Hi, Just to say Congratulations on the 1841 Census - on a job well done. Many thanks to all concerned. Come on everyone - where`s your vote of thanks ???

>No. 52 - 24 Dec 1839 Alfred Centesimus? Son of Richard & Ann CARTER of >Buckingham age 5 mths (by John Coates) > That ought to mean 'hundredth' - OK, they had long families, but this is ridiculous -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Baptisms - Buckingham folk (I think I managed to get all the Buckingham ones) No. 36 - 5 May 1839 Elizabeth Helen dau of Thomas & Esther LEESON of Buckingham age 16 wks (by John Coates) No. 52 - 24 Dec 1839 Alfred Centesimus? Son of Richard & Ann CARTER of Buckingham age 5 mths (by John Coates) No. 81 - 5 Jul 1840 Ellen dau of Benjamin & Eliza BUTCHER of Buckingham age 4 mths (by John Coates) No. 90 - 4 Oct 1840 Abraham Albert son of Abraham & Mary WHEELER of Buckingham age 8 wks No. 93 - 6 Dec 1840 Charles son of Charles & Martha HOWARD of Buckingham age 3 wks No. 105 - 28 Mar 1841 Robert son of James & Selina HUTCHINSON of Buckingham age 9 wks (by H Geach) No. 113 - 5 Aug 1841 Sophia dau of Richard & Ann CARTER of Buckingham age 5 wks (by H Geach) No. 124 7 Nov 1841 Lambert Looseley son of George & Mary HOBBS of Buckingham age 11 wks (by William Saunders) No. 137 - 10 Apr 1842 John Wesley son of John & Matilda GOODWIN of Buckingham born 10 Jan (by W Homer) No. 146 - 16 Jun 1842 Alice Wagstaff dau of William & Sarah SANDERS of Buckingham age 13 wks (by W Homer) No. 147 - 16 Jun 1842 George son of John & Matilda GOODWIN of Buckingham age 19 mths (by W Homer) No. 150 - 14 Aug 1842 Jabez son of William & Ann CHARTER of Buckingham age 3 mths (by William Saunders) No. 156 - 16 Jan 1843 Sarah dau of Richard & Ann CARTER of Buckingham age 4 mths (by James Lancaster) No. 157 - 21 Dec 1843 ann dau of Richard & Ann CARTER of Buckingham age 4 mths (by James Lancaster) No. 172 - 7 Jan 1844 Theophilus John son of William & Catharine PIGGOTT of Buckingham age 5 wks (by Joseph Gostick) No. 173 - 7 Jan 1844 Henry son of Joseph & Elizabeth LEESON of Buckingham age month (by Joseph Gostick) No. 186 - 7 Mar 1844 Charles son of Richard & Ann CARTER of Buckingham age 9 wks 4 days (by Wm Piggott) No. 204 - 24 Nov 1844 Rebecca dau of Thomas & Eliza STANDING of Buckingham born 12 Sep (by Thomas Standing) No. 219 - 3 Apr 1845 Agnes dau of Richard & Ann CARTER of Buckingham born Feb 9 (by Thomas Standing) No. 227 - 2 Oct 1845 Thomas Frederick son of Frederick Charles Henry & Ann ROSS of Buckingham born 25 Jul (by Thomas Standing) No. 250 - 10 May 1846 Mary Ann dau of Joseph & Elizabeth LEESON of Buckingham age 2 mths (by Thomas Standing) No. 257 - 20 Nov 1845 Harriett dau of Thomas & Mary BAKER of Buckingham born 15 Oct (by W H Bainbridge) No. 327 - 13 Jul 1849 at Buckingham Henry William son of Henry & Ellen Hamilton PITTAM of Buckingham age 1 mth (by John Dowty) No. 349 - 6 Jan 1850 Mary Ann dau of James & Sarah HARRIS of Buckingham born 12 Oct 1849 (by Ebenezer Tovey) No. 377 - 1 Jun 1851 Martha Hayward dau of Henry & Ellen Hamilton PITTAM of Buckingham age 6 mths 2 wks (by John Pearson) No. 505 - 28 Mar 1858 George Edwin son of George & Sarah HOLLAND of Buckingham born 6 Feb (by James Eacott) No. 506 - 18 Apr 1858 George son of William & Maria HOLLAND of Buckingham born 22 Mar (by James Eacott) No. 580 - 1 Nov 1863 Amy dau of Thomas & Charlotte Mary BAKER of Buckingham born 30 Aug (by William John Bullivant)

