Hi all,? ? First question: the 1700's parish called Lee - where was it?? ? Now the goodie question. I am confused by the Judge family of Bucks and thought someone here is going to be smart enough to give me an educated guess.? ? In the 1500's I have?Judges in Addington and Padbury that appear to be one family.I think one of them got married in Edgcott, but Edgcott is pretty far from Addington.?? ? Judges b.1500's made marriages in Padbury, Edgcott, Waddesdon, Twyford, Ludgershall, Whaddon, Stowe, Adstock, and Whaddon. That is quite a range, but I don't find accompanying baptisms in most of those?locations to indicate?settled families.? ? These villages radiate from Padbury and Addington, where I find the oldest Judges. And Padbury is one of the most densely Judge populated villages in Bucks early on, while it looks like branches grow in other villages in the 1600's, reaching even farther from Padbury as time goes on. Nearly every famiiy group used the names William and Richard, with Thomas mixed in for spice. I can't find a migration pattern - or any pattern at all.? ? So, here is where I need an educated guess. In the 1550-1600 period, would?the members of one?family consistently go so far afield from Padbury to find a spouse? Keeping in mind markets, tinkers, and assorted travelers, I don't know.? ? Thanks for any guesses,? Ann Marr?

Hi, I am curious about an address in 1841 known as Old Workhouse, Datchet. During that census the Goulds and Barnes were there, but if it was a workhouse in use, I would have thought many more names would have appeared. Maybe I didn't submit the query correctly, and therefore, only my particular request came up. Could that be so.? Also do I have to join the Bucks Family History Soc. to make progress with geting proof of William Gould and Jane Lawrence's marriage in 1811, Datchet. I know the church does not keep the records, but they are in Aylesbury. Regards from a lovely sunny winter's day in Australia. Pat.

Thanks for help with William Goulds. I did some tracking down yesterday and found William and Mary were married Datchet, 1818. I am now pretty sure that my William was dead in 1841, as his youngest Amelia, our relation, was born 1823. Either he was a terrible two-timer, the other had so many children it is not funny, and on a farm labourers wage, but I think he was only married to Jane Gould nee Lawrence. I am going to go for the two deaths of William and Jane. Ideally I would go back to 1811 and their marriage. Do I have to join the History Society for help on this one. Living in Australia getting to Aylesbury? to view it is pretty remote. Our searches are not quite "Who Do You Think You Are" are they! Regards, Pat, Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Cannot find William Gould, Datchet,Bucks. > There is a William GOULD, 60, Farm Lab.b Windsor in the 1851 census at > Datchet, but he is married to a Mary, 51, born Horton BKM. If this is > him he must have remarried. > > They have children Thomas 20 b Datchet, William 13 b Datchet & > granddaughter Caroline, 8, b Upton. > > This William is in the Eton Union Central Workhouse in 1861, aged 69. > > No Jane GOULD is found in Bucks in the 1951 or 1861 censuses. > > A William GOULD died in Eton district in 1838 - > From FreeBMD - Dec qtr 1838, vol 6 p 224 > > A Jane GOULD died in Eton district in 1847 - > Sep 1857 qtr vol 6 p 258 > > Paul > > Patricia Sinfield wrote: >> I would welcome suggestions on tracking William Gould. >> He married Jane Lawrence, 12th Oct. 1811 in Datchet. >> He could have been born 1786, as was Jane. >> Jane was on the 1841 census, living with daughter,Mary and son-in-law >> James Barnes, in Datchet, but no sign of William. >> Jan. 1842 his daughter Amelia married Thomas Clarke,Datchet, and William >> was father, labourer. >> He may not have been present at wedding, but he was alive. >> How can I track his wedding of 1811,and his whereabouts in 1841. >> Any help appreciated. >> Pat, Australia >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

