John Stops born about 1837 in Buckinghamshire Haddenham .Is their a site on Haddenham? Roger

Thank you, Eve. What you say makes sense. Although this family weren't wealthy so far as I know, perhaps they found a "carer" who took her in for a modest payment and it was in a completely different area. Will just have to keep looking. Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: <eve@varneys.org.uk> To: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com>; <bucks@rootsweb.com>; <bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] asylum or similar in Wycome District c. 1891 toearly 1900's > However, anyone with a wealthy family background could have found > a 'nursing home' out of area for disposal of a family member with > mental problems who was not violent and in need of restraint. This > could have been quuite a small set-up, not necessarily registered as > an asylum (with county council by then) and not necessarily in Bucks, > if the family wished to avoid confrontation with local neighbours who > might gossip. > If so, her death would be registered wherever she died, and this may > not be anywhere near Bucks. > >

Hi Paul. Thanks for that. Very interesting website. The conditions of asylums and poor houses c. 1840's makes daunting reading. Have flagged it for further browsing when necessary in the future. But without a scrap of information that Mary did finish up in one, there is not much I can research at present. The concept that my gt grandmother might have been "put in a home" really seems as unlikely as a divorce. And in 1897 when Alfred died, his son bought a private burial plot for 4 people in Wycombe cemetery. He was a single man. I wonder why? I shall just have to keep looking. But if I every solve this mystery I'll post to list. Thanks everyone for continued interest. Joan - sweltering in Surrey. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] asylum or similar in Wycome District c. 1891 to early1900's > St. Johns was at Stone, just outside Aylesbury. Closed in 1991, when > "care in the community" had become the fashion, & its once extensive > grounds are now covered by houses. > > Information about various County Asylums, etc. > http://www.studymore.org.uk/4_13_ta.htm > > Joan wrote: >> Hello. Following a discussion on unregistered or difficult to find deaths >> on another list, someone suggested that a mentally ill person might be >> put into an asylum or similar institution. I doubt this would have >> happened to Mary HUDSON as her husband had a business in Wycombe and she >> had several family members still alive. But it is a possibility. I have >> delved into several "asylum" and hospital sites for Bucks. The name St >> John's crops up. Would anyone know where I could check for the existence >> of mental asylum or similar institution records in the Wycombe District >> area, please, in the post-1891 era? I assume that some asylums would have >> their own burial grounds? >>

> St. Johns was at Stone, just outside Aylesbury. Closed in 1991, when > "care in the community" had become the fashion, & its once extensive > grounds are now covered by houses. St John's was the only County Asylum, and people from the Wycombe area were sent there. The records are in the County Archives, closed for 100 years as usual However, anyone with a wealthy family background could have found a 'nursing home' out of area for disposal of a family member with mental problems who was not violent and in need of restraint. This could have been quuite a small set-up, not necessarily registered as an asylum (with county council by then) and not necessarily in Bucks, if the family wished to avoid confrontation with local neighbours who might gossip. If so, her death would be registered wherever she died, and this may not be anywhere near Bucks.

St. Johns was at Stone, just outside Aylesbury. Closed in 1991, when "care in the community" had become the fashion, & its once extensive grounds are now covered by houses. Information about various County Asylums, etc. http://www.studymore.org.uk/4_13_ta.htm Joan wrote: > Hello. Following a discussion on unregistered or difficult to find deaths on another list, someone suggested that a mentally ill person might be put into an asylum or similar institution. I doubt this would have happened to Mary HUDSON as her husband had a business in Wycombe and she had several family members still alive. But it is a possibility. I have delved into several "asylum" and hospital sites for Bucks. The name St John's crops up. Would anyone know where I could check for the existence of mental asylum or similar institution records in the Wycombe District area, please, in the post-1891 era? I assume that some asylums would have their own burial grounds? > > Within the discussion a lister opined that at that time, a death or cremation could not have been conducted without a death certificate, but the problem was that often the original christian, even surname, had been forgotten or changed. Doesn't bode well for those of us chasing the illusive "end of life" details, does it?Thank you. Joan. > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello. Following a discussion on unregistered or difficult to find deaths on another list, someone suggested that a mentally ill person might be put into an asylum or similar institution. I doubt this would have happened to Mary HUDSON as her husband had a business in Wycombe and she had several family members still alive. But it is a possibility. I have delved into several "asylum" and hospital sites for Bucks. The name St John's crops up. Would anyone know where I could check for the existence of mental asylum or similar institution records in the Wycombe District area, please, in the post-1891 era? I assume that some asylums would have their own burial grounds? Within the discussion a lister opined that at that time, a death or cremation could not have been conducted without a death certificate, but the problem was that often the original christian, even surname, had been forgotten or changed. Doesn't bode well for those of us chasing the illusive "end of life" details, does it?Thank you. Joan.

