Hi Jan, I am related to the Cadd family via the Stuchbury family albeit very distant, there was a lady that I was in contact with a long time ago that seemed to have the Cadds from Hilleseden pretty well sorted, I remember her mentioning a relationship to Wyatt Earp again via the Stuchbury family, If I can find her name and address I will pass it on to you. Regards, Stewart Mold, SW France. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Potoroo" <potoroo@dcsi.net.au> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:43 AM Subject: [BKM] New to list - CADD, YATES > > Hi All > > I am new to this list and am researching > > CADD - Hillesden > YATES - Hillesden > > Anyone else on this list researching these names? > > Jan > Australia > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 02/03/2005 > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >

Hello, I am new to the list and am researching PRITCHARD and THOMAS from Wycombe. Any other lister researching these names? Jan Shaw, Melbourne, Australia.

>I am new to this list and am researching > >CADD - Hillesden >YATES - Hillesden > >Anyone else on this list researching these names? Well there are at least three people in Australia researching Cadd in that are\ (Preston Bissett as well as Hillesden. How do yours fit in? -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

I too am researching YATES in Bucks.... We should talk! Gill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Potoroo" <potoroo@dcsi.net.au> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:43 AM Subject: [BKM] New to list - CADD, YATES > > Hi All > > I am new to this list and am researching > > CADD - Hillesden > YATES - Hillesden > > Anyone else on this list researching these names? > > Jan > Australia > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 02/03/2005 > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > >

Hi All I am new to this list and am researching CADD - Hillesden YATES - Hillesden Anyone else on this list researching these names? Jan Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 02/03/2005

----- Original Message ----- From: MacCulloch, Alexandra To: MacCulloch, Alexandra Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 8:40 AM Subject: Lunchtime talks at Buckinghamshire County Museum I apologise for sending this out a little later than usual WEDNESDAY LUNCHTIME GALLERY TALKS AT BUCKINGHAMSHIRE COUNTY MUSEUM All talks 12.30-13.00 9 February The Civil War in the Bucks Archives 16 February Red Kites: a talk by the Red Kites in the Chilterns Officer 23 February A look at the work of Eileen Hogan, artist in residence 2 March Bringing a Vintage Car back to Aylesbury 9 March A Life in the Day of a Lacemaker 16 March The Natural History of Easter For further details of museum events and exhibitions visit www.buckscc.gov.uk/museum Buckinghamshire County Museum, Church Street, Aylesbury, HP20 2QP, 01296 331 441 Miss Alexandra MacCulloch Keeper of Art, Clothing and Textiles Buckinghamshire County Museum

At 4:08 PM +0000 4/2/05, Eve McLaughlin wrote: > >>My great-grandmother, Jane Garner (born 1837 in Water Eaton), was >>described (described herself?) as a lace maker in the 1881 census of >>Water Eaton. Does that mean she was pretty good at it - or, maybe she >>was just a stubborn old lady? >It means that she was doing the only work she knew how or conveniently >could - the pay was dismal by then, and some dealers got away with >exchanging yards of beautifully made lace for a hunk of tired cheese. > Many thanks for the reply. I hope it was a bit more than that, although I think I know (from dimly remembered conversations between my grandparents and various great aunts/uncles) that the family was considered impoverished, even for the standards of the time. My great grandfather, Francis King, was an only child. His mother, Frances, appears to have died (or run off) when he was small (can't find her burial) and his father, William, never re-married (could be because she was still alive, somewhere?). The two of them lived together (nobody else enumerated in the family in 1851) in Water Eaton. My grandfather, Frank, took off for London (NW5) around 1900 when he found a job there with the railway. Regards, Mike King. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Michael King 255 McClellan Road, Ottawa ON K2H 8N7, Canada ( Phone (613) 828-3781 2 Fax (613) 728-1933 + Email miking@sympatico.ca The box said, Win2K or better required....so I bought a Mac

Hi Chris The search engine for the 1851 census CD is great - you don't even need as much info as surname and birthplace. Using the Analysis tab rather than the Simple Search tab you can search on a single field, and each field is pretty flexible eg could search for all the PAR* surname people, or all the Marys aged between 16-18 in Aylesbury, or all the Johns whose occupation includes lab or whatever you want. I'm sure you will be happy with your purchase, it's excellent value for money. There is no Susanna HOLT born Kent in the county. However there are several other Susannas born Kent, and a HOLT born in Kent although not living in Steeple Claydon, and there is someone born in Kent in Steeple Claydon although not a HOLT. So as far as your Kent connection goes, there isn't anything that springs out as immediately applicable from the info you've given. There are plenty of STEVENS, PARADINEs, and HAZELs in the parishes you mentioned, but I'll leave the fun of figuring it all out to you once your CD arrives! Regards Alex in Auckland NZ --- Chris and Odette <chrisandodette@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > Hi again > I am about to order the 1851 census cd as I think I > am going to need it if I > am to map my families properly, however. > > Before it gets here may I ask a favor please? Is it > possible to search this > CD for a surname and birth place, without anything > else? > I understand that might give thousands of hits given > certain information, > but mine may not ever show one. > > I would like to know if there are any HOLT's from > Kent, specifically Dover, > living in and around Steeple Claydon. > Daniel and Mary would be brilliant, but anything > that shows may help me go > further. I don't know Kent at all so I can't give > you small villages around > Dover as an alternative. All I know is that Susanna > Holt came from Dover, > born 1810. > > Many thanks for any help. > > Once I get my 51 CD I will be looking at trying as > best I can to map > families in Steeple Claydon ( STEVENS / PARADINE) > and in Hillesden and > Preston Bissett (HAZEL). Using ancestry.com I'll > go through every census > trying to work out who ended up with who etc etc. > Not sure what I will do > with it all once I have it, but suggestions are > welcome.... > > All the best > > Chris Harper > Blackpool, Lancs Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com

May I just say a HUGE thanks to everyone that replied to my questions on Lace makers and also all those that helped me with my HOLT family in Steeple Claydon. I think a few people learned quite a lot from what has been said and a very special thanks to Diane Sutton for the wonderful web sites... spent half the day reading through it all.. amazing. I will try and get back to you all individually, but apologies if it takes some time, I never expected quite so many. Thanks again Chris

>My great-grandmother, Jane Garner (born 1837 in Water Eaton), was >described (described herself?) as a lace maker in the 1881 census of >Water Eaton. Does that mean she was pretty good at it - or, maybe she >was just a stubborn old lady? It means that she was doing the only work she knew how or conveniently could - the pay was dismal by then, and some dealers got away with exchanging yards of beautifully made lace for a hunk of tired cheese. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

At 12:24 AM +0000 4/2/05, Eve McLaughlin wrote: >There were always a few old ladies who made lace after the rest had >given up, and they were encouraged by the gentry, since there was a >cachet in owning hand made lace. The craft is still carried on by a few, >not commercially, but as a middle class hobby, and the lace groups >demonstrate their skills at craft fairs. It is very impressive and some >beautiful work is made. (It does sell, at these fairs, for large prices) My great-grandmother, Jane Garner (born 1837 in Water Eaton), was described (described herself?) as a lace maker in the 1881 census of Water Eaton. Does that mean she was pretty good at it - or, maybe she was just a stubborn old lady? Regards, Mike King. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Michael King 255 McClellan Road, Ottawa ON K2H 8N7, Canada ( Phone (613) 828-3781 2 Fax (613) 728-1933 + Email miking@sympatico.ca The box said, Win2K or better required....so I bought a Mac

