Hi Pat, Many thanks for the info on the SAUNDERS family in Dinton. I do believe this to be the family I am interested in. What is truly puzzling, to me at least, is the relationship with the WELFORD family. In 1838 John SAUNDERS married Eliza WELFORD and in 1882 his son Henry SAUNDERS married Emma WELFORD. I am now trying to sort out their relationship. In 1851 the SAUNDERS family consists of John 37 Ag. Lab Eliza 33 Lacemaker Joseph 13 Ag Lab Edwin 9 Henry 6 John 4 Emma 2 All born in Dinton. There would appear to be little change in 1861 except Joseph appears to have disappeared but at about aged 23 he could be just about anywhere. The 1871 could be interesting but I have no way of accessing that at the moment. Not sure what I am doing wrong but all attempts so far have failed. Thanks again for the info - it is much appreciated. Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Ricketts" <ricketts@omninet.net.au> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: RE: [BKM] (BKM) 1851/1861/1871 census Lookup SAUNDERS > Hi Heather > > Last year I trawled the Dinton PR's for family names and SAUNDERS was one > of > them (not so Welford, I'm afraid). You may be interested in the following > from the PR's - I think they are the family you are interested in: > > 1794: Francis SAUNDERS m. Mary ROGERS (both of Dinton Parish) 5 May 1794 > (Francis = butcher at Ford) > Elizabeth d of above, bap 17 Aug 1794 > Mary d of above, bap 22 Oct 1797 > William, son of above, bap 14 Jun 1801 > Sarah, d of above, bap 10 Jan 1804 > Reuben, son of above, bap 12 Apr 1810 (born 25 Feb 1810) > JOHN, son of above, bap 10 Apr 1814 ******* > James, son of above born ~ 1817 > > 1838: JOHN SAUNDERS (son of Francis- Butcher) of Ford m. Eliza WELFORD of > Westlington 30 Oct 1838 > Joseph, son of above born ~1839 > Francis H., son of above, bap 3 May 1840 > Edwin, son of above, bap 3 Apr 1842 > HENRY, son of above, bap 30 Jun 1844 ******* > John, son of above, bap 14 Jun 1846 (married Ann SPIERS) > Emma, d. of above, bap 29 Oct 1848 > William, son of above, bap 27 Sep 1863? 1853? > > 1865: HENRY SAUNDERS (son of John) m. Ann DEWBERRY 28 Sep 1865 > Emma Clarissa, d. of above, bap 13 Oct 1867 > > I hope the above is of some help. I haven't noticed any replies re > Census. > If you still need same, let me know and I will send what I have of this > family. > > Kind regards > Pat in Western Australia > > > >

Hi Donald The British war graves project has set up a web site where you can search for photos of war graves. The address is: www.britishwargraves.org.uk The project is ongoing - currently there are more than 64,000 images of gravestones in Buckinghamshire, but the project is still looking for volunteers to complete the work. Details of volunteering are also on the website. PS Unfortunately, I can't find mention of your Samuel Hatch, so it looks like the Uxbridge graves havn't yet been photographed. Rgds Judith Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hatch, Donald DJ (NS Commercie)" <donald.hatch@ns.nl> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: [BKM] Memorial Uxbridge > > In St Mary's church Uxbridge there is a memorial tablet to a relative, > Samuel A Hatch, who died in the First War. Is there anyone who could take > a > digital picture of this and send it to me? > Donald Hatch, Bilthoven Netherlands > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Deze e-mail, inclusief eventuele bijlage(n), is uitsluitend bestemd voor > gebruik door de > geadresseerde(n). Indien u dit bericht abusievelijk heeft ontvangen, mag > de informatie > daarvan niet worden gebruikt of openbaar gemaakt, noch aan derden worden > verstrekt. Wij verzoeken u om in dat geval direct contact op te nemen met > de > afzender en de e-mail te vernietigen. > > This e-mail, including any appendix or appendices, is intended solely for > use by the > addressee(s). If you have received this message in error, the information > it contains > may not be used or disclosed, nor may it be revealed to third parties. In > that case, > please contact the sender immediately and destroy the e-mail. > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > To search the BUCKS list message archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=BUCKS >

Thank you to everyone who helped me with my "visitation" query. I now have a copy of the inquest report from the Bucks Herald. It seems that God visited the Stewkley area quite frequently in those days! Jane

In message <42583958.8000004@ntlworld.com>, Paul Irving <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> writes >Does anyone want to check it? All transcribed. as before, but ?when. Going in on Monday am, but not sure of available time then -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

In message <200504091414.j39EEjC20794@localhost.localdomain>, "T. Alan Russell" <alan@cartar.com> writes >I am looking for the family of Ethel Constance Keene (not sure of the >spelling of the last name) She reported lived in or near Chalfont Saint >Giles. She marries a .. Hull and at some point has a son Edward Gordon >Alfred Hull in Staten Island NY This is a bit vague - some idea of the date would help. We can guess she was born in 1890 plus, (does that sound right) but it could be a long plus. > -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

YES! I am actually off to Denmark in June (to take my mum back, she has not been back since our family emigrated to Au 36 years ago!!!) to do some family research.. I had hoped to get to UK too, but sadly wont happen, at least not this time! Bummer.! I go to my local FHS conferences, etc whenever possible, but wouldn't it be UNREAL to go to a UK one!!??? Kirsten -----Original Message----- From: Toni Skidmore [mailto:long.live.rock@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, 9 April 2005 10:37 PM To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BKM] BGS FAMILY HISTORY FEAST Apr 23 I wholeheartedly agree, Kirsten. One of these years, I shall have to try to set up my UK trip itinerary to coincide with a visit to Bucks in late April - this is the fourth consecutive Family History Feast I've had to watch come and go from afar! :( Someday it will happen. I live in hope! :-) -- Toni Skidmore ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [A true American] "would think himself more obliged to a genealogist who could prove for him that his ancestors and relations for ten generations had been ploughmen, smiths, carpenters, turners, weavers, tanners or even shoemakers, and consequently that they were useful members of society, than if he could only prove that they were Gentlemen, doing nothing of value but living idly on the labor of others." - Benjamin Franklin, September 1792 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- Original message -------------- > Hmm this sounds truly GREAT! > But.. .a tad too far from Kariong NSW :-( > You guys are So lucky!! > And we, down under, are SO envious!!! >

Does anyone want to check it? All transcribed. Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 07/04/05

Hi, I have to hand a recently published list of places in Bucks mentioned in "Bucks Ancestor". These are listed according to the Volume No. & Issue No. within the volume. I have a problem - I have some extracts concerning the village of Thornborough from this publication, but my listing is according to the month & year of publication & I can't correlate this with the above list. Volume No. 1 Issue No. 1 appears to be published in June 1992, but Volume No. 14, Issue No. 1 occurs in March 2005, giving the present numbering system of four Issues per calendar year. I have an article "The Freemasons" from Dec. 1993 & an item "Turvey-Drops" from Sept. 1995, but I'm not sure if these are those listed as occurring in (Vol/Issue) 4/1, 9/3, 9/4,10/1. I may have the others, but I need to know the the month/year of publication & subject heading. Help - please assist me to sort out if I've missed something! Trish Brownrigg.

John- Thanks for your reply. After some additional discoveries the time period that the family lived in the area is unknown but I suspect it was the first half of the 1800's. Ethel is born in Jamaica and Edward Hull in Toronto. I am interested in the predominate spelling of Keene in the 1800's. Alan T. Alan Russell 8 Waters Edge Drive Paris, IL 61944 217-466-5305 317-847-1067 .. mobile Alan@cartar.com www.cartar.com -----Original Message----- From: John Brown [mailto:john.dehavilland@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 9:20 AM To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKM] Ethel Constance Keene "T. Alan Russell" <alan@cartar.com> wrote : >I am looking for the family of Ethel Constance Keene (not sure of the > spelling of the last name) She reported lived in or near Chalfont Saint > Giles. She marries a .. Hull and at some point has a son Edward Gordon > Alfred Hull in Staten Island NY "When", would be helpful :-) John B Leic., Eng ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/

"T. Alan Russell" <alan@cartar.com> wrote : >I am looking for the family of Ethel Constance Keene (not sure of the > spelling of the last name) She reported lived in or near Chalfont Saint > Giles. She marries a .. Hull and at some point has a son Edward Gordon > Alfred Hull in Staten Island NY "When", would be helpful :-) John B Leic., Eng

I wholeheartedly agree, Kirsten. One of these years, I shall have to try to set up my UK trip itinerary to coincide with a visit to Bucks in late April - this is the fourth consecutive Family History Feast I've had to watch come and go from afar! :( Someday it will happen. I live in hope! :-) -- Toni Skidmore ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [A true American] "would think himself more obliged to a genealogist who could prove for him that his ancestors and relations for ten generations had been ploughmen, smiths, carpenters, turners, weavers, tanners or even shoemakers, and consequently that they were useful members of society, than if he could only prove that they were Gentlemen, doing nothing of value but living idly on the labor of others." - Benjamin Franklin, September 1792 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- Original message -------------- > Hmm this sounds truly GREAT! > But.. .a tad too far from Kariong NSW :-( > You guys are So lucky!! > And we, down under, are SO envious!!! > > Kind regards, > Kirsten Friis Holm Hawkes > Kariong NSW Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eve McLaughlin [mailto:eve@varneys.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, 8 April 2005 10:00 PM > To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BKM] BGS FAMILY HISTORY FEAST Apr 23 > > > Make a note in your diaries of the one you cannot afford to miss. On April > 23, we lay before you a FEAST of information, 1000 odd books pictorial, > historical and reference, from my own library, plus CDs, microfiches, etc > for everywhere in the British Isles and a few other areas too. The whole of > the Hartwell Day Centre is taken over by tables and tables of information; > we have a separate room for Bucks information, parish register transcripts, > censues, masses of books, many of >Snip

Hi to fellow listers Have received a copy of a Will proved Oxford 1866 of an ancestor. At the end of it "17 folios" is recorded. What exactly does this mean? Is it possible there is further information I can obtain on the Estate etc? Your help much appreciated. Kind regards Pat in Western Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005

In message <000c01c53cd7$30439da0$3556cecb@o1o7d7>, "T.Brownrigg" <dualtee@bigblue.net.au> writes >Hi, > >I have to hand a recently published list of places in Bucks mentioned in "Bucks >Ancestor". >These are listed according to the Volume No. & Issue No. within the volume. > >I have a problem - I have some extracts concerning the village of Thornborough >from this publication, but my listing is according to the month & year of >publication & I can't correlate this with the above list. Volume No. 1 Issue >No. 1 appears to be published in June 1992, but Volume No. 14, Issue No. 1 >occurs in March 2005, giving the present numbering system of four Issues per >calendar year. That is correct - just relate the volume to the year Vol 2 being March 1993 and so on. >I have an article "The Freemasons" from Dec. 1993 & an item "Turvey-Drops" from >Sept. 1995, but I'm not sure if these are those listed as occurring in >(Vol/Issue) 4/1, 9/3, 9/4,10/1. I may have the others, but I need to know the >the month/year of publication & subject heading. In the New Member's Pack is a listing of each issue including the main articles, which should help. We use the colume/issue numbers to locate a magazine when this is ordered. It took quite a time to do the thorough index! -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Morning all, I wonder if there is SKS who has access to any of the early census who would be willing to lookup Henry SAUNDERS who was born circa 1846 and may be found in Dinton, Bucks. In 1881 he appears as a widower lodging at the Seven Stars, Dinton aged 35. In 1891 he is married to Emma WELFORD, living in Church Road, Dinton with John WELFORD stepson aged 15 Ada WELFORD Step dau. aged 11 Frank SAUNDERS aged 7 Nellie SAUNDERS aged 4 Amos SAUNDERS aged 1 I have found his marriage to Emma Welford in Dec. Qtr. Aylesbury in 1882. A marriage of Henry SAUNDERS aged 21 and Ann DEWBERRY aged 20 in Dinton Sept. 1865 gives his father as John SAUNDERS, Butcher. The WELFORD family are represented at this stage too with one of the witnesses being Mary Ann WELFORD. In 1881 the WELFORD's prove to be quite a mystery. William WELFORD aged 29 unmarried - Head George aged 18 unm - brother Elizabeth aged 28 unm - sister Emma aged 22 unm - sister Alfred aged 11 - nephew Henry aged 7 nephew John aged 5 nephew Elizabeth aged 2 neice Ada aged 1 niece At this stage I can only assume that John and Ada are Emma's illegitimate children I would really appreciate any information on either of these two families. Many thanks, Heather

