>  >> >> My father, Leslie Harris, went to a technical college in >> Wolverhampton, I believe, in the late 1920s and received some kind of >> diploma or certificate for industrial chemistry.  There were limited establishments where specialised scientific/engineering training at an academic level could be given then. Mostly, young men were sent on 'sandwich' courses, part shop floor experience, part academic work. The Techs have mostly been upgraded in the last few years to University status, so it is quite feasible that Wolverhampton Tech is still around as the University of South Staffordshire, or whatever. Some of these are referred to as 'Mickey Mouse' Universities/ However, if he was at Harefield, then maybe he attended Brunel Tech, which is now Brunel University and really well thought of as a provider of scientific education over a long period. If you Google for Brunel, you may find which section to contact. If this doesn;t work, come back and I will contact a former senior lecturer at Brunel. >  Subsequently he went to work for Bergers >> Paints in Hackney well known, and fairly picky about the staff they employed, so he was doing well. >> In passing, my grandfather Eli Harris came from Coleshill near >> Amersham and migrated to London in the late 1800s.   Don’t see many >> south Bucks ancestors mentioned except for Richard Ayres’ relatives >> but I keep hoping for a good lead on the Harris front. A lot of Bucks men found it a good idea to migrate to London - if they wanted to do luxurious things like eating. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

In message <0d386025d0004fd19b414b6892aaa930.hlolsen@poetworld.net>, Heather Olsen <hlolsen@poetworld.net> writes >Another researcher found a list of Quaker burials for Buckinghamshire in the >Society of Genealogists and sent me the following entry: >William Strainge, died 10 June 1676, of "Turson" Bucks [Leighton >Meeting], buried 12 June 1676 in his own orchard. > >First, am I correct in thinking "Turson" an alternate or abreviated form of >Turweston? If not, where is Turson? It is, occasionally - the only problem is that Turweston is in the NW of the county, quite close to Buckingham, whereas Leighton is Leighton Buzzard in Bedfordshire, just over the border and about half way down the eastern side of the county. Much of its catchment area would be in Buckinghamshire adjacent. It is feasible that a man from the Leighton area might be temporarily in Turweston, (Buckingham Meeting area) though not long enough to go to the hassle of getting his recommendation to the new Meeting and acceptance by it. However, if it was 'his own orchard' in which he was buried, this suggests a degree of permanency. Anmd I would definitely associate the Stranges with that area of Bucks, not the central part.Dilemma. I can't think of another place which might be abbreviated to 'Turson' . The possibility is that the 'Leighton' note is a catchall. The Luton and Leighton Meeting took over many of the records of the 'Upperside' of Bucks meeting in 1857, when membership as a whole had declined and as the Buckingham membership went down in the 1800s to one family, the same may have happened to their records. The 'Leighton Meeting' would therefore be a general term, meaning they were the custodians after 1857, rather than having any connection with Wm Strainge in 1676. > >Second, Are there other survining records for this Leighton meeting I think searching the Buckingham meeting records would be more profitable. The originals are deposited at TNA (can be seen on film at FRC as well) and there are filmed copies at the Centre for Bucks Studies. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

>Anyone out there know how I can get hold of a copy of the above >publication,which I believe centres on Woughton on the Green. Any advice will be >very much appreciated. They are a bit like hen's teeth, published by the Peop;e's Press of Milton Keynes when they were operating 20 years back; but as it happens, I have a duplicate copy which you can have for what it cost me 3.50 plus post 45p - there is a lot of useful personal stuff. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Good Morning List, Please respond to Carol (carol@crystalclear.it) or the list with your ideas. Regards, Dave Carlsen davidcarlsen@charter.net P.O. Box 446, Harlem, GA 30814-0446 USA http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html Begin forwarded message: > Can anyone help?  > >   > > My father, Leslie Harris, went to a technical college in > Wolverhampton, I believe, in the late 1920s and received some kind of > diploma or certificate for industrial chemistry.  At least I think he > did as his first job was for Bells Asbestos in Harefield when he > married my mother in 1930.  Subsequently he went to work for Bergers > Paints in Hackney in 1933 as an industrial/analytical chemist.  > >   > > Unfortunately, as is so often the case, I never asked him about his > life in the late 1920s and I wonder if there is some way I can check > on what kind of diploma or certificate he received and whether, in > fact, I’m correct in surmising it was at a college in Wolverhampton.  > I know wherever he went was on a motorbike from Harlesden in London at > the time.  > >   > > Eve – as the fount of so much wisdom – let alone others of you – if > you can give me some suggestions for following up this faint trail I > should be very much obliged. > >   > > In passing, my grandfather Eli Harris came from Coleshill near > Amersham and migrated to London in the late 1800s.   Don’t see many > south Bucks ancestors mentioned except for Richard Ayres’ relatives > but I keep hoping for a good lead on the Harris front. > >   > >   > > Regards, > > CAROL LEE