Hi Listers, Could anyone shed some light on the whereabouts of young Willy DOWSELL? Northampton Mercury Shocking Murder & Suicide 8th December 1849 Fanny Powell had lived at the Talbot for 8 - 9 years, as servant to Mrs Heady. William Dowsell was in receipt of a comfortable salary. He was about 33 years old, and had been married about 18 months. He had resigned from his job about 1 month before on the grounds of health. He had been employed by John Vernon for about 10 years. Fanny had a child, which she maintained was Dowsell's. While she was still lying-in, Dowsell went to see her, and was found standing over her with a poker, while twisting her hair with his other hand, trying to force her to deny the child was his. The child was later legally affiliated to him. The pair married after some months had elapsed. On the day of the murder, Mrs Heady's little girl, who called on Mrs Dowsell before attending her school, which was opposite the Dowsell's house in Park Street, came home crying, saying the house was shut up. Mrs Heady went round to Park Street, but found the alarm was already raised. Mr Watkins the surgeon climbed in at the upstairs window. The Inquest, held on 1 Dec, had as jury: John Webb (Foreman), William Miles, Josiah Simco, Thomas White Gurney, Samuel Sims, John Wilcox, James Linnett, John Brown, Thomas Kirby, Frederick Baylys, Thomas Vernon, John Wright, and Francis Henry Hill. The enquiry started at 11 am, and finished at 6 pm. The jury viewed the bodies, which were still in the room they had been found in, and then returned to the Talbot. William Dowsell was subject to fits of jealousy, and was a man of violent temper. He had frequent doubts concerning the paternity of Fanny's child, and she had often been seen bruised or in tears. Mrs Elizabeth Heady gave evidence that Fanny had almost made up her mind to leave her husband, having shown her many bruises only a short time before. She had at one point been hit with a poker, and on another occasion had a candlestick thrown at her. In early November, William Dowsell had been seen loading two pistols at his place of work, and staff had warned Mrs Dowsell of this. Miss Catherine Fletcher, a resident of Park Street, gave evidence that she had asked Betsy Smith, servant to William Sheppard, the Dowsell's neighbour, whether Mr Dowsell was up. Betsy had heard the child crying for an hour by about 8 am. Robert Webb Watkins, who was superintending repairs to the house, which belonged to a maiden aunt of his, climbed a ladder to get in at an upstairs window. He found the child in its night clothes, and, descending the stairs, found the bodies of Mr & Mrs Dowsell. It looked as if Mrs Dowsell had been shot while stooping to unlace her boots, at close range. He proceeded to give the jury a graphic description, fully reported in the newspaper. William Sheppard took the child to Mrs Heady. It has since gone to live with a married sister of Mr Dowsell's in Buckingham. James Pinnock and others were called to give evidence of Mr Dowsell's recent changed demeanour, very moody and difficult. Frances May, wife of John May, gardener, gave evidence that Mrs Dowsell was her niece, and in her 28th year. She had seen Fanny alive early on Thursday evening, at her house, and also Mr Dowsell, when he called in to fetch them home. The child, Willy, was playing with his father, who seemed in better spirits. The jury verdict was that Fanny Dowsell was wilfully murdered by William Dowsell, and that William Dowsell committed suicide, but that there was insufficient evidence to judge his state of mind. Regards Pat & Chris Researching : Families of Syresham, Crowfield & Whitfield, Northamptonshire, England. also Biddlesden, Buckinghamshire, England . Families of Silverstone & Whittlebury, Northamptonshire, England. Always willing to help others if possible with 1841 Census for Northamptonshire and BDM for Syresham.

In message <42023D74.000025.03844@MRC>, Chris and Odette <chrisandodette @blueyonder.co.uk> writes > Hi > >I wanted to ask if any one had any info on the lace makers in the Steeple >Claydon area of Bucks around the mid 1800's. >I have about 15 families now connected to my STEVENS and HAZELL lines, and >almost every female of a working age was a lace maker. This was the staple female employment in most of Bucks for centuries, all of them working from home, in between other chores. Small boys also made lace, but went into farming as they grew older and clumsier. The standard system was using a large stuffed lace pillow, on which parchment patterns were laid and pins placed according to them. Cotton (or rarely silk) thread attached to bone bobbins was twisted round the pins in this pattern and miraculously stayed put when the pins were removed. The trade was profitable to about 1820, when some spoilsport invented a machine, at first producing coarse quality, then finer, almost indistinguishable from hand made bobbin lace and much faster, therefore cheaper, to make. In the very north of the county, lace workshops were established to combat this competition, but the hand made industry went into decline by the end of the C19. Lacemen supplied the cotton thread and collected the finished yards of lace from the women's homes. From being better paid than farm labourers in the C18, the prices and profits declined sharply after about 1830. There were always a few old ladies who made lace after the rest had given up, and they were encouraged by the gentry, since there was a cachet in owning hand made lace. The craft is still carried on by a few, not commercially, but as a middle class hobby, and the lace groups demonstrate their skills at craft fairs. It is very impressive and some beautiful work is made. (It does sell, at these fairs, for large prices) There is an excellent Shire Album (sold on our bookstall)_ on Pillow Lace Making. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi again I am about to order the 1851 census cd as I think I am going to need it if I am to map my families properly, however. Before it gets here may I ask a favor please? Is it possible to search this CD for a surname and birth place, without anything else? I understand that might give thousands of hits given certain information, but mine may not ever show one. I would like to know if there are any HOLT's from Kent, specifically Dover, living in and around Steeple Claydon. Daniel and Mary would be brilliant, but anything that shows may help me go further. I don't know Kent at all so I can't give you small villages around Dover as an alternative. All I know is that Susanna Holt came from Dover, born 1810. Many thanks for any help. Once I get my 51 CD I will be looking at trying as best I can to map families in Steeple Claydon ( STEVENS / PARADINE) and in Hillesden and Preston Bissett (HAZEL). Using ancestry.com I'll go through every census trying to work out who ended up with who etc etc. Not sure what I will do with it all once I have it, but suggestions are welcome.... All the best Chris Harper Blackpool, Lancs