In message <NGBBKJHCKLMJOBFCILMNKEOFCGAA.ricketts@omninet.net.au>, Pat Ricketts <ricketts@omninet.net.au> writes > >Hi to fellow listers > >Have received a copy of a Will proved Oxford 1866 of an ancestor. At the >end of it "17 folios" is recorded. It means the original was in 17 sheets (34 pages) so this is something like a will worth having, even allowing for all the repetitions. (One the other hand, 'folio 17' just means that it ended on the 17th sheet of a register book, and could be any length., If it is '17 folios' that was the full length. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hello list I wonder if some kind person would look up John SHOULER/SHOWLER and his wife Emma and their children Samuel, Reuben and maybe David had been born he was aged 10 on the 1871, they were living at Old End in Padbury in 1871 and John was a mason, I am particularly interested in the ages of John and Emma TYIA Ann

I am looking for the family of Ethel Constance Keene (not sure of the spelling of the last name) She reported lived in or near Chalfont Saint Giles. She marries a .. Hull and at some point has a son Edward Gordon Alfred Hull in Staten Island NY Alan T. Alan Russell 8 Waters Edge Drive Paris, IL 61944 217-466-5305 317-847-1067 .. mobile Alan@cartar.com www.cartar.com

Hi Trish The BGS was founded in 1992 with the first magazine published in June of that year. The Bucks Ancestor has always been a quarterly publication with publication dates March, June, September and December. Within a year (apart from 1992) these therefore have issue numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4 respectively (because June 1992 was our first publication the issue numbers for that year are June: 1, September: 2, December: 3). Each year the volume number advances so: 1992 Volume1 1993 Volume 2 1994 Volume 3 1995 Volume 4 1996 Volume 5 1997 Volume 6 1998 Volume 7 1999 Volume 8 2000 Volume 9 2001 Volume 10 2002 Volume 11 2003 Volume 12 2004 Volume 13 2005 Volume 14 Regards Kevin Quick -----Original Message----- From: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com [mailto:BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com] Sent: 09 April 2005 07:39 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] "Bucks Ancestor" - Thornborough Importance: Low Hi, I have to hand a recently published list of places in Bucks mentioned in "Bucks Ancestor".   These are listed according to the Volume No. & Issue No. within the volume. I have a problem - I have some extracts concerning the village of Thornborough from this publication, but my listing is according to the month & year of publication & I can't correlate this with the above list.  Volume No. 1 Issue No. 1 appears to be published in June 1992, but Volume No. 14, Issue No. 1 occurs in March 2005, giving the present numbering system of four Issues per calendar year.   I have an article "The Freemasons" from Dec. 1993 & an item "Turvey-Drops" from Sept. 1995, but I'm not sure if these are those listed as occurring in (Vol/Issue) 4/1, 9/3, 9/4,10/1. I may have the others, but I need to know the the month/year of publication & subject heading. Help - please assist me to sort out if I've missed something! Trish Brownrigg.

I agree, Eve. But in my example of interchanging of the terms I meant that it was used more loosely than that. It has been used (with four baptisms) as Gent, Esq, Esq, Gent and I don't think that it was the rank that yoyoed! I believe that, in the eyes of the Curate, the terms were being used with equal value. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] Gentleman --- Esquire > >> >>In my transcribing of Parish Records (Cornish) --- especially Baptisms' >>Registers --- I have frequently seen the terms "Gent" and "Esq" >>interchanged >>when referring to the same person. > > True, but there was a precise definition and a loose definition, and if > the same man appears to have moved from Gent to Esq, it is possible his > older brother had died in between. > > -- > Eve McLaughlin > > Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians > Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society > > ______________________________

Hmm this sounds truly GREAT! But.. .a tad too far from Kariong NSW :-( You guys are So lucky!! And we, down under, are SO envious!!! Kind regards, Kirsten Friis Holm Hawkes Kariong NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: Eve McLaughlin [mailto:eve@varneys.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 8 April 2005 10:00 PM To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] BGS FAMILY HISTORY FEAST Apr 23 Make a note in your diaries of the one you cannot afford to miss. On April 23, we lay before you a FEAST of information, 1000 odd books pictorial, historical and reference, from my own library, plus CDs, microfiches, etc for everywhere in the British Isles and a few other areas too. The whole of the Hartwell Day Centre is taken over by tables and tables of information; we have a separate room for Bucks information, parish register transcripts, censues, masses of books, many of >Snip