Baptisms - Thornborough folk No. 26 - 13 Sep 1838 Ann dau of Stephen & Elizabeth LAMBOURN of Thornborough age 18 weeks (by John Coates) No. 66 - 18 Mar 1840 Jesse son of William & Phillis CLIFFORD of Thornborough age 5 wks No. 118 - 13 Oct 1841 Ann dau of William & Phillis CLIFTON of Thornborough age 4 wks (by William Saunders) No. 229 - 16 Sep 1845 Sarah dau of William & Elizabeth DITTAMS of Thornborough born 18 Jul (by William Wilson) No. 241 - 5 May 1846 Richard William son of Richard & Catholine LAMBURNE of Thornborough age 5 wks (by W H Bainbridge) No. 716 - 29 Jul 1872 Caleb son of Esau & Elizabeth GIBBARD of Thornborough born 30 Mar 1872 (by John Lamplugh at Tingewick) Baptisms - Padbury folk No. 30 - 6 Nov 1838 Maria dau of James & Matilda GIBBARD of Padbury age 7 weeks (by John Coates) No. 82 - 30 Jun 1840 George son of James & Matilda GIBBARD of Padbury age 6 wks No. 141 - 8 May 1842 Selina dau of James & Matilda GIBBARD of Padbury age 5 wks (by William Saunders) No. 179 - 11 Feb 1844 John son of James & Matilda GIBBARD of Padbury age 5 wks (by Joseph Gostick) No ? - 28 Aug 1848 at Padbury - Elizabeth dau of William & Mary ABBOTT of Padbury age 4 wks 2 days (by John Mann) No. 369 - 14 Dec 1850 Joshua son of James & Matilda GIBBARD of Padbury age 5 wks (by John Pearson) No. 379 - 8 Jun 1851 Rosanna dau of William & Mary ABBOTT of Padbury age 4 wks 1 day (by John Pearson) No. 613 - 21 Aug 1865 John Berry son of Charles & Elizabeth GIBBARD of Padbury born 15 Jun (by William John Bullivant) Others No. 136 - 22 Mar 1842 Selina dau of Thomas & Harriott HODGES of Leckhampstead age 7 wks (by W Homer) No. 200 - 4 Sep 1844 Ann dau of John & Hephzibah RIDGWAY of Akeley age 8 wks (by Joseph Gostick)

OK our grumpy friends who want us doing more original source research should raise half a cheer for this. Today being one of my good days and my son's car being available, I had an afternoon at Northants Archives and found these Bucks folk in the above registers. Some of them are 'long-losts' of my own so hopefully other listers will find some of theirs too. Just to say, I didn't have time to pick up every event for Bucks folk, I'll aim to get the rest next time. Actually, I'll send them in chunks or this will be a hugely long email! Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK Baptisms - Tingewick folk No. 16 - 2 May 1838 William Martin Mawer son of David & Hannah ALLEN of Tingewick age 2 months 2 days (by William Taylor) No. 33 - 18 Mar 1839 James Holland son of John & Sarah HEARN of Tingewick age 6 wks (by John Coates) No. 48 - 29 Nov 1839 George son of William & Martha HARRIS of Tingewick age 1 mth (by John Coates) No. 54 - 2 Jan 1840 William son of John & Hannah BURROWS of Tingewick age 6 wks (by John Coates) No. 79 - 4 Jun 1840 William son of Edward & Mary WORRELL? of Tingewick age 7 wks No. 100 - 11 Mar 1841 Eleanor dau of John & Sarah HEARNE of Tingewick age 7 wks No. 117 - 24 Sep 1841 George son of Henry & Catherine REED of Tingewick age 4 wks (by William Homer) No. 133 - 24 Feb 1842 Ann dau of William & Mary RUSH of Tingewick age 4 mths (by William Saunders) No. 171 - 21 Dec 1843 William son of John & Sarah HEARN of Tingewick age 6 wks (by Joseph Gostick) No. 177 - 1 Feb 1844 Rebekah? Dau of David & Hannah ALLEN of Tingewick age 2 yrs (by Joseph Gostick) No. 197 - 18 Jul 1844 Mary dau of William & Mary RUSH of Tingewick age 6 mths (by Wm Piggott) No. 271 - 15 apr 1847 Samuel son of William & Mary RUSH of Tingewick age 13 wks (by Robt Dyson Minister) No. 365 - 25 Sep 1850 Emma dau of William & Mary RUSH of Tingewick age 8 mths 2 wks 14 days (by John Pearson) No. 502 - 25 Jan 1858 Sarah dau of George & Elizabeth HUMPHRIES of Tingewick born 13 Jan (by James Eacott) No. 715 - 14 Jul 1872 Caleb son of Charles & Ann WEBB of Tingewick born 15 Jun 1872 (by John Lamplugh at Tingewick) No. 733 - 22 Jun 1873 Emmanuel son of John & Maria ARIS of Tingewick born 2 Apr (by John Lamplugh at Tingewick) No. 743 - 19 Oct 1873 at Tingewick Thomas Albert son of Thomas & Leah SMITH of Tingewick born 5 Sep No. 783 - 25 Apr 1875 at Tingewick Edwin James son of John & Maria AYRIS of Tingewick born 24 Feb (by Henry Lewis) No. 788 - 24 Oct 1875 at Tingewick Helen Elizabeth dau of William & Elizabeth HEARN of Tingewick born 29 Nov 1874 (by Henry Lewis)