Pat, you can have searches done without joining any society. There's a charge for each search. The Bucks FHS also sells transcriptions of parish registers, but only a minority of parishes are covered so far. Datchet is transcribed (therefore searchable), but not yet published. They'll search as many variants of the name as you can think of, & even suggest more sometimes. http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Since Datchet's right down in the south of the county, near the Berkshire, Middlesex & Surrey borders, you might find them wandering back & forth, especially to Berkshire. It's on the Thames - & Berkshire is on the other bank. http://berksfhs.org.uk/ You can buy the death certificates from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ usuing the references from FreeBMD already given. The informant (named on the certificate) is usually a relative, & the relationship of the informant to the deceased is given. Paul Patricia Sinfield wrote: > Thanks for help with William Goulds. I did some tracking down yesterday and > found William and Mary were married Datchet, 1818. I am now pretty sure that > my William was dead in 1841, as his youngest Amelia, our relation, was born > 1823. Either he was a terrible two-timer, the other had so many children it > is not funny, and on a farm labourers wage, but I think he was only married > to Jane Gould nee Lawrence. I am going to go for the two deaths of William > and Jane. Ideally I would go back to 1811 and their marriage. Do I have to > join the History Society for help on this one. Living in Australia getting > to Aylesbury? to view it is pretty remote. Our searches are not quite "Who > Do You Think You Are" are they! > Regards, Pat, Australia. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> > To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: [BKM] Cannot find William Gould, Datchet,Bucks. > > > >> There is a William GOULD, 60, Farm Lab.b Windsor in the 1851 census at >> Datchet, but he is married to a Mary, 51, born Horton BKM. If this is >> him he must have remarried. >> >> They have children Thomas 20 b Datchet, William 13 b Datchet & >> granddaughter Caroline, 8, b Upton. >> >> This William is in the Eton Union Central Workhouse in 1861, aged 69. >> >> No Jane GOULD is found in Bucks in the 1951 or 1861 censuses. >> >> A William GOULD died in Eton district in 1838 - >> From FreeBMD - Dec qtr 1838, vol 6 p 224 >> >> A Jane GOULD died in Eton district in 1847 - >> Sep 1857 qtr vol 6 p 258 >> >> Paul >> >> Patricia Sinfield wrote: >> >>> I would welcome suggestions on tracking William Gould. >>> He married Jane Lawrence, 12th Oct. 1811 in Datchet. >>> He could have been born 1786, as was Jane. >>> Jane was on the 1841 census, living with daughter,Mary and son-in-law >>> James Barnes, in Datchet, but no sign of William. >>> Jan. 1842 his daughter Amelia married Thomas Clarke,Datchet, and William >>> was father, labourer. >>> He may not have been present at wedding, but he was alive. >>> How can I track his wedding of 1811,and his whereabouts in 1841. >>> Any help appreciated. >>> Pat, Australia >>> *************************************** >>> >>> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >>> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >>> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Pat, By 1841 the workhouse under the Poor Law act would have been in operation at Upton-cum-Chalvey - now part of the modern Slough - Part of the Eton Poor Law Union. The old workhouse in Datchet would have been put to other uses. If you are only looking for one or two members of your family tree in Bucks joining any society may not be worth it. Have you had a good look round the Bucks FHS website? The Society will do searches of their records of transcriptions, for a fee. Please take a look at http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=17&Itemid=75 and http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/index.php?option=com_searchrequest&Itemid=136 It should be noted that I am a member & trustee of the Bucks FHS. Tony Sargeant On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 13:40 +0930, Patricia Sinfield wrote: > Hi, > I am curious about an address in 1841 known as Old Workhouse, Datchet. During that census the Goulds and Barnes were there, but if it was a workhouse in use, I would have thought many more names would have appeared. Maybe I didn't submit the query correctly, and therefore, only my particular request came up. Could that be so.? > Also do I have to join the Bucks Family History Soc. to make progress with geting proof of William Gould and Jane Lawrence's marriage in 1811, Datchet. I know the church does not keep the records, but they are in Aylesbury. > Regards from a lovely sunny winter's day in Australia. > Pat. > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have a look at this Pat:- http://www.datchethistory.org.uk/Link%20Articles/link_workhouse.htm John Patricia Sinfield wrote: > Hi, > I am curious about an address in 1841 known as Old Workhouse, Datchet. During that census the Goulds and Barnes were there, but if it was a workhouse in use, I would have thought many more names would have appeared. Maybe I didn't submit the query correctly, and therefore, only my particular request came up. Could that be so.? > Also do I have to join the Bucks Family History Soc. to make progress with geting proof of William Gould and Jane Lawrence's marriage in 1811, Datchet. I know the church does not keep the records, but they are in Aylesbury. > Regards from a lovely sunny winter's day in Australia. > Pat. > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4092 (20090520) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4092 (20090520) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

