In my transcribing travails, I have usually found that if there is something out of the ordinary being recorded there has been a marginal note or even something written right across all the columns. I have often wondered just how an orphan's Baptism would be recorded --- and I believe that the parents' names would be entered but an indication would be noted that they are now dead (they didn't use such "nice" terms as "deceased" in those days!). No entry at all could be that the recorder (vicar, curate, off. min., or parish clerk) could only remember the child's name from the scrap of paper on which he jotted it down --- and which he has since lost! or he is fairly new to the parish and hasn't the courage to track down the parents and tell of his having already forgotten their names! Being facetious? no --- just aware of human failings! Geoff Ford Sydney NSW Transcriber 1851 Census Kea and 1851 Census Feock Cornwall Online Census Project http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/ukocp.html OPC for Kea Parish Church Geoff Ford Sydney NSW Transcriber 1851 Census Kea and 1851 Census Feock Cornwall Online Census Project http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/ukocp.html OPC for Kea Parish Church

Hello I have spent a long time looking for Richard(Dick) CROSS born about 1812 in various counties with no Success! In desperation I checked and found a Richard CROSS born in Twyford and christened May 12, 1812.Could SKS find out details of any marriages he may have had, and names of children? I have a Richard CROSS living in Fulham in 1851 whose claim to have been born in Oxfordshire in about 1830 appears to be incorrect. Any assistance greatly appreciated. Best wishes Richard CROSS, Ontario Canada

Hello List, Is there anyone researching the FORD family listed on the 1881 in West Wycombe. Only I think my missing Ann Maria PEARCE also on the same census in West wycombe, became his second wife about 1888, would like to confirm if possible. Thanks Pete.

Hello Everyone, A Happy New Year to everyone. Could some kind person who access to the records in Whaddon be able to help me with the following:- The date of burial of John BUTCHER (after 1703). John was married to Jane BUNCE. The date of burial of John BUTCHER (after 1771). John who was baptised on 1 June 1737 was married to Rebecca NEWMAN. The date of baptism in 1767 of Elizabeth BUTCHER (Nee WOOD) who died on 8 February 1795. Many Thanks Alan Australia

In message <003701c4f38b$30023030$ee252952@oneself>, gill kelly <gk011a6271@blueyonder.co.uk> writes >My mother is a little hazy about her aunts and uncles, I wonder if anyone has an >opportunity to look at the records for me.... >I have Margaret Annie Perkins b.1900 in Amersham, the daughter of Alfred PERKINS >and Mary TACK, I know she had an older sister who might have been Mary, and >other siblings, the youngest one of whom is still alive I understand. One was >called Lily and my Ma remembers an Auntie Tine... Probably the best bet is first checking the 1901 census (you can pick up all the Perkins in Amersham free from the index) then start looking at FreeBMD (again, free access to index) to find other births later, if the total in 1901 is small. The births are likely to come up every two years. This is a lot easier than trying to search the parish registers - and given that Amersham was a hotbed of dissenters, more likely to be profitable. >which I think was a nickname >on account of her diminutive stature! Typical - could be anything from Jane to Sophonisba. > I am really looking for some births and >marriages for any of them. Once you have the likely births sorted out, then fast forward about twenty years and check the marriage indexes. By then, the surname of spouse is included in the index, so it is simple to find out his .her first name. And the births also show maiden name of mother from 1912 on, and just using the indexes, you can build up quite a neat skeleton tree. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi Gill, Here is the family from 1901 Census They are boarding in Union Street, Amersham, Bucks with Name, Relationship to Head, Status, Age, Occupation, Birthplace Mary A. Ramage, Head, Wid, 64, Laundress own account at home, Bucks Amersham Arthur do, Grandson, , 1?, , Bucks Amersham Alfred C. Perkins, Boarder, M, 26, Coachman at an Hotel, Steeple Claydon Mary Perkins, Boarders Wife, M, 27, , Surrey, Croydon Mary A. Perkins, do Daur, , 2, , Beds. Dunstable Margaret A do, do do, , 5months, , Bucks Amersham This is the entire household Reference RG13 1335 folio 6 pages 3 and 4 Let me know if you are happy to receive the census images as attachments off list. Cheers, Cathy At 09:00 6/01/2005, gill kelly wrote: >My mother is a little hazy about her aunts and uncles, I wonder if anyone >has an opportunity to look at the records for me.... >I have Margaret Annie Perkins b.1900 in Amersham, the daughter of Alfred >PERKINS and Mary TACK, I know she had an older sister who might have been >Mary, and other siblings, the youngest one of whom is still alive I >understand. One was called Lily and my Ma remembers an Auntie Tine... >which I think was a nickname on account of her diminutive stature! I am >really looking for some births and marriages for any of them. My >grandmother married Frederick YATES and lived at Farnham Common when I was >young.... can anyone help please? Thanks in advance. >Gill Kelly >Can look up Scottish records if not too tricky (very inexperienced!) if >anyone wants them. > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >Your signature should be no more than 3 lines long and should not include >surname interests which are outside the scope of this List.