I'd say more than "might have been". "Very probably". The IGI, 1871 (apart from mistranscribing Naomi as Nasim - typical!), 1881 (LDS, free online at www.familysearch.org, as is the IGI) & 1891 censuses & my (incomplete) list of Bucks Paradine marriages all seem to agree. The marriage certificate (£7 from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/ with the reference, which is on http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ) will give her fathers name. Her birth certificate would give her mothers maiden name. The Bucks FHS (www.bucksfhs.org.uk) will sell you a CD of the 1851 census, which should show George & Naomi with their parents, for a very modest price, & for a little more the Bucks GS (www.bucksgs.org.uk) will sell you CDs of the 1891 census, showing Lizzie & Henry married & producing progeny, & the 1861 census, which I haven't yet seen because it's not yet been published. On sale April 23rd, I believe. You should be able to trace Paradine back quite a way in that area. Greens in the Luton area might be more difficult to identify, as the name's more common. Paul hey wyre wrote: > I am searching for a Lizzie PARADINE that was born (possibly) in > Pitstone, Buck c1866. Parents might have been George and Naomi > > Lizzie married a Henry (Harry) Egbert GREEN in about 1886 > > Any connections out there? > > Judy > BC Canada > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > To view recent downloadable photos of Bucks churches and village > scenes, courtesy of Peter and Kevin Quick, visit: > http://www.countyviews.com > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 13/04/05

>qtr 1898 Wycombe Vol 3a page 1331 and ordered the marriage certificate. > >Chiltern office have said that they are unable to trace the marriage and >need to pay £11 to order the certificate from Southport. > >I believe that the marriage probably took place in Little Missenden as that >is where the bride's father died in 1892 and where her mother died in 1899. >Why would there be no trace of it at High Wycombe? Because local registration offices do not have a consolidated index but separate files for every church,and chapel (and RO itself.) If you suggested Little Missenden, and it isn't there, then the staff can't very well try every one of the other 200 places, in hopes. Probably she left home, went into service, met her husband wherever that was, and married him at some convenient place nearby. You can order the certificate on line from ONS for 7 pounds nowadays, though, using crdit card and quoting the full reference you have given. The 11 pound price is only if you lack the full reference. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi I'd appreciate any advice on the following:- I traced a marriage between Agnes Annie HARDING and Leonard HOWARD in Dec qtr 1898 Wycombe Vol 3a page 1331 and ordered the marriage certificate. Chiltern office have said that they are unable to trace the marriage and need to pay £11 to order the certificate from Southport. I believe that the marriage probably took place in Little Missenden as that is where the bride's father died in 1892 and where her mother died in 1899. Why would there be no trace of it at High Wycombe? Apologies if there is a very obvious and straightforward answer. Thanks in advance Carol Ann Logan researching BADRICK / CHRISTMAS / GARNER / HARDING / STRAW in BKM & with connections to BROWN / GRIMSDELL / SOUTH / FITKIN / HAWES