I would welcome suggestions on tracking William Gould. He married Jane Lawrence, 12th Oct. 1811 in Datchet. He could have been born 1786, as was Jane. Jane was on the 1841 census, living with daughter,Mary and son-in-law James Barnes, in Datchet, but no sign of William. Jan. 1842 his daughter Amelia married Thomas Clarke,Datchet, and William was father, labourer. He may not have been present at wedding, but he was alive. How can I track his wedding of 1811,and his whereabouts in 1841. Any help appreciated. Pat, Australia

There is a William GOULD, 60, Farm Lab.b Windsor in the 1851 census at Datchet, but he is married to a Mary, 51, born Horton BKM. If this is him he must have remarried. They have children Thomas 20 b Datchet, William 13 b Datchet & granddaughter Caroline, 8, b Upton. This William is in the Eton Union Central Workhouse in 1861, aged 69. No Jane GOULD is found in Bucks in the 1951 or 1861 censuses. A William GOULD died in Eton district in 1838 - From FreeBMD - Dec qtr 1838, vol 6 p 224 A Jane GOULD died in Eton district in 1847 - Sep 1857 qtr vol 6 p 258 Paul Patricia Sinfield wrote: > I would welcome suggestions on tracking William Gould. > He married Jane Lawrence, 12th Oct. 1811 in Datchet. > He could have been born 1786, as was Jane. > Jane was on the 1841 census, living with daughter,Mary and son-in-law James Barnes, in Datchet, but no sign of William. > Jan. 1842 his daughter Amelia married Thomas Clarke,Datchet, and William was father, labourer. > He may not have been present at wedding, but he was alive. > How can I track his wedding of 1811,and his whereabouts in 1841. > Any help appreciated. > Pat, Australia > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

> I would welcome suggestions on tracking William Gould. > He married Jane Lawrence, 12th Oct. 1811 in Datchet. > He could have been born 1786, as was Jane. > Jane was on the 1841 census, living with daughter,Mary and son-in-law > James Barnes, in Datchet, but no sign of William. Jan. 1842 his > daughter Amelia married Thomas Clarke,Datchet, and William was father, > labourer. He may not have been present at wedding, but he was alive. > How can I track his wedding of 1811,and his whereabouts in 1841. His wedding is in Datchet church but will give no further information about his parentage (doesn't happen till 1837). There is a William Gould, farm servant, in Datchet in 1798, so if he was 16 (+) at the time, this could be him. In 1841 the census was taken in June, and he could very well have been 'getting in the Middlesex hay' like many other Bucks ag labs at the time. Because 'nightsoil' from London was spread about the fields in outer Middlesex, the hay came on 3 weeks before the Bucks hay, and many men went up to reap it, coming back with pockets full of money (if not boozed away) in a lean time of year. You could trawl the farms in Middlesex - eg Hammersmith and points west - for him, but it would be a long trawl. However, the mere mention of a father's name on a marriage certificate does not prove he was alive, merely that he was the father.

