1851 - Gass (sic) works, Buckingham Benjamin COLES 37 Lab Gass Works Mary wife 36 Joseph son 13 Shoemakers App Benjamin son 11 Scholar Emma dau 7 do Elizabeth dau 3 do Mary A. dau 5m do All b Buckingham There was also a Coles (just the one, living alone) in Lenborough Rd - John, 71, wid labourer b Thornton. And 26 others in Buckingham. Paul Mrsrallsorts wrote: >Hi, I'm Maureen and I live in Norfolk. I am helping a friend find his ancestors. His Grandad was Henry (Harry) COLES and he married Sarah Ann COLES ( nee COLES, honestly!) in December 1901. >I have found Henry on the 1881 census living with his parents Benjamin and Sarah Coles and siblings John and fred as follows - > >Benjamin COLES 41 Buckingham Boot Closer >Sarah COLES 35 Lillingstone Lovell, Bucks >John COLES 7 Buckingham >Fred Coles 5 Buckingham >Henry Coles 2 Buckingham > >all living Lenborough Rd, Buckingham. > >I am hoping that someone will be able to find them on other censuses. >Thanks for any help and a Merry Christmas to you all. >Maureen. > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > > >

Hi, I'm Maureen and I live in Norfolk. I am helping a friend find his ancestors. His Grandad was Henry (Harry) COLES and he married Sarah Ann COLES ( nee COLES, honestly!) in December 1901. I have found Henry on the 1881 census living with his parents Benjamin and Sarah Coles and siblings John and fred as follows - Benjamin COLES 41 Buckingham Boot Closer Sarah COLES 35 Lillingstone Lovell, Bucks John COLES 7 Buckingham Fred Coles 5 Buckingham Henry Coles 2 Buckingham all living Lenborough Rd, Buckingham. I am hoping that someone will be able to find them on other censuses. Thanks for any help and a Merry Christmas to you all. Maureen.

Hi Pat, I don't have a Thomas KING of the right age or born Whaddon in my eclectic collection of Bucks immigrants to Australia. Do you have a last year when he was known alive in Bucks? Regards, Trish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <pmwade@optusnet.com.au> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 10:12 AM Subject: [BKM] Thomas KING > Hello, > > Thomas KING baptised 26/6/1815 in Whaddon, is a cousin four > times removed and I believe that he immigrated to Australia > (I have been told this but no other details). He was the son > of Matthew King and Elizabeth HARWOOD. > > Would anybody be more directly related to this gentleman? > Love to sort out what happened to him. > > All the very best wishes for Christmas and the coming New > Year. Hope is a happy and safe one. > > Regards, > Pat > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: > http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html > >

Hi , Merry Christmas to one and all. Trying to trace 5 men of the KASEY surname - possibly brothers and there marriage dates. Richard, George, John & William born c 1790 - 1815. Richard marries Sarah c1826 George marries Maria c1822 John marries Catherine c1818 William marries Mary c1823 They start Christening their offspring in Syresham from 1820 onwards. I`m thinking a Robert born in Biddlesden c1820s is a son of one of the couples (possibly Richard) and he ( Rbt.) moves to Whittlebury before starting his family. Did he marry his wife Naomi at Biddlesden? Would love to sort this one out before the weekend - I can rest easy then and have something to come back to after the break. Much appreciated. Pat

Hello everyone Although I now have many"new cousins"I am always looking for new family members.I would be pleased to hear from anyone researching the Pym family. Best Wishes Kate CHESTER --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 07/12/04

Dear everyone Seasons Greetings. I am hoping someone maybe researching the following branch of my family Walter John Pym married Mary Fassnidge[date nk]Walter was from Flackwell Heath and a carpenter by trade.He was born in 1866 He had the following children DOROTHY MAY FASSNIDGE PYM Born Hampstead 1893 Married ALFRED INGHAM 1920 ALICE ISABELL EDITH PYM Born Hampstead 1894 Married WILLIAM GEORGE TRIBE 1917 WINIFRED LOUISA MAUD PYM Born Flackwell Heath 1904 Married JAMES NESBIT 1926 If anyone can help,I would love to hear from them Kate[nee PYM] CHESTER --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.807 / Virus Database: 549 - Release Date: 07/12/04

