...............what is the point of belonging to a mailing list if you are just going to delete the emails because you can't be bothered to read them? Some of them have hidden gems. And are we not all here to help each other? Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi ???? > (no name) > > I confess I am unsure what you mean ? > > Every posting in the thread has had the names running through it > > Or do you mean names in the subject line? > > If thats the only reason you read a posting there are easier ways of doing > it > > In the same way its useful to include part of the previous post so others > know what you are replying to > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > >> IIt would be nice if the correspodence about marriage quoted some names, >> one could then decide whether to read it or just delete it >> > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello all you knowledgeable people ! This is a general question that I am hoping someone can help me with. Does anyone know how a person in the mid to late 1850's would obtain certification as a National Schoolmaster/Mistress? Also how they obtained their "postings" to the various schools in which they taught. I have a husband and wife who were born and schooled in Gloucestershire and Wiltshire respectively. Their first joint posting was to Burton Latimer, Northants. The next to Sowerby, West Riding, Yorkshire amd lastly to Middleton in Lancashire. It would appear that there was some central body directing these teachers around the country and/or taking applications for transfers, apart from the original certifications. Has anyone come across a website on the subject ? Any direction to some kind of information would be much appreciated. Gill Smith

Hi ???? (no name) I confess I am unsure what you mean ? Every posting in the thread has had the names running through it Or do you mean names in the subject line? If thats the only reason you read a posting there are easier ways of doing it In the same way its useful to include part of the previous post so others know what you are replying to Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > IIt would be nice if the correspodence about marriage quoted some names, > one could then decide whether to read it or just delete it

Another reason for surnames/places in the subject line is for searching the archives. When you put in your surname/town  in the archive search it will bring up those with your surname/town, something like "Help" or "searching for ancestors"  in the subject line gives no clue.When new members join they often search the archives to check to see if perhaps a question they have has already been addressed, or check to see if their family name has been discussed. I know I do that when ever I join a new list... There are many good reasons for the subject line to be a little specific. I am one who is in favor of surnames/towns etc. in the subject line to separate a specific family question from a general Marriage, birth etc research question. I do not read each and every post all of the time, I belong to far too many lists for that.  I agree there are often hidden gems and when I have time I do read through posts that I sometimes would have passed over if I am busy. . When I am short on time I appriciate informative subject lines, that's one reason why we have them. Jo Saunders http://joni.tribalpages.com/

Sorry I perhaps did not make myself clear I meant names in the Subject line of course. I am a member of several county lines and receive sometimes over 100 emails in a day. It is less time consuming to be able to pick out those which are of interest

IIt would be nice if the correspodence about marriage quoted some names, one could then decide whether to read it or just delete it

Hi again Thelma I realised I forgot to mention Maids Moreton as a Parish See http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/MaidsMoreton/Index.html And Foscott http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/Foscott/Index.html And Buckingham http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/bkm/Buckingham/Index.html Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Thank you for your reply Nivard. > My gg grandmother was Martha E(MM)ERTON born 31 Dec 1824 in Buckingham. I > found them in the 1841 census. She was the first child I believe, although > there went on to be several others. > I have the marriage for Martha and it says the Parish of Buckingham. I am > not sure if that means that Maids Moreton is covered by the Parish of > Buckingham or if she married in Buckingham itself. These places are so > small > it may be covered by Buckingham. Martha gave birth in Maids Moreton to two > children George and Ann and Martha's husband was Thomas ALLEN from > Foscott. > Martha died two weeks after the birth of Ann, my g grandmother. > Hope this helps to give more clues. > Thank you for looking, > Thelma

Hi again Thelma Is the couple in Buckingham yours in 1841? If so I can see what looks to be the same family in 1851 , wife Ann is a widow born 1801 in Buckingham I have just received your reply so it is the same family In which case the Jane born 1840ish might be this one Births Jun 1839 Emerton Jane Buckingham 6 301 Emerton Jane Buckingham 6 361 There are two refs as the page is unclear, comparing the 6's is inconclusive This would give the mothers maiden name Another possible is Births Jun 1842 EMERTON Sarah Elizabeth Buckingham 6 343 Martha appears in the IGI as Martha Emmerton Christening: 31 DEC 1824 Buckingham, Buckingham, England Father: Joseph Emmerton Family Mother: Ann Emmerton I053734 Film (it is one of the later I batches so is an extraction) In the 1861 census Thomas & Robert are with their grandfather in Buckingham, James EMERTON aged 80 born Buckingham, address Mill Bank Still no obvious marriage though Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, I am new to the list and am trying to find a date for the Buckingham > marriage of Joseph E(M)MERTON and Ann ?. They were born in 1801 and 1802 > respectively and their first daughter, my gg grandmether was born 31 Dec > 1824 and so I would imagine it would be around 1820. Does anyone have > information that they could share with me please? > Thank you for your help, > Thelma

Hi Thelma I admire your optimism (marrying four years before the birth <vbg>) I suspect it would help to say where your g.g.grandmother was born and what her name was ? Any other siblings? Where were Joseph and Ann born ? Have you found them in a later census? (I presume you have) I haven't found anything like a possible marriage so more details might help others to help you Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, I am new to the list and am trying to find a date for the Buckingham > marriage of Joseph E(M)MERTON and Ann ?. They were born in 1801 and 1802 > respectively and their first daughter, my gg grandmether was born 31 Dec > 1824 and so I would imagine it would be around 1820. Does anyone have > information that they could share with me please? > Thank you for your help, > Thelma

Thanks Nivard for your tireless searching. I appreciate you helping me. Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] Marriage > Hi again Thelma > > Is the couple in Buckingham yours in 1841? > > If so I can see what looks to be the same family in 1851 , wife Ann is a > widow born 1801 in Buckingham > > I have just received your reply so it is the same family > > In which case the Jane born 1840ish might be this one > > Births Jun 1839 > Emerton Jane Buckingham 6 301 > Emerton Jane Buckingham 6 361 > > There are two refs as the page is unclear, comparing the 6's is > inconclusive > > This would give the mothers maiden name > > Another possible is > > Births Jun 1842 > EMERTON Sarah Elizabeth Buckingham 6 343 > > Martha appears in the IGI as > > Martha Emmerton > Christening: 31 DEC 1824 Buckingham, Buckingham, England > Father: Joseph Emmerton Family > Mother: Ann Emmerton > I053734 Film > > (it is one of the later I batches so is an extraction) > > In the 1861 census Thomas & Robert are with their grandfather in > Buckingham, > James EMERTON aged 80 born Buckingham, address Mill Bank > > Still no obvious marriage though > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK)

Thank you for your reply Nivard. My gg grandmother was Martha E(MM)ERTON born 31 Dec 1824 in Buckingham. I found them in the 1841 census. She was the first child I believe, although there went on to be several others. I have the marriage for Martha and it says the Parish of Buckingham. I am not sure if that means that Maids Moreton is covered by the Parish of Buckingham or if she married in Buckingham itself. These places are so small it may be covered by Buckingham. Martha gave birth in Maids Moreton to two children George and Ann and Martha's husband was Thomas ALLEN from Foscott. Martha died two weeks after the birth of Ann, my g grandmother. Hope this helps to give more clues. Thank you for looking, Thelma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] Marriage > Hi Thelma > > I admire your optimism (marrying four years before the birth <vbg>) > > I suspect it would help to say where your g.g.grandmother was born and > what > her name was ? > > Any other siblings? > > Where were Joseph and Ann born ? > > Have you found them in a later census? (I presume you have) > > I haven't found anything like a possible marriage so more details might > help > others to help you > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK)

Hi, I am new to the list and am trying to find a date for the Buckingham marriage of Joseph E(M)MERTON and Ann ?. They were born in 1801 and 1802 respectively and their first daughter, my gg grandmether was born 31 Dec 1824 and so I would imagine it would be around 1820. Does anyone have information that they could share with me please? Thank you for your help, Thelma

I'm trying to find information about John Burke, residing at Vale Cottage, Wendover, Bucks. in 1915. At that stage he would have been 50 years of age, having been born in Ireland in 1865. I'd be interested to know if he was married at that stage, and when and where he died. Any suggestions as to where to look would be much appreciated. And where to see if Vale Cottage still exists. Many thanks. Rod Smith, Wellington, New Zealand.

Dear listers, I have a conundrum and seek members input. I have a James Wheeler in my line who was born in Wooburn, 11/12/1757. Seeking to find his marriage separate branches of the extended family have attributed two different marriage options. They contend that either James Wheeler married Sarah Mortimore 29/3/1790 at Exeter in Devon OR James Wheeler married Elizabeth Browne 2/4/1782 at Taplow in Bucks. No documentation I can find to date allows me to establish the identity of the parents in either case. Is there any way forward? Awaiting the benefit of accumulated wisdom in such matters. Yours in OZ. Hugh Wheeler.

Truth is an absolute defence here in England, but the burden of proof is on the person who made the statement. I suspect it is the same in Australia, & is how your Australian politicians make money. They rely on it not being possible to prove the allegations.It also happens here. However, I can't see how this claim would be libellous even if untrue. But we really shouldn't take this further. Too far off-topic. moura wrote: > "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> wrote > > >> Extraordinary, that a list administrator would say that naming the home > >> was libellous. You did not accuse the organisation of stealing the >> medal, merely stated that the medals were stolen from the home. >> > > I too had problems understanding why a mere mention of the place where the > theft took place could be considered to be in any way libel. > > For that > >> to be libellous, it would have to be untrue Truth is an absolute defence >> against libel. Only lies can be libellous. >> > > I think that the 'truth' defence depends upon the country. I'm fairly sure > that it applies in the US but it doesn't in Australia. Here sueing > newspapers for libel used to be a nice little earner for politicians. > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi bob, Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons <g> Don't forget that not all children were baptised individually. I've seen records where 2, 3 or even 4 children were baptised the same day, but their ages varied by more than 4 years. Some later PR's give the DoB which is really helpful but I can't remember seeing a PR with a DoB back in the 1700's in my own research. Kind regards, Jon