Have you found him in the 1881 census at www.familysearch.org ? Pete4jaz@aol.com wrote: >Hello List, > New interest William George Ford from High Wycombe > married into my West Wycombe Pearce line, at the Register Office in 1889. > Thanks Pete. > > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: >http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/05

Hello folks, Anyone out there know how I can get hold of a copy of the above publication,which I believe centres on Woughton on the Green. Any advice will be very much appreciated. Cheers John Biggs

Another researcher found a list of Quaker burials for Buckinghamshire in the Society of Genealogists and sent me the following entry: William Strainge, died 10 June 1676, of "Turson" Bucks [Leighton Meeting], buried 12 June 1676 in his own orchard. First, am I correct in thinking "Turson" an alternate or abreviated form of Turweston? If not, where is Turson? Second, Are there other survining records for this Leighton meeting that might tell me more about this William and any other family members who were also Quakers? My experience with Quakers in other places has been that they kept excellent records, so I am hoping to find the same is the case here. Thanks, Heather

Hello List, New interest William George Ford from High Wycombe married into my West Wycombe Pearce line, at the Register Office in 1889. Thanks Pete.

<<As you seem very knowledgeable historically, I wonder if you know anything about links of Northants and Oxfordshire PARGITERs (PARGETERs) with Bucks. I'll have to go back to an old file to lay fingers on the specific refs I have from A2A and so forth.. But I seem to remember a land deal between Sir William PARGITER of Greatworth and the wealthy family in Whaddon (was it LOWNDES then?) - date about 1780 I think. And Rev Robert PARGETER at Buckingham came, I believe, from Tadmarton?>> Well, I like to think I'm a historian, Celia, and I'm immensely flattered to be called knowledgeable, but I could only claim to be very knowledgeable about one small place - Great Horwood - and then only for the period before 1600 (better a big fish in a small pond ...). So I'm afraid I don't know anything about the Pargiters - except that there weren't any in Great Horwood before 1600! Eve would be more likely than I to know something about the people you mention. However I have had a quick look through a few county-wide lists of names and Pargiter seems to be a name which was nearly completely unknown in Buckinghamshire. In fact I found only one reference to it - the will of Robert Pargiter of Buckingham, which was proved in the PCC in 1647 (the parson you mention, perhaps?) Sorry I couldn't be more help, Matt

In message <BAY102-F8A9E20B228A722EE154EF9F6E0@phx.gbl>, Sally Cadby <sally51197@hotmail.com> writes >Hello listers, > >this is my first posting having only just discovered a Bucks ancestor. > >I have been researching my KING family in Berkshire, I have a Charles KING b >1820 Besselsleigh BRK son of George KING and Charlotte ?. Charles married >1840 in Marcham Abingdon BRK and I have the marriage certificate. Charles >was baptised in Besselsleigh BRK as were his elder brothers, George 1815 and >Joseph 1817. His father is stated as being ' George KING Labourer' > >>From entries in the 1841 1841 does not state birthplaces, so I presume you mean 'not born in County' >and 1851 census it appears that George KING at least >was born in Wotton Underwood BKS. There are loads of Kings in Bucks, and they spread out in all directions. I think the Wootton ones could be an offshoot of the Claydon group who are an offshoot of the Whaddon Kings. > -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hello listers, this is my first posting having only just discovered a Bucks ancestor. I have been researching my KING family in Berkshire, I have a Charles KING b 1820 Besselsleigh BRK son of George KING and Charlotte ?. Charles married 1840 in Marcham Abingdon BRK and I have the marriage certificate. Charles was baptised in Besselsleigh BRK as were his elder brothers, George 1815 and Joseph 1817. His father is stated as being ' George KING Labourer' From entries in the 1841and 1851 census it appears that George KING at least was born in Wotton Underwood BKS. So, I am asking if any other Bucks reaearchers are looking for the KING family from Wotton Underwood?? Best wishes Sally

