There is a very interesting autobiography of a Claydons schoolteacher, Hubert Chapman of Botolph Claydon, b 1906 who started as a pupil teacher with John Alfred White, the Arthur Walter (a real scholar whose wife taught music; he attended some 'polishing' classes at the larger Steeple Claydon school, where they had a graduate Headmaster (John Thomas Read) keen on Eng;lish literature and himself an author. Hubert did two years uncertificated teachging at a rather rough school on the outskirts of Wycombe. He did eventually get to Culham Training College (a CofE one) where his practical knowledge of teaching made up for something lacking in his theoretical Maths and science. His (much) younger brothers followed an easier track, from a Grammar school (the Royal Latin at Buckingham) straight into Goldsmith's College in London.. I recommend this book 'A Villahe Upbringing' to anyone interested in teaching early last century - and also to anyone interested in the Claydons, since he mentions a vast rane of local people and their families. (I created an index to all the names he mentions, and published it, in three pages, in Bucks Ancestor a few years back. EVE

There is a very interesting autobiography of a Claydons schoolteacher, Hubert Chapman of Botolph Claydon, b 1906 who started as a pupil teacher with John Alfred White, the Arthur Walter (a real scholar whose wife taught music; he attended some 'polishing' classes at the larger Steeple Claydon school, where they had a graduate Headmaster (John Thomas Read) keen on Eng;lish literature and himself an author. Hubert did two years uncertificated teachging at a rather rough school on the outskirts of Wycombe. He did eventually get to Culham Training College (a CofE one) where his practical knowledge of teaching made up for something lacking in his theoretical Maths and science. His (much) younger brothers followed an easier track, from a Grammar school (the Royal Latin at Buckingham) straight into Goldsmith's College in London.. I recommend this book 'A Villahe Upbringing' to anyone interested in teaching early last century - and also to anyone interested in the Claydons, since he mentions a vast rane of local people and their families. (I created an index to all the names he mentions, and published it, in three pages, in Bucks Ancestor a few years back. EVE

There is a very interesting autobiography of a Claydons schoolteacher, Hubert Chapman of Botolph Claydon, b 1906 who started as a pupil teacher with John Alfred White, the Arthur Walter (a real scholar whose wife taught music; he attended some 'polishing' classes at the larger Steeple Claydon school, where they had a graduate Headmaster (John Thomas Read) keen on Eng;lish literature and himself an author. Hubert did two years uncertificated teachging at a rather rough school on the outskirts of Wycombe. He did eventually get to Culham Training College (a CofE one) where his practical knowledge of teaching made up for something lacking in his theoretical Maths and science. His (much) younger brothers followed an easier track, from a Grammar school (the Royal Latin at Buckingham) straight into Goldsmith's College in London.. I recommend this book 'A Villahe Upbringing' to anyone interested in teaching early last century - and also to anyone interested in the Claydons, since he mentions a vast rane of local people and their families. (I created an index to all the names he mentions, and published it, in three pages, in Bucks Ancestor a few years back. EVE

Will Philip Bennett, who enquired about his family in Beachamp[ton, please get in touch directly - his e-mail address bounced my reply. eve@varneys.org.uk

Will Philip Bennett, who enquired about his family in Beachamp[ton, please get in touch directly - his e-mail address bounced my reply. eve@varneys.org.uk