My mother is a little hazy about her aunts and uncles, I wonder if anyone has an opportunity to look at the records for me.... I have Margaret Annie Perkins b.1900 in Amersham, the daughter of Alfred PERKINS and Mary TACK, I know she had an older sister who might have been Mary, and other siblings, the youngest one of whom is still alive I understand. One was called Lily and my Ma remembers an Auntie Tine... which I think was a nickname on account of her diminutive stature! I am really looking for some births and marriages for any of them. My grandmother married Frederick YATES and lived at Farnham Common when I was young.... can anyone help please? Thanks in advance. Gill Kelly Can look up Scottish records if not too tricky (very inexperienced!) if anyone wants them.

In message <000501c4f348$a4aea3c0$92ae2e50@expletive>, Reg Oakley <regoak@tiscali.co.uk> writes >Thanks John for your response to my query. >I am in a situation where the oldest bit of definitive info I have of my >ancesstry is the marriage at Upper Winchendon Sept 1761 of William Oakley >and Elizabeth Hester. >The only William Oakley I could find in baptismal records is the one at >Oakley in 1734 quoted. There are a fair number of earlier Oakleys (the spelling is immaterial, of course), stretching back over the centuries, so I doubt that a foundling is involved. Have you checked Cuddington, for example? >Your suggestion of a "foundling" ie abandoned child does seem >feasible. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

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<<The quoted one fits the bill as it is primarily the correct period, and interestingly the spelling (though it could be sheer co incidence) In the Oakley PR his name is Oakely, In the Upper Winch PR for the banns his name is also Oakely, but the marriage is recorded as Oakley. Do you know if the village of Oakley was ever spelt as Oakely, especially in the 1734 period?>> Hello Reg, I only have data for pre-1607 spellings of the name (in the 16C it was most commonly spelled Okeley, but Ockley, Ocley, Okley, Ocle were also found, and spellings in A-, such as Akeley, Ackeley, Acle were common until about 1500). However I'd certainly expect the name to appear in 18C records in a variety of spellings, including both Oakely and Oakley. At that time the precise spelling of a name wasn't regarded as significant, providing it produced the right sound. Regards, Matt Tompkins

Thanks John for your response to my query. I am in a situation where the oldest bit of definitive info I have of my ancesstry is the marriage at Upper Winchendon Sept 1761 of William Oakley and Elizabeth Hester. The only William Oakley I could find in baptismal records is the one at Oakley in 1734 quoted. I searched extensiveley Bucks and Oxford PRs to no avail.Your suggestion of a "foundling" ie abandoned child does seem feasible. The quoted one fits the bill as it is primarily the correct period, and interestingly the spelling (though it could be sheer co incidence) In the Oakley PR his name is Oakely, In the Upper Winch PR for the banns his name is also Oakely, but the marriage is recorded as Oakley. Do you know if the village of Oakley was ever spelt as Oakely, especially in the 1734 period? I am ccing this to the list. Thanks again Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Margaret Moore" <moorejo@reach.net> To: "Reg Oakley" <regoak@tiscali.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] An end to my brick wall! or a reason. > Reg: > >>The Christening is in the register as "William Oakely The 23rd of >>February". Adjacent records state details of parents etc in the usual >>manner, but not in the case of William Oakely. Does anyone have any >>explanations why > > Adult baptism? Foundling (especially as the surname is the same as the > place)? > > Regards, > John Moore >

Hi Reg, How frustrating. Are there other Oakeley records in the Register? They may provide a clue to family. However it sounds as if the recorder couldn't remember and intended to check and add later and never did. Are the BTs as well as Parish Register? Sometimes an entry is more complete in one than the other. Another possibility is that this isn't the record you're looking for but an adult of that name returning to the CofE. Cheers, Cathy At 04:01 5/01/2005, you wrote: >Dear Listers, >I have rejoined the list after a break and would appreciate any clues >comments etc on what has been a brick wall for some time. I have traced my >Oakley lineage back to possibly a christening recorded at Oakley in 1734. >The Christening is in the register as "William Oakely The 23rd of >February". Adjacent records state details of parents etc in the usual >manner, but not in the case of William Oakely. Does anyone have any >explanations why this might have been the case? >Regards > Reg Oakley >"When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the >Human Race." >H.G. Wells.