Bucks Family History Society is transcribing Buckinghamshire parish registers, & selling each parish when it's complete up to 1901. They'll search their databases, which contain the incomplete parishes, for a fee. Details on their website - www.bucksfhs.org.uk Paul Ann Nolan wrote: >Hi Glen >Thank you so much for confirming Martha/Mary NICHOLS baptism for me. >Martha was my eighth great grandmother. >I had seen on the IGI the other 3 children, but hadnt had confirmation of them, is your info from the PR's >Do you know where I can find the PR's to purchase as many of my relatives are from Padbury and the area very close by? >regards >Ann > >G and S Gibbard <sggibb@ca.inter.net> wrote: > >Ann and Celia > >Martha Nichols was baptised in Padbury on 8 Aug 1722 the daughter of John >and Martha Nichols (from the Parish Register) > >As Celia pointed out John and Martha (Shouler) were married in Thornborough >6 Oct 1721 > >Other children of this couple that I have were: > >27 Jan 1723, Elizabeth (Elis) in Padbury >25 Sep 1727, Jane in Thornborough >25 Nov 1729, Elizabeth in Thornborough > >The other Nichols family were John and Mary (Franklin) marr. in 1718 and >their children were: > >4 Jan 1723, John >1 Jan 1726, Mary >26 Mar 1726, Thomas all born in Thornborough > >The Martha Nichols of 8 Aug 1722 I have as possibly the one who married >John Gibbard in Padbury in Jan 1737/38. She was known as both Mary and >Martha in later years as well. Do either of you have some other possible >connection for her? > >Glen Gibbard > > > > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: >http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html > > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >Advertising for financial gain is not permitted on this List, although subscribers may include a link to their website in their signature. > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 14/02/05

Hi Glen Thank you so much for confirming Martha/Mary NICHOLS baptism for me. Martha was my eighth great grandmother. I had seen on the IGI the other 3 children, but hadnt had confirmation of them, is your info from the PR's Do you know where I can find the PR's to purchase as many of my relatives are from Padbury and the area very close by? regards Ann G and S Gibbard <sggibb@ca.inter.net> wrote: Ann and Celia Martha Nichols was baptised in Padbury on 8 Aug 1722 the daughter of John and Martha Nichols (from the Parish Register) As Celia pointed out John and Martha (Shouler) were married in Thornborough 6 Oct 1721 Other children of this couple that I have were: 27 Jan 1723, Elizabeth (Elis) in Padbury 25 Sep 1727, Jane in Thornborough 25 Nov 1729, Elizabeth in Thornborough The other Nichols family were John and Mary (Franklin) marr. in 1718 and their children were: 4 Jan 1723, John 1 Jan 1726, Mary 26 Mar 1726, Thomas all born in Thornborough The Martha Nichols of 8 Aug 1722 I have as possibly the one who married John Gibbard in Padbury in Jan 1737/38. She was known as both Mary and Martha in later years as well. Do either of you have some other possible connection for her? Glen Gibbard ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html

Yes I have been paying attention Paul. Yes I know all about the 1861 transcription. Which is why I said I might be asking the impossible. BUT Wendover was a small place then and Tibby is a very unusual name AND....I do have a couple of addresses to try. Pen PS: Attention waned during January when old PC crashed, and frequent migraines might take the edge off my concentration at times.