Hi Joan, There were a lot of William and Mary STONEs in the area you are looking in and probably several marriages betweens Williams and Marys! The age derived from the censuses should not be treated as exact so you need to be looking at say +-5 yrs around the dates you mentioned. Now that you are looking at pre-census times you DO need to start searching parish records (the IGI Bucks entries are incomplete) and wills. Luckily the Bucks FHS have a BMD index which they take to the Bucks RO (Tues last I heard) which is an immense help. HTH > ------------------------------ > From: "Joan" <jmmj75@talktalk.net> > Subject: Re: [BKM] Wills at Bucks RO for STONE and HUDSON > > Hello Anne. Many thanks for offer. When you have the time I should be > grateful if you could please check on an entry I have for a marriage: > > 1829 Feb 8 William STONE & Mary STONE, 25 & 19, Wit: John Stone, Mary Stone. > This seems a little odd. Perhaps they were "cousins" or someone has > transcribed the document incorrectly? > > Both witnesses are STONEs. They might be parents or siblings? With the help > of VKS I have tracked a family of William and Mary STONES from 1841C-1891C. > All the ages given indicate a birth date for William of app 1803; and for > Mary, the year 1810. (At the last count I had 11 children's names.) > > However, in an image downloaded from Ancestry showing lineage of several > STONE families, it shows a Mary STONE (bap 30 Sep 1810) marriage at St > Mary's, Radnage, to a Joseph SPRINGELL, on 10 August 1835. > > Also, from the chart it appears that William STONE bap 28 September 1803 was > the 5th child of Robert STONE and Ann AVERY; and Mary STONE bap September > was his sister! > > I'm quite sure it is me who has got "the proverbial" twisted and if you > could determine the correct marriage entry I can walk properly again! :-) > Thank you. Joan.

Hello list, On the news this morning they announced that the identification of remains from unmarked war graves in Fromelles, behind German lines, has begun. The CWGC are to oversee the recovery of the remains and to create a new military cemetery at Fromelles for their reburial. On this website www.fromelles.org there is a list of British men who are believed to be buried there and a good many are from Bucks. Hope this helps someone, Alice

Approx 2000 unidentified bodies of Commonwealth soldiers have been discovered in a mass grave at Fromelles. The CWGC are proposing to build a new cemetery and forensic scientists are in the long process of trying to identify the bodies. It is known that amongst others, the Oxfordshire and Bucks regiments were involved in the battle and casualties were simply listed as missing. Possible descendants can log on and register an interest at www.fromelles.org <http://www.fromelles.org/> Tony

Hi I have followed with interest the comments made about schoolteachers. I have been trying to track down an Uncle and Aunt both elementary school teachers Both born c1870 one in England and one in Ireland. The Irish one I have found to have been teaching in Methodist College Belfast after completing training in Dublin. I cannot find anything on him when he was teaching in England. My Aunt I can find nothing on at all other than what is listed on the cenus. Any ideas where I might look for these people?? Many Thanks

Hello Anne. Many thanks for offer. When you have the time I should be grateful if you could please check on an entry I have for a marriage: 1829 Feb 8 William STONE & Mary STONE, 25 & 19, Wit: John Stone, Mary Stone. This seems a little odd. Perhaps they were "cousins" or someone has transcribed the document incorrectly? Both witnesses are STONEs. They might be parents or siblings? With the help of VKS I have tracked a family of William and Mary STONES from 1841C-1891C. All the ages given indicate a birth date for William of app 1803; and for Mary, the year 1810. (At the last count I had 11 children's names.) However, in an image downloaded from Ancestry showing lineage of several STONE families, it shows a Mary STONE (bap 30 Sep 1810) marriage at St Mary's, Radnage, to a Joseph SPRINGELL, on 10 August 1835. Also, from the chart it appears that William STONE bap 28 September 1803 was the 5th child of Robert STONE and Ann AVERY; and Mary STONE bap September was his sister! I'm quite sure it is me who has got "the proverbial" twisted and if you could determine the correct marriage entry I can walk properly again! :-) Thank you. Joan. FYI. I did send a message off-list but it bounced. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANNE KENNEDY" <chrysalisanne@btinternet.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Wills at Bucks RO for STONE and HUDSON Hello Joan, I have done much researching of my roots in the Radnage parish registers in High Wycombe library for my Withers ancestors. Have seen many references to the Stone family there. I could perhaps look up for you if you're not in too much of a hurry! Regards, Anne. -request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul -- I have done the parish record transcriptions and have been through the Milton Keynes data -- will check about the wills. Thanks for the tip. WILMORs recorded in the 1798 Posse Comitatus -- I have seen that, but being an ignorant American heathen, I am not sure how to use it. Can you give an explanation of what it is? Thanks, Ann Marr