Hello to all on List, from Helen in Victoria Australia, I am currently researching GINGER family of Edelsborough Bucks. and would really appreciate hearing from anyone on List who may have some information on same. Stanbridge GINGER chr 6 May 1760 Edelsborough Bucks. marr. 1789 Eaton Bray Beds. to Mary Rhodous /Roads/Rodnes Any information re the above, >From Helen

My interests in trying to piece together MORECRAFT and MOOCRAFT family lines has led me to find a number of apparently unconnected family groups in Bucks from the late 18th century. However, I have so far been unable to ascertain from whence they came. Any suggestions or observations are welcome. Winslow - Farmers & Butchers from/before 1765 Penn/Amersham occupation uncertain (no butchers noted), wedding in 1767 (probably from Warfield, Berks) Haddenham - Farmers & Butchers from before 1784 Leighton Buzzard - before 1786 Burnham ag labs, from Hurley, Berks ca 1800 Wycombe butchers & furniture makers- Thomas Morecraft, butcher was buried there in 1833 age 61, and was living there before 1817 Peter

> Thank you for that, John. I will certainly keep an open mind on the > spelling in the future. So many permutations now. Joan. > > > Just a note to say that on researching 2 seperate Saunders families, > > I also found the surname as "SANDERS", so that could well help you > > in tracing the correct family. And be p[repared also for finding the name indexed as Landers or Launders - L and S and virtually indistinguishable in some writings.

Hello Listers. A VKS has helped me sort out the census data. Thank you all. Joan.

Thank you for that, John. I will certainly keep an open mind on the spelling in the future. So many permutations now. Joan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Nixey" <jons.family.tree@btinternet.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] John SAUNDERS md Wycombe 1890 help please > Hi Joan, > > Just a note to say that on researching 2 seperate Saunders families, I > also > found the surname as "SANDERS", so that could well help you in tracing the > correct family. > > Kind regards, > > Jon

Hi Joan, Just a note to say that on researching 2 seperate Saunders families, I also found the surname as "SANDERS", so that could well help you in tracing the correct family. Kind regards, Jon

Hello. From freebmd I have the marriage in MarchQ 1890 of John SAUNDERS; to Louisa Helena E V HUDSON pob Stepney. In the 1891C they appear to be living in Totteridge Road, Chipping Wycombe age 21 and 20. John is a Cow Keeper. Looking for them in 1901C I started with Totteridge. RG13 1348 79 p5,shows a John Saunders (groom) and Louise (sic) with 4 children. Wilfred 8; Arthur 6; Eva 4; Constance 3. All children's pob shown as Wycombe. However, a VKS suggested an alternative for 1901: a John SAUNDERS, Coach Porter, 29, with 3 children, John 6, Louisa 4 and William 2. They are in RG13/318 London, Ratcliff (part of) Limehouse District. Pob for children and father, John, all Ratcliff. Pob for Louisa shown as Stepney. Is anyone researching the SAUNDERS, please, and can give me correct family? In the 1911C, looking for SAUNDERS, there is a husband, John age 42, in Wycombe with Constance, Evelyn (Eva?) and Saunders family but no Louisa. On a whim put HUDSON in top surname field, Shoreditch in location and Louisa SAUNDERS as "other family members". This brought up a list of HUDSONs. Unfortunately, none immediately recognisable from my database but lots of my HUDSONs were in East London. The place is an "Institution". So I still don't know exactly where Louisa was. I'm not asking anyone to spend their "credits" on my behalf but would like to know what kind of place the word "Institution" covers. Also, are there some other fields in "advanced search" I could use, to elicit the correct info? Thank you. Joan.

<Tue, 7 Apr 2009 00:13:18 Jeff Wilson wrote I need help looking up the marriage of a William Higgs to Elizabeth in about 1797-99 (in Oakley??). > Just a comment, something you may already know. The FHL Catalog shows a gap between 1754 and 1813 in Oakley parish registers for marriages plus even larger gaps in the Bishop's Transcripts. Looks like they have been missing for a long time as in 1938 an book of extracts of Oakley marriages ended with 1754. So the marriage could very well have been there. Have you looked at the National Archives Access to Archives? Seems to me that I saw marriage licenses on there, but may have been Bedfordshire. Since Oakley borders on Oxfordshire good likelihood William was from there. Unfortunately the IGI doesn't have a lot of marriages extracted from that county. Good luck, Charlotte

Hi, the only thing I have on Palmer's from Steeple Claydon is that an Elizabeth Palmer married a Thomas Grace of Steeple Claydon on 15 Jam 1800.? I do also have a list of their children. Valerie -----Original Message----- From: Sarah <sjharris31@btinternet.com> To: bucks@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, Jun 13, 2009 3:58 am Subject: [BKM] Palmers of Steeple Claydon. Good Morning! Does anyone have any information on the Palmers of Steeple Claydon? I'm trying to piece together a puzzle of Palmer's in Hethe(Heath) in Oxfordshire. The earliest Palmer Christenings are of Ann in 1755 and Ruth in 1756 both daughters of "Peter & Ann of Steeple Claydon, Bucks". Then there's a big gap to the next Palmer; twin daughters of William, Christened in 1793. I would appreciate any information about what happen to the family.. if anyone out there knows? Thanks, Sarah. *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning! Does anyone have any information on the Palmers of Steeple Claydon? I'm trying to piece together a puzzle of Palmer's in Hethe(Heath) in Oxfordshire. The earliest Palmer Christenings are of Ann in 1755 and Ruth in 1756 both daughters of "Peter & Ann of Steeple Claydon, Bucks". Then there's a big gap to the next Palmer; twin daughters of William, Christened in 1793. I would appreciate any information about what happen to the family.. if anyone out there knows? Thanks, Sarah.

Next Saturday, June 13, we have a meeting where members are displaying HOW I KEEP MY RECORDS There will be pedigrees on show, printed and MSS book/lets, demonstrations of how to use various family history programs, and advice on using a Mormon FH centre and on tackling your problems. This is at ASHMEAD SCHOOL Cole Rd (off Hannon Rd, by Walton Court shopping centre from 2.30pm Please note change of venue for this one meeting Hannon Rd runs between Ellen Rd and Churchill Ave; Make for Walton Court shoppin centre. (01844 291631 for details)

I understand from the GENUKI website that the parish registers for Winslow were deposited in the Bucks Record Office in 2003 and I wonder if someone would advise me on the availability of these records for those of us not living in England. My immediate interest is in finding the baptism of Hannah Newman who from her age given in later documents would have been born about 1811 in Winslow. (The LDS has filmed the BT's but they are missing the years 1810 to 1824.) I would also like to have a more general look at these records for any other reference to my Gibbard family of nearby Padbury. Will the LDS be filming these records or at least indexing them for the IGI? Are transcripts being made? Any information would be welcomed. Glen Gibbard Burnaby, B.C., Canada

Dear Listers I know that this not strictly a Bucks question but thought that the many knowledgeable members could help with this dilema. Civil birth registration - if there is more than one registration under the same quarter, district and number and for the same surname can one assume that means a multiple birth. The reason is that there are four births registered as above. In the next census one child is with the family and one is with the grandparents. There is a death in the same quarter as the birth - child aged 0 but no sign of the fourth child. Any thoughts or advice will be appreciated. Marian

David, Here are a couple of links from Wikipedia in case you don't know about them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosario_Central http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Argentine_Railway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_settlement_in_Argentina At one point in the musical 'Evita' they sing about Juan Peron "he got the English Out" David On 1/06/2009, at 4:05 AM, David Lane wrote: > My wife's grandfather, Thomas George WARREN, was one of thirteen > employees > from the Wolverton Railway Works who sailed for Argentina on 25 > September > 1908. The group were made up from various trades - wagon smiths, > armature > winder, carpenter etc., under a foreman (Mr JENKINS). They were > based at the > Rosario Railway Works in/near Buenos Aries. > > > > I would be pleased to hear from anyone who may be able to help > with any > background information on this venture, or indeed, had an ancestor > who was > one of the group. > > > > David > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message