Hi all, I expect you are fed up woth people asking this question but do you have any idea when the 1861 cencus CDROM will be ready? I'm sure i am not the only one who is wondering and i haven't seen the question asked for a few weeks so i thought i'd ask again best wishes Alison

Would it be possible for someone very kindly to look up marriage records fro Agnes Tack, born Carshalton 1864.... she was my GGrandmother's older sister, and I know she emigrated to Toronto with her husband.... but I can't track her down!!! I would be very grateful..... can't do much to reciprocate, but if you're ever in Edinburgh I will crack a bottle of wine with you or tea and cake if you prefer!!! Thanks so much! Gill Kelly Agnes Tack, oldest child of Henry TACK and Mary LOVELL, b 1864 in Carshalton, lived in Bucks as a child, probably went into service at 16 or so. Henry was born in Ashendon, Mary Lovell in Wing

I am interested in the Child family, mainly located at Wraysbury, also the related families of Trotman, Trippick, Stevens, and Edwards. In particular, I am trying to contact Nettie Edwards who is related to the same family. I have tried emails to her, but they bounce back as undeliverable. I would love to hear from anyone working on theser families. Alwynne

My wife and I are thinking of taking a trip to the PRO after christmas, can anyone recomend a small Inn/hotel thats within walking distance and serves a good English breakfast. (and thats not too expensive) please. Happy Christmas to all. Stewart Mold. SW France.

Thanks PAul - I'll see what i can find! Alison >From: Paul Irving <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> >To: Alison PAGE <alisonpage74@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing - and Wills! >Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:25:21 +0000 > >I sent this to the Oxford list a couple of hours ago, when someone asked >the same question there - > >Wills proved before 1858 in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury (wills in >London, & many in other areas, particularly larger ones) can be bought >online & downloaded for £3.50 each from the National Archives. > >http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ > >Information on them, & wills made after 1858, can be found at - > >http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/wills/step1.htm > >Other wills before 1858 are held in local record offices. All record >offices have websites, & any search engine will find them easily. Some have >online indices of their wills. Printed indices for other counties have been >published. Oxfordshire wills are listed in two books the names of which I >can't remember. Someone on the list may have copies, & be willing to look >up the reference. With the reference, you can order photocopies from the >Oxfordshire Record Office (or from any other record office). For a bit more >money, & given the approximate year of death, they'll do a search, but a >private researcher may search more cheaply. > >Paul > >Alison PAGE wrote: > >>Thanks John, >> >>i like that idea - does anyone know how one goes about looking for wills? >>This is one area that i have never looked into. >> >>Alison >> >>>From: "J.S.Wilkinson" <jswilks@lineone.net> >>>To: "'Alison PAGE'" <alisonpage74@hotmail.com> >>>Subject: RE: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing >>>Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:22:10 -0000 >>> >>>Hi Alison >>> >>>It may be worth looking for a will. If the father left it equally to all >>>three sons, they may have had no other way to share it. >>> >>>Regards John >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Alison PAGE [mailto:alisonpage74@hotmail.com] >>>Sent: 30 November 2004 14:49 >>>To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing >>> >>>Thanks for the look up tania, This is indeed the family who owned Burcott >>>Lodge before my great grandfather William Page. I wonder why they sold >>>up >>>when they had three sons to inherit the land. lack of interest perhaps? >>> >>>Alison >>> >>> >From: "tmg" <tmg@beeb.net> >>> >To: "Alison PAGE" <alisonpage74@hotmail.com> >>> >Subject: Re: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing >>> >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:05:57 -0000 >>> > >>> >Hi Alison, >>> > >>> >Just had a look on the map for these two farms, the first one is on the >>> >road >>> >going to Soulbury from Wing, and the second one is going from Wing road >>>to >>> >Aylesbury, last farm on the right before Aston Abbotts turning. >>> > >>> >Have you tried contacting the Local History centre, >>> >www.buckscc.gov.uk/archives maybe they can tell you more, or Land >>>registry. >>> >1881:- >>> >Dwelling: Burcott Lodge >>> > Census Place: Wing, Buckingham, England >>> > Source: FHL Film 1341392 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1643 Folio 19 >>> >Page >>> >32 >>> > Marr Age Sex Birthplace >>> >Robert VALLENTINE M 61 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 308 >>> >Acres Employing 8 Men & 4 Boys >>> >Margaret VALLENTINE U 27 F Cirencester, Gloucester, England Rel: >>>Daur >>> >Robert VALLENTINE U 13 M Burcott Wing, Buckingham, England Rel: >>>Son >>> >Occ: Scholar >>> >George VALLENTINE U 10 M Burcott Wing, Buckingham, England Rel: >>>Son >>> >Occ: Scholar >>> >Thomas VALLENTINE U 7 M Burcott Wing, Buckingham, England Rel: Son >>> >Occ: Scholar >>> > >>> >Think this is your family you are looking for? >>> > >>> > >>> >Tania. >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: "Alison PAGE" <alisonpage74@hotmail.com> >>> >To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> >>> >Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:52 PM >>> >Subject: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing >>> > >>> > >>> > > Hi there, >>> > > >>> > > Does anybody know any information about the history or owners of >>>Brcott >>> > > Lodge Farm or Oxley farm Lodge in WIng? >>> > > >>> > > ALison >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >>> > > To search the BUCKS list message archives, go to: >>> > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=BUCKS >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>>==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >>>To unsubscribe, send message to: >>>bucks-l-request@rootsweb.com or bucks-d-request@rootsweb.com >>>with the word 'unsubscribe' in the body of the message >>> >>>--- >>>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 >>> >>> >>>--- >>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 >>> >>> >> >> >> >>==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >>Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks >>surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: >>http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html >> >> > >

Hi....Can anyone help in any way I have been trying to find the birthplaces of the couple below Robert BRADBURY married in Waddesdon, Bucks 10 Dec 1788 to Elizabeth SOUTHERY, I have four of their children, all born in Waddesdon John b. 22 Jun 1789 d.16 Oct 1790 John b. 21 Nov 1790 d. Jul 1864 ? Thomas b, 4 Mar 1792 Mary b.24 Mar 1793 ************************************ I have found 2 of Roberts siblings Mary b. 1745 d. 1813 Thomas b. ? died before 1814 m. Susanna EVANS 27 Oct 1795 in Aylesbury, Bucks Thomas & Susanna had the following children in Aylesbury Mary b.1796 Eve Narney 1801 Elizabeth b. ? Would appreciate any help With thanks Ruby (BRADBURY) Birman Hollywood Hills California

I am looking for the following family on both the the 1861 and 1871 censuses: Daniel Freeman head Matilda Freeman, wife, age about 19, born Wolverton, Buckinghamshire children unknown Any help is greatly appreciated. Lynda Roberts Virginia, USA

Thanks John, i like that idea - does anyone know how one goes about looking for wills? This is one area that i have never looked into. Alison >From: "J.S.Wilkinson" <jswilks@lineone.net> >To: "'Alison PAGE'" <alisonpage74@hotmail.com> >Subject: RE: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing >Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:22:10 -0000 > >Hi Alison > >It may be worth looking for a will. If the father left it equally to all >three sons, they may have had no other way to share it. > >Regards John > >-----Original Message----- >From: Alison PAGE [mailto:alisonpage74@hotmail.com] >Sent: 30 November 2004 14:49 >To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing > >Thanks for the look up tania, This is indeed the family who owned Burcott >Lodge before my great grandfather William Page. I wonder why they sold up >when they had three sons to inherit the land. lack of interest perhaps? > >Alison > > >From: "tmg" <tmg@beeb.net> > >To: "Alison PAGE" <alisonpage74@hotmail.com> > >Subject: Re: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing > >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:05:57 -0000 > > > >Hi Alison, > > > >Just had a look on the map for these two farms, the first one is on the > >road > >going to Soulbury from Wing, and the second one is going from Wing road >to > >Aylesbury, last farm on the right before Aston Abbotts turning. > > > >Have you tried contacting the Local History centre, > >www.buckscc.gov.uk/archives maybe they can tell you more, or Land >registry. > >1881:- > >Dwelling: Burcott Lodge > > Census Place: Wing, Buckingham, England > > Source: FHL Film 1341392 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1643 Folio 19 > >Page > >32 > > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > >Robert VALLENTINE M 61 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 308 > >Acres Employing 8 Men & 4 Boys > >Margaret VALLENTINE U 27 F Cirencester, Gloucester, England Rel: >Daur > >Robert VALLENTINE U 13 M Burcott Wing, Buckingham, England Rel: Son > >Occ: Scholar > >George VALLENTINE U 10 M Burcott Wing, Buckingham, England Rel: Son > >Occ: Scholar > >Thomas VALLENTINE U 7 M Burcott Wing, Buckingham, England Rel: Son > >Occ: Scholar > > > >Think this is your family you are looking for? > > > > > >Tania. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alison PAGE" <alisonpage74@hotmail.com> > >To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:52 PM > >Subject: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing > > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > Does anybody know any information about the history or owners of >Brcott > > > Lodge Farm or Oxley farm Lodge in WIng? > > > > > > ALison > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > > > To search the BUCKS list message archives, go to: > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=BUCKS > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, send message to: >bucks-l-request@rootsweb.com or bucks-d-request@rootsweb.com >with the word 'unsubscribe' in the body of the message > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.799 / Virus Database: 543 - Release Date: 19/11/2004 > >

Dear Judith, Not sure if anyone can help but I am looking for any information on my Great Grandfather John HENDRICK who was a musician and Professor of music. He taught somewhere in Windsor.I am trying also to find out where he studied. My Grandmother told me he often went over to France to do with his music. If anyone can put me on the right path I would be extremely grateful. Any info I have that could be useful would be willingly shared. Many thanks for any help. Regards Pearl Evans email: simba@tpg.com.au

In message <006001c4d8f7$ddb16a10$0100a8c0@TUTTLES>, Pearl Evans <simba@tpg.com.au> writes >Dear Judith, > >Not sure if anyone can help but I am looking for any information on my Great >Grandfather John HENDRICK who was a musician and Professor of music. He taught >somewhere in Windsor.I am trying also to find out where he studied. possible London, possible as a sort of 'apprentice' to an existing organist or piano teacher. There were exams which could be taken (from the Royal Academy of Music in London, giving letters LRAM eventually) to give him some paper qualifications. Depends very much on the dates involved. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi, Some time ago I purchased a will dated in the late 1700's of a great x a few grandfathers of mine and have just been reading through it again in the hopes of perhaps trying to learn some more about my family. In the will this grandfather mentions 3 pieces of land/property - 1 in Middlesex which mentions a copyhold cottage with the lands buildings and appurtenances but then says in the occupation of someone, a freehold cottage and lands buildings and appurtenances in Chipping Wycombe, Bucks and then 3 acres of land in Prince Wyrardisbury, Bucks (I have just written it as it is spelt in the will) but what I was wondering is if somebody might please be able to tell me anything at all please about exactly what this means and what the difference between freehold and copyhold might mean please? as well as if it might be possible to find out anything else at all about the family or properties by tracing any records of them and if anyone might please be able to tell me how I would t! hen go about that please? I would really appreciate any advice. Thankyou very much in advance. Tina Connell

In message <POEHKNIEENDPBHELLKNLCEICDCAA.B&B@derektripp.plus.com>, derek tripp <B&B@derektripp.plus.com> writes >Missing declared dead, >Hi >In 1908 the 1st wife alive in 1916 the husband remarries Stating he is a >widowerThere is no record of 1st wife death or divorce Could someone who is >missing be declared dead? If the missing spouse had not been seen OR HEARD OF for seven years, , the husband could apply to the courts for a legal presumption of death. Very few people went to this trouble, but just regrouped or even remarried, if they were reasonably sure the first wife would not surface/ One way of being sure was if the man had killed her - but he could hardly say that. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

I am trying to locate the deaths or burials of Joram POLLARD and his wife Sarah. They had several children in Wing from 1789 to 1799, but are not in the 1841 census for Wing, so I imagine they died sometime in the interim. I could not find a suitable burial record for either in the Wing parish registers. Joram POLLARD was baptised in Wing in 1768 and I have located a likely entry for his marriage on the IGI, between Joram POLLARD and Sarah GIBBARD in Waddesdon in 1788, so Waddesdon is my next lead to follow up. As our local LDS centre is now closed until Feb I won't have a chance to order in the Waddesdon films until then, and they can then take up to three months to arrive....so I am hoping SKS might be able to do a lookup in the Waddesdon records for me (or alternatively already have info or a connection to either the POLLARDs or the GIBBARDs). I have the NBI (2nd ed) but there are no Joram Pollards at all, and no likely Sarah Pollards. Regards Alex in Auckland NZ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

"derek tripp" <B&B@derektripp.plus.com> wrote : > Missing declared dead, > Hi > In 1908 the 1st wife alive in 1916 the husband remarries Stating he is a > widowerThere is no record of 1st wife death or divorce Could someone who > is > missing be declared dead?And if so does anyone know how many years someone > had to be missing? Before they were declared dead in 1916Who would decide? > and where would it be recorded? Derek Tripp Flatford Mill Suffolk I believe a declarartion can be sought after 7 years, but there is no obligation to do so. Clearly, for a second marriage to be legal, a missing former spouse should have been declared dead but then if those around either didn't know or were happy to turn a blind eye, it may not have been done. It is a legal process so any records would reside with the relevant court or archive repository. John B Leic., Eng "Helpful Advice & urls for London Listers" at http://londongenhelp.blogspot.com/

Thanks for the look up tania, This is indeed the family who owned Burcott Lodge before my great grandfather William Page. I wonder why they sold up when they had three sons to inherit the land. lack of interest perhaps? Alison >From: "tmg" <tmg@beeb.net> >To: "Alison PAGE" <alisonpage74@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing >Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:05:57 -0000 > >Hi Alison, > >Just had a look on the map for these two farms, the first one is on the >road >going to Soulbury from Wing, and the second one is going from Wing road to >Aylesbury, last farm on the right before Aston Abbotts turning. > >Have you tried contacting the Local History centre, >www.buckscc.gov.uk/archives maybe they can tell you more, or Land registry. >1881:- >Dwelling: Burcott Lodge > Census Place: Wing, Buckingham, England > Source: FHL Film 1341392 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 1643 Folio 19 >Page >32 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace >Robert VALLENTINE M 61 M Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farmer Of 308 >Acres Employing 8 Men & 4 Boys >Margaret VALLENTINE U 27 F Cirencester, Gloucester, England Rel: Daur >Robert VALLENTINE U 13 M Burcott Wing, Buckingham, England Rel: Son >Occ: Scholar >George VALLENTINE U 10 M Burcott Wing, Buckingham, England Rel: Son >Occ: Scholar >Thomas VALLENTINE U 7 M Burcott Wing, Buckingham, England Rel: Son >Occ: Scholar > >Think this is your family you are looking for? > > >Tania. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alison PAGE" <alisonpage74@hotmail.com> >To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:52 PM >Subject: [BKM] Burcott Lodge and Oxley Farm, Wing > > > > Hi there, > > > > Does anybody know any information about the history or owners of Brcott > > Lodge Farm or Oxley farm Lodge in WIng? > > > > ALison > > > > > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > > To search the BUCKS list message archives, go to: > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=BUCKS > > > > > > > >

Missing declared dead, Hi In 1908 the 1st wife alive in 1916 the husband remarries Stating he is a widowerThere is no record of 1st wife death or divorce Could someone who is missing be declared dead?And if so does anyone know how many years someone had to be missing? Before they were declared dead in 1916Who would decide? and where would it be recorded? Derek Tripp Flatford Mill Suffolk Tel 01 206 298111 derek@tripp111.fsnet.co.uk

Missing declared dead, Hi In 1908 the 1st wife alive in 1916 the husband remarries Stating he is a widowerThere is no record of 1st wife death or divorce Could someone who is missing be declared dead?And if so does anyone know how many years someone had to be missing? Before they were declared dead in 1916Who would decide? and where would it be recorded? Derek Tripp Flatford Mill Suffolk Tel 01 206 298111 derek@tripp111.fsnet.co.uk

Hello Neil, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Rees" <neilrees@studge.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:43 PM Subject: Rees REES and James JAMES Welsh farmers at Adstock > My great-uncle Bob Tofield shortly before he died told me about his > friends Rees REES and James JAMES who were Welsh drovers who then got > farms in north Bucks at Adstock and Padbury in the late 1800s. Once he > went back with them to their farm in Carmathenshire. > > I have recently got curious about these people. They are no relation to > me. > Does anyone know anything about them? > > Neil REES > Bucks > Try contacting this guy: Mr Chris Smith, Fig Tree Cottage, Main Street, Adstock, Buckingham Bucks MK18 2JN. Phone 01296 713655, Email: chrispaul.smith @ care4free.net Chris has done a "one-place study" of Adstock and has a great deal of genealogical and historical data on the village. Kind regards Clive Holden (Kent GB)

Can anyone shed any light here... or point me to the appropriate place at least... Elisha Somerton, born in Syresham c 1862 was my great grandfather. He married Annie Tew and had at least two daughters, Ada (also known as Nellie) and Clara, There is a family secret buried in the past somewhere though, which is rumoured to have something to do with horse theft or similar, and Elisha changed his name to Frederick, presumably to escape the past. Elisha was living in Leckhampstead Bucks at 1881 census, but I cannot find anything else about him.... where could I find out if he was a guest at his majesty's pleasure or whatever? Gill Kelly

Hello List, Is any one out there researching this family, as they connect to my Pearce line. Thanks Pete.