS transcription, it says exactly what I said in my post sent 12.03 yesterday: "Village Out House" The previous house is said to be "Rectory Lane" (the last of a run of them), & the next one "Village End". I suggest it's a house a little way out of the village. RG12/1149 f. 99 Nivard Ovington wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <eve@varneys.org.uk> > > > > For these sort of questions and to get other opinions it helps to give > >> the census ref (names etc help too :-) >> >> >>> Just a quick note to thank all those that answered my ALCOCK / FROST >>> / ELLEY questions. Your help is very much appreciated. I am >>> wondering now though was the family living in a toilet or is an Out >>> House something different in Eng? >>> > > You haven't given the full context, but I would expect this merely to be > a note that the house is outside the main village. Wasn't he a farmer? > > Or is it possible that what is says is 'Det' meaning detached. Or even > 'Village St' meaning the main street and a house in it. > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >