That would almost certainly have been the Great Western Railway see the following website:- http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/features/gwr_archive.shtml John John and Myrna Bailey wrote: > Is there anyone who knows how to find a name of a person who worked on the Reading Railroad ,around 1900-1913 > Sydney William Smith , Then he came to Canada around 1913-1914 > Cheers Myrna > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4098 (20090522) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Paul - I appreciate the references to the farm?- then you sent the link to that fantastic map system. I saved the link to it. I have not seen any other map that puts the locations in Bucks in a better prospective. I have not been fortunate enough to visit England, so distances and village locations is a stumbling block for me. Thank you! Ann Marr J J & R C A May Dairy farmers Tel: *01296 712576*| Red Hall Farm, Winslow, Buckingham, Buckinghamshire MK18 3JN In 2006 the owners applied for planning permission to demolish a barn & replace it with a garage & store. The application was approved. It's visible on the 1:50000 OS maps, called Redhall Farm. Just east of the village.

Thankyou Carol - I appreciate your reply regarding Highbury and it's location in London. I wish to point out that although my gg-gf Henry King attended teacher training college in London, and taught for a while at Kimbolten, he lived most of his life in Buckinghamshire, as his paternal ancestors had done. Henry King was born at Westcott, Waddesdon in 1835, second son of Thomas King (b.Nash) and Anne Treadwell (b.Westbury). Henry went to school at Steeple Claydon and married there after he received his teaching certificate. He initially obtained a teaching position at Kimbolten, Hunts - but, he developed a respiratory illness and was told to move to higher ground. In 1879 Henry and his family moved to Brill, Bucks where he worked as an assistant to his cousin John Aubrey Mumford, who was the land agent for the Aubrey-Fletcher Estates and lived at Brill Manor House. On the 1881 census Henry King was noted as a clerk and land surveyor - working for the Aubrey-Fletcher Estates. Henry and his family (including my late grandfather Frank Thomas King) lived at the Brill Manor Farm at that time. Later they lived variously at Rose Cottage and Brill Corner Close. By 1901 Henry and his family were living in Chilton, where Henry was an estate bailiff. Soon after that they returned to Brill, and lived at Southdene on Church Street until 1913 when his wife, Emma Grace, passed away. Then, Henry and his three unmarried daughters moved to a house on High Street in Brill. He died there in 1920. kind regards, Sharon Starkey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Lee" <carol@crystalclear.it> To: "sharon starkey" <rlsastarkey@shaw.ca>; <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:47 AM Subject: RE: [BKM] Schoolteachers - National Society Monthly Paper Dear Sharon, Yes, Highbury is an area of London - actually now within the Borough of Islington and fairly central London. Holloway Road leading from Highbury Corner up to Highgate is one of the main arteries leading out of London and is famous for Dick Whittington who, on his way up the steep hill to Highgate, apparently heard the words: "Turn again, Whittington, Lord Mayor of London." So he did turn back and did become Lord Mayor - I think. Haven't checked this on the internet though! Highbury is also famous for the Arsenal Football Club. I don't live far away just over the border in Hackney - not thought to be quite as posh as Islington where Tony Blair lived at one time!! Not really relevant to 1857 though. Sorry. Best regards, Carol Lee

Is there anyone who knows how to find a name of a person who worked on the Reading Railroad ,around 1900-1913 Sydney William Smith , Then he came to Canada around 1913-1914 Cheers Myrna

It's still there. J J & R C A May Dairy farmers Tel: *01296 712576*| Red Hall Farm, Winslow, Buckingham, Buckinghamshire MK18 3JN In 2006 the owners applied for planning permission to demolish a barn & replace it with a garage & store. The application was approved. It's visible on the 1:50000 OS maps, called Redhall Farm. Just east of the village. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=476500&y=227500&z=120&sv=Winslow&st=3&tl=Map+of+Winslow,+Buckinghamshire+[City/Town/Village]&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf It's always worth trying Google. marr794@aol.com wrote: > Thomas Judge was born 1798 on Red Hall Farm. His daughter was born in Winslow. > Does anyone have info on Red Hall Farm? > > Thanks, > Ann Marr >

Thomas Judge was born 1798 on Red Hall Farm. His daughter was born in Winslow. Does anyone have info on Red Hall Farm? Thanks, Ann Marr -----Original Message----- From: bucks-request@rootsweb.com To: bucks@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 23 May 2009 3:02 am Subject: BUCKS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 104 The default format for the Digest is Plain text. If you prefer to receive your Digest in MIME format, please contact the list administrator. ************************************** Today's Topics: 1. Re: Judges (marr794@aol.com) 2. Re: Schoolteachers - National Society Monthly Paper (sharon starkey) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:47:54 -0400 From: marr794@aol.com Subject: Re: [BKM] Judges To: bucks@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CBA8FB0A941E49-DC-381A@webmail-me13.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to everyone for the info on the Judge family. I was not aware Edgcott was so close -- the scale on Internet maps defeated me. And the market town concept makes lots of sense. So with lack of hard data to work with, I am going creative on creating family groups from the Judges -- see if it comes together sensibly. Love the admiral figurehead - it reminded me of our local laugh (Detroit Michigan). Someone's elm died and they cut the trunk off at about ten feet and had an artist carve a Superman figure. The city made them take the stump out after a gawker caused a?car?accident. And sorry about the subject on my post - it got away from me. Ann Marr ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:17:24 -0700 From: "sharon starkey" <rlsastarkey@shaw.ca> Subject: Re: [BKM] Schoolteachers - National Society Monthly Paper To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <35946425E7564E21BF033EA24443EA19@starkey> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thankyou very much, Nivard, for posting this link to the National Society's monthly paper in your recent email to the Bucks List. I found Henry King, listed within the "Male Training Schools - Students" list at Highbury as having been examined at Christmas 1857, in his second year. Was this a mid-term exam? I would like to think that this Henry King was my gg-grandfather. Family notes state that Henry took his teacher training in London, and Highbury appears to be a district in London. He had previously been a "pupil teacher" at Steeple Claydon in 1851, as noted in the census of that year. On December 24th, 1858 my gg-gf Henry King married Emma Grace at Steeple Claydon. On the marriage licence Henry was noted as a Schoolmaster at Kimbolten, Hunts. kind regards, Sharon Starkey, nee King British Columbia, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Off topic - Schoolteachers > Hi Gill > > Having some National School Teachers in my line I have been down this road > a > few times, all my wives of National School Teachers were themselves > accredited teachers in their own right though > > I found mention of one of mine (Charlotte YOELL my great grandfathers > sister) in the following book on googlebooks > > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0CsLAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=National+Society%27s+Monthly+Paper&ei=XZL9Se6LFY2oyASikujuBQ#PPP1,M1 > > It or similar may be useful in your research, there is alot of information > in it which helps > > There are also some interesting ones on Archive.org such as :- > > The National School Magazine (1825) > > It also gives a flavour of the things being taught at that time to > children > (perhaps they should revert to some of these <g>) > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > >> Thank you John for this information. This gives me hope that I can find >> such information as you have on your gg grandfather. Unlike your >> situation >> I have now found the wife in a young ladies training school located in >> The >> Close of Salisbury Cathedral - this in 1851 at the age of 17. I had >> noted >> that all the schools at which they taught seemed to be closely associated >> with the church. >> >> Much appreciated help from John and David >> >> Gill Smith > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the BUCKS list administrator, send an email to BUCKS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Dear Sharon, Yes, Highbury is an area of London - actually now within the Borough of Islington and fairly central London. Holloway Road leading from Highbury Corner up to Highgate is one of the main arteries leading out of London and is famous for Dick Whittington who, on his way up the steep hill to Highgate, apparently heard the words: "Turn again, Whittington, Lord Mayor of London." So he did turn back and did become Lord Mayor - I think. Haven't checked this on the internet though! Highbury is also famous for the Arsenal Football Club. I don't live far away just over the border in Hackney - not thought to be quite as posh as Islington where Tony Blair lived at one time!! Not really relevant to 1857 though. Sorry. Best regards, Carol Lee -----Original Message----- From: bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sharon starkey Sent: 22 May 2009 22:17 To: bucks@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKM] Schoolteachers - National Society Monthly Paper Thankyou very much, Nivard, for posting this link to the National Society's monthly paper in your recent email to the Bucks List. I found Henry King, listed within the "Male Training Schools - Students" list at Highbury as having been examined at Christmas 1857, in his second year. Was this a mid-term exam? I would like to think that this Henry King was my gg-grandfather. Family notes state that Henry took his teacher training in London, and Highbury appears to be a district in London. He had previously been a "pupil teacher" at Steeple Claydon in 1851, as noted in the census of that year. On December 24th, 1858 my gg-gf Henry King married Emma Grace at Steeple Claydon. On the marriage licence Henry was noted as a Schoolmaster at Kimbolten, Hunts. kind regards, Sharon Starkey, nee King British Columbia, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Off topic - Schoolteachers > Hi Gill > > Having some National School Teachers in my line I have been down this road > a > few times, all my wives of National School Teachers were themselves > accredited teachers in their own right though > > I found mention of one of mine (Charlotte YOELL my great grandfathers > sister) in the following book on googlebooks > > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0CsLAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=National+Society%27s+Monthly+Paper&ei=XZL9Se6LFY2oyASikujuBQ#PPP1,M1 > > It or similar may be useful in your research, there is alot of information > in it which helps > > There are also some interesting ones on Archive.org such as :- > > The National School Magazine (1825) > > It also gives a flavour of the things being taught at that time to > children > (perhaps they should revert to some of these <g>) > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > >> Thank you John for this information. This gives me hope that I can find >> such information as you have on your gg grandfather. Unlike your >> situation >> I have now found the wife in a young ladies training school located in >> The >> Close of Salisbury Cathedral - this in 1851 at the age of 17. I had >> noted >> that all the schools at which they taught seemed to be closely associated >> with the church. >> >> Much appreciated help from John and David >> >> Gill Smith > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Amersham has been in several recent posts. Here's my Amersham > question: > > Dr Charles Croke, D.D., rector of St Mary’s, Amersham ran a school > for sons of aristocrats and wealthy gentry in Amersham, Bucks during > the Civil War. See his DNB entry at This is not exactly what it says. Most clergymen with any sort of scholarly ability took in a few pupils, in their vicarage or rectory, sometimes boparding, sometimes day attenders. Inevitably the only people who could afford the fees were the local gentry, or the occasional farmer who had a bright boy whom he could spare from the plough. This was a recognised way of augmenting what could be a very small stipend - and I note that the local Squire's lad, William Drake, was one of the pupils. Mostly, only two or three, up to around six, would be taught at any one time, round the vicarage table. It was not a school in the normal sense of a purpose built building with more than one teacher. There was an actual Grammar school in Amersham, founded by Dr ChALONER, another clergyman, half a century or so later, which still exists in amended form. This did have a very good reputation and drew in pupils from surrounding villages. > If you are researtching the Crokes (pronounced Crook and in later generations with an unenviable reputation), you will come across the fascinating attenpt to frame a local curate with robbery, because he asked for his salary to be paid. The King's Bench judge foiled this, refusing to be bribed. >

Looking a bit further afield gives you a clue as to whether there were multiple JUDGE families or just one which spread out from one particular spot:- http://surname.sofeminine.co.uk/w/surnames/surname-judge.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > From: marr794@aol.com > Subject: Re: [BKM] Judges > > Thanks to everyone for the info on the Judge family. I was not aware Edgcott was > so close -- the scale on Internet maps defeated me. And the market town concept > makes lots of sense. So with lack of hard data to work with, I am going creative > on creating family groups from the Judges -- see if it comes together sensibly. > > Love the admiral figurehead - it reminded me of our local laugh (Detroit > Michigan). Someone's elm died and they cut the trunk off at about ten feet and > had an artist carve a Superman figure. The city made them take the stump out > after a gawker caused a?car?accident. > > And sorry about the subject on my post - it got away from me. > > Ann Marr

Amersham has been in several recent posts. Here's my Amersham question: Dr Charles Croke, D.D., rector of St Mary’s, Amersham ran a school for sons of aristocrats and wealthy gentry in Amersham, Bucks during the Civil War. See his DNB entry at http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Dictionary_of_National_Biography_volume_13.djvu/125 Edward Hunter alias Perry died age nine in 1646. His admin bond lists him as ‘of Agmondsham’ . He was son of Lady Jane Fitzwilliams, wife of Ld William Fitzwilliams of Milton, Northants, by her first marriage. I think Edward was at this school when he died. Do any records of this school survive?

Thankyou very much, Nivard, for posting this link to the National Society's monthly paper in your recent email to the Bucks List. I found Henry King, listed within the "Male Training Schools - Students" list at Highbury as having been examined at Christmas 1857, in his second year. Was this a mid-term exam? I would like to think that this Henry King was my gg-grandfather. Family notes state that Henry took his teacher training in London, and Highbury appears to be a district in London. He had previously been a "pupil teacher" at Steeple Claydon in 1851, as noted in the census of that year. On December 24th, 1858 my gg-gf Henry King married Emma Grace at Steeple Claydon. On the marriage licence Henry was noted as a Schoolmaster at Kimbolten, Hunts. kind regards, Sharon Starkey, nee King British Columbia, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Off topic - Schoolteachers > Hi Gill > > Having some National School Teachers in my line I have been down this road > a > few times, all my wives of National School Teachers were themselves > accredited teachers in their own right though > > I found mention of one of mine (Charlotte YOELL my great grandfathers > sister) in the following book on googlebooks > > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0CsLAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=National+Society%27s+Monthly+Paper&ei=XZL9Se6LFY2oyASikujuBQ#PPP1,M1 > > It or similar may be useful in your research, there is alot of information > in it which helps > > There are also some interesting ones on Archive.org such as :- > > The National School Magazine (1825) > > It also gives a flavour of the things being taught at that time to > children > (perhaps they should revert to some of these <g>) > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > >> Thank you John for this information. This gives me hope that I can find >> such information as you have on your gg grandfather. Unlike your >> situation >> I have now found the wife in a young ladies training school located in >> The >> Close of Salisbury Cathedral - this in 1851 at the age of 17. I had >> noted >> that all the schools at which they taught seemed to be closely associated >> with the church. >> >> Much appreciated help from John and David >> >> Gill Smith > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Graham wrote:- > Lee is in the Chilterns, adjacent to Wendover.... I used to cycle in that area quite a lot half a century ago. In one place, as you rounded a corner coming into The Lee, you were confronted by a ship's figurehead (a bewigged admiral, as I recall) looking at you over a hedge. In the half light of evening, it always came as quite a shock - even to a brave young lad such as I. I wonder if it's still there? Mike Chaney (native of Amersham, in exile in Essex.) -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 193 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

> > > First question: the 1700's parish called Lee - where was it?? Always called The Lee (to compensate for the short name, maybe>) It is next to Great Missenden, which is likely to be on most maps of any scale. The Lee is a pretty village approached by a really horrible narrow road, where if you meet a large car coming the other way, you have to back or mount the grass verge. It is a long way (old style) from Padbury etc. > > ? > > Now the goodie question. I am confused by the Judge family of Bucks > > and > thought > > someone here is going to be smart enough to give me an educated > > guess.? ? In the 1500's I have?Judges in Addington and Padbury that > > appear to be one family. Sounds entirely reasonable, and I think can be checked by an unusual forename ( is it Isaac, or is he further up the road?) I think one of them got married in Edgcott, > > but Edgcott is pretty far from Addington.?? ? Judges b.1500's made > > marriages in Padbury, Edgcott, Waddesdon, Twyford, Ludgershall, > > Whaddon, Stowe, Adstock, and Whaddon. They are within range (mostly) of Buckingham market town, where ag labs were hired annually. Waddesdon is a bit further off from this, and maybe Ludgershall, but a two stage migration for work is always possible. . > > So, here is where I need an educated guess. In the 1550-1600 period, > > would?the members of one?family consistently go so far afield from > > Padbury to find a spouse? Keeping in mind markets Because the opportunities for social mixing during thw roking day were limited, a pattern of meeting, chatting up and courting based on a first meeting at market is quite usual. ( The men would go in, buy whatever they had been sent for, then look round for entertainment. This might blossom into more. 'A pound of nails, a ewe lamb and a wife' was the order.

Bucks Family Historians You may have heard about the Guild of One-Name Studies? We are a Registered Charity that embraces those researchers who specialise in one surname. On the 8th August 2009 the Guild will be holding a New Members Seminar: The Art of One-Name Studies at Amersham Free Church Hall, Woodside Road, Amersham, Bucks, HP6 6AJ. Come and find out what the Guild is all about. A number of short talks by several speakers will cover the workings of the Guild and the seven key aspects of a one-name study. Although primarily directed at potential new members and members who have joined in the last few years, there will be much to help all put their study into context. There will also be a number of posters introducing a wide range of aspects of one-name studies. If Secretaries or Editors of any local Family History Societies would like to receive further information, please contact me off list or visit the Guild website at: http://www.one-name.org/timetable.html We look forward to meeting you. Rod Clayburn Secretary to the Guild Seminar Sub-Committee RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org

> Have a look at this Pat:- > > http://www.datchethistory.org.uk/Link%20Articles/link_workhouse.htm > > John > > Patricia Sinfield wrote: > > Hi, > > I am curious about an address in 1841 known as Old Workhouse, > > Datchet. During that census the Goulds and Barnes were there, but > > if it was a workhouse in use, It was possible to set up a workhouse from 1722 (or even earlier) but this was mostly done only in yowns or areas where many people were travelling through - which applied to the parish of Datchet. However, this was not the official Workhouse of the Union of parishes, which could be set up from 1834 (usually a few years later). Earlier, the poor were 'farmed' meaning a person bid for them, for a set sum, putting them into a cottage or cottages and setting them to work on simple tasks like sewing (for women) farm work, picking oakum etc for men. He let out their services to local employers and made whatever profit he could.. In return he gave them shelter and as little food as he could get away with. Most villages had a 'poor house; to which aged folk unable to care for themselves could be moved - sort of sheltered housing before its time. The official workhouse had to supply better accommodation, a controlled amount of food and any work done was for the running of the building. It was inspected regularly and abuses pounced on by the local paper. This meant that in most areas involved, the old workhouse building was converted again to a cottage or cottages/ In my village, there were two cottages adjoing used as poor houses. These were converted to one house and when it changed hands about ten years ago, it was for a very large sum of money indeed. would have thought many more names > > would have appeared. They would be two ordinary families using the converted accommodation, Maybe I didn't submit the query correctly, and > > therefore, only my particular request came up. Could that be so.? > > Also do I have to join the Bucks Family History Soc. No - but why not join the Bucks Genealogical Society? All old registers are now in the County Archives, not in the parish. A transcript of the entry can be supplied or a photocopy made next trip into Aylesbury.

> Have a look at this Pat:- > > http://www.datchethistory.org.uk/Link%20Articles/link_workhouse.htm > > John > > Patricia Sinfield wrote: > > Hi, > > I am curious about an address in 1841 known as Old Workhouse, > > Datchet. During that census the Goulds and Barnes were there, but > > if it was a workhouse in use, It was possible to set up a workhouse from 1722 (or even earlier) but this was mostly done only in yowns or areas where many people were travelling through - which applied to the parish of Datchet. However, this was not the official Workhouse of the Union of parishes, which could be set up from 1834 (usually a few years later). Earlier, the poor were 'farmed' meaning a person bid for them, for a set sum, putting them into a cottage or cottages and setting them to work on simple tasks like sewing (for women) farm work, picking oakum etc for men. He let out their services to local employers and made whatever profit he could.. In return he gave them shelter and as little food as he could get away with. Most villages had a 'poor house; to which aged folk unable to care for themselves could be moved - sort of sheltered housing before its time. The official workhouse had to supply better accommodation, a controlled amount of food and any work done was for the running of the building. It was inspected regularly and abuses pounced on by the local paper. This meant that in most areas involved, the old workhouse building was converted again to a cottage or cottages/ In my village, there were two cottages adjoing used as poor houses. These were converted to one house and when it changed hands about ten years ago, it was for a very large sum of money indeed. would have thought many more names > > would have appeared. They would be two ordinary families using the converted accommodation, Maybe I didn't submit the query correctly, and > > therefore, only my particular request came up. Could that be so.? > > Also do I have to join the Bucks Family History Soc. No - but why not join the Bucks Genealogical Society? All old registers are now in the County Archives, not in the parish. A transcript of the entry can be supplied or a photocopy made next trip into Aylesbury.

Thanks to everyone for the info on the Judge family. I was not aware Edgcott was so close -- the scale on Internet maps defeated me. And the market town concept makes lots of sense. So with lack of hard data to work with, I am going creative on creating family groups from the Judges -- see if it comes together sensibly. Love the admiral figurehead - it reminded me of our local laugh (Detroit Michigan). Someone's elm died and they cut the trunk off at about ten feet and had an artist carve a Superman figure. The city made them take the stump out after a gawker caused a?car?accident. And sorry about the subject on my post - it got away from me. Ann Marr

Hi Ann, Edgcott is less than ten miles from Addington so is not far at all! See http://www.multimap.com > ------------------------------ > From: marr794@aol.com > Subject: Re: [BKM] BUCKS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 > > Hi all,? > ? > First question: the 1700's parish called Lee - where was it?? > ? > Now the goodie question. I am confused by the Judge family of Bucks and thought > someone here is going to be smart enough to give me an educated guess.? > ? > In the 1500's I have?Judges in Addington and Padbury that appear to be one > family.I think one of them got married in Edgcott, but Edgcott is pretty far > from Addington.?? > ? > Judges b.1500's made marriages in Padbury, Edgcott, Waddesdon, Twyford, > Ludgershall, Whaddon, Stowe, Adstock, and Whaddon. That is quite a range, but I > don't find accompanying baptisms in most of those?locations to indicate?settled > families.? > ? > These villages radiate from Padbury and Addington, where I find the oldest > Judges. And Padbury is one of the most densely Judge populated villages in Bucks > early on, while it looks like branches grow in other villages in the 1600's, > reaching even farther from Padbury as time goes on. Nearly every famiiy group > used the names William and Richard, with Thomas mixed in for spice. I can't find > a migration pattern - or any pattern at all.? > ? > So, here is where I need an educated guess. In the 1550-1600 period, would?the > members of one?family consistently go so far afield from Padbury to find a > spouse? Keeping in mind markets, tinkers, and assorted travelers, I don't know.? > ? > Thanks for any guesses,? > Ann Marr?

Mike, Yes it is. Graham Sent from my iPhone On 22 May 2009, at 13:10, "Mike Chaney" <michaelchaney@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Graham wrote:- Lee is in the Chilterns, adjacent to Wendover.... I used to cycle in that area quite a lot half a century ago. In one place, as you rounded a corner coming into The Lee, you were confronted by a ship's figurehead (a bewigged admiral, as I recall) looking at you over a hedge. In the half light of evening, it always came as quite a shock - even to a brave young lad such as I. I wonder if it's still there? Mike Chaney (native of Amersham, in exile in Essex.) -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 193 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ann,   Lee is in the Chilterns, adjacent to Wendover.  If you go out of Wendover on the road towards Amersham there is a turning for Lee (also called The Lee) on the left hand side after you have left Wendover.  I am descended from the Judge family of Lee myself; they hail originally from Great Hampden (even further away from Padbury!). The other parishes you mention all have either the towns of Buckingham or Winslow in common.  Both had markets, and would have been the hubs of all the villages surrounding them.  So if you had travelled from Addington into Winslow to go to the market, you would have met people there from all of the surrounding parishes you mention regularly.  Markets were more than just places to trade goods and livestock, they were a social network. Graham ----- Original Message ---- From: "marr794@aol.com" <marr794@aol.com> To: bucks@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:28:51 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] BUCKS Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 Hi all,? ? First question: the 1700's parish called Lee - where was it?? ? Now the goodie question. I am confused by the Judge family of Bucks and thought someone here is going to be smart enough to give me an educated guess.? ? In the 1500's I have?Judges in Addington and Padbury that appear to be one family.I think one of them got married in Edgcott, but Edgcott is pretty far from Addington.?? ? Judges b.1500's made marriages in Padbury, Edgcott, Waddesdon, Twyford, Ludgershall, Whaddon, Stowe, Adstock, and Whaddon. That is quite a range, but I don't find accompanying baptisms in most of those?locations to indicate?settled families.? ? These villages radiate from Padbury and Addington, where I find the oldest Judges. And Padbury is one of the most densely Judge populated villages in Bucks early on, while it looks like branches grow in other villages in the 1600's, reaching even farther from Padbury as time goes on. Nearly every famiiy group used the names William and Richard, with Thomas mixed in for spice. I can't find a migration pattern - or any pattern at all.? ? So, here is where I need an educated guess. In the 1550-1600 period, would?the members of one?family consistently go so far afield from Padbury to find a spouse? Keeping in mind markets, tinkers, and assorted travelers, I don't know.? ? Thanks for any guesses,? Ann Marr? *************************************** BGS Website:          http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website:        http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message