Is there a register of the people that are buried in a cemetery? Are the parish records the only source for this? My ggg-grandfather George CROSS and his father George both lived and died in Winslow (1844 and 1863 respectively)so I'm pretty sure they are buried there. The Bucks FHS doesn't have Parish Records for Winslow for those years. Can anyone suggest something else? Thanks, Edgar Cross ===== Edgar H Cross View My Genealogy Research and Guide at http://www.ehcross.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page � Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com

It may have been an adult baptism. Ruth

Hi Reg, Another thought for you. What if the child's mother and father had died. I realise a little ambiguous, but who would then be put on the christening register, was it just parents and if there were none but it was in the custody of someone else, would they be put on there or left blank? Say perhaps the child was taken in by the mother's sister who was married, hence no Oakley name and as she wasn't the legal parent, her name could not go on the document? Lateral thinking really coming in to play here!!! Emma

Reg, In my experience, when I have run across a baptism that does not give parents' names, it is usually an indication of an adult baptism. I have in my own research seen children as old as 16 (and as old as their early 20s outside of my personal surname interests) baptised with the parents' names (and the child's age) given, so my guess is that William was probably over 18 at the time of his baptism. It would be nice if the registers would give us ages, parents' names, or even stated "an adult" but of course, we aren't always that lucky. Another possibility is that, if you are looking at BTs, the bishop/transcriber may have omitted details, such as the parents' names, that he considered extraneous - perhaps to save time - and the original PRs may hold more information. I've seen happen regularly this in at least one Hertfordshire parish, but it sounds as though you're already working from the PRs in this case, so this is probably not relevant. I hope this is somehow helpful - if not terribly encouraging. :-) Best Wishes, -- Toni Skidmore Tingewick list Co-Admin Chicago, USA Researching: CLIFFORD/CLIFTON, DEANE, HOLLAND, NEAL(E), and NOQUET in Bucks -------------- Original message -------------- > Dear Listers, > I have rejoined the list after a break and would appreciate any clues comments > etc on what has been a brick wall for some time. I have traced my Oakley lineage > back to possibly a christening recorded at Oakley in 1734. The Christening is in > the register as "William Oakely The 23rd of February". Adjacent records state > details of parents etc in the usual manner, but not in the case of William > Oakely. Does anyone have any explanations why this might have been the case? > Regards > Reg Oakley > "When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the Human > Race." > H.G. Wells.

Sorry I can't help with an explanation of the christening register, but just thought I'd note that I am also descended from the Oakley's. My ancestor, William Oakley, was born before 1826, was married to Ellen, was the Governor of the Somerset Gaol from 1850 to 1880, and had 13 children. His first child was born in Essex (so he may have married there) but later children were born in Somerset. Does he appear in your tree? (This is one of the few of my lines that does not hail from Bucks!) Amanda Gostelow -----Original Message----- Hi Reg, Is it at all possible that the parents were not of that parish? I have not come across this before so this is pure supersition. Regards Reg Oakley <regoak@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: Dear Listers, I have rejoined the list after a break and would appreciate any clues comments etc on what has been a brick wall for some time. I have traced my Oakley lineage back to possibly a christening recorded at Oakley in 1734. The Christening is in the register as "William Oakely The 23rd of February". Adjacent records state details of parents etc in the usual manner, but not in the case of William Oakely. Does anyone have any explanations why this might have been the case? Regards Reg Oakley "When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the Human Race." H.G. Wells.

Hi Reg, Is it at all possible that the parents were not of that parish? I have not come across this before so this is pure supersition. Regards Reg Oakley <regoak@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: Dear Listers, I have rejoined the list after a break and would appreciate any clues comments etc on what has been a brick wall for some time. I have traced my Oakley lineage back to possibly a christening recorded at Oakley in 1734. The Christening is in the register as "William Oakely The 23rd of February". Adjacent records state details of parents etc in the usual manner, but not in the case of William Oakely. Does anyone have any explanations why this might have been the case? Regards Reg Oakley "When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the Human Race." H.G. Wells. ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/

Dear Listers, I have rejoined the list after a break and would appreciate any clues comments etc on what has been a brick wall for some time. I have traced my Oakley lineage back to possibly a christening recorded at Oakley in 1734. The Christening is in the register as "William Oakely The 23rd of February". Adjacent records state details of parents etc in the usual manner, but not in the case of William Oakely. Does anyone have any explanations why this might have been the case? Regards Reg Oakley "When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the Human Race." H.G. Wells.

Hi all, Does anyone have access to the Burnham Parish Registers? If so, could some kind person have a look for the birth of William Howlett abt 1834ish to a Henry Howlett. Many thanks, Emma