Hello List, If anyone is interested:- Pete of London say's. Saturday 22/01/05 9.45am to 4.15 pm at the Queen Mary College Bancroft Road, Mile End. The East London Family History Society will be hosting a History Fair. There will be a number of stalls run by local History groups including the East London History Society, Tower Hamlets Cemetery Park, and Wapping History Group. Over 60 stalls will be offering a variety of material from Family History books, Local History books and Post cards of the area. Nearest tube Stepney turn left out of the station, and its a short walk down on your left. Tania.

A HUGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEE thanks to John Gurney and to Paul Irving for your help. . I'm not quite there yet as my child is missing from home, but that may turn out to be a good thing if we can find him living with grand parents etc. Thanks again Chris

The census says - West End, Steeple Claydon Thomas STEVENS 37 Ag Lab Susan wife 40 Lacemaker b Winslow Henry PARADINE son 17 Ag Lab Mary Ann do dau 15 Lacemaker George do son 13 Scholar Charles STEVENS son 9 do Thomas do son 6 do William do son 3 John do son 1m All born Steeple Claydon except Susan Various firms sell the 1841 census on CD, but only the images as far as I know - no index. Stepping Stones, S&N (Britsih Data Archive), perhaps more. I think there's a list somewhere on genuki, or a search engine should throw up a selection. If you find any GILMANs in Steeple Claydon around 1800 let me know. Paul CJ wrote: > Hi to you all .. I'm back > >My research concerns the STEVENS family living in Steeple Claydon around the >early 1800's. I was hoping that SKS could have a look for me on a 1851 >census and also if any one knows if you can order the 1841 census from >anywhere? > >This is the family I am looking for in 1851. > >Thomas STEVENS 36, born Steeple C. >Susan (Susanna) Wife 43 (birth could be Dover, or Steeple C, not sure which) >Thomas Son 6 Steeple C. >William Son 2 Steeple C. > >Any one researching the Stevens family from SC please do contact > >Yours > >Chris Harper > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: >http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/05

I have set up a new webpage for Shalstone genealogy. It is at www.rootsweb.com/~engcshal/ Among other things, it has a list of gravestones in the parish churchyard. There is also a place to list surname interests. If anyone has any material they would like to see added, please let me know. Heather Olsen

Hi Everyone, I'm still looking for a start in Steeple Claydon. I have George Grace Schoolmaster who fathered George Grace Master Bootmaker in about 1822. Can't find any details on this family. Must be a shool or something like thatr in this area that George Grace Snr. taught at? Any ideas??? Thanks Jayne Grace In a very cold and snowy Michigan!!!

Hi to you all .. I'm back My research concerns the STEVENS family living in Steeple Claydon around the early 1800's. I was hoping that SKS could have a look for me on a 1851 census and also if any one knows if you can order the 1841 census from anywhere? This is the family I am looking for in 1851. Thomas STEVENS 36, born Steeple C. Susan (Susanna) Wife 43 (birth could be Dover, or Steeple C, not sure which) Thomas Son 6 Steeple C. William Son 2 Steeple C. Any one researching the Stevens family from SC please do contact Yours Chris Harper

After a long search I finally located Thomas TILBURY, age 15, with his parents in the 1841 census in Fingest (Ditchfield). He was living with Charles TILBURY (looks like TILBEY in the census) and Harriet both listed as 40. Also there were William 20, James 13, Frederick 10, Eliza 7, Daniel or David 4, and Charles 1. I wonder if anyone has access to Fingest parish records and could find reference to this family. Thanks to Jim Bradley and Caroline Tilbury who so kindly helped eliminate possibilities and made suggestions which finally led to this elusive family. Valerie Ward Kelowna BC

Posting just because I have them. No Church named. No condition given.Need checking at source Married at Acton MDX 27 Apr 1788 Richard BURNHAM of Thame OXF & Ann WINGROVE of High Wickham BKM _________________________________________________________________ Married at Harefield MDX 26 Dec 1771 Thomas ALDEN, of Upton BKM & Hannah BRAY Married at Cowley MDX 4 Sep 1706 William ALLEN, Papermaker of Harefield & Eliazbeth PRICE, of Wiccomb,BKM Best wishes, John -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 16/01/05