Graham, Thanks for the info -- I am guessing from those numbers that the families I list include an awful lot of second marriages for the men. >From my research, my opinion is that there were at least two distinct strains of Wilmer/Willmore/whatever in Bucks starting in the late 1600's. A William Wilmore/Woolman was baptized in Little Horwood 1652 - his father was also named William. He may have been the progenitor of the Little Horwood family. Also, from one spelling of the surname, it is possible he was a sibling of the Padbury James -- but there is nothing to prove it. The earliest Wilmore in my line that I have in any way proven is James with wife Elizabeth and children William, Richard and 2 James C's - all chr in 1740's and resided Padbury. Another James with wife?Mary?and children James?chr 1682??Sarah 1678 and William 1684 are the earliest I found there. There was a family with a father named Wiliam Wilmer?in Bow Brickhill in the mid 1500's and a Susan Wilmar b 1582 in Great Missenden. If this William is the earliest in Bucks (so far he is the earliest I have identified) he may be the progenitor, but there were Wilmer/Wilmores in Northamptonshire... My mini one-name study works much better if I make assumptions, but I am going conservative for now. Right now, I am putting together the Judge family - Ann Judge m. William Wilmore/Wilmer 1764 - it is clear the Judges predate Willmore in Padbury. I will be back sometime with more results. Ann Marr

Pupil Teachers did not necessarily go to training College. My aunt who was born in 1906 was a pupil teacher and taught at a church school in Cheshire and taught me when I was 5 years old. She eventually became head of the infant department at that school and was very highly regarded by her ex-pupils. Many of them attended her funeral in 2001. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "sharon starkey" <rlsastarkey@shaw.ca> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Off topic - Schoolteachers With regard to training school teachers, I acquired the following information on the Internet (but, I have misplaced the website). "In 1846 the British Government took on most of the costs of training school teachers, although the training colleges remained denominational. A pupil-teacher system was adopted whereby, in schools approved by an inspector, children aged thirteen years could be apprenticed to a teacher for five years and, after passing an examination, could attend a training college for three years. During the day the pupil teacher acted as an assistant teacher, and after school he received special instruction from the schoolmaster, following a set syllabus. Pupil-teachers had to undergo annual examinations by H.M. Inspectors of Schools, and were paid £10 during the first year with an additional £2-10s for each subsequent year. The intention was for pupil-teachers to progress to teacher training college where they would receive specific training aimed at certifying them to a set standard." My 2xs great grandfather, Henry King, was noted as a pupil teacher at Steeple Claydon, Bucks, on the 1851 census, when he was 16 years old. Family notes state that he later went to London to a teacher training college - possibly the Borough Road College, but I don't have access to records to confirm this possibility. I assume that Henry applied for a teaching position at one or more schools as he neared the completion of his teacher training. But, again I have no documentation to back up my assumption. Henry King was married at Steeple Claydon in 1858, and was later noted as a schoolmaster on the 1861 and 1871 census of Kimbolten, Hunts. Sharon Starkey, nee King ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Smith" <geneagill@i-zoom.net> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: [BKM] Off topic - Schoolteachers > Hello all you knowledgeable people ! > > This is a general question that I am hoping someone can help me with. > Does anyone know how a person in the mid to late 1850's would obtain > certification as a National Schoolmaster/Mistress? Also how they obtained > their "postings" to the various schools in which they taught. > > I have a husband and wife who were born and schooled in > Gloucestershire and Wiltshire respectively. Their first joint posting was > to Burton Latimer, Northants. The next to Sowerby, West Riding, Yorkshire > amd lastly to Middleton in Lancashire. > > It would appear that there was some central body directing these > teachers around the country and/or taking applications for transfers, > apart from the original certifications. > > Has anyone come across a website on the subject ? > > Any direction to some kind of information would be much appreciated. > > Gill Smith > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, Thank you for giving the source for the name National Schools. I see from that site they were actually the schools of the established church. As a foreigner I'd assumed the name meant they were central-government funded and never thought that the name might come from such as the National Society. Thanks for explaining that. David On 3/05/2009, at 6:32 PM, Our Mail wrote: > Gill, my wife's gg grandfather attended the Culham Training College - > a C > . . . . . > > To answer your original question, I think his posting probably came > via > the college. However you might like to read up on The National > Society. This was formed in 1811 with the aim of setting up a > school in > every parish - so it's possible they exercised a central co-ordinating > role. Start with http://www.natsoc.org.uk/society/history/ > As for your ancestors - I suggest that you start by looking for > training > colleges in Gloucestershire and see if they have any record. > Probably > only the husband attended such a college. > > John