Hi, I am researching the name Seers and have found a Joseph Seers with a birthplace of Egypt Buckingham. I am unable to locate this on a map can anyone help, Thanks Norman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.818 / Virus Database: 556 - Release Date: 17/12/2004

The search facility in www.streetmap.co.uk finds it immediately. Mike Chaney wrote: >Norman.... > >Egypt is - and ever was - a minute hamlet on the A355 near Farnham Common in >South Bucks.. > >Go to www.streetmap.co.uk for a modern map or www.old-maps.co.uk for an 1883 >map and enter co-ordinates 496500,185500 > >Might your Mr. Seers - or his antecedents - have had some connection with Seer >Green, some 5 miles or so to the north of Egypt perhaps? > >Mike the Map Man > > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: >http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html > > > >

If anyone has access to the burial registers for Chetwode, I should be very grateful if they could look up the entry for Thomas Hirons in 1801 - I am interested in the date of burial, any age given in the registers, plus any other comments or annotations that have been made. Many thanks in advance, Doug Stewart

Norman.... Egypt is - and ever was - a minute hamlet on the A355 near Farnham Common in South Bucks.. Go to www.streetmap.co.uk for a modern map or www.old-maps.co.uk for an 1883 map and enter co-ordinates 496500,185500 Might your Mr. Seers - or his antecedents - have had some connection with Seer Green, some 5 miles or so to the north of Egypt perhaps? Mike the Map Man

Hi Everyone, I am researching the following surnames: BEETSON, BROOKS, CANON, DORRELL, HAINES, MILWARD, RICE All from Waddesdon CLIFFFEN/CLIFTON from Quainton CHAPMAN from Upper Winchendon. Would be pleased to hear from anyone with a connection to these names. Regards, Jan McMaster, Sydney, Australia

Hi Jan, I am also researching the CLIFTON surname, which as you say often pops up as CLIFFEN, and my family went by CLIFFORD as well. Mine are in the Tingewick/Buckingham/Finmere OXF area from about 1777 up through 1900. I haven't managed to make any connection to the Quainton CLIFTONs yet, but there could yet be one pre-1770 as the distance between the two areas is less than 10 miles. Please let me know some details of your CLIFTON/CLIFFENs offlist, and we'll compare notes. I'm doing a sort of unofficial one-name study of this surname in Bucks, so I might have some resources that will help you. :-) -- Toni Skidmore Tingewick list Co-Admin Chicago, USA Researching: CLIFFORD/CLIFTON, DEAN, HOLLAND, NEAL(E), and NOQUET in Bucks -------------- Original message -------------- > Hi Everyone, > I am researching the following surnames: > > BEETSON, BROOKS, CANON, DORRELL, HAINES, MILWARD, RICE All from Waddesdon > > CLIFFFEN/CLIFTON from Quainton > > CHAPMAN from Upper Winchendon. > > Would be pleased to hear from anyone with a connection to these names. > > Regards, > Jan McMaster, > Sydney, Australia

I have some RICEs from Waddeson in my family tree. It's on Rootsweb WorldConnect, called PJI. Also a DORRELL - and I'd like to know more about her family. Paul Jan McMaster wrote: >Hi Everyone, > I am researching the following surnames: > >BEETSON, BROOKS, CANON, DORRELL, HAINES, MILWARD, RICE All from Waddesdon > >CLIFFFEN/CLIFTON from Quainton > >CHAPMAN from Upper Winchendon. > >Would be pleased to hear from anyone with a connection to these names. > >Regards, >Jan McMaster, >Sydney, Australia > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > > >

On the subject of KING - anyone looking for a William Deacon KING (mid to late 1800's) should contact me Regards, Stew WATSON King Country, New Zealand

Hello, Thomas KING baptised 26/6/1815 in Whaddon, is a cousin four times removed and I believe that he immigrated to Australia (I have been told this but no other details). He was the son of Matthew King and Elizabeth HARWOOD. Would anybody be more directly related to this gentleman? Love to sort out what happened to him. All the very best wishes for Christmas and the coming New Year. Hope is a happy and safe one. Regards, Pat

