Dear Bill, You posted WHEELER as a new interest - Flackwell Heath? Wooburn? Al

>Make a note in your diaries of the one you cannot afford to miss. > On April 23, we lay before you a FEAST of information, 1000 odd books >pictorial, historical and reference, from my own library, plus CDs, >microfiches, etc for everywhere in the British Isles and a few other >areas too. The whole of the Hartwell Day Centre is taken over by tables >and tables of information; we have a separate room for Bucks >information, parish register transcripts, censues, masses of books, many >of them rare, worked pedigrees, and displays by local history groups, >from Stone, Haddenham, Naphill and Walters Ash, Waddesdon and Wolverton >(the railway town). There is a large room with other counties, again, >masses of books and pictures, with a separate room for Scotland, Ireland >and the north; plus information on computer and microform covering the >whole UK (and a little for Australia, America etc). There are lots of >new CDs, including all those issued with magazines in the last year or >so, and our highly trained operators will help you get the item you >want. > There are also stalls where you can buy masses of books, old and new, >guides, staitonery, software, postcards etc and even arrange for your >own family history to be printed inexpensively. Oxford FHS huge range of >microfiche and CDs will be on sale - and for those who have been waiting >eagerly, our own BUCKS 1861 census CD will be unveiled. > There are talks by Eve McLaughlin introducing the resources avaialbel, >Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake on what is, and what is not, available on the net, >and Julian Hunt on what County Archives can offer you. > All day, expert advice will be on tap, helping you sort out your own >knotty problems. There will be light refershments and somewhere to sit >(in the sun, specially ordered) to have a chat with others - and you may >discover new cousins on the day. > The venue is the Hartwell Day Centre, Thame Rd South, on the west side >of Aylesbury. Coming from the town, take the Oxford road (A418), past >the rail bridge and the traffic lights, and turn left into a cul de sac >at the first big roundabout, where the main road turns right and goes >off to Oxford. From the est, at the second roundabout on the edge of >town, go straight ahead instead of turning left, and you are there. >Parking on site, in the LDS carpark next door and in the broad cul de >sac. > Members of BGS free, visitors £1. easy access for disabled to all >rooms. Further details from me at 01844 291631 or e-mail >eve@varneys.demon.co.uk. Map sent for SAE to Varneys, Rudds Lane, >Haddenham, Bucks HP17 8JP. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi Katie Hoping no-one else has sent this to you already off list, I can satisfy the 1851 request. Regards Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield North Crawley Pt.1 1723 316 0002 Hurst End William GOODMAN HD M 52 M Ag. Lab. Crawley BKM Ealoner GOODMAN WI M 56 F Ashton NTH James GOODMAN SO U 19 M Ag. Lab. Crawley BKM Milley GOODMAN DA U 16 F Crawley BKM George GOODMAN NE U 19 M Ag. Lab. Crawley BKM Emily HAINES VI U 2 F Luton BDF I thought you might like the other North Crawley GOODMANs in the 1851 too: North Crawley Pt.2 1723 341 0057 East End William GOODMAN HD M 29 M Farm Lab. North Crawley BKM Sophia GOODMAN WI 27 F Mixbury BKM Elizbeth GOODMAN DA 6 F North Crawley BKM Louaesa GOODMAN DA U 3 F North Crawley BKM Clifton Reynes 1723 567 0013 School Cottage C.R. Henry GOODMAN HD M 39 M Ag. Lab. North Crawley BKM Caroline GOODMAN WI M 32 F Parish Schoolmistrss Woodfad NTH Mary A. GOODMAN DA 11 F Scholar North Crawley BKM William G. GOODMAN SO 10 M Scholar North Crawley BKM Mortlock GOODMAN SO 9 M Scholar North Crawley BKM Elizabeth GOODMAN DA 5 F Clifton Reynes BKM Elizabeth CLARE VI U 60 F Lacemaker Clifton Reynes BKM There's another GOODMAN (John) of Towcester who married a lass (Eliza) from North Crawley. I'll send you that family offlist if you want it. -----Original Message----- From: KATIE BYRNE [mailto:dbyrnek@colchestergirls.essex.sch.uk] