Hello listers, I have most of the vital records of John GOULD, Rector of St Mary's and All Saints, Beaconsfield but am seeking further information about his imprisonment for debt, prior to his death in 1866. A chance meeting with the present incumbent brought the matter to light, in an account of the church history written by Canon Arthur Jones. Apparently, The Rev.GOULD was released on weekends from Newgate Prison to conduct the services at his church until his death in 1866. I did innumerable searches under many headings in 'The Times', when that facility was available online, to no avail. I have no idea what sources Canon Jones used for his undated pamphlet and no idea where I might now look. Can SKS assist? Regards, Beverley from Perth,Western Australia.

"Paul Hing" <paul@wilburydream.freeserve.co.uk> wrote : >Does anyone know if there is a list of registration Districts online which > >includes the towns and villiages covered by each? http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/reg/ for districts up to 1930. John B Leic., Eng Access the latest "Helpful Advice & urls for London Listers" at http://tinyurl.com/57ert

I've just discovered that my NASH ancestors from Chesham were probably non conformists. Can anyone suggest any books or other resources that would be useful in providing background information as well as details about the whereabouts of the relevant records? With many thanks Lizzie Allen ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi All, Does anyone know if there is a list of registration Districts online which includes the towns and villiages covered by each? Regards to all, Paul

Hi Folks Talk about longevity :o)..... William GIBBS married Silence GOODGER on the 20th Feb 1814 not 1914 Roger

Hi Folks Is anyone researching the surname of GIBBS in Winslow? If anyone has information on William GIBBS b.circ 1753 I would be particularly interested in when he died or was buried at Winslow. His first wife was Elizabeth Mansfield and he married his second wife, Silence GOODGER, on 20th Feb 1914. Silence was recorded in the 1841 as Silence "GOODGER" age 75 years ....not GIBBS. Her death certificate in 1845 has her correctly entered as Silence GIBBS aged 77 years. Thanks Roger

Hi, I was wondering if anybody might please have access to the 1871 census at all and might please be able to look up a family for me? I am hoping to learn some more about a George MILLS and his wife Lydia MILLS who would have been approx. 42 years old (George) and 37 years old (Lydia) in 1871 and who would have been living in Wraysbury.Possible childrens names that might also be on the census include Henry, Mary Jane, Alice and possibly also a Thomas. Thankyou so very much. Kind regards, Tina Connell

Hi, I was wondering if anybody might please have access to the 1871 census at all and might be able look up for a lady for me please? I am hoping to learn some more about a Mary MILLS who was approx. 80 years old in 1871 and who I believe was living in Wraysbury at the time of the census. Mary died aged 84 so was definitely in Buckinghamshire in 1871 aged 80. Thankyou so very much for all of your help. Kindest regards, Tina Connell

Hi Paul, Information about Registration Districts is available online from Genuki. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/RegOffice/ hth, Carmela

Long Crendon non conformist recordsHi gang I thought this might be of interest to anyone searching for non conformists on the Bucks/Oxon border. Rgds Judith -----Original Message----- From: Oxfordshire Record Office - Learning & Culture - Cultural Services [mailto:Archives@oxfordshire.gov.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:21 AM To: Judith Young Subject: RE: Long Crendon non conformist records 14.2.1/TR/1833 Dear Ms Young Thank you for your email regarding non-conformist records for Long Crendon in Buckinghamshire. I searched in our place name index for Long Crendon and found that we do have a few records relating to non-conformists for Long Crendon. However, none survive from as early as 1795. Long Crendon came under the Chinnor/Thame & Watlington Methodist Circuit. It probably would also have come under the Chinnor Independent Chapel and the Thame Baptist Chapel. I could not find any list of which chapels actually existed in Long Crendon itself because our lists only relate to Oxfordshire. We have a baptism register for Chinnor Primitive Methodist Circuit, which includes Long Crendon baptisms, but it dates 1863-1909 (Ref: CPMC I/i/1). We also have minutes of the Chinnor Primitive Methodist Circuit, which include baptisms for Long Crendon, but these also date from 1863 (Ref: CPMC II/1-6). Also listed for Long Crendon were: Reports on Primitive Methodists at Wallingford Circuit, 1838-59 (Ref: W& AMC X/i/1) Long Crendon Wesleyan Chapel Steward's Account Book, 1863-85 (Ref: NM3/11/F/1) Long Crendon Primitive Methodist Chapel Steward's Account Book, 1866-1960 (Ref: NM3/12/F/1) Long Crendon Primitive Methodist Chapel Trustees' minutes, 1907-1965 (Ref: NM3/12/A/1) Correspondence regarding the sale of the former Primitive Methodist Chapel, 1965-8 (Ref: NM3/12/C/1). We also have some transcripts of birth, baptism, marriage and burial records held at The National Archives for Thame Baptist Chapel and Chinnor Independent Chapel. For Thame Baptist Chapel these consist of births 1826-1836 and deaths 1828-1836. For Chinnor Independent Chapel we have transcripts of births 1797-1837, baptisms 1804-1837, and burials 1815 (the only entry for 1797 relates to a couple who were baptised in Amersham, the main series starts from 1803). If you would like to look at any of these records you are welcome to visit the office. Please read the note below regarding reader tickets. Yours sincerely, Talei Rounds Archivist Oxfordshire Record Office St Luke's Church Temple Road Cowley Oxford OX4 2EX Tel: 01865 398200 Oxfordshire Record office is open to the public from Tuesday to Saturday 9.00am to 5.00pm. It is advisable to contact us before visiting to check seat availability. If you wish to look at original records, you will need to register for a County Archive Research Network ticket by providing two passport-size photographs and official evidence of your address and signature (e.g. driver's licence or bank statement and credit/debit card). The ticket is valid for four years in about forty record offices around the country, and is a security measure to protect irreplaceable documents.

Forwarded by listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tompkins, M.L." <mllt1@leicester.ac.uk> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 4:45 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} COWPER, Winslow, Gt/Lt Horwood, 15/16C | I would like to exchange information with anyone interested in the COWPER or COUPER families who lived in and around Winslow, Little Horwood and Great Horwood in the 15th and 16th centuries. | | I have already collected quite a bit of information about them from the Great Horwood records (mostly the manor court rolls), but the families seem to have moved back and forth between Great Horwood, Winslow (including Shipton) and Little Horwood, so I am hoping that someone else will have collected similar information from the other two parishes. In particular I am hoping to find someone who has notes of the wills at Herts RO, dating from 1437, 1481, 1484, 1488 and 1521, relating to Cowpers of Winslow, Shipton and Little Horwood - but any other information from the 15th or 16th centuries would be very useful. | | In return I'd be happy to supply all the information I have collected from the Great Horwood records. | | Regards, | Matt Tompkins | Blaston, Leics |

Hi Everyone, Could some kind person living in Whaddon, please be able to tell me if there is a residence at 1841 Principle Street? On the 1841 Census a john BUTCHER and family were living there. Many thanks Alan Australia

Hello Alan, Principle Street merely means it is the main street of the village, and the roads in many villages were unnamed at this time - there was no need to because everyone knew each other. The only way to distinguish where your BUTCHERs live is to trace the census entries in order and link them up to known 'landmarks' like pubs, the church, the school (if it was built as early as that) etc and try to work out what path the Enumerator took. To help you there is a remarkable map of Whaddon dated the 1790's which shows all the buildings, drawn flattened out on either side of the road and named with their occupants - you can get a copy of this map from Eve McLaughlin of the Bucks Genealogical Society ( eve@varneys.demon.co.uk ) - maybe, just maybe, the BUTCHERs were already in Whaddon at that time. I have recently abstracted details of all the BUTCHERs I can find of Whaddon and Thornborough for another researcher, would you like a copy? They are Word documents of 25KB, 26KB and 306KB. I hope this helps. Greg Davies Nash, Bucks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Richards" <ricko_15@hotmail.com> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:42 PM Subject: [BKM] Whaddon > Hi Everyone, > > Could some kind person living in Whaddon, please be able to tell me if > there is a residence at 1841 Principle Street? > > On the 1841 Census a john BUTCHER and family were living there. > > Many thanks > > Alan > Australia > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks > surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: > http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html >

Thank you everyone for the information about the lace making in Bucks and England. The websites were very informative, as was the Olney museum site. The artisans were patient and hard working people. I don't know if I would have the patience to make the fine lace after attempting to crochet doillies with fine crochet cotton thread. Brenda, Canada

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>there re whether its extremely likely that I’ve found >the ancestor that I’m looking for. >I’m looking for the baptism of STEPHEN WRIGHT in order >to identify his parents. >He married Ann Thonpson (b 1767) at Ellesborough Bucks >in 1791. Their children included Sarah (b1791) and >John (b 1802) in Great Missenden. >Thomas bapt 1771 of Robert and Joanna >Sarah bapt 1767 of Robert and Joanna >STEPHEN bapt 1764 of Robert and Joanna >Anne bapt 1762 of Robert > >Stephen bapt 1741 of Robert and Ann >John bapt 1737 of Robert and Ann >Ann bapt 1734 of Robert and Ann >ROBERT bapt 1733 of Robert and Ann >Sarah bapt 1730 of Robert and Ann >Mary bapt 1728 of Robert and Ann > >I know I can never be 100% certain, but would it be a >relatively safe bet to say that the Stephen bapt 1764 It MIGHT be so, but I don;t think the BF index is actually complete yet. The main problem here is that some of the Wrights around that area were nonconformists and by no means all those records survive or were always recorded in the first place. I would dig around in wills a bit, to make sure there is no other Stephen. If your Stephen called his eldest son Robert and a daughter near the top of the family Joanna, then that is looking good. If his marriage was witnessed by one of the siblings, again maybe. There does seem to be only the one Stephen between 16 and 60 in 1798 (in Missenden) though there could be others serving in the army. I would say you have a very good chance of this being right, but watch out for alternatives and also discrepancies. >is likely to be my man and therefore the Robert bapt >1733 likely to be his father? If the one, then the other (as Stephen goes back another generation, and it isn't the commonest name.) -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

I know Rev Hurst as I was in the choir & confirmed at St Mary's as a child; my mother still attends services there. If Alice would like to send me the details to look for, I'll have a browse round the churchyard or ask Jeremy! I don't know of any other Langley churchyards. Amanda (now Surrey, but formerly Langley, Berkshire) -----Original Message----- Strangely the vicar of 'St Mary's church' Langley, Rev Jeremy Hurst is in the local paper as he is retiring this week. The church is off the Langley Road and is very old, there are also almshouses next to it and a very old pub opposite 'The Red Lion'. There is also a churchyard attached to the church. Hazel -----Original Message----- Could some one tell me, please, is there more then one LANGLEY CHURCHYARD in Langley?? My ggrandfather and ggrand mother were buried in Langley but I can not find any information on a "Langley churchyard. thank you, Alice, USA

Hi Barry, Try these sites, I think everyone with North Bucks ancestors would have a few lacemakers in the family. Bob NZ http://www.2020site.org/lace/ http://www.mkheritage.co.uk/cnm/lace/ http://www.craft-show.co.uk/demonstrations/Lace_Making/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "BARRY HARRISON" <bharrison11@rogers.com> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 3:26 PM Subject: [BKM] Information about lace makers > I have a Sarah Hawkins (Widowed) who was listed in the 1841 Wooburn Green, Bucks census as lace makers. Also, I have her son Charles, listed as a paper maker. Would anyone be able to give me a bit of information about the lace makers and/or paper makers and their work in Bucks? > Thank you for your help. > B. Harrison, Canada > > Kirsten Friis Holm Hawkes <kirstenh@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > This was from John Harris in 2000. Good info about Straw Plaiters! > Kind regards > Kirsten > > > > > > In the 1881 census one of my relatives was listed as a straw platter > > Does anyone know more about what this occupation involved? > > In brief Julie, yes -- 'cos over t'other side of the River Ouse have these > census entries on some rellies: > Sarah Neal Straw plaiter Leighton Buzzard 1871; > Ann Proctor Straw plaiter Billington 1861, 1871, 1881; > Eliza Kiteley Straw Plaiter Leighton Buzzard 1851. > > and while the example below is from Bedfordshire, by and large, the work > and related conditions would have been fairly similar over your rellie's way > in Buckinghamshire. Details such as where and how the straw plait was sold > and how the styles of weave may well have differed, yes, but the cottage > industry nature of the occupation would have been virtually identical. > > OK so what did I find out about their work? -- or to put it another way to > answer your question what was involved in their straw plaiting occupation? > > What follows is based on an extract from the family history I'm putting > together. It should answer most of your questions. > > In Bedfordshire one girl in three was employed as a straw plaiter. In > Bedfordshire 30% of girls between 10 and 15 were down as straw plaiters in > the 1871 census. Many children started work at an early age, some > youngsters the censuses list were as young as five. In 1861 when their > father, a railway labourer, was away, the Proctor family in Billington are > shown as being all straw plaiters. As well as Ann their mother (listed > above) the enumerator included Ann 10, Catherine 7, and young John 7. In > 1867 the Factory and Workshops Regulation Act made the minimum age eight. In > 1878 this was raised to ten (though often ignored). > > In the mid 19C straw plait was in great demand for hats. These were made in > Luton. In the 1870s the peak had been reached. Changes in fashion in favour > of smaller straw hats and bonnets for women tipped the industry into > decline: as you will see, by 1900 Chinese and Italian imports of a cheaper > but higher quality straw plait had all but eliminated the cottage industry - > much as lace-making, button-making, glover-making and chair-making were > likewise to be overtaken by their manufactured, machine made counterparts. > > Wives and children of agricultural labourers provided much of the work force > for the straw plaiting industry. In 1860 an official report noted that a > 'well ordered' family engaged in plaiting could 'obtain as much or more than > the husband who was at work on a neighbouring farm'. > > Workers were exploited and the industry dominated by the employment of women > and children. The child plaiter normally learnt the basic skills of the > craft at home from his or her mother before being sent 'usually at four > years old, some at three and half' to "plait school" at a cost a few > pennies, usually two or three pence a week. Plait school was little more > than a child-minding business run in a local cottage that exploited the > children at the menial tasks of preparing the straw. Often some of the > mistress 'teachers' were unable to plait nor teach plaiting themselves. > Their sole job was to keep the children working as hard as possible and > slaps and canings were regarded as a normal part of the disciplinary > process. > > The materials, the bundles of split and bleached or dyed straw was supplied > by the parents who bought them from the dealers - and it was the parents who > arranged for the sale of the plaits their children made. To make the > material local wheat straw was split by a special tool, cut into 9" lengths, > made into bundles, bleached to a an off-white, pale yellow with sulphur > smoke ----- and then to make it pliable, it was moistened just before use. > The best straw for was grown in Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire and > Hertfordshire. > > In a village like Billington almost all the women and children were engaged > in straw plaiting in the 1850s, 1860s and 1870s. Gathered in small > huddles > in their cottages, each carried a bunch of splints under the left arm, > pushed close up to the armpit, the elbow having to be kept fairly close to > the body > to keep the bundle in place. Starting a plait was tricky, but once > started, experienced hands moved their fingers quickly, turning 'splints', > over and under, with a moments pause now and again to 'set in' a new splint. > So the rhythm went relentlessly on. It was hard grinding graft. > > Colours and movements depended on the pattern being made. Every now and then > the straw plaiter would have to align two splints and she would do this by > passing them between the lips to moisten them before laying them flat again. > If they were careless, the sharp edge of the straw could cut the lip or > tongue. Children when they were still learning often cut themselves this > way until they learnt the knack better. Having their mouths full of splints > did not debar them from talking nor from the pleasure of joining in a little > gossip since all her companions would also be her friends. > > Older children were expected to produce about thirty yards of plait a day. > Those more skilled could do more, especially if they had more simple > patterns. But those that failed to reach their target might be kept at work > until their fingers became quite sore and bleeding with the effort 'to get > the required yards of plait finished'. Several varieties were woven - > plain, single-plait, pearl, bird's-eye and whipcord to name but a few. More > intricate plaits could command as much as 2s 6d a yard when trade was good, > The most proficient plaiters might produce as many as four hundred yards of > the simpler patterns a week. To do this much women had to sit in bed at > four o'clock on a summer morning and plait for an hour or two before rising. > > In winter, plaiting continued in the dim light of candles - and was hard on > their eyesight. Plaiters, usually in family or kinship groups huddled > together in the one living room of their cottage -- and under their heavy > skirts an earthenware pot of coals glowed to provide warmth. > > In 1863 a twelve year old girl from nearby Eaton Bray, where Ann Proctor's > parents were born described a typical working day to officials: > > "At the plait school that I am now at I go only from 8 till 12, and from 1 > till 4" , but mother sets me the same to do as I did at school where I > stayed till 9 o'clock, viz thirty yards, ten in each of the three school > times ... We sit very screwed at school. Get 10d a score, and dare say I > clear about 5s a week after paying fro straw. Have two sisters younger and > a brother older than I am who plait. He goes to the writing school in the > day, and does ten yards afterwards, which takes him till 10 o'clock at > night. There are I think, seven plait schools in the village, three of them > large. All but three of them have night schools, one till 8 the others till > 9, and their hours in the day are the same as where I am. Was never at > reading school. Can read the Testament but not without the spelling." > > All too often infringements of the Factory Acts were common. Children would > slip out of the back when anyone official called - which was rare - while > the number plaiting at home was too great to be dealt with by the police. > When caught plait school mistresses often had fines paid by a farmer since > this enabled him to pay lower wages to his labourers. It followed that > attendance of these children at school was very low and very difficult to > enforce. Only with decline of the plait industry was this problem solved. > > Sales would take place either at one of the special weekly plait markets > held at Luton or to itinerant or local dealers who were often also > shop-keepers. Often plait would be bartered for goods in the shop. > > In 1748 straw purchased for 6d could be made into plait worth 8s - 9s and > could earn GBP10 - GBP30 per year. Plaiters lived on a diet of bread, > cheese, and bacon. A good wage for an experienced agricultural labourer, > depending on their part of the country, was then around GBP28 - GBP32 per > year. > > Straw plaiting was a domestic industry. They produced an interim raw > material - flat plaits of straw that were purchased by a middle man, usually > from the nearby market town who sold it on to straw hat manufacturers. Work > was done inside the home by families and sold to the travelling buyers. > > This craft replaced the older cottage industry of carding, spinning, reeling > and knitting of wool that had become redundant by the introduction of wool > processing and weaving machinery in Yorkshire in the early 19th century. > > Straw plaiters started at an early age. By 1860 straw plaiting had become > an important source of work and income in Bedfordshire, where Luton and > Dunstable were the great centres of trade and a major centres of straw hat > manufacture. > > Numbers of straw plaiters falls in the second half of the 19th century. In > Bedfordshire numbers declined from 20,701 in 1871 to as few as 485 in 1901. > This caused by cheap plaits from China and Japan - and fashion changed to > smaller hats and the use of other materials. Craft was killed by machines > in 1874, Far East competition and fashion for felt hats > > By end of Victorian age female cottage industries made little contribution > to household incomes. > > Julie, hope this helps. > > Aye, > > John > in a dark Milton Keynes where it's too cloudy to see the stars. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Frampton [mailto:david@watford.karoo.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 17 October 2004 7:23 PM > To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BKM] Interests > > > Researching: > BIGSBY KNIGHT PLUMMER WAGER WARRELL BALDWIN, BEESON PRICE & PEARCY. All in > and around Chenies, Chesham, Chesham Bois and Beaconsfield. > > I particularly looking for the following: > > Burials in Chenies 1700 - 1800 for WAGER. Can anyone help? > > Does anyone know anything about Straw Plaiters? > > I am trying also to enlarge my knowledge of the social history of the area > 1600 - 1900. Does anyone know of a good site tucked away somewhere. All > the main sites are far too general. > > Many thanks > > Dave Frampton > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > This email and all attachments have been electronically scanned by Kingston > Communications' email Anti-Virus service and no known viruses were detected. > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > Your signature should be no more than 3 lines long and should not include > surname interests which are outside the scope of this List. > > > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > View or download up to 20000 archive photos of Buckinghamshire from the Bucks County Council web site at: http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/photo_database > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > >

Being new to geneology and unfamiliar with the Bucks area I would welcome the opinion of any listers out there re whether its extremely likely that I’ve found the ancestor that I’m looking for. I’m looking for the baptism of STEPHEN WRIGHT in order to identify his parents. He married Ann Thonpson (b 1767) at Ellesborough Bucks in 1791. Their children included Sarah (b1791) and John (b 1802) in Great Missenden. I’ve received baptism records from Bucks FHS for the period 1694 – 1794, covering all Wright baptisms in the whole of Buckinghamshire. Of the 700 entries only 2 have the first name of Stephen and those two are in Great Missenden some 23 years apart. Ive listed below the two Stephens that are identified with what looks like other siblings. Thomas bapt 1771 of Robert and Joanna Sarah bapt 1767 of Robert and Joanna STEPHEN bapt 1764 of Robert and Joanna Anne bapt 1762 of Robert Stephen bapt 1741 of Robert and Ann John bapt 1737 of Robert and Ann Ann bapt 1734 of Robert and Ann ROBERT bapt 1733 of Robert and Ann Sarah bapt 1730 of Robert and Ann Mary bapt 1728 of Robert and Ann I know I can never be 100% certain, but would it be a relatively safe bet to say that the Stephen bapt 1764 is likely to be my man and therefore the Robert bapt 1733 likely to be his father? Any opinions would be most appreciated. Thanks everyone Mark mlemmer_uk@yahoo.co.uk ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Dear Mark, Do you have a burial record for Stephen? If he died after 1812 the burial record should give an age at death, which would give you an idea of when he was born. ----- Original Message ----- From: mark lemmer [mailto:mlemmer_uk@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 10/18/2004 5:56:03 AM To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] Opinions please re Bucks Baptism records > Being new to geneology and unfamiliar with the Bucks > area I would welcome the opinion of any listers out > there re whether its extremely likely that I&#8217;ve found > the ancestor that I&#8217;m looking for. > I&#8217;m looking for the baptism of STEPHEN WRIGHT in order > to identify his parents. > He married Ann Thonpson (b 1767) at Ellesborough Bucks > in 1791. Their children included Sarah (b1791) and > John (b 1802) in Great Missenden. > I&#8217;ve received baptism records from Bucks FHS for the > period 1694 &#8211; 1794, covering all Wright baptisms in > the whole of Buckinghamshire. Of the 700 entries only > 2 have the first name of Stephen and those two are in > Great Missenden some 23 years apart. > Ive listed below the two Stephens that are identified > with what looks like other siblings. > > Thomas bapt 1771 of Robert and Joanna > Sarah bapt 1767 of Robert and Joanna > STEPHEN bapt 1764 of Robert and Joanna > Anne bapt 1762 of Robert > > Stephen bapt 1741 of Robert and Ann > John bapt 1737 of Robert and Ann > Ann bapt 1734 of Robert and Ann > ROBERT bapt 1733 of Robert and Ann > Sarah bapt 1730 of Robert and Ann > Mary bapt 1728 of Robert and Ann > > I know I can never be 100% certain, but would it be a > relatively safe bet to say that the Stephen bapt 1764 > is likely to be my man and therefore the Robert bapt > 1733 likely to be his father? > Any opinions would be most appreciated. > > Thanks everyone > Mark > mlemmer_uk@yahoo.co.uk > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > Your signature should be no more than 3 lines long and should not include surname interests which are outside the scope of this List. > >