HI Firstly you could look at originals of both PR's for clues However it is quite unusual to wait for 8 years before children is born, I normally determine the date to look for a marriage by ascertaining baptisms of siblings of the person concerned. IF there are a number of children at a failry regular interval, then the year of the first and going back 4 years is a fairly good guide, allows for losing the first child. If there is only one child this won't work though Bob > Dear listers, > > I have a conundrum and seek members input. > > I have a James Wheeler in my line who was born in Wooburn, 11/12/1757. > > Seeking to find his marriage separate branches of the extended family have > attributed two different marriage options. > > They contend that either James Wheeler married Sarah Mortimore 29/3/1790 > at Exeter in Devon OR > > James Wheeler married Elizabeth Browne 2/4/1782 at Taplow in Bucks. > > No documentation I can find to date allows me to establish the identity of > the parents in either case. > > Is there any way forward? > > Awaiting the benefit of accumulated wisdom in such matters. > > Yours in OZ. > > Hugh Wheeler. > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

"Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> wrote > Extraordinary, that a list administrator would say that naming the home > > was libellous. You did not accuse the organisation of stealing the > medal, merely stated that the medals were stolen from the home. I too had problems understanding why a mere mention of the place where the theft took place could be considered to be in any way libel. For that > to be libellous, it would have to be untrue Truth is an absolute defence > against libel. Only lies can be libellous. I think that the 'truth' defence depends upon the country. I'm fairly sure that it applies in the US but it doesn't in Australia. Here sueing newspapers for libel used to be a nice little earner for politicians.

Hugh, Is this a Bucks family or a Devon family? Perhaps consider why a Bucks man would marry in Devon, or vice-versa. You might get the Exeter parish registers (if it hasn't been done) and look at a the marriage of James Wheeler to Ann Land in 1799 to see if that is a widowed James Wheeler remarrying. Also, does your James Wheeler actually remain in Devon? Do the two men (James and James) and two women (Sarah and Elizabeth) have children born at the same time? I would lay out both families in a diagram and see what results. Where do the children of your James Wheeler say they were born in the 1841 or 1851 census? You can see several children born to a couple called James and Sarah through 1794 in various parishes. Later, James Wheeler and Ann Land have children baptized in Exeter. James Wheeler and Sarah Mortimore md 29 Mar 1790 and had their first child in May according to extracted records. (If this is the same couple). Is that significant - other than the fact that they left it late to get married? Then, can you find the burials of James Wheeler, Sarah Mortimore and Ann Land? I would concentrate on that generation and their children, comparing children, places of birth, and burials, even names, etc. to see if the clue is there. There must be something to differentiate the two couples. If not, then perhaps look for a will in Devon that might mention James Wheeler. Liane

Wonderful. Now I know what her maiden name was I can look her up. Housekeeper aged 12! Mind you my mother left school in 1921 aged 13 to look after her father and brothers, 5 of them so not much changed in the ensuing 40 years. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] marriage 1881-1886 > Hi again > > Further to my last post > > 1871 > Name: George Ward > Age: 63 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 > Relation: Head > Spouse's Name: Sarah > Gender: Male > Where born: Stoke Hammond, Buckinghamshire, England > Civil Parish: Newton Longville > Town: Newton Longville > County/Island: Buckinghamshire > Country: England > Registration district: Newport Pagnell > Sub registration district: Fenny Stratford > ED, institution, or vessel: 10 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household schedule number: 32 > Household Members: > Name Age > George Ward 63 > Sarah Ward 60 > Harriet Ward 29 > Elizabeth Ward 20 > Edward William Ward 6 > Mary Ann Ward 2 > (it looks like Ann on the page but suspect this is Amy) > > RG10; Piece: 1418; Folio: 8; Page: 7; GSU roll: 828771. > > 1881 > > Name: Mary Amy Ward > Age: 12 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 > Relation: Granddaughter > Gender: Female > Where born: Brixton, Middlesex, England > Civil Parish: Newton Longville > County/Island: Buckinghamshire > Country: England > Street address: London End > Occupation: Housekeeper > Registration district: Newport Pagnell > Sub registration district: Fenny Stratford > ED, institution, or vessel: 10 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household Members: > Name Age > George Ward 72 > William E. Ward 16 > Mary Amy Ward 12 > > RG11; Piece: 1479; Folio: 59; Page: 16; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341358. > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> Albert Holmes b Great Brickhill 1866 married AMY between 1881 and 1886. >> She was born in Newton Longeville circa 1864. We know this from censuses >> BUT I cannot find their marriage on BMD. Has anyone any idea why and how >> to go about finding this record? Margaret > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message