Is there anyone out there that confirm to me that Esther and George BIRCH below are brother and sister?? I have in my tree an Esther BIRCH born Jan 1814 and married John BRANDON in 1836. My Esther has a brother, George, born Dec 1828, both from Chesham. I already know that Esther's parents are William and Mary Birch. I have been contacted by someone who's distant relative was George BIRCH from Chesham, born 1828 and married and had a son, William, in 1870. What are is the likelihood that this is the same George? Can anyone out there point me in the right direction other than a long trip to the RC in Aylesbury to go through the Parish Registers to see how many George BIRCH's there were. Hope someone can help! TIA Caroline

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If anyone is waiting for this to come 'on line', it's been indexed but the images are not on line yet. However if you find one of your names in the normal way - click on the 'name' rather than 'view image' then click on 'view other family members'. This should give you an idea of what to expect. Kevin.

I've looked for Lizzie using every combo and trick I can think of and just can't find her.......is there some kind soul out there up for a challenge or does anyone have any suggestions? Elizabeth Verde GARDINER was born 4 Mar 1874 so should be 27 at census date. Born in Amersham, kitchen maid in the Lion Hotel in High Wycombe in the 1891 census. Last spotted at the baptism of her illegitimate daughter Elsie in Datchet in 1896 (Elsie is listed as a boarder with Fanny & Katie Hopkinson in Denham in 1901 - no known connection there). Lizzie's widowed mother and siblings moved from Chipping Wycombe to Datchet some time between 1891 and 1901, but she isn't with them in the 1901 census. Elizabeth pops up again in Datchet in 1902 marrying Henry Thomas CRUTCH aka Thomas Henry CRUTCH on Christmas Day. Can't find him either in 1901 <sigh> but I have even less clues to go on with him as I don't know where he was from....he should be 26/27 if his age on their marriage certificate is to be believed, was a coal carter, and his father was also Henry Thomas CRUTCH. Hoping someone else has the magic touch.... Alex in Auckland NZ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

John, Thank your very much for the reply. <<This suggests that the Washington pedigree is in the 1674 Visitation, which has not been published.>> That would be typical ;-) Thanks again. Andrew John Addis-Smith wrote: >After checking further sources, such as the 'Catalogue of the Herald's >Visitations; with references to many other valuable genealogical and >topgraphical manuscripts in the British Museum', no author, second >edition, published in 1825, I suspect that 'Armigerous Ancestors' was >wrong in indicating a 1674 visitation for Buckinghamshire in BM >Harleian manuscript 1533 - I think it should have been the 1574 >visitation. Unfortunately it is known that 'Armigerous Ancestors' >contains quite a few such errors . . . This makes no difference to >the need to see the original Harleian manuscript 1533, since the Bucks >1574 Visitation has also not been published. > > >Cheers, John > >John Addis-Smith >Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, England > > > -- My genealogy page: http://w1.300.telia.com/~u30014342/gen.htm

Hi Alex, Have you seen these 3 possibilities in 1901 Elizabeth Gardner 31 Bucks H Wycombe Bucks Chepping Wycombe Elizabeth Gardiner 28 Bucks H Wycombe Buckinghamshire Wycombe General Shopkeeper Elizabeth Gardner 28 Bucks Wing Buckingham Wing ----- Also, this guy, Henry Crush 33 Kent Dover Kent Dover Horeman Marine Porter I hope this helps, Joan Ottawa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandra Coles" <ahcoles@yahoo.co.nz> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [BKM] 1901 census Elizabeth GARDINER > I've looked for Lizzie using every combo and trick I > can think of and just can't find her.......is there > some kind soul out there up for a challenge or does > anyone have any suggestions? > > Elizabeth Verde GARDINER was born 4 Mar 1874 so should > be 27 at census date. Born in Amersham, kitchen maid > in the Lion Hotel in High Wycombe in the 1891 census. > Last spotted at the baptism of her illegitimate > daughter Elsie in Datchet in 1896 (Elsie is listed as > a boarder with Fanny & Katie Hopkinson in Denham in > 1901 - no known connection there). Lizzie's widowed > mother and siblings moved from Chipping Wycombe to > Datchet some time between 1891 and 1901, but she isn't > with them in the 1901 census. > > Elizabeth pops up again in Datchet in 1902 marrying > Henry Thomas CRUTCH aka Thomas Henry CRUTCH on > Christmas Day. Can't find him either in 1901 <sigh> > but I have even less clues to go on with him as I > don't know where he was from....he should be 26/27 if > his age on their marriage certificate is to be > believed, was a coal carter, and his father was also > Henry Thomas CRUTCH. > > Hoping someone else has the magic touch.... > Alex in Auckland NZ > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > To search the BUCKS list message archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=BUCKS > >

I do not have access to the Centre for Buckingham Studies, nor a Family History Centre. Does anyone have details for registers for Westbury BKM, especially with regard to MAKEPEACE and FENEMORE people? At this stage I am especially interested in Ellinor/Eleanor Makepeace, christened 25 Dec 1812 in Westbury, my 2nd great grandmother. In 1834 she married in Westbury, to George Davis, and in 1841 census Ellinor and family are living in Finmere, OXF. Ellinor Makepeace is probably the dau of John Makepeace, christened 1787 Westbury, and Hepzibah Fenemore christened 1788. So far I have seven children likely for John and Hepzibah, but no access to relevant parish records and to myself confirm or otherwise. Not yet found anywhere to obtain fiche, hardcopy nor cd, for Westbury parish records, though some marriages on available on the IGI, but would like such. Jo. Shropshire UK.

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:05:04 -0500, "Liane Fenimore" <lfenimore@columbus.rr.com> wrote: >I am curious about your reply regarding the Herald's Visitations. I know >that about a dozen +/- have been published. Are there many more still in >existence? The Harleian Society, a charity founded in 1869 to transcribe, print and publish heraldic visitations of counties, parish registers or any manuscripts relating to genealogy, family history and heraldry, has published over 120 Heraldic Visitations. Because of its early start, most of its publications are now out of print, rare and expensive to purchase on the secondhand book market. Recently, in association with Archive CD Books, these volumes have been reissued on CD-ROM. They are listed on the Harleian Society web site at: http://harleian.co.uk/ Select the option: 'Back Copies of Harleian Society Volumes ' and look at both the Visitation Series and New Series. Heraldic Visitations were also published by others, such as F W Weaver (Somerset 1531, 1573 (1885) and Herefordshire 1569 (1886)) and W C Metcalfe (Buckinghamshire 1566 (1883), Gloucestershire 1682-3 (1884) and Northamptonshire 1564, 1618-9 (1887)). I am not aware of any reprints of these 19th century publications. Lists of published visitations are given in Cecil Humphrey-Smith's 'Armigerous Ancestors' (1997) and also in an article in the 1994 edition of Keith A Johnson's and Malcolm R Sainty's 'Genealogical Research Directory'. The latter includes the LDS film numbers of many of the published items. >Do you know why the Bucks Visitation was not published? The College of Arms holds the original manuscripts of all the Heraldic Visitations and has a policy of not publishing any, because it considers them to be resources solely for its own research. So all publications use the many manuscript copies of the visitations, created by various people with varying accuracy. The job of publishing visitations is very time consuming involving much collation of the various copies plus other checks. Buckinghamshire visitations published so far are: 1566 (by W C Metcalfe) and 1634 (Harleian Society vol. 58). The 1574-5 Buckinghamshire visitation is quite close in date to the published 1566 visitation and is just one of many not yet published. Cheers, John John Addis-Smith Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, England

Thank you for the reply. It turns out that the university library here has most of the Harleian Society publications - or at least they are listed in their catalog, what's on the shelf may be another matter - and once the students are on holiday I think it would be interesting to go look at them. University libraries that offer a Phd in history often have some interesting stuff. Liane

In remembrance of my grandfather Thomas George YOELL Army Service Corps attd. VII Corps Heavy Artillery Age: 39 died 24/11/1918 Service No: MZ/189877 Son of Edwin and Charlotte Yoell, of "Carolgate," Retford, Notts husband of Edith Caroline Yoell (nee Seymour), of The Bungalow, Horsemoor Green, Langley, Bucks. In Flanders Fields In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved, and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. (Major John McCrae - 3rd May 1915)

After checking further sources, such as the 'Catalogue of the Herald's Visitations; with references to many other valuable genealogical and topgraphical manuscripts in the British Museum', no author, second edition, published in 1825, I suspect that 'Armigerous Ancestors' was wrong in indicating a 1674 visitation for Buckinghamshire in BM Harleian manuscript 1533 - I think it should have been the 1574 visitation. Unfortunately it is known that 'Armigerous Ancestors' contains quite a few such errors . . . This makes no difference to the need to see the original Harleian manuscript 1533, since the Bucks 1574 Visitation has also not been published. Cheers, John John Addis-Smith Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, England

In message <000701c4c6fb$f0596d60$e4926751@l5s6u0>, John Gurney <john.gurney2@virgin.net> writes >Thanks, > >Eve & Barry, > >The name appears to be spelt both ways MEUROSS in 1851, MENROSS in 1881. a miscopy by the enumerator or simple misread, since the U and N are identical in lower case. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:07:35 -0800, Andrew Wallace <andrew.wallace@telia.com> wrote: >Does anybody have access to “An index to the pedigrees and arms >contained in the heralds' visitations, and other genealogical >manuscripts in the British museum” and wouldn’t mind doing a little >check for me? I have been sent a copy of some of the pages but the key >is missing. On page 23 it list a Washington family from Westbury and >gives the following information: 1533, fo 204b. Anybody know what that >means? The book is by R Sims, originally published in 1849. It has been reprinted several times since, for example on paper by the Genealogical Publishing Company, Baltimore, USA, and in 'Armigerous Ancestors' by Cecil Humphrey-Smith (1997). The reference 1533 is to the Harleian Manuscript number in the British Museum's (BM) collection of manuscripts. Cecil Humphrey-Smith's 'Armigerous Ancestors (1997) has a table which indicates that this particular BM manuscript contains a copy of the Herald's Visitation of Buckinghamshire for both the year's 1634 and 1674. The 1634 Visitation was published by the Harleian Society in 1909 in their Visitation Volume LVIII - although the text for this book came mainly from another Harleian Manuscript: MS Eng. Misc. C. 17 in the Bodleian Library, Oxford . . . There is no Washington family pedigree in this volume, though there are a few stray references to the Washington name in other pedigrees. This suggests that the Washington pedigree is in the 1674 Visitation, which has not been published. So you would need to examine, or have examined, the original manuscript in the British Museum. 'fo 204b' refers to the reverse of folio (sheet) number 204 in that manuscript. Cheers, John John Addis-Smith Thurleigh, Bedfordshire, England

I am curious about your reply regarding the Herald's Visitations. I know that about a dozen +/- have been published. Are there many more still in existence? Do you know why the Bucks Visitation was not published? Not that I expect to find anyone in it, just interested. Liane

Thanks, Eve & Barry, The name appears to be spelt both ways MEUROSS in 1851, MENROSS in 1881. John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04

In message <000601c4c692$54c2e480$02420252@l5s6u0>, John Gurney <john.gurney2@virgin.net> writes >Hello list, > >I can't find anyone on the Bucks Surname List researching the above surname It is definitely MEUROSS - Robert Meuross, though, was a one off, as far as I remember, turning up in Wycombe from somewhere just east of it (no details to hand this minute). I am not sure of the origins of the name - could be Scottish, linked with Muir, could be French, -maybe you have sorted that one out? -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hello list, I can't find anyone on the Bucks Surname List researching the above surname Anyone on the list doing so please? I have a branch of my family tree loaded down with question marks just waiting for you (grin) Thanks and best wishes, John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/04

Hi Is there anyone researching the name of Clark (e) in Bucks who has come across this family. HENRY CLARK born in High Wycombe, I have just found him in the 1871 census living with his Parents JAMES & HANNAH CLARK in Fingest age 18 making him born c1853. I found the family spelling the name as CLARKE in the 1851 census, were I found his parents and siblings in Hugenden. JAMES born c 1821 in Bledlow. HANNAH born c 1820 in Radnage after his marriage in 1874 in Wooburn HENRY moved his family to High Wycombe, were he is living in the 1881 census. I have also got him in London in the 1891 & 1901 census, I have found a Christening on the IGI for a HENRY CLARK 31-7-1853 Parents JAMES & HANNAH CLARK in West Wycombe. If there is anyone with any info on this family? I am more then happy to swoop

Greetings from Kingaroy, Queensland, Australia. My GGGG Grandfather was Thomas STATHAM, born on 21 December 1769 in Great Missenden. He married Elizabeth CLIMPSON, born on 14 March 1764 in Amersham Their son, John STATHAM, my GGG Grandfather, was born on 16 Jun 1791in Chesham He married Mary BUNKER, born about 1790 in the Chesham Parish Church Their son, John, my GG Grandfather, was born on 15 Jan 1819 in Chesham. John married Ann TOFIELD born about 1818 in Great Missenden. Is there anybody who can add to my knowledge of any of these good folk? Regards Ron Johnson.

Hi all, Does anybody have access to “An index to the pedigrees and arms contained in the heralds' visitations, and other genealogical manuscripts in the British museum” and wouldn’t mind doing a little check for me? I have been sent a copy of some of the pages but the key is missing. On page 23 it list a Washington family from Westbury and gives the following information: 1533, fo 204b. Anybody know what that means? Thanks. Andrew -- My genealogy page: http://w1.300.telia.com/~u30014342/gen.htm