Eve, thank you for your reply on this. I have already looked into the railway company angle. The company was originally the Yorkshire Railway Company, which soon became the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway Company. Their records are at the National Archive, Kew, along with most railway companies. I have searched the index online and there is very little of that age for the company unfortunately. There is a list for railway genealogists: http://www.british-genealogy.com/mailman/listinfo/gen-railwaymen and a gentleman called Geoffrey Oxley, who is Research Officer, Railway and Canal Historical Society (they have a good website), gave me a lot of help. He is extremely knowledgable. Your comments about William Wraith's education are very interesting and his ancestors were mainly railway clerks down to my father (I even did a short temp stint in the job!). At least some of them were reputed to be smart (genes worn thin now though). I am struggling to confirm his birth date as he gave his age as 35 in the 1841 census (i.e. born between 8 June 1801 and 7 June 1806 I think), and 47 in the 1851 census (i.e. born between 1 April 1803 and 30 March 1804 I think) and the only William Wraith in the Hollingbourne PR's was baptised 20 December 1801. I don't think he would have got his age wrong. With respect to the Dimmock line, the earliest I have come from Wootton near Bedford, Joseph born around 1737 from his MI. He was a yeoman farmer who owned his land so I assume the family had been there for some time. I know there were and are a lot of Dimmocks in Bucks (I live in Berkhamsted) but I haven't found a link yet. Any other suggestions gratefully received. Many thanks David Wraith -----Original Message----- From: Eve McLaughlin [mailto:eve@varneys.demon.co.uk] Sent: 13 December 2004 22:27 To: Wraith, David Cc: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Railwaymen >William gave his occupation as servant, which could mean >many things. Possibly in this case 'railway servant' which included clerks etc. >However they moved to Wakefield, Yorks around 1840 and by 1841 his occupation >was Railway Inspector. By 1851 he was the station master in Wakefield. >In your previous response you made reference to the difficulty in getting a job >as a station employee. I have often wondered how a country boy from Kent, >working far from home, managed to get what was probably a very good job at the >other end of the country. He must have had a reasonable education, since clerks were expected to write a very neat hand, deal with maths etc. And to become a station master he must have been a high flyer. It will certainly be worth looking for him in the records of the railway company. Finding out which railway co is the first necessity - maybe (London and) North Eastern, or maybe one of the cross Pennine lines. Writing to the Railway Museum in York may get the necessary information in this case (saying he was stationmaster at Wakerfield). >I don't recall having seen you mention your railway ancestors before in your >many postings so was interested to see the comment. My Dimmock line were yeoman >farmers in Bedfordshire around Wootton. William Dimmock, well known Bucks name. > son of a yeoman farmer >was born 1805, became a tenant farmer (coincidentally near Sherington I think) >as his inheritance wasn't very big. His son Barnard, b 1831, worked on the farm >at first, then moved to Newport Pagnell where he became a corn merchant. His >father William retired and lived with him. The business presumably failed as >both father and son then went to work on the railway, the old boy as a porter >and the son as a labourer at Wolverton loco works. The family then moved to >Derby where many of them worked in the loco and carriage & wagon works. The >story seems to be typical of the move from working on the land to industrial >towns. There are some recoprds of the Wolverton Works in the Milton Keyenes Museum (open spring-autumn - and you need a special appointment to see the railway staff books, because someone h as to sit with you.) -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This electronic message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Hi listers, I have an Edward Saunders abt 1865, not sure where he is from as originally had him down at Sanders. I know he married Clara Cain. Since then found two children :- Charles abt 1894 Carrie abt1899. So would be grateful if anybody could tell me what its says in the 1891 Census, or if anybody is doing this line of Saunders, who we think are from Aylesbury. Many thanks to any replies. Tania.