Does anyone have any info about the lace makers or types of lace made in Wooburn Green area? I have Hawkins and Rayners who made the lace. Thanks. B. Harrison, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris and Odette" <chrisandodette@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: [BKM] All these lace makers.... > Hi > > I wanted to ask if any one had any info on the lace makers in the Steeple > Claydon area of Bucks around the mid 1800's. > I have about 15 families now connected to my STEVENS and HAZELL lines, and > almost every female of a working age was a lace maker. > > Any one know any more? > > Many thanks > > Chris > > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > Your signature should be no more than 3 lines long and should not include surname interests which are outside the scope of this List. > >

Hi I wanted to ask if any one had any info on the lace makers in the Steeple Claydon area of Bucks around the mid 1800's. I have about 15 families now connected to my STEVENS and HAZELL lines, and almost every female of a working age was a lace maker. Any one know any more? Many thanks Chris

Dear all, I have unsubscribed under my old email address because I was having terrible problems sending mails to here. I could type out the address by hand, and for some reason it would send it to the request email address, and I have no idea why. If the same happens here now I will have to look at other ways of getting help with my BKM people. May I try yet again take this opportunity to thank John Gurney for all the amazing help he has been giving me off list. Thanks to John I have one line of my family back a further 4 generations, with quite literally dozens of new relatives to add to my tree all told. VERY many thanks to you John, a true gentleman. All the best Chris Harper STEVENS, HAZEL / HAZELL - Steeple Claydon HAZELL - Hillesden, Preston Bissett TOMS - Hillesden TURNER - HIllesden

Hi All, I have just come into the possesion of a photo of Aubrey Sears dated 12 July 1915 he is in a soldiers uniform and wearing a slouch hat. The message reads "Dear Aunt, you will recognise this photo. I go to Depot Weymouth tomorrow, Love from your nephew, Aubrey." I would like to know if it is possible to find out what army units were in Weymouth during the First World War.Is anyone else researching Sears in Bucks., Aubrey's Father was William Owen Sears, and his mother Clara Jane Cutler. Regards Norman Scott Western Australia

I would appreciate very much knowing the date and place of the marriage of Edward East and Ann (?). It was probably at or near Soulbury, Buckingham, circa 1750 - 52. They had a son Jonathan baptized at Soulbury on 12 Aug. 1753 and another son William also baptized there on 25 May 1758. Many thanks, H. Andre East -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28-01-05

In message <008901c5088f$bab1fee0$88ec193e@s9u8q3>, Geraldine <geraldine @claitair.fsnet.co.uk> writes >Hello Bucks Listers! > >A search of all available census on Ancestry has, as usual, provided me with as >many questions as answers and I'm hoping someone may be able to help. > >I am looking at SLATTERs in Haddenham and there were a good many there in the >1800s. > >Unfortunately, I cant find any Haddenham entries for Slatter on the IGI. For >some reason they dont seem to have been transcribed. Does anyone know why? LDS has not filmed the Haddenham registers or made extracts therefrom > >Does SKS have access to Parish Registers for Haddenham? yes > >Noah Slatter born 1831 >Richard Slatter born 1835 >Thomas Slatter born 1836 >James Slatter born 1837 >William Slatter born 1838 > >all in Haddenham. I'm wondering if these were all brothers. will check tomorrow (knees have done their quota of stairs for today) Some of the Slatters lived round the corner from me. >Also I have a Shein shem >(!) slatter born 1840 Haddenham who, in 1871 was in an >institution. He is described as a patient and the staff as medical attendants. >Although I have looked at the original image, I cant find out what sort of place >this was. The address is Stone, St John, Stone. Does anyone know anything about >this place and is it still there. It was the County Mental asyylum. Rather a handsome buidling, whith large grounds and extras like central heating long before such a think was heard of in houses. It was demolished a few years ago and a housing estate build on the grounds. The old chapel used by the inmates still stands and is for sale - any offers? Case books are at Bucks Archives (closed for the usual 100 years) > >One last thing, I have an Enoch Slatter who was the Publican at the White Hart >in Haddenham. Is this place still there? Not as a pub (we used to have 13 and are now down to a mere 6.) The building is there, rather altered and barely recognisable as such. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society