I am searching for a Lizzie PARADINE that was born (possibly) in Pitstone, Buck c1866. Parents might have been George and Naomi Lizzie married a Henry (Harry) Egbert GREEN in about 1886 Any connections out there? Judy BC Canada

I too have a bigamist in the family - gg grandpa! He went to gaol for three years to contemplate his misdeeds - and get blisters from the hard manual labour on the roads he was sentenced to. But his children had to be put into homes, as the legal wife, my gg grandma, was destitute and had no way of feeding them. She died 5 years later. Silly man did the deed in apparently the same town as his legal wife! Or very close, anyway. 1865 in a goldmining town here in the state of Victoria.. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: Celia Renshaw [mailto:celia@valinor.force9.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2005 10:07 AM To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [BKM] a disappearing WICKS 'Divorce' and 'remarriage' (by the wife at least) without the benefit of official paperwork? I have a similar circumstance in my family. Great-grandpa William DANFORTH married twice and on 2nd marriage said he was a widower. But a new batch of cousins contacted me a while back, descended from 1st wife, and proved to me without a shadow of a doubt that she was still alive when William remarried. She herself was living with another chap. The cousins were as shocked as me by the evidence of bigamy but it seems that with divorce virtually unobtainable for the working folk, this kind of thing was much more common than we might like to imagine. In my family's case I think everyone knew what was going on. But in yours, perhaps John WICKS deserted his wife and she remarried thinking he was dead. I haven't worked out the years involved but perhaps he was gone long enough to be officially counted as dead. Perhaps he was transported? All sorts of possibilities really. Best wishes Celia Renshaw (nee DANFORTH, descended from the 'illegal' 2nd wife!) In Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: gill kelly [mailto:gk011a6271@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 12 April 2005 00:32 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] a disappearing WICKS Has anyone any ideas?? In 1871 and in 1881 John WICKS lives with his wife and two children William F and Edith Annie at 29 Corunna Rd, Battersea ... in 1871 he is an Engine Driver and in 1881 an engine fitter. Somewhere between 1881 and 1891 he dies and Edith Annie and her mother go into service apparently to Stoneleigh, Weybridge... they evidently move on from there to Gomer Berry's estate, where Edith Annie meets John Thomas YATES..... Story has it that the pair of slipper fronts that were handed down through the family were made by John WICKS when he was in hospital.... also, and maybe unconnected, someone on his side of the family was in the Black Watch regiment and did some service overseas. However complicated this may appear... it is even more so when he apparently turns up in the 1901 census in Lambeth (where William F was born) right age, place of birth and occupation.... a too solid ghost to explain away! His wife is definitely down as a widow in the 1891 census. What could be the explanation? Gill ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== Questions about the list administration? Contact the listowners: Dave Carlsen - davidcarlsen@charter.net (USA); Judith Young - Arkleside@ntlworld.com (UK)

In message <004201c53eee$a772bbe0$5c222952@oneself>, gill kelly <gk011a6271@blueyonder.co.uk> writes >Has anyone any ideas?? > >In 1871 and in 1881 John WICKS lives with his wife and two children William F >and Edith Annie at 29 Corunna Rd, Battersea ... in 1871 he is an Engine Driver >and in 1881 an engine fitter. Somewhere between 1881 and 1891 he dies and Edith >Annie and her mother go into service apparently to Stoneleigh, Weybridge... they >evidently move on from there to Gomer Berry's estate, where Edith Annie meets >John Thomas YATES..... Story has it that the pair of slipper fronts that were >handed down through the family were made by John WICKS when he was in >hospital.... also, and maybe unconnected, someone on his side of the family was >in the Black Watch regiment and did some service overseas. However complicated >this may appear... it is even more so when he apparently turns up in the 1901 >census in Lambeth (where William F was born) right age, place of birth and >occupation.... a too solid ghost to explain away! His wife is definitely down as >a widow in the 1891 census. Maybe the family just split up - but maybe you have two men with the same (not uncommon) name. It is possible that the other one is a cousin of this one, sharing birthplace etc. Check parish (or chapel) registers to see if there are two around as small children. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