You've not been paying attention, have you? The Bucks GS 1861 census transcription is still not available. Eve McLaughlin has threatened that heads will roll if it isn't ready next month, but in the meantime many of us are waiting for it. So unless someone has the 1861 census images & is willing to look through Wendover, you'll have to wait a while. Paul > > From: "pen" <penort@onetel.com> > Date: 2005/02/17 Thu PM 12:03:29 GMT > To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BKM] Tibby 1861 > > Hi there, > This may be an impossible question, but I wondered if anyone has the 1861 > Bucks and can spy any of my Tibbys in Wendover please? > > I have just got the 1861 info from 1837online and thought I would find them > in London....where they ended up. > Not so. Now I wonder if they were still in their homeplace of Wendover in > 1861. > > If anyone can help me I would be most grateful > > I do have the 1851 in exchange if it helps with the look up. > > many thanks, > > pennie > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > View or download up to 20000 archive photos of Buckinghamshire from the Bucks County Council web site at: http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/photo_database > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked by McAfee visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Hi there, This may be an impossible question, but I wondered if anyone has the 1861 Bucks and can spy any of my Tibbys in Wendover please? I have just got the 1861 info from 1837online and thought I would find them in London....where they ended up. Not so. Now I wonder if they were still in their homeplace of Wendover in 1861. If anyone can help me I would be most grateful I do have the 1851 in exchange if it helps with the look up. many thanks, pennie

Thanks for this interesting response Matt. It's partly because the Bucks FRANKLINs go way back that I think they MAY (very much stressed) be connected to the Northants ones. Those of us in a little FRANKLIN-hunting group are trying to find out where the Greatworth FRANKLINs came from because there were none there before 1700ish. We've looked at early F's over a very wide area of Northants and Oxon as well as Bucks but not found the ones that went to Greatworth. Generally, though we have found a good number of connections between the Thornborough, Great Horwood, Whaddon, Nash area and Sulgrave, Greatworth, etc. so that's why we keep watch over Bucks as well as Northants FRANKLINs, whether early or late. As you seem very knowledgeable historically, I wonder if you know anything about links of Northants and Oxfordshire PARGITERs (PARGETERs) with Bucks. I'll have to go back to an old file to lay fingers on the specific refs I have from A2A and so forth.. But I seem to remember a land deal between Sir William PARGITER of Greatworth and the wealthy family in Whaddon (was it LOWNDES then?) - date about 1780 I think. And Rev Robert PARGETER at Buckingham came, I believe, from Tadmarton? Any thoughts or suggestions would be most welcome. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: Tompkins, M.L. [mailto:mllt1@leicester.ac.uk] Sent: 16 February 2005 19:34 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BKM] Martha (Mary) Nichols of Padbury <<In terms of the FRANKLINs, my stepfather's FRANKLINs were in Sulgrave, Greatworth and surrounding areas of Northants but I have a feeling that the ones that were in Thornborough were connected to the Northants lot. I haven't proved it yet, but I'd like to.>> The Thornborough Franklins might have been of local origin. There were Franklins living in Great Horwood, just next door, throughout the medieval period. They were there as early as 1279, and still there in the early 16C, though by then they were starting to move out to neighbouring parishes. There were also Shoulers in Great Horwood - Robert Shoveler als Showler, who lived there from 1466 until his death in 1488, and a Thomas Showler or Shouler, who appeared in 1589 and was still there in the early years of the 17th century. Oddly enough Robert Showler's arrival in 1466 was occasioned by his having married a Franklin heiress. Matt Tompkins Blaston, Leics ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== To search the BUCKS list message archives, go to: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=BUCKS

<<In terms of the FRANKLINs, my stepfather's FRANKLINs were in Sulgrave, Greatworth and surrounding areas of Northants but I have a feeling that the ones that were in Thornborough were connected to the Northants lot. I haven't proved it yet, but I'd like to.>> The Thornborough Franklins might have been of local origin. There were Franklins living in Great Horwood, just next door, throughout the medieval period. They were there as early as 1279, and still there in the early 16C, though by then they were starting to move out to neighbouring parishes. There were also Shoulers in Great Horwood - Robert Shoveler als Showler, who lived there from 1466 until his death in 1488, and a Thomas Showler or Shouler, who appeared in 1589 and was still there in the early years of the 17th century. Oddly enough Robert Showler's arrival in 1466 was occasioned by his having married a Franklin heiress. Matt Tompkins Blaston, Leics

Hi Glen It's fantastic to have an expert's answer to this conundrum. My interest is actually not so much with NICHOLS but with SHOULER and FRANKLIN (and many other families) in Thornborough, Padbury, Whaddon, Nash etc.. Elizabeth SHOULER bap 13 Jul 1760 in Whaddon dau of Benjamin born Thornborough and Hester (CHENELS) m. Francis Smith TIMMS in 1786 Whaddon and their dau Esther bap 1787 m. my 5xgreat-uncle Edward BONHAM. Thomas WEATHERHEAD m. Elizabeth SHOULER abt 1760 Whaddon (I don't have any info on that particular Elizabeth). Their son Thomas bap 1759 Whaddon m. Sarah PRENTICE 1796 Whaddon and their dau Susannah m. George HARDING, son of my 5xgreat-aunt/uncle Elizabeth BONHAM and George HARDING. In terms of the FRANKLINs, my stepfather's FRANKLINs were in Sulgrave, Greatworth and surrounding areas of Northants but I have a feeling that the ones that were in Thornborough were connected to the Northants lot. I haven't proved it yet, but I'd like to. I have the John FRANKLIN-Mary SHOULER marriage. John was the 2nd of 8 known children for Robert FRANKLIN and Susanna SHEPHERD who m. 1 Nov 1810 by banns in Thornborough. Susanna was born Croughton OXF in 1785/6 but I don't know where Robert came from. John FRANKLIN and Mary SHOULER had 7 known children. Of these: George m. an Elizabeth of Gratewort, which could be Greatworth in Northants - their children ended up in Stony Stratford. William m. Mary Ann DUNKLEY of Nash and by so doing wound himself into the DUNKLEY - SMITH - FRENCH (Bermuda-ish) triangle of Nash, with its mind-boggling inter-connections. My BONHAMs are tangled up in that web too. With regard to the Mary/Martha SHOULER who may have married John GIBBARD in Padbury, I'm afraid I have too little NICHOLS knowledge to answer that - sorry! Test me on the families mentioned above and I would do a lot better! The only NICHOLS lines I have on file are these: Mary NICHOLS (dau of Richard and Sarah) who m. Samuel JOLLY on 19 Sep 1869 when they were both of Maids Moreton. Harriet NICHOLS born 1850/1 Shenley Bucks (no other info) m. William JEFFCOATE in 1874, son of John JEFFCOATE and Ann RATCLIFFE, Ann being a dau of my 4xgreat-grandfather Thomas RATCLIFFE bap 1780 in Potterspury. JOLLY and JEFFCOATE are both main family lines on my mother's side. I hope there may be something in here of interest to someone! Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: G and S Gibbard [mailto:sggibb@ca.inter.net] Sent: 16 February 2005 16:46 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] Martha (Mary) Nichols of Padbury Ann and Celia Martha Nichols was baptised in Padbury on 8 Aug 1722 the daughter of John and Martha Nichols (from the Parish Register) As Celia pointed out John and Martha (Shouler) were married in Thornborough 6 Oct 1721 Other children of this couple that I have were: 27 Jan 1723, Elizabeth (Elis) in Padbury 25 Sep 1727, Jane in Thornborough 25 Nov 1729, Elizabeth in Thornborough The other Nichols family were John and Mary (Franklin) marr. in 1718 and their children were: 4 Jan 1723, John 1 Jan 1726, Mary 26 Mar 1726, Thomas all born in Thornborough The Martha Nichols of 8 Aug 1722 I have as possibly the one who married John Gibbard in Padbury in Jan 1737/38. She was known as both Mary and Martha in later years as well. Do either of you have some other possible connection for her? Glen Gibbard ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html

In message <003f01c5144c$36243620$0201a8c0@caz>, candp <candp@chalfontcrew.co.uk> writes >Could we please have an update or the 1861 census cd rom? It is going through it last testing stages, and if it is not with us by March heads will roll!! > -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society