I should also have posted my second reply to the list: Ruby - Have you found any related Bradburys [related to those in Waddesdon and Aylesbury] in London? I have found a large number of Chapmans (those related to our Bradburys, and Wrens, etc.) also in London. The records for St Andrew, Holborn (through IGI) have revealed numerous marriages and baptisms. I've also seen some Bradburys mentioned in St Sepulchre, Holborn, records - also a Ceely who is possibly connected with our Hewlitts and Chapmans. Other marriages are in St Mark, Kennington, records and St Bride Fleet Street, also further east. Maybe we'll find a connection in London - or elsewhere? Please let me know some of your other locations and I'll see if any ring any bells. Maureen -----Original Message----- From: Len and Ruby [mailto:lenandruby@earthlink.net] Sent: 04 December 2004 17:46 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] Bradbury & Southery <snip> Robert BRADBURY married in Waddesdon, Bucks 10 Dec 1788 to Elizabeth SOUTHERY, I have four of their children, all born in Waddesdon John b. 22 Jun 1789 d.16 Oct 1790 John b. 21 Nov 1790 d. Jul 1864 ? Thomas b, 4 Mar 1792 Mary b.24 Mar 1793 I have found 2 of Roberts siblings Mary b. 1745 d. 1813 Thomas b. ? died before 1814 m. Susanna EVANS 27 Oct 1795 in Aylesbury, Bucks Thomas & Susanna had the following children in Aylesbury Mary b.1796 Eve Narney 1801 Elizabeth b. ? <snip>

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I really should have replied to the list .. .. .. What looks very much like Marys parents are in the 1851 census in Padbury, with matching christenings on the IGI for those children still living with them (Joseph was a cordwainer, & had two sons in the trade living with him). There's a christening for a Mary on the IGI in 1818. But no sign of William & Mary in Bucks in 1851. I told Alan that, in more detail, & explained about "at least 21". What I didn't say was that I speculated that a cordwainer might have moved to Northampton, which is very close, & where the shoe industry was growing at the time, putting small shoemakers out of business. So what if William was in the same trade? Might be worth looking in the 1841 Padbury census, & I'd look in the 1851 Northamptonshire census, if I had it. Paul Toni Skidmore wrote: >Hi Alan, > >Padbury is just southeast of Buckingham town in northwestern Bucks - there is more information about it here: > >http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/Padbury/Index.html > >And from the pinpoint location on the map on that page, you will be able to see it on a Parish map of Buckinghamshire here: > >http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/hundreds/ahunmap.html > >BUTCHER is a very prevalent surname in the area; FLETCHER somewhat less so. I don't see either of the two you are looking for in Tingewick, which is on the other side of Buckingham. Do you have William's father's name? > >Do you have the family in the 1851 census, or any later census for that matter? This should give you Mary's place and (approximate) year of birth. It will be easier to try to find her baptism once we know this. I'd not hold out a lot of hope for finding an exact date of birth in this time period, though. > >Cheers, > >Toni Skidmore >Tingewick list Co-Admin >Chicago, USA >Researching: CLIFFORD/CLIFTON, DEAN, HOLLAND, NEAL(E), and NOQUET in Bucks >-------------- Original message -------------- > > > >>Hi Everybody, >> >>I recently purchased a Marriage Certificate of William Butcher and Mary >>Fletcher who were married in the Church in Padbury in Buckinghamshire on 24 >>February 1842. >> >>Mary's age was shown as 21. Could some kind person please be able to find >>out for me, if possible, her date of birth. Her fathers name was Joseph and >>if possible i would like to know her mothers name. >> >>Where in Buckinghamshire is Padbury please? >> >>Many thanks >> >>Alan >>Australia >> >> > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >To view recent downloadable photos of Bucks churches and village scenes, courtesy of Peter and Kevin Quick, visit: >http://www.countyviews.com > > > >

I can't find them in the Northants 1851 index. Here are the few BUTCHERs with Bucks connections. Wellingborough 2a 16 John 29 born Northampton Emily 23 born Newport Pagnell Addington 23 William 23 born Steeple Claydon Ann 46 born Lt Addington Northampton St Andrew 8j 21 William 31 born Stoke Golden Eliza 30 born Turvey Pattishall 5a Thomas 72 born Hanslope Ann 64 born Pattishall Cheers Marilyn British Columbia http://www.northants1841.fsnet.co.uk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Irving [mailto:pauljirving@ntlworld.com] > Sent: December 14, 2004 2:19 AM > To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BKM] Birth Date of Mary Fletcher > > > I really should have replied to the list .. .. .. > > What looks very much like Marys parents are in the 1851 census in > Padbury, with matching christenings on the IGI for those children still > living with them (Joseph was a cordwainer, & had two sons in the trade > living with him). There's a christening for a Mary on the IGI in 1818. > But no sign of William & Mary in Bucks in 1851. > > I told Alan that, in more detail, & explained about "at least 21". > > What I didn't say was that I speculated that a cordwainer might have > moved to Northampton, which is very close, & where the shoe industry was > growing at the time, putting small shoemakers out of business. So what > if William was in the same trade? Might be worth looking in the 1841 > Padbury census, & I'd look in the 1851 Northamptonshire census, > if I had it. > > Paul > > Toni Skidmore wrote: > > >Hi Alan, > > > >Padbury is just southeast of Buckingham town in northwestern > Bucks - there is more information about it here: > > > >http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/Padbury/Index.html > > > >And from the pinpoint location on the map on that page, you will > be able to see it on a Parish map of Buckinghamshire here: > > > >http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/hundreds/ahunmap.html > > > >BUTCHER is a very prevalent surname in the area; FLETCHER > somewhat less so. I don't see either of the two you are looking > for in Tingewick, which is on the other side of Buckingham. Do > you have William's father's name? > > > >Do you have the family in the 1851 census, or any later census > for that matter? This should give you Mary's place and > (approximate) year of birth. It will be easier to try to find > her baptism once we know this. I'd not hold out a lot of hope > for finding an exact date of birth in this time period, though. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Toni Skidmore > >Tingewick list Co-Admin > >Chicago, USA > >Researching: CLIFFORD/CLIFTON, DEAN, HOLLAND, NEAL(E), and > NOQUET in Bucks > >-------------- Original message -------------- > > > > > > > >>Hi Everybody, > >> > >>I recently purchased a Marriage Certificate of William Butcher and Mary > >>Fletcher who were married in the Church in Padbury in > Buckinghamshire on 24 > >>February 1842. > >> > >>Mary's age was shown as 21. Could some kind person please be > able to find > >>out for me, if possible, her date of birth. Her fathers name > was Joseph and > >>if possible i would like to know her mothers name. > >> > >>Where in Buckinghamshire is Padbury please? > >> > >>Many thanks > >> > >>Alan > >>Australia > >> > >> > > > > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > >To view recent downloadable photos of Bucks churches and village > scenes, courtesy of Peter and Kevin Quick, visit: > >http://www.countyviews.com > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________

Hi Alan, Padbury is just southeast of Buckingham town in northwestern Bucks - there is more information about it here: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/Padbury/Index.html And from the pinpoint location on the map on that page, you will be able to see it on a Parish map of Buckinghamshire here: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/hundreds/ahunmap.html BUTCHER is a very prevalent surname in the area; FLETCHER somewhat less so. I don't see either of the two you are looking for in Tingewick, which is on the other side of Buckingham. Do you have William's father's name? Do you have the family in the 1851 census, or any later census for that matter? This should give you Mary's place and (approximate) year of birth. It will be easier to try to find her baptism once we know this. I'd not hold out a lot of hope for finding an exact date of birth in this time period, though. Cheers, Toni Skidmore Tingewick list Co-Admin Chicago, USA Researching: CLIFFORD/CLIFTON, DEAN, HOLLAND, NEAL(E), and NOQUET in Bucks -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi Everybody, > > I recently purchased a Marriage Certificate of William Butcher and Mary > Fletcher who were married in the Church in Padbury in Buckinghamshire on 24 > February 1842. > > Mary's age was shown as 21. Could some kind person please be able to find > out for me, if possible, her date of birth. Her fathers name was Joseph and > if possible i would like to know her mothers name. > > Where in Buckinghamshire is Padbury please? > > Many thanks > > Alan > Australia

In message <09ed01c4e14f$09893730$86ddc044@FAMILY>, Denise <nikki247@optonline.net> writes >In the 1891 he is wife Agnes and says he is born in Drayton Parslow, Bucks.. >but that was where his brother was born...Maybe the closest place that the >enumerator could recognize... Drayton is just down the road from Newton L. > -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

In message <00c501c4e14a$7ef4f9f0$e3c46151@MARTINHOME>, MARTIN SEAR <martin.sear@ntlworld.com> writes >Hi, >Having just acquired evidence that my Ebenezer Sear was still around in 1901 I >am mystified as to his address. > >Where born Sawton Lonpile ? Sounds like a really horrible mistranscription of Newton Longvile - which would work, as you do get Sears in that neighbourhood. You can't say that the 1901 transcribers were not inventive. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

>William gave his occupation as servant, which could mean >many things. Possibly in this case 'railway servant' which included clerks etc. >However they moved to Wakefield, Yorks around 1840 and by 1841 his occupation >was Railway Inspector. By 1851 he was the station master in Wakefield. >In your previous response you made reference to the difficulty in getting a job >as a station employee. I have often wondered how a country boy from Kent, >working far from home, managed to get what was probably a very good job at the >other end of the country. He must have had a reasonable education, since clerks were expected to write a very neat hand, deal with maths etc. And to become a station master he must have been a high flyer. It will certainly be worth looking for him in the records of the railway company. Finding out which railway co is the first necessity - maybe (London and) North Eastern, or maybe one of the cross Pennine lines. Writing to the Railway Museum in York may get the necessary information in this case (saying he was stationmaster at Wakerfield). >I don't recall having seen you mention your railway ancestors before in your >many postings so was interested to see the comment. My Dimmock line were yeoman >farmers in Bedfordshire around Wootton. William Dimmock, well known Bucks name. > son of a yeoman farmer >was born 1805, became a tenant farmer (coincidentally near Sherington I think) >as his inheritance wasn't very big. His son Barnard, b 1831, worked on the farm >at first, then moved to Newport Pagnell where he became a corn merchant. His >father William retired and lived with him. The business presumably failed as >both father and son then went to work on the railway, the old boy as a porter >and the son as a labourer at Wolverton loco works. The family then moved to >Derby where many of them worked in the loco and carriage & wagon works. The >story seems to be typical of the move from working on the land to industrial >towns. There are some recoprds of the Wolverton Works in the Milton Keyenes Museum (open spring-autumn - and you need a special appointment to see the railway staff books, because someone h as to sit with you.) -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi Everybody, I recently purchased a Marriage Certificate of William Butcher and Mary Fletcher who were married in the Church in Padbury in Buckinghamshire on 24 February 1842. Mary's age was shown as 21. Could some kind person please be able to find out for me, if possible, her date of birth. Her fathers name was Joseph and if possible i would like to know her mothers name. Where in Buckinghamshire is Padbury please? Many thanks Alan Australia

Martin - > Having just acquired evidence that my Ebenezer Sear was still around in 1901 I am mystified as to his address. > > Where born Sawton Lonpile ? Don't take the transcriber's word for it - look at the image for yourself! Then try another census - the 1881 is free at www.familysearch.org (go to search, then censuses, then 1881 British census). The link to the whole household, when you've found the single entry, is top right. Ebenezer is said there to be born in Newton Longville. Wendy

Hi, Having just acquired evidence that my Ebenezer Sear was still around in 1901 I am mystified as to his address. Where born Sawton Lonpile ? Can anyone help with the translation Regards Martin Sear

Hello Alan, She may well have been 21, but is more likely to be over 21. Unfortunately this is just another way of saying 'of full age'. Anybody seeking an understanding of UK certificates need look no further than Barbara Dixon's very excellent site at: http://www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/births.htm and follow the link to 'marriage certificates'. I fear that if you are used to Australian Cert's you will be very disappointed in UK ones, especially death... Sometimes I thing they'll be the death of me. Kevin, Biggin-on-the-Bump, Kent, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Richards" <ricko_15@hotmail.com> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:35 AM Subject: [BKM] Birth Date > Hi Everybody, > > I recently purchased a Marriage Certificate of William Butcher and Mary > Fletcher who were married in the Church in Padbury in Buckinghamshire on > 24 February 1842. > > Mary's age was shown as 21. Could some kind person please be able to find > out for me, if possible, her date of birth. Her fathers name was Joseph > and if possible i would like to know her mothers name. > > Where in Buckinghamshire is Padbury please? > > Many thanks > > Alan > Australia > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks > surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: > http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html >

The recent correspondence about railwaymen serves to remind me of the impact that the travelling bands of railway 'navigators' had on the towns of Buckingamshire during the building of the railways in the 19th century. The railway came very late to Amersham (its station wasn't opened until 1892), and the 1891 census reveals over 80 navvies either housed in temporary huts in fields alongside the railway or lodged in the town. The total (which does not include wives, mistresses or children) accounts for most of the population increase inAmertsham from 3001 in 1881 to 3129 in 1891, the first time the parish had seen an increase since 1851. The birthplaces of the navvies indicate that they were drawn from all areas of the country. It is not difficult to imagine the impact of such a large influx of travellers on a sleepy market town such as Amersham. I bet the pubs did well though. Richard Ayres

In the 1891 he is wife Agnes and says he is born in Drayton Parslow, Bucks.. but that was where his brother was born...Maybe the closest place that the enumerator could recognize... Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARTIN SEAR" <martin.sear@ntlworld.com> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:32 PM Subject: [BKM] Strange address > Hi, > Having just acquired evidence that my Ebenezer Sear was still around in 1901 I am mystified as to his address. > > Where born Sawton Lonpile ? > > Can anyone help with the translation > > Regards > Martin Sear > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > To view recent downloadable photos of Bucks churches and village scenes, courtesy of Peter and Kevin Quick, visit: > http://www.countyviews.com >

Hello list, Does anyone know their way around Wakefield and can tell me where the above might be stored please? It would save my ancient eyes and my temper if I can avoid an internet search. With my thanks and best wishes, John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 09/12/04

I was intrigued to read your reply to the query about railway employees as I am descended on both sides from a long line of railwaymen and women. (I was the first in 6 generations not to follow this career). Although this is not specific to Bucks, I decided to post to the site as well, as it is of general interest. My first railway ancestor was William Wraith, born in Hollingbourne, Kent around 1804, I have not been able to reliably pin down his birthdate from the PR's. He was married in Taunton, Somerset in 1834 to Ann Icely, born Woolwich, Kent around 1812. They were both far from home and their witnesses were either friends or employers. William gave his occupation as servant, which could mean many things. However they moved to Wakefield, Yorks around 1840 and by 1841 his occupation was Railway Inspector. By 1851 he was the station master in Wakefield. In your previous response you made reference to the difficulty in getting a job as a station employee. I have often wondered how a country boy from Kent, working far from home, managed to get what was probably a very good job at the other end of the country. He obviously got into the business at the very beginning. Do you have any thoughts on this? I don't recall having seen you mention your railway ancestors before in your many postings so was interested to see the comment. My Dimmock line were yeoman farmers in Bedfordshire around Wootton. William Dimmock, son of a yeoman farmer was born 1805, became a tenant farmer (coincidentally near Sherington I think) as his inheritance wasn't very big. His son Barnard, b 1831, worked on the farm at first, then moved to Newport Pagnell where he became a corn merchant. His father William retired and lived with him. The business presumably failed as both father and son then went to work on the railway, the old boy as a porter and the son as a labourer at Wolverton loco works. The family then moved to Derby where many of them worked in the loco and carriage & wagon works. The story seems to be typical of the move from working on the land to industrial towns. Any comments would be of interest. Regards David Wraith -----Original Message----- From: Eve McLaughlin [mailto:eve@varneys.demon.co.uk] Sent: 10 December 2004 23:07 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKM] Buckinghamshire History In message <31137154.1102707512104.JavaMail.root@waldorf.psp.pas.earthli nk.net>, Lynda Roberts <lmr8h@earthlink.net> writes >Can anyone tell me what would have made a railway employee from Sherrington, >Bucks, move to Newcastle-upon-Tyne in the early 1870s? Was there a big economic >boom going on that area that attracted men from Bucks? Railwaymen were very mobile and went where their company sent them. But was he a builder or a station employee? To an extent, they were still building railways in the 1870s - my grandfather built railways and he and his gang went all over the country, and his wife went with him, so no two children were born in the same location in the same visit. And once the railways were built, they had to be manned and maintained, so men could get drafted from anywhere -you didn't normally just turn up at a station and ask to be a porter - it was a matter of great competition. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This electronic message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify our Information Technology Group immediately on - 020-7413-9600. Do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Any opinion expressed in this message or any attachment is not necessarily the opinion of Teknica UK Ltd. We make every effort to keep our network free from viruses although we can take no responsibility for any computer virus which may be transferred by way of this e-mail. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Hi, I`m turning my research towards the GREEN families of Biddlesden 1680 - 1740. Parents of Henry who marries Elizabeth Arnald in 1718 and Edward who marries Ann around 1750. Any others around at that time would be welcomed. Regards Pat & Chris Researching : Families of Syresham, Northamptonshire, England. Willing to share information. Just started on families of Biddlesden, Buckinghamshire, England

Thanks to those who responded to my query about WILLIAT connections Bill Deverell

Hi unsigned It would be to your advantage if you had shown some small detail other than just 'Friday' Plenty of people are willing to help provided you show a little of what you have discovered Regards,William wgra0331@bigpond.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: <Lactodorum192242@aol.com> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 12:02 AM Subject: [BKM] BIDDLESDEN > Hi, > > We have no starting point other than the FRIDAY family. > Would welcome the smallest of info on just about anybody. > > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > To search the BUCKS list message archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=BUCKS >

Hi Gill In 1901 Alfred C Perkins(Coachman-Groom),his wife Mary and daughter Margaret A aged 5 months but there was also another daughter Mary A aged 2 which tended to make previous searches a little difficult. Anyhow they are living in Union Street Amersham in what is described as a drapers shop (Image sent offlist) In 1891 Alfred is at home with his family and Mary is visiting in Eton. Found marriage Apr qtr 1897 Vol 1c Page 925 (Mary Tack) Have a great Chrismas,William wgra0331@bigpond.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "gill kelly" <gk011a6271@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 3:49 AM Subject: [BKM] Fw: PERKINS look up request > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: gill kelly > To: Bucks-list@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:16 PM > Subject: PERKINS look up request > > > I am struggling to find a record for the marriage of Alfred PERKINS, Steeple Claydon, and Mary TACK... He is somewhere recorded as a butlers assistant, I think... although I may have been dreaming it as I cannot find it again now. I believe he met Mary in service too, but that is conjecture and family story... However, they did meet, marry, and produce offspring, of which one, Margaret Annie, was my grandmother.b.1900 in Beamond End. Could anyone with a moment to spare (two weeks before Christmas!!! I must be joking) please do a search for me... Thank you so much.... and greetings of the season! > Cheers > Gill > TACK, YATES, PERKINS, WICK to name but a few! > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > To search the BUCKS list message archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=BUCKS > >