'Divorce' and 'remarriage' (by the wife at least) without the benefit of official paperwork? I have a similar circumstance in my family. Great-grandpa William DANFORTH married twice and on 2nd marriage said he was a widower. But a new batch of cousins contacted me a while back, descended from 1st wife, and proved to me without a shadow of a doubt that she was still alive when William remarried. She herself was living with another chap. The cousins were as shocked as me by the evidence of bigamy but it seems that with divorce virtually unobtainable for the working folk, this kind of thing was much more common than we might like to imagine. In my family's case I think everyone knew what was going on. But in yours, perhaps John WICKS deserted his wife and she remarried thinking he was dead. I haven't worked out the years involved but perhaps he was gone long enough to be officially counted as dead. Perhaps he was transported? All sorts of possibilities really. Best wishes Celia Renshaw (nee DANFORTH, descended from the 'illegal' 2nd wife!) In Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: gill kelly [mailto:gk011a6271@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 12 April 2005 00:32 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] a disappearing WICKS Has anyone any ideas?? In 1871 and in 1881 John WICKS lives with his wife and two children William F and Edith Annie at 29 Corunna Rd, Battersea ... in 1871 he is an Engine Driver and in 1881 an engine fitter. Somewhere between 1881 and 1891 he dies and Edith Annie and her mother go into service apparently to Stoneleigh, Weybridge... they evidently move on from there to Gomer Berry's estate, where Edith Annie meets John Thomas YATES..... Story has it that the pair of slipper fronts that were handed down through the family were made by John WICKS when he was in hospital.... also, and maybe unconnected, someone on his side of the family was in the Black Watch regiment and did some service overseas. However complicated this may appear... it is even more so when he apparently turns up in the 1901 census in Lambeth (where William F was born) right age, place of birth and occupation.... a too solid ghost to explain away! His wife is definitely down as a widow in the 1891 census. What could be the explanation? Gill ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/

Has anyone any ideas?? In 1871 and in 1881 John WICKS lives with his wife and two children William F and Edith Annie at 29 Corunna Rd, Battersea ... in 1871 he is an Engine Driver and in 1881 an engine fitter. Somewhere between 1881 and 1891 he dies and Edith Annie and her mother go into service apparently to Stoneleigh, Weybridge... they evidently move on from there to Gomer Berry's estate, where Edith Annie meets John Thomas YATES..... Story has it that the pair of slipper fronts that were handed down through the family were made by John WICKS when he was in hospital.... also, and maybe unconnected, someone on his side of the family was in the Black Watch regiment and did some service overseas. However complicated this may appear... it is even more so when he apparently turns up in the 1901 census in Lambeth (where William F was born) right age, place of birth and occupation.... a too solid ghost to explain away! His wife is definitely down as a widow in the 1891 census. What could be the explanation? Gill

For some years now I've puzzled over the 1841 Census Occupation given for my gggrandfather - Collector. Today I've been looking at a film of Church Wardens Accounts and noted someone listed as Collector. It wasn't very clear but one entry made me think he may have been collecting Rent from tenants of church property. Does any one know whether Collector was a common parish employee - and what they did? Cheers, Cathy

I'm now sorting out a home for both Waddesdon & Granborough on the Internet. The URLs will be posted as soon as it's done, & they should be accessible via Genuki. I'd be grateful if anyone who wants a copy & doesn't yet have one is patient, & waits until it's on the internet. The next parish planned is Aylesbury. Don't hold your breath, as it'll take a while. Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 11/04/05