Hi Gill Having some National School Teachers in my line I have been down this road a few times, all my wives of National School Teachers were themselves accredited teachers in their own right though I found mention of one of mine (Charlotte YOELL my great grandfathers sister) in the following book on googlebooks http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0CsLAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=National+Society%27s+Monthly+Paper&ei=XZL9Se6LFY2oyASikujuBQ#PPP1,M1 It or similar may be useful in your research, there is alot of information in it which helps There are also some interesting ones on Archive.org such as :- The National School Magazine (1825) It also gives a flavour of the things being taught at that time to children (perhaps they should revert to some of these <g>) Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Thank you John for this information. This gives me hope that I can find > such information as you have on your gg grandfather. Unlike your > situation > I have now found the wife in a young ladies training school located in The > Close of Salisbury Cathedral - this in 1851 at the age of 17. I had noted > that all the schools at which they taught seemed to be closely associated > with the church. > > Much appreciated help from John and David > > Gill Smith

Hi Ann I too am descended from Wilmers and Wilmores. My lot though I can only trace back to a John Willmer of Little Horwood, who married there in December 1757. His wife Martha Richardson was baptised in Padbury. The name lived on in my family as a middle name: my cousin Walter Wilmer Rutland was the last person to have this "unusual" name; he died in 1961. I have also met the familiar barrier of too many Johns, Thomases and Williams and not enough of the more esoteric names that occasionally appear in the parish registers. In all honesty I haven't looked into this line to such a great extent. You asked about Padbury in the early 1800s. Genuki has the population of the parish listed from 1801 onwards, in 1801 it was 459, then it grew to a peak of 708 in 1831, before tailing off to 439 in 1901. The link for that information is here: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/Padbury/Index.html Graham Taylor-Paddick Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, UK -----Original Message----- From: bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marr794@aol.com Sent: 02 May 2009 16:51 To: BUCKS@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] Willmore/Wilmer and variants I have made a database using parish records for births and marriages, census data, and whatever I could find on Ancestry.com, etc. for my family, the Willmores (and variants) in Bucks, mostly in the 1800's. I have not looked for wills because the vast majority were poor laborers. Now, I want to add in parish records for deaths,?hoping to end up with?something of a mini one name study for the family so I can identify certain persons, but I am not doing well at matching individuals with their deaths. I assume that?some marriages will be second marriages, but?the family?repeatedly used the same first names for children and I can't seem to sort them out. I have a few specific questions, all about the 1800's: Were all marriages entered in the parish registers??I know that not?all births were and obviously?not all deaths were recorded. How many people lived in?Padbury in the early 1800's?? Were all marriages entered in parish records?in the 1700's? Does anyone have tips to share for identifying second marriages in the early 1800's? If I ever manage to come to some conclusions, I will share the data. Thanks, Ann Marr ? *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The next meeting of the Buckinghamshire Family History Society Northern Group will take place this coming Wednesday, 6th May. This month's talk is by Nigel Lutt who will talk about researching Bedfordshire & Hertfordshire Army ancestry. Northern Group meeting take place at The Methodist Church Hall in Bletchley starting at 19:15 with time to chat before the talk. Directions to the venue are on our website http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/meetings All members and guests (inc possible new members) are welcome. We also hold monthly meetings at Aylesbury and Bourne End. Please follow the link above for further details. -- Dave Foster - Managing Trustee - Buckinghamshire Family History Society Charity Registered in England and Wales No. 290335 Member of the Federation of Family History Societies E-Mail: dave.foster@bucksfhs.org.uk Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk

With regard to training school teachers, I acquired the following information on the Internet (but, I have misplaced the website). "In 1846 the British Government took on most of the costs of training school teachers, although the training colleges remained denominational. A pupil-teacher system was adopted whereby, in schools approved by an inspector, children aged thirteen years could be apprenticed to a teacher for five years and, after passing an examination, could attend a training college for three years. During the day the pupil teacher acted as an assistant teacher, and after school he received special instruction from the schoolmaster, following a set syllabus. Pupil-teachers had to undergo annual examinations by H.M. Inspectors of Schools, and were paid £10 during the first year with an additional £2-10s for each subsequent year. The intention was for pupil-teachers to progress to teacher training college where they would receive specific training aimed at certifying them to a set standard." My 2xs great grandfather, Henry King, was noted as a pupil teacher at Steeple Claydon, Bucks, on the 1851 census, when he was 16 years old. Family notes state that he later went to London to a teacher training college - possibly the Borough Road College, but I don't have access to records to confirm this possibility. I assume that Henry applied for a teaching position at one or more schools as he neared the completion of his teacher training. But, again I have no documentation to back up my assumption. Henry King was married at Steeple Claydon in 1858, and was later noted as a schoolmaster on the 1861 and 1871 census of Kimbolten, Hunts. Sharon Starkey, nee King ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Smith" <geneagill@i-zoom.net> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: [BKM] Off topic - Schoolteachers > Hello all you knowledgeable people ! > > This is a general question that I am hoping someone can help me with. > Does anyone know how a person in the mid to late 1850's would obtain > certification as a National Schoolmaster/Mistress? Also how they obtained > their "postings" to the various schools in which they taught. > > I have a husband and wife who were born and schooled in > Gloucestershire and Wiltshire respectively. Their first joint posting was > to Burton Latimer, Northants. The next to Sowerby, West Riding, Yorkshire > amd lastly to Middleton in Lancashire. > > It would appear that there was some central body directing these > teachers around the country and/or taking applications for transfers, > apart from the original certifications. > > Has anyone come across a website on the subject ? > > Any direction to some kind of information would be much appreciated. > > Gill Smith > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

So this web-site might be of interest Gill:- http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getschool.php?id=584 John Gill Smith wrote: > Thank you John for this information. This gives me hope that I can find > such information as you have on your gg grandfather. Unlike your situation > I have now found the wife in a young ladies training school located in The > Close of Salisbury Cathedral - this in 1851 at the age of 17. I had noted > that all the schools at which they taught seemed to be closely associated > with the church. > > Much appreciated help from John and David > > Gill Smith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Our Mail" <ourmail@chez-williams.com> > To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:32 AM > Subject: Re: [BKM] Off topic - Schoolteachers > > > >> Gill, my wife's gg grandfather attended the Culham Training College -a C >> of E establishment SE of Abingdon founded in 1852. I have found him in >> their records. He was originally a servant in a vicar's house, who >> sponsored him at the college. After probationary periods at a couple of >> local schools he took charge of the National School in Binfeld. We have >> the records of the various inspections of the school with comments >> regarding his efficiency in the various subjects.. His wife was shown >> on census as schoolmistress - but there is no record of her having >> received any training! I suspect that the post came as being wife to >> the schoolmaster!! A daily diary is in the Berkshire RO. One entry >> records that the school was closed that day as he was burying his son! >> It also gives details of attendance - which fell markedly during the >> harvest season! >> >> To answer your original question, I think his posting probably came via >> the college. However you might like to read up on The National >> Society. This was formed in 1811 with the aim of setting up a school in >> every parish - so it's possible they exercised a central co-ordinating >> role. Start with http://www.natsoc.org.uk/society/history/ >> As for your ancestors - I suggest that you start by looking for training >> colleges in Gloucestershire and see if they have any record. Probably >> only the husband attended such a college. >> >> John >> >>> Hi Gill, >>> >>> I don't know the answer but maybe 5 to 7 years ago Wikipedia used to >>> provide explanations. I entered an off-list discussion (with, as it >>> turned out, a retired history teacher!) on the subject using info from >>> Wikipedia and discovered Wikipedia would change almost from hour to >>> hour. >>> >>> The Wikipedia battleground was apparently an online war between >>> current adherents of the various Christian sects who were actually >>> involved at the time compounded by rival Uk v USA camps anxious to >>> over-write each other. >>> Now Wikipedia seems to be silent on the subject! >>> >>> But it still has a reference to an Education Act of 1833 and that may >>> relate to this funding - perhaps through the Established Church - >>> referred to in an individual item: >>> "A Committee of the Privy Council was appointed in 1839 to supervise >>> the distribution of certain Government grants in the education field. >>> The members of the Committee were the Lord President of the Council, >>> the Secretaries of State, the First Lord of the Treasury, and the >>> Chancellor of the Exchequer. From 1857 a Vice President was appointed >>> who took responsibility for policy." >>> >>> There were certainly government-appointed Inspectors of Schools during >>> the period you ask about. Perhaps they supervised the 'church' >>> schools. >>> >>> Here is the first bit of apparently "solid ground" but that is marked >>> as requiring further references to sources : >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_Education_Act_1870 >>> >>> This is the kind of thing that was once on Wikipedia >>> http://www.scholieren.com/werkstukken/28215 >>> >>> Would the National Union of Teachers be able to advise you? >>> >>> Sorry that's not much help >>> David >>> >>> >>> On 2/05/2009, at 3:00 AM, Gill Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello all you knowledgeable people ! >>>> >>>> This is a general question that I am hoping someone can help me >>>> with. Does anyone know how a person in the mid to late 1850's would >>>> obtain certification as a National Schoolmaster/Mistress? Also how >>>> they obtained their "postings" to the various schools in which they >>>> taught. >>>> >>>> I have a husband and wife who were born and schooled in >>>> Gloucestershire and Wiltshire respectively. Their first joint >>>> posting was to Burton Latimer, Northants. The next to Sowerby, West >>>> Riding, Yorkshire amd lastly to Middleton in Lancashire. >>>> >>>> It would appear that there was some central body directing these >>>> teachers around the country and/or taking applications for >>>> transfers, apart from the original certifications. >>>> >>>> Has anyone come across a website on the subject ? >>>> >>>> Any direction to some kind of information would be much appreciated. >>>> >>>> Gill Smith >>>> *************************************** >>>> >>>> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >>>> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >>>> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>> *************************************** >>> >>> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >>> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >>> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.15/2093 - Release Date: 05/02/09 > 14:23:00 > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hi Gill, I don't know the answer but maybe 5 to 7 years ago Wikipedia used to provide explanations. I entered an off-list discussion (with, as it turned out, a retired history teacher!) on the subject using info from Wikipedia and discovered Wikipedia would change almost from hour to hour. The Wikipedia battleground was apparently an online war between current adherents of the various Christian sects who were actually involved at the time compounded by rival Uk v USA camps anxious to over-write each other. Now Wikipedia seems to be silent on the subject! But it still has a reference to an Education Act of 1833 and that may relate to this funding - perhaps through the Established Church - referred to in an individual item: "A Committee of the Privy Council was appointed in 1839 to supervise the distribution of certain Government grants in the education field. The members of the Committee were the Lord President of the Council, the Secretaries of State, the First Lord of the Treasury, and the Chancellor of the Exchequer. From 1857 a Vice President was appointed who took responsibility for policy." There were certainly government-appointed Inspectors of Schools during the period you ask about. Perhaps they supervised the 'church' schools. Here is the first bit of apparently "solid ground" but that is marked as requiring further references to sources : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementary_Education_Act_1870 This is the kind of thing that was once on Wikipedia http://www.scholieren.com/werkstukken/28215 Would the National Union of Teachers be able to advise you? Sorry that's not much help David On 2/05/2009, at 3:00 AM, Gill Smith wrote: > Hello all you knowledgeable people ! > > This is a general question that I am hoping someone can help me > with. Does anyone know how a person in the mid to late 1850's would > obtain certification as a National Schoolmaster/Mistress? Also how > they obtained their "postings" to the various schools in which they > taught. > > I have a husband and wife who were born and schooled in > Gloucestershire and Wiltshire respectively. Their first joint > posting was to Burton Latimer, Northants. The next to Sowerby, West > Riding, Yorkshire amd lastly to Middleton in Lancashire. > > It would appear that there was some central body directing these > teachers around the country and/or taking applications for > transfers, apart from the original certifications. > > Has anyone come across a website on the subject ? > > Any direction to some kind of information would be much appreciated. > > Gill Smith > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message