Hello Len, Thanks for looking for me, but after putting in the terriers the Fox has bolted and gone orf towards some other Dens, do you think you could pick up the cent if I give you some new leads. Tally Ho ! Stewart. ----- Original Message ----- From: <LenDenham@aol.com> To: <bucksfhs@yahoogroups.com>; <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [bucksfhs] Fox Hunting ! > > Hello Stewart > > Not good news, I fear. Your Fox must have gone to ground elsewhere. I could > not find him in Felix Terrace or Strachan Terrace in the 1841 Census. > > Len > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > This is the mailing list for the members of the Buckinghamshire Family History Society, a Charity registered in England and Wales. Charity registration number 290335 > To unsubscribe from the list send a blank email to bucksfhs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > To contact the list owner send an email to bucksfhs-owner@yahoogroups.com > For information about our anti virus policy please visit http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/antivirus.htm > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bucksfhs/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > bucksfhs-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > >

The fact that the baptisms occurred over several years does not necessarily mean that the family was stationary. Most travelers had a route that they moved through at different times of the year, aiming perhaps to be at one location over Easter and another at Whitsun, or perhaps to catch particular crop seasons where they might either be work or a surplus of a crop that they might be able to get cheaply or free. So if they knew that a particular parson was friendly to travelers (which many were not) they might tend to delay baptisms, regardless of when and where a child was born, until they circled back to that specific parish. And "by the roadside" would support the idea of a friendly parson - one who might stop by and baptize an infant at the parents' camp site instead of requiring that they attend a formal service in a church (which might also offend some of his regular parishioners, unfortunately). Happy hunting! Diana Robinson Now in Rochester, NY, USA -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Dixon-Smith [mailto:dixonsmithbygad@eastcoast.co.za] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 1:34 AM To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKM] LOVELLs - were they gypsies? Can anyone tell me what the phrase "by the roadside" might signify on three baptisms in my GADSDEN family? Bucks origins are indicated for the parents, James and Sarah GADSDEN (no marriage found yet) but their first three children are recording among "baptizings" in parish of St Mary's Whitechapel, Thomas 1757, John 1759 and Sarah 1760 - all with location given as "by the roadside". Other baptisms in the same pages give more understandable locations, like "in Church Lane" or "in Black Lion Yard".

Hi all, Is anybody else having trouble buying credits on the 1901 Census website? I have tried all week but it keeps coming up as cannot find server. Cheers Mark

Hi All, I was wondering if some nice person who has the 1841 census for London would do a look-up for me. I'm looking for Young William Fox his Vixen and Cubs, I believe they had their Den in either Felix Terrace which I think was renamed in 1912 and called Liverpool rd. Or, He may have been living at Strahan or Strachan Terrace where he died in 1845. Keeping my fingers crossed. Stewart Mold, SW France.

hi does anyone have any info on a martha shipperley born 1810 ish in brill cheers andy

2 Families in Biddlesdon HO107/44/6 I don't know if I can extract the image if so I'll send it off list but here is transcription all born in county page 6 left Robert FRIDAY 45 Ag Lab Hannah 40 Mary 15 Richard 14 William 13 Susanna 10 Sarah 8 Frances 4 Elizabeth 1 page 6 right James FRIDAY 70 Ag Lab Sarah 82 Richard 39 Amelia ?JESSOMS? 35 Mary FRIDAY 30 Bill -----Original Message----- From: Bill (Freeserve) [mailto:bill@wdeverell.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 15 January 2005 12:03 To: Lactodorum192242@aol.com; BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: 1841 Census lookup / Biddlesden I have the Bucks 1841 CD and will look for you Bill -----Original Message----- From: Lactodorum192242@aol.com [mailto:Lactodorum192242@aol.com] Sent: 14 January 2005 11:03 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 1841 Census lookup / Biddlesden Hi, We are looking for any FRIDAY families in the1841 Census Returns for Biddlesden. Can someone help us please ????? Regards Pat & Chris Researching : Families of Syresham, Crowfield & Whitfield, Northamptonshire, England. also Biddlesden, Buckinghamshire, England . Families of Silverstone & Whittlebury, Northamptonshire, England. Always willing to help others if possible with 1841 Census for Northamptonshire and BDM for Syresham. ______________________________