In message <6.2.1.2.2.20050411184100.027c6670@mail.agn.net.au>, Cathy Pinner <kit52@wn.com.au> writes >For some years now I've puzzled over the 1841 Census Occupation given for >my gggrandfather - Collector. > >Today I've been looking at a film of Church Wardens Accounts and noted >someone listed as Collector. Probably Church Rate, to maintain the fabric of the church, pay for decorations, bells, service books etc, which all householders had to pay - even the nonconformist ones, to their expressed dislike. The amount was asssesed according to the val8ue of the house property, and collected every six months (or every month if the householder jibbed. It was not an easy task, because of local resentment. If this is in a London civil parish, then he would also be collecting Poor Rayes, same principle, same problems. The administration of this money would be civil rather than ecclesiastical, though, which made it a little less painful. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi Heather You already have the SAUNDERS entry for the 1851 Census and 1861 Census so I checked 1871 and found no trace of a Henry SAUNDERS; neither could I identify his brothers in Dinton. I did, however, find their parents: SAUNDERS John H M 57 Ag Lab b. Dinton SAUNDERS Eliza W M 53 Lacemaker b. Dinton Below is the 1851 Census for the WELFORD Family you are interested in (I think!) Ford: WELFORD John H M 48 Shopkeeper b. Dinton WELFORD Hannah W M 35 Lacemaker b. Dinton WELFORD John S U 13 Ag Lab b. Dinton WELFORD Jesse S 12 b. Dinton WELFORD Mary A D 10 Scholar b. Dinton * WELFORD Sarah D 8 Scholar b. Dinton WELFORD Thomas S 5 b. Dinton WELFORD James S 2 b. Dinton WELFORD William S 8 mts b. Dinton ********** I think this William ****** is one and the same as shown on the 1881 Census as unm and aged 29 ALSO, the Mary A WELFORD above could possibly be the Mary Ann WELFORD Witness at the 1865 Marriage. Certainly, it is worth following up, I think. Although the 1871 Census for Dinton has many WELFORD families, I was unable to identify the above members of the Welford family. Good luck with your sleuthing! Pat in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: heather smith [mailto:heather.smith983@ntlworld.com] Sent: Monday, 11 April 2005 12:29 AM To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKM] (BKM) 1851/1861/1871 census Lookup SAUNDERS Hi Pat, Many thanks for the info on the SAUNDERS family in Dinton. I do believe this to be the family I am interested in. What is truly puzzling, to me at least, is the relationship with the WELFORD family. In 1838 John SAUNDERS married Eliza WELFORD and in 1882 his son Henry SAUNDERS married Emma WELFORD. I am now trying to sort out their relationship. In 1851 the SAUNDERS family consists of John 37 Ag. Lab Eliza 33 Lacemaker Joseph 13 Ag Lab Edwin 9 Henry 6 John 4 Emma 2 All born in Dinton. There would appear to be little change in 1861 except Joseph appears to have disappeared but at about aged 23 he could be just about anywhere. The 1871 could be interesting but I have no way of accessing that at the moment. Not sure what I am doing wrong but all attempts so far have failed. Thanks again for the info - it is much appreciated. Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Ricketts" <ricketts@omninet.net.au> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: RE: [BKM] (BKM) 1851/1861/1871 census Lookup SAUNDERS > Hi Heather > > Last year I trawled the Dinton PR's for family names and SAUNDERS was one > of > them (not so Welford, I'm afraid). You may be interested in the following > from the PR's - I think they are the family you are interested in: > > 1794: Francis SAUNDERS m. Mary ROGERS (both of Dinton Parish) 5 May 1794 > (Francis = butcher at Ford) > Elizabeth d of above, bap 17 Aug 1794 > Mary d of above, bap 22 Oct 1797 > William, son of above, bap 14 Jun 1801 > Sarah, d of above, bap 10 Jan 1804 > Reuben, son of above, bap 12 Apr 1810 (born 25 Feb 1810) > JOHN, son of above, bap 10 Apr 1814 ******* > James, son of above born ~ 1817 > > 1838: JOHN SAUNDERS (son of Francis- Butcher) of Ford m. Eliza WELFORD of > Westlington 30 Oct 1838 > Joseph, son of above born ~1839 > Francis H., son of above, bap 3 May 1840 > Edwin, son of above, bap 3 Apr 1842 > HENRY, son of above, bap 30 Jun 1844 ******* > John, son of above, bap 14 Jun 1846 (married Ann SPIERS) > Emma, d. of above, bap 29 Oct 1848 > William, son of above, bap 27 Sep 1863? 1853? > > 1865: HENRY SAUNDERS (son of John) m. Ann DEWBERRY 28 Sep 1865 > Emma Clarissa, d. of above, bap 13 Oct 1867 > > I hope the above is of some help. I haven't noticed any replies re > Census. > If you still need same, let me know and I will send what I have of this > family. > > Kind regards > Pat in Western Australia > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005