I hadn't associated this with Thornborough, but Trish is correct, there was a marriage between Newman Williatt BRISE and Susannah HOLT:- Marriage: 10 Oct 1833 St Mary the Virgin, Thornborough, Bucks, England Newman Williatt BRISE - of Swanbourn Susannah HOLT - of this parish Witnesses: Hugh BRISE, Elizabeth HOLT Married by Banns by: J F.SQUIRE, Rector of Beachampton. I can let you have a copy of the marriage entry from the register if you are interested. The baptism of Susannah HOLT is as below. Christening: 3 Dec 1805 Thornborough, Buckingham, England Susannah HOLT - Daughter of Andrew HOLT & Elizabeth [RIDGWAY] They also had the following eight children baptised, but seemed to have suffered a little from infant mortality. Of those buried, the eldest is recorded as 7 weeks. Christening: 2 Mar 1834 Thornborough, Buckingham, England John BRISE - Son of Newman Williatt BRISE & Susannah [HOLT] Occupation: farmer Baptised by: J F SQUIRE Christening: 5 Mar 1835 Thornborough, Buckingham, England William BRISE - Son of Newman Williatt BRISE & Susannah [HOLT] Occupation: labourer Notes: [buried 8 Mar 1835] Baptised by: Daniel WATKINS, Vicar Christening: 9 Feb 1836 Thornborough, Buckingham, England Anne BRISE - Daughter of Newman Williatt BRISE & Susannah [HOLT] Occupation: farmer Notes: [buried 14 Feb 1836] Baptised by: Daniel WATKINS Christening: 7 Jan 1837 Thornborough, Buckingham, England Catherine BRIZE - Daughter of Newman Williatt BRIZE & Susannah [HOLT] Occupation: farmer Notes: [buried 29 Jan 1837] Baptised by: Daniel WATKINS Christening: 22 Jul 1838 Thornborough, Buckingham, England Elizabeth BRISE - Daughter of Newman Williatt BRISE & Susannah [HOLT] Occupation: farmer Baptised by: Daniel WATKINS Christening: 11 Dec 1839 Thornborough, Buckingham, England Andrew Holt BRISE - Son of Newman Williatt BRISE & Susannah [HOLT] Occupation: farmer Notes: [buried 18 Jan 1840] Baptised by: Daniel WATKINS Christening: 25 Sep 1840 Thornborough, Buckingham, England Mary BRISE - Daughter of Newman Williatt BRISE & Susannah [HOLT] Occupation: farmer Notes: [buried 28 Sep 1840] Baptised by: Daniel WATKINS Christening: 21 May 1842 Thornborough, Buckingham, England Anne BRISE - Daughter of Newman Williatt BRISE & Susannah [HOLT] Occupation: farmer Baptised by: Daniel WATKINS Notes: [buried 28 May 1842] Hope this adds a little to your knowledge of the family. Regards, Paul Dixon Carrollton, Texas --- "T.Brownrigg" <dualtee@bigblue.net.au> wrote: > Hi, > > There was a BRISE line resident in Thornborough, BKM from c. 1833 to c. > 1842, would this be your wife's line? (Newman Williatt BRISE/Susannah HOLT). > > Regards, > Trish. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill (Freeserve)" <bill@wdeverell.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:09 PM > Subject: [BKM] WILLIAT family > > > > Has anybody out there researched the WILLIAT family in Bucks. > > > > The name crops up twice in my tree > > 1 Numan Williat married Frances (LANE) widow of Mathew DEVERELL 4 Feb 1633 > > Swanbourne > > 2 Newmam Williat appears as a middle name in the BRISE family in 1800s > (this > > is my mother's side!!) > > > > A Newman Williat held Brises farm at enclosure from his grandmother > Frances > > Deverell according to Ken Reading > > This would suggest 1 and 2 are the same family. > > > > The name also crops up in my wife's tree !! > > Newman Williat son in law of John JACKSON (will of John 1650) > > This one had children Newman (1644 Gt Horwood?) and Hugh > > I have his will dated 1676 > > I suspect he might also be 1 above but have no PRs to prove it > > eg death of Frances after 1633 and marriage of Newman to Hester Jackson > > Newman sen and jun are mentioned on the Helmsdon website as of Bittlesden. > > Lipscombe gives me gravestone at Mursley > > Newman Mar 7 1792 age 87 and Johanna (wife) Jun 2 1767 age 66. > > and bailffs of Buckingham 1785 and 1804, also a Freeman Williat at > > Grandborough 1797 > > > > I'd love to link this lot up. > > > > Bill Deverell > > > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > > > > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe, send message to: > bucks-l-request@rootsweb.com or bucks-d-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' in the body of the message > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo

Hi, There was a BRISE line resident in Thornborough, BKM from c. 1833 to c. 1842, would this be your wife's line? (Newman Williatt BRISE/Susannah HOLT). Regards, Trish. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill (Freeserve)" <bill@wdeverell.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:09 PM Subject: [BKM] WILLIAT family > Has anybody out there researched the WILLIAT family in Bucks. > > The name crops up twice in my tree > 1 Numan Williat married Frances (LANE) widow of Mathew DEVERELL 4 Feb 1633 > Swanbourne > 2 Newmam Williat appears as a middle name in the BRISE family in 1800s (this > is my mother's side!!) > > A Newman Williat held Brises farm at enclosure from his grandmother Frances > Deverell according to Ken Reading > This would suggest 1 and 2 are the same family. > > The name also crops up in my wife's tree !! > Newman Williat son in law of John JACKSON (will of John 1650) > This one had children Newman (1644 Gt Horwood?) and Hugh > I have his will dated 1676 > I suspect he might also be 1 above but have no PRs to prove it > eg death of Frances after 1633 and marriage of Newman to Hester Jackson > Newman sen and jun are mentioned on the Helmsdon website as of Bittlesden. > Lipscombe gives me gravestone at Mursley > Newman Mar 7 1792 age 87 and Johanna (wife) Jun 2 1767 age 66. > and bailffs of Buckingham 1785 and 1804, also a Freeman Williat at > Grandborough 1797 > > I'd love to link this lot up. > > Bill Deverell > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > >

From my g. uncles army records (1902 - 1914) I found that he was married in 1909 and had a son born a year later in 1910. However, also on this army record is an entry which says "Wife struck off ....followed by 2 words I cannot read" and the date 9.8.12. I then was lucky enough to get his WW1 army record and this gives details of another marriage in Inverness in 1914 and also names his son born in 1910. I spent £6 on the Scotland's people website and found a marriage certificate for him giving his status as "divorced". (well worth the money!!) I thought it was very difficult for people to divorce at this time, and he certainly was not a wealthy man - just your average ag. lab. type. I have been in touch with the Divorce Absolute Searchline at 1st Avenue High Holborn, and they will do a search over a 10 year period for £20. Does anyone know what my chances are of there being a record of his divorce, and would I get much information for my £20? thanks Jean

Hi Matt, Thanks for that explanation. Very helpful. Cathy At 22:23 16/12/2004, you wrote: ><<I have recently received a will from the late 1700's that lists a >copyhold cottage as well as some freehold land and I just wondered if >anybody could please explain to me what copyhold means? Thankyou very >much. Kind regards, Tina Connell>> > > >Hello Tina, > >at the present day there are two ways of owning landed property - 1. >freehold and 2. through a lease or tenancy. But until 1925 there was a >third way - copyhold. > >Before I say something about copyhold, it is necessary first to explain >something else. Nowadays we think of a tenancy as just a shorter and less >formal type of lease, but technically all forms of ownership are >tenancies, and every owner of property has a landlord, even freeholders >(their landlord is the Queen, as she is the feudal lord of the whole >country). <snip> >In 1925 all copyholds were converted into freeholds. > >Matt Tompkins >Blaston, Leics

Hi, I was wondering if anybody might be skilled in reading handwriting from the late 1700's and early 1800's at all? Only I recently purchased 2 family wills and was thrilled to be able to print them out after downloading them to my computer but after having looked at the pages, aside from a couple of words I am completely unable to make out the handwriting unfortunately and would love to be able to learn more about what they say but I just can't seem to make out the script. I wonder if anyone might please be able to suggest an expert that I could possibly have look at them for me possibly via e-mail. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thankyou very much. Kind regards, Tina Connell