Further to my previous email, the same William CHILD is in 1851, aged 70 now a widower but still a Timber Merchant. With 2 daughters, Emma CHILD aged 29, and Sarah COLLINS aged 42 and Sarah's two children, William aged 7 and George aged 6 COLLINS. Not too sure if this is your man. Dallas 1841 Name: William Child Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Gender: Male Where born: Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Beaconsfield Hundred: Burnham County/Island: Buckinghamshire Occupation: Timber Merchant Registration district: Amersham Sub-registration district: Beaconsfield Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Child 60 Mary Child 60 1851 Name: William Child Age: 70 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, England Civil parish: Beaconsfield Town: Beaconsfield County/Island: Buckinghamshire Occupation: Timber Merchant Condition as to marriage: Widower Registration district: Amersham Sub-registration district: Missenden ED, institution, or vessel: 2b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 25 Household Members: Name Age William Child 70 Emma Child 29 Sarah Collins 42 William Collins 7 George Collins 6 -----Original Message----- From: bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dallas Window Sent: Monday, 19 October 2009 10:29 AM To: Bucks List Subject: Re: [BKM] CHILD family Beaconsfied Hi Emma, I found a possible match for your William CHILD. He is described as a Timber Merchant in 1841, residing at Beaconsfield, aged 60 married to Mary also aged 60. I will send the image off list. Cheers Dallas -----Original Message----- From: bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bucks Researcher Sent: Sunday, 18 October 2009 12:13 AM To: Bucks List Subject: [BKM] CHILD family Beaconsfied Hi I am looking for details about a family named CHILD. There was daughter named Eliza born 1817 in Beaconsfield (1851 census). Her father, according to her marriage cert of 1840 was named William, a builder. Eliza married in St Matthew, Bethnal Green Middlesex to Edwin MORBEY. Having married in 1840, (rather selfishly i feel!!) I havennt been able to pin (with any accuracccy) the CHILD family in the 1841 census. If anyone has any knowledge of this family, I would be delighted to hear from them!! Emma _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger for free on selected mobiles http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/ *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Emma, I found a possible match for your William CHILD. He is described as a Timber Merchant in 1841, residing at Beaconsfield, aged 60 married to Mary also aged 60. I will send the image off list. Cheers Dallas -----Original Message----- From: bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bucks Researcher Sent: Sunday, 18 October 2009 12:13 AM To: Bucks List Subject: [BKM] CHILD family Beaconsfied Hi I am looking for details about a family named CHILD. There was daughter named Eliza born 1817 in Beaconsfield (1851 census). Her father, according to her marriage cert of 1840 was named William, a builder. Eliza married in St Matthew, Bethnal Green Middlesex to Edwin MORBEY. Having married in 1840, (rather selfishly i feel!!) I havennt been able to pin (with any accuracccy) the CHILD family in the 1841 census. If anyone has any knowledge of this family, I would be delighted to hear from them!! Emma _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger for free on selected mobiles http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/ *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

William is still there in 1851, age 70, born Beaconsfield, living Wycombe End. He has two daughters living with him, Emma Child & Sarah Colllins, & grandchildren William & George Collins. The Bucks FHS has transcribed the Beaconsfield registers up to1901, & it's possible to buy them on CD, or request a search on the name CHILD. http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Someone has put an Eliza who may be the right one on Ancestral File, along with the rest of the family - http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=/eng/search/ancestorsearchresults.asp Should be checked, though. Not all such submissions are correct. Paul Dallas Window wrote: > Hi Emma, > > I found a possible match for your William CHILD. He is described as a Timber Merchant in 1841, residing at Beaconsfield, aged 60 married to Mary also aged 60. > > I will send the image off list. > > Cheers > Dallas > > -----Original Message----- > From: bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bucks Researcher > Sent: Sunday, 18 October 2009 12:13 AM > To: Bucks List > Subject: [BKM] CHILD family Beaconsfied > > > Hi > > > > > > I am looking for details about a family named CHILD. There was daughter named Eliza born 1817 in Beaconsfield (1851 census). > > > > Her father, according to her marriage cert of 1840 was named William, a builder. Eliza married in St Matthew, Bethnal Green Middlesex to Edwin MORBEY. > > > > Having married in 1840, (rather selfishly i feel!!) I havennt been able to pin (with any accuracccy) the CHILD family in the 1841 census. > > > > If anyone has any knowledge of this family, I would be delighted to hear from them!! > > > > Emma > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use Windows Live Messenger for free on selected mobiles > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/ > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi I am looking for details about a family named CHILD. There was daughter named Eliza born 1817 in Beaconsfield (1851 census). Her father, according to her marriage cert of 1840 was named William, a builder. Eliza married in St Matthew, Bethnal Green Middlesex to Edwin MORBEY. Having married in 1840, (rather selfishly i feel!!) I havennt been able to pin (with any accuracccy) the CHILD family in the 1841 census. If anyone has any knowledge of this family, I would be delighted to hear from them!! Emma _________________________________________________________________ Use Windows Live Messenger for free on selected mobiles http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/174426567/direct/01/

Hi there Eve, thank you very much indeed for your response. The people you mention below are my direct ancestors, the Caporns are a reasonably well-known extended family in Western Australia to this day (thanks in part to his bringing his wife and 10 children with him!). Oral history here in Australia always had it that Joshua Caporn was a minister and the newspaper article announcing his marriage to Katharine (Kitty) Goode in 1776 refers to him as "Moses Caporn, DD, Vicar of Gawcott". Would you have any other references or information about his ministry at all? My other question, if I may, is to ask if you know anything at all about Katharine's family before they lived in Buckingham, Bucks. I have a 1906 reference to the Reverend William Goode (a nephew of Katharine's, son of Rev Wm Goode the elder) being a descendant of Richard Goode of Oxford, Mayor of Oxford in 1601/2 and 1606/7. However, I haven't been able yet to discover who Katharine's father's parents were. His name was also William Goode, grocer and tallow chandler of Buckingham (married Katharine Bourne there in 1746 and he died 1780). Thanks and cheers Julie Fitzgerald Australia -----Original Message----- From: bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bucks-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eve@varneys.org.uk Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2009 3:58 AM To: gill; bucks@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKM] Goode > > > > Since it's quiet I thought I'd mention my Buckingham research > > interests. > > > > I'd love to hear from you if you have any connection to the Goode > > family of Buckingham, there from at least 1746. Connected surnames > > include Bourne, Smith, Bliss, Caporn and Inwood. Joshua Caporn married Ms Goode - he was a nonconformist preacher off and on. Their Samuel, an interesting character altogether, organised a party who emigrated from Long Crendon to Australia - selected on the most careful principles, with useful workmen and a good selection of house trained young girls as prospective brides. EVE McLAUGHLIN, Secretray, Bucks Genealogical Society > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just a quick note of thanks for all the responses to my query about a surname on a marriage certificate. I fear this is one mystery I'm never going to solve, but I really appreciate all of the opinions and thoughts I have received. Eunice

> > Not sure what you mean by a snippet in the newspaper? The reuirement tended to be the official entry in London Gazette and also a formal notice in the paper local to the area where the person lived.

> I wonder if I can ask for listers' interpretation of a surname on a > 1967 marriage certificate : > > The groom's name is "Brown", he is a widower, aged 62. > The brides' name is "Mary Brown" formerly known as "Mary Smith". She > is a spinster, aged 51. > > I know that this couple had many children together, the first in 1936 > and the last in 1957. > > Is it likely that the bride changed her name by Deed Poll or another > official route (is there one?), or did she just go by the name of > Brown informally ? This seems most likely. If the first marriage of Mr 'Brown' had broken down by 1936 (or only a few years later despite the offspring), then he and Mary could easily have set up house without bothering with a divorce. Indeed, if he was the one who had committed the matirmonial offence, only his wife could sue for divorce and if she refused, then he would have to wait till she died. As he was now free, and getting on in yeqars, a late marriage was a good precaution, to avoid problames with probate when he died. Mary had been known as Brown for some time, and was now honestly admitting to this, so that there could be no difficulties with other paperwork. (Things like retrospective complaintts about false information on an identity card application, joint bank accounts, even house deeds, though joint ownership by spouses was less normal then. No formal legal process need have been gone through in the past. You could call yourself whatever you liked, provided it was not for passing off in trade (i.e. an actress must not claim to be Elizabeth Taylor, and a politician could not stand as Winston Churchill) There was talk of stopping this system - did anything come of it? EVE > > The marriage took place in a Register Office. > > I would appreciate opinions..... > > Eunice > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 21:40:49 +0100 "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: Hello Nivard, > No Brad, I was asking what specific mention the snippet was :-) Damn. The wrong end of the stick is as inviting as ever. ;-) -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" A friend of a friend he got beaten I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs

No Brad, I was asking what specific mention the snippet was :-) The OP has said its an undated or named snippet so may have come from the London Gazette or? I was trying to ascertain if it was indeed a deed poll announcement or some other announcement To the best of my knowledge deed polls are not put through the courts anyway, they have to be announced in relevant papers as required but it does not involve the courts It cost around a fiver in 1900 which does not sound like the greatest of expenses but that fiver was worth somewhat more than a fiver today ! Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:05:38 +0100 > "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > > Hello Nivard, > >> Not sure what you mean by a snippet in the newspaper? > > Local papers had, still do in fact, reporters in the courts, taking > notes on cases heard. My wife frequently gets a mention in court case > reports. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent"

Hi Sheila Well all over the place really, Bierton, Cold Brayfield, Aston Clinton, Steeple Langford, Thornborough, Leckhamstead, Twyford, Hardwick, Little Horwood, Quainton, In today's vernacular, they seem to have put it about a bit Ken Green

On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:05:38 +0100 "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: Hello Nivard, > Not sure what you mean by a snippet in the newspaper? Local papers had, still do in fact, reporters in the courts, taking notes on cases heard. My wife frequently gets a mention in court case reports. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Going round on the Circle Line trying to find a way out Titanic (My Over) Reaction - 999

There is in fact no legal requirement to change your name You can call yourself anything you want You cannot change "things of fact" such as birth certifciates, marraige certifciates etc To change your bank account, driving licence, etc you need to produce some form of documentary proof which can be as simple as a decleration sworn before a Public Notary Please see extract from Wikapeida on this "In the United Kingdom citizens and residents have the freedom to change their names with relative ease. 3. 1. England and Wales In theory anyone who is at least 16 years of age and resident in the United Kingdom can call themselves whatever they wish. However, over the past hundred years or so, formal procedures have evolved which are recognised by all record holders, such as government departments, companies and organisations. These procedures, which require the production of "documentary evidence" of a change of name, enable a citizen legally to change their name on their passport, driving licence, tax and National Insurance records, bank and credit cards, etc. Documents such as birth, marriage and educational certificates cannot be changed because these documents are "matter of fact" which means that they were correct at the time they were issued. Documentary evidence of a change of name can be in a number of forms, such as a marriage certificate, decree absolute, civil partnership certificate, Statutory Declaration or deed of change of name. Deeds of change of name are by far the most commonly used method of providing evidence of a change of name other than changing a woman's surname after marriage. A deed poll is a legal document which binds a single person to a particular course of action (in this case, changing one's name for all purposes). The term 'Deed' is common to signed, written agreements that have been shown to all concerned parties. Strictly speaking, it is not a contract because it binds only one party and expresses an intention instead of a promise. 'Poll' is an old legal term referring to official documents that had cut edges (were polled) so that they were straight." I understand for a Deed Poll procedure there was usally an announcment in either the local paper or in the London Gazette (my mother followed this route) It would be worth a search of the London Gazette which can be done on ine - just Goole "London Gazette" regards Martin However to change ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eunice Cubbage" <eunice@cubbage.plus.com> To: <bucks@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:48 AM Subject: [BKM] Surnames on Marriage Certificate >I wonder if I can ask for listers' interpretation of a surname on > a 1967 marriage certificate : > > The groom's name is "Brown", he is a widower, aged 62. > The brides' name is "Mary Brown" formerly known as "Mary Smith". She is > a spinster, aged 51. > > I know that this couple had many children together, the first in 1936 > and the last in 1957. > > Is it likely that the bride changed her name by Deed Poll or another > official route (is there one?), or did she just go by the name of Brown > informally ? > > The marriage took place in a Register Office. > > I would appreciate opinions..... > > Eunice > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen Not sure what you mean by a snippet in the newspaper? Change of name by deed poll is sometimes (very much in the minority) found in the London Gazette See http://www.ukdps.co.uk/IsADeedPollRegisteredAnywhere.html For more on the subject Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi, > I have a family member who lived in the same way but she did change her > name > by deed poll; I'm lucky enough to have a snippet from the newspaper. > Does anyone know if there is a more official way of finding a record of > name > changes? If so I should love to know as well. > Thanks > Helen

Hi, I have a family member who lived in the same way but she did change her name by deed poll; I'm lucky enough to have a snippet from the newspaper. Does anyone know if there is a more official way of finding a record of name changes? If so I should love to know as well. Thanks Helen On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Eunice Cubbage <eunice@cubbage.plus.com>wrote: > I wonder if I can ask for listers' interpretation of a surname on > a 1967 marriage certificate : > > The groom's name is "Brown", he is a widower, aged 62. > The brides' name is "Mary Brown" formerly known as "Mary Smith". She is > a spinster, aged 51. > > I know that this couple had many children together, the first in 1936 > and the last in 1957. > > Is it likely that the bride changed her name by Deed Poll or another > official route (is there one?), or did she just go by the name of Brown > informally ? > > The marriage took place in a Register Office. > > I would appreciate opinions..... > > Eunice > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Eunice As there would be little benefit and some cost involved I do not think she would have changed her name but merely assumed the surname BROWN To change her name by deed poll would mean advertising the fact she was unmarried which is surely the opposite of what she would want to do As she had lived for many years as Mary BROWN that is the name she was formerly known by The motive may have been for pension or inheritance purposes perhaps She was obviously not trying to hide anything on her marriage as she volunteers the information that she is a spinster, she could have lied and said widow, no proof was requested Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I wonder if I can ask for listers' interpretation of a surname on > a 1967 marriage certificate : > > The groom's name is "Brown", he is a widower, aged 62. > The brides' name is "Mary Brown" formerly known as "Mary Smith". She is > a spinster, aged 51. > > I know that this couple had many children together, the first in 1936 > and the last in 1957. > > Is it likely that the bride changed her name by Deed Poll or another > official route (is there one?), or did she just go by the name of Brown > informally ? > > The marriage took place in a Register Office. > > I would appreciate opinions..... > > Eunice

Bob Thanks for the reponse. I should have mentioned, I know that Smith was her maiden name. I think it was your latter suggestion, but I was hoping for an opinion as to whether she just went by the Brown name informally or whether it's likely she would have changed it by Deed Poll or similar legal instrument. Thanks for taking the trouble to reply. Eunice bob@cotswan.com wrote: > Hi Eunice > > What does the certificate give as the father's name > That will be the best guide to which was her name at birth > > THere are several possibilities including her parents marrying after her > birth > > Another possibility is that they were living together and she took on the > Brown name at the time > > Bob > > > > On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:48:37 +0100, Eunice Cubbage > <eunice@cubbage.plus.com> > wrote: >> I wonder if I can ask for listers' interpretation of a surname on >> a 1967 marriage certificate : >> >> The groom's name is "Brown", he is a widower, aged 62. >> The brides' name is "Mary Brown" formerly known as "Mary Smith". She is >> a spinster, aged 51. >> >> I know that this couple had many children together, the first in 1936 >> and the last in 1957. >> >> Is it likely that the bride changed her name by Deed Poll or another >> official route (is there one?), or did she just go by the name of Brown >> informally ? >> >> The marriage took place in a Register Office. >> >> I would appreciate opinions..... >> >> Eunice > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.420 / Virus Database: 270.14.5/2419 - Release Date: 10/07/09 05:18:00 >

Hi Eunice What does the certificate give as the father's name That will be the best guide to which was her name at birth THere are several possibilities including her parents marrying after her birth Another possibility is that they were living together and she took on the Brown name at the time Bob On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 07:48:37 +0100, Eunice Cubbage <eunice@cubbage.plus.com> wrote: > I wonder if I can ask for listers' interpretation of a surname on > a 1967 marriage certificate : > > The groom's name is "Brown", he is a widower, aged 62. > The brides' name is "Mary Brown" formerly known as "Mary Smith". She is > a spinster, aged 51. > > I know that this couple had many children together, the first in 1936 > and the last in 1957. > > Is it likely that the bride changed her name by Deed Poll or another > official route (is there one?), or did she just go by the name of Brown > informally ? > > The marriage took place in a Register Office. > > I would appreciate opinions..... > > Eunice

I wonder if I can ask for listers' interpretation of a surname on a 1967 marriage certificate : The groom's name is "Brown", he is a widower, aged 62. The brides' name is "Mary Brown" formerly known as "Mary Smith". She is a spinster, aged 51. I know that this couple had many children together, the first in 1936 and the last in 1957. Is it likely that the bride changed her name by Deed Poll or another official route (is there one?), or did she just go by the name of Brown informally ? The marriage took place in a Register Office. I would appreciate opinions..... Eunice

The meeting of the Bucks Genealogical Society on Sat Oct 10 features a talk by the incomparable Julian Hunt on BEACONSFIELD & THE WALLERS which will discuss the local family which produced several Edmund Wallers, including the Poet for All Seasons, who changed sides to suit the prevailing government, and got away with it, twice, started a plot, betrayed his own brother in law to escape the consequences, and lived to tell the tale - and his kin who flashed across the scene in Beaconsfield, built a beautiful manor house, then abandoned it for Gloucestershire. Venue: Mandeville School, Ellen Rd, Aylesbury. Make for Stoke Mandeville Hospital, turn into Churchill Ave, then left into Ellen Rd and immediately left into the School. From the Oxford direction, turn off A418 into Ellen Rd at last roundabout before the town, and go all the way along the rd. talk at 3pm, doors open 2pm with opportunity for research in selcvt microforms and problem solving. Ample parking on site, bookstall, library for members. Enquiries: email or 01844 291631