Hi Pat It's probably related to the length of the document. Years ago I also came across a reference to folios, and thought it meant the number of pages, but according to my dictionary, in law it refers to the number of words. A folio is either 72 or 90 in the UK, or 100 in the USA. Regards John -----Original Message----- From: Pat Ricketts [mailto:ricketts@omninet.net.au] Sent: 09 April 2005 04:48 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] Folios Hi to fellow listers Have received a copy of a Will proved Oxford 1866 of an ancestor. At the end of it "17 folios" is recorded. What exactly does this mean? Is it possible there is further information I can obtain on the Estate etc? Your help much appreciated. Kind regards Pat in Western Australia -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005 ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== View or download up to 20000 archive photos of Buckinghamshire from the Bucks County Council web site at: http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/photo_database -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 07/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 07/04/2005

Hi Heather Last year I trawled the Dinton PR's for family names and SAUNDERS was one of them (not so Welford, I'm afraid). You may be interested in the following from the PR's - I think they are the family you are interested in: 1794: Francis SAUNDERS m. Mary ROGERS (both of Dinton Parish) 5 May 1794 (Francis = butcher at Ford) Elizabeth d of above, bap 17 Aug 1794 Mary d of above, bap 22 Oct 1797 William, son of above, bap 14 Jun 1801 Sarah, d of above, bap 10 Jan 1804 Reuben, son of above, bap 12 Apr 1810 (born 25 Feb 1810) JOHN, son of above, bap 10 Apr 1814 ******* James, son of above born ~ 1817 1838: JOHN SAUNDERS (son of Francis- Butcher) of Ford m. Eliza WELFORD of Westlington 30 Oct 1838 Joseph, son of above born ~1839 Francis H., son of above, bap 3 May 1840 Edwin, son of above, bap 3 Apr 1842 HENRY, son of above, bap 30 Jun 1844 ******* John, son of above, bap 14 Jun 1846 (married Ann SPIERS) Emma, d. of above, bap 29 Oct 1848 William, son of above, bap 27 Sep 1863? 1853? 1865: HENRY SAUNDERS (son of John) m. Ann DEWBERRY 28 Sep 1865 Emma Clarissa, d. of above, bap 13 Oct 1867 I hope the above is of some help. I haven't noticed any replies re Census. If you still need same, let me know and I will send what I have of this family. Kind regards Pat in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: heather smith [mailto:heather.smith983@ntlworld.com] Sent: Saturday, 9 April 2005 6:16 PM To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] (BKM) 1851/1861/1871 census Lookup SAUNDERS Morning all, I wonder if there is SKS who has access to any of the early census who would be willing to lookup Henry SAUNDERS who was born circa 1846 and may be found in Dinton, Bucks. In 1881 he appears as a widower lodging at the Seven Stars, Dinton aged 35. In 1891 he is married to Emma WELFORD, living in Church Road, Dinton with John WELFORD stepson aged 15 Ada WELFORD Step dau. aged 11 Frank SAUNDERS aged 7 Nellie SAUNDERS aged 4 Amos SAUNDERS aged 1 I have found his marriage to Emma Welford in Dec. Qtr. Aylesbury in 1882. A marriage of Henry SAUNDERS aged 21 and Ann DEWBERRY aged 20 in Dinton Sept. 1865 gives his father as John SAUNDERS, Butcher. The WELFORD family are represented at this stage too with one of the witnesses being Mary Ann WELFORD. In 1881 the WELFORD's prove to be quite a mystery. William WELFORD aged 29 unmarried - Head George aged 18 unm - brother Elizabeth aged 28 unm - sister Emma aged 22 unm - sister Alfred aged 11 - nephew Henry aged 7 nephew John aged 5 nephew Elizabeth aged 2 neice Ada aged 1 niece At this stage I can only assume that John and Ada are Emma's illegitimate children I would really appreciate any information on either of these two families. Many thanks, Heather ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== Please do not post long surname lists. Dave Carlsen looks after the Bucks surname list, which is the proper place for such postings. Go to: http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 7/04/2005

> >I now have a copy of the inquest report from the Bucks Herald. > >It seems that God visited the Stewkley area quite frequently in those days! Well, it is an attractive village. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society