I have the Bucks 1841 CD and will look for you Bill -----Original Message----- From: Lactodorum192242@aol.com [mailto:Lactodorum192242@aol.com] Sent: 14 January 2005 11:03 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: 1841 Census lookup / Biddlesden Hi, We are looking for any FRIDAY families in the1841 Census Returns for Biddlesden. Can someone help us please ????? Regards Pat & Chris Researching : Families of Syresham, Crowfield & Whitfield, Northamptonshire, England. also Biddlesden, Buckinghamshire, England . Families of Silverstone & Whittlebury, Northamptonshire, England. Always willing to help others if possible with 1841 Census for Northamptonshire and BDM for Syresham. ______________________________

It's long been common for travellers to have a base, a place to which they return regularly. I can imagine that children born on their travels (i.e. by the roadside, which is where they usually lay up) would not be christened in the nearest church, but when they next stopped by their "home". Paul Rosemary Dixon-Smith wrote: >I can't provide an answer to the query about "Em'ee" (could it be emigree >meaning travelling people?), though LOVELL is certainly recognised as a >gypsy surname. > >Can anyone tell me what the phrase "by the roadside" might signify on three >baptisms in my GADSDEN family? Bucks origins are indicated for the parents, >James and Sarah GADSDEN (no marriage found yet) but their first three >children are recording among "baptizings" in parish of St Mary's >Whitechapel, Thomas 1757, John 1759 and Sarah 1760 - all with location given >as "by the roadside". Other baptisms in the same pages give more >understandable locations, like "in Church Lane" or "in Black Lion Yard". > >Various explanations have been offered me but none of these seem >satisfactory. Does the phrase indicate that the parents were of no fixed >abode, travellers in some way? The fact that the children were baptised over >a three to four year period in the same parish seems to suggest that the >family was stationary for that time at least. One well-known genealogist >gave the theory that "by the roadside" means the family were living on the >main street of the area at that time - but again, other baptisms in the same >group and date show "in the High Street" so why would "by the roadside" be >the term used for the Gadsdens? > >Anyone got any ideas on this? > >Many thanks, >Rosemary in Durban SA >www.genealogyworld.net > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: gill kelly <gk011a6271@blueyonder.co.uk> >To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 1:16 AM >Subject: [BKM] LOVELLs - were they gypsies? > > > > >>There is a LOVELL connection on the TACK branch of my family, and I am >> >> >wondering if they were gypsies, as I understand that this was a common gypsy >surname. I looked them up on the census, which did not give me any >particular clue. However, several of them had (Em'ee), and I wondered what >that might stand for..... does anyone know? and can anyone tell me how I can >determine whether they have gypsy origins or not? > > >>Mary LOVELL was born in Wing and married Henry TACK >> >> >>Many thanks in advance. >>Gill >> >> >>==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >>Advertising for financial gain is not permitted on this List, although >> >> >subscribers may include a link to their website in their signature. > > >> >> > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >Questions about the list administration? Contact the listowners: >Dave Carlsen - davidcarlsen@charter.net; Judith Young - Arkleside@btinternet.com > > > >

I would be interested to learn about this as well. Rosemary knows I have an interest in the GADSDEN family but I have seen this phrase in connection with another name. I think this was in South London (Southwark?) at about the same time as Rosemary's GADSDEN baptisms. Peter Wood Flitwick, Bedfordshire

Hello, While checking the 1901 Census for my ` FRIDAY ` ancestors, I`ve come across a family that I`m not sure if we are related to or not. They seem to be the odd ones out. We are wondering if anyone has the BDMs for Eversham ?? Would please take a minute to check and confirm date of birth and parentage please of : John Constantine FRIDAY born c1872. He marries Bertha Elizabeth FARMER in 1896 possibly in Brackley, Northamptonshire. In 1901 they are living at ` The Hill `, Syresham with 3 young daughters. Regards Pat & Chris Researching : Families of Syresham, Crowfield & Whitfield, Northamptonshire, England. also Biddlesden, Buckinghamshire, England . Families of Silverstone & Whittlebury, Northamptonshire, England. Always willing to help others if possible with 1841 Census for Northamptonshire and BDM for Syresham.