He was not necessarily alive when his daughter married. In some cases, it would be noted after his name & occupation if the father was dead, e.g. John Smith, Labourer (decd), but by no means always. I have marriage certificates of people whose fathers I know were dead (in one case, his burial was at the same church exactly a week before the marriage), but on which there is simply his name & occupation, with no reference to him being dead. Paul Patricia Sinfield wrote: > I would welcome suggestions on tracking William Gould. > He married Jane Lawrence, 12th Oct. 1811 in Datchet. > He could have been born 1786, as was Jane. > Jane was on the 1841 census, living with daughter,Mary and son-in-law James Barnes, in Datchet, but no sign of William. > Jan. 1842 his daughter Amelia married Thomas Clarke,Datchet, and William was father, labourer. > He may not have been present at wedding, but he was alive. > How can I track his wedding of 1811,and his whereabouts in 1841. > Any help appreciated. > Pat, Australia > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

> I would welcome suggestions on tracking William Gould. > He married Jane Lawrence, 12th Oct. 1811 in Datchet. > He could have been born 1786, as was Jane. > Jane was on the 1841 census, living with daughter,Mary and son-in-law > James Barnes, in Datchet, but no sign of William. Jan. 1842 his > daughter Amelia married Thomas Clarke,Datchet, and William was father, > labourer. He may not have been present at wedding, but he was alive. > How can I track his wedding of 1811,and his whereabouts in 1841. His wedding is in Datchet church but will give no further information about his parentage (doesn't happen till 1837). There is a William Gould, farm servant, in Datchet in 1798, so if he was 16 (+) at the time, this could be him. In 1841 the census was taken in June, and he could very well have been 'getting in the Middlesex hay' like many other Bucks ag labs at the time. Because 'nightsoil' from London was spread about the fields in outer Middlesex, the hay came on 3 weeks before the Bucks hay, and many men went up to reap it, coming back with pockets full of money (if not boozed away) in a lean time of year. You could trawl the farms in Middlesex - eg Hammersmith and points west - for him, but it would be a long trawl. However, the mere mention of a father's name on a marriage certificate does not prove he was alive, merely that he was the father.

Hi Pat, How do you know that William was still alive in 1841/42? It wasn't compulsary for vicars to state that the father was "deceased" on a marriage certificate, although they often did. In addition perhaps he was missing; i.e. had run off after an argument or had been mugged, murdered and left in a ditch somewhere so no-one knew for sure where he was? Having said this, there were plenty of deaths registered for Wm Goulds after 1837 and I guess there were a few more before then too. Have you found these entries in the church registers? They may say more, i.e. Wm Gould h. of Jane aged X? Dec 1838 Gould William Eton 6 224 Mar 1852 Gould William Eton 3a 221 Mar 1857 Gould William Eton 3a 234 Sep 1874 Gould William 83 Eton 3a 276 If he did survive perhaps he remarried. If so, you need to check the subsequent marriages of Wm Goulds too... HTH > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: "Patricia Sinfield" <sinfield@picknowl.com.au> > Subject: [BKM] Cannot find William Gould, Datchet,Bucks. > > I would welcome suggestions on tracking William Gould. > He married Jane Lawrence, 12th Oct. 1811 in Datchet. > He could have been born 1786, as was Jane. > Jane was on the 1841 census, living with daughter,Mary and son-in-law James > Barnes, in Datchet, but no sign of William. > Jan. 1842 his daughter Amelia married Thomas Clarke,Datchet, and William was > father, labourer. > He may not have been present at wedding, but he was alive. > How can I track his wedding of 1811,and his whereabouts in 1841. > Any help appreciated. > Pat, Australia

The next meeting of the Buckinghamshire Family History Society Central Group will take place this coming Saturday, 16th May. This month's talk is by Richard Ratcliffe who will talk about the Wesleyan Methodist Historic Roll. Central Group meeting take place at Prebendal Community Centre in Aylesbury starting at 13:30 with time to browse and chat before the talk which starts at 14:30. Directions to the Community Centre are on our website http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/meetings All members and guests (inc possible new members) are welcome. We also hold monthly meetings at Bletchley and Bourne End. Please follow the link above for further details. -- Dave Foster - Managing Trustee - Buckinghamshire Family History Society Charity Registered in England and Wales No. 290335 Member of the Federation of Family History Societies E-Mail: dave.foster@bucksfhs.org.uk Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk

The next meeting of the Buckinghamshire Family History Society Southern Group will take place this coming Tuesday, 12th May. This month's talk is by Peter Christian who will talk about finding good genealogy websites. Southern Group meeting take place at Bourne End Community Centre in Wakeman Road, Bourne End starting at 19:15 with time to browse and chat before the talk. Directions to the Community Centre are on our website http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/meetings All members and guests (inc. possible new members) are welcome. We also hold monthly meetings at Aylesbury and Bletchley. Please follow the link above for further details. -- Dave Foster - Managing Trustee - Buckinghamshire Family History Society Charity Registered in England and Wales No. 290335 Member of the Federation of Family History Societies E-Mail: dave.foster@bucksfhs.org.uk Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk

"Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> wrote > I gather its about 400 soldiers rather than 2000 If anyone wants to read the story of the excellent research done by a schoolteacher and which led to the current excavation after initially being faced with considerable scepticism, then check out: http://www.militaryimages.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-8579.html The story of Englezos research would make a great book.

On the news this morning they announced that the identification of remains from unmarked war graves in Fromelles, behind German lines, has begun. The CWGC are to oversee the recovery of the remains and to create a new military cemetery at Fromelles for their reburial. On this website www.fromelles.org there is a list of names of British men who are believed to be buried there, many of whom are from Bucks. Hope this helps someone,

Hi Tony I gather its about 400 soldiers rather than 2000 Many of which were Ox & Bucks Light Infantry Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Approx 2000 unidentified bodies of Commonwealth soldiers have been > discovered in a mass grave at Fromelles. The CWGC are proposing to build a > new cemetery and forensic scientists are in the long process of trying to > identify the bodies. It is known that amongst others, the Oxfordshire and > Bucks regiments were involved in the battle and casualties were simply > listed as missing. > > Possible descendants can log on and register an interest at > www.fromelles.org <http://www.fromelles.org/> > > > > Tony

Ann, You are not as far from home as you might think: "The population of able-bodied men above the age of fifteen in a county whom the sheriff may summon to repress a riot, pursue felons, etc.; a body of men so raised and commanded by the sheriff. Now hist. In the United Kingdom, the sheriff's power to summon the posse comitatus, though long disused, remained in law until the passage of the Criminal Law Act of 1967. In the United States, though historically most significant in the frontier country of the West, the posse comitatus remains as an institution in many states." David On 5/05/2009, at 8:21 AM, marr794@aol.com wrote: > Paul -- > > I have done the parish record transcriptions and have been through > the Milton Keynes data -- will check about the wills. Thanks for the > tip. > > WILMORs recorded in the 1798 Posse Comitatus -- I have seen that, > but being an ignorant American heathen, I am not sure how to use it. > Can you give an explanation of what it is? > > Thanks, > > Ann Marr

Thanks to everyone who contacted me off list about the Posse... I now understand what it is and plan to get the CD?-- and if the economy allows, will order a couple of wills. I wish someone living in England would adopt me so I could live there for the foreseeable future -- I have a lot of research to do. :) Ann Marr

The Posse Comitatus doesn't give any relationships. It lists men aged between 15 & 60 & eligible for call-up into the Militia - or in some cases, ineligible men & why ineligible (e.g. disability), with town or village & trade. It makes up to a limited extent for the deliberate failure to record names or trades in the 1801 census. It also lists the owners of beasts of burden & vehicles, & what they owned, as they would be of use to the army in case of an invasion. Older men & women are included under this heading. Some men appear in both lists. Can give you information about the wealth of your ancestors. Bucks is, I think, the only county for which it survives intact, though partial lists survive for some other counties. Paul marr794@aol.com wrote: > Paul -- > > I have done the parish record transcriptions and have been through the Milton Keynes data -- will check about the wills. Thanks for the tip. > > WILMORs recorded in the 1798 Posse Comitatus -- I have seen that, but being an ignorant American heathen, I am not sure how to use it. Can you give an explanation of what it is? > > Thanks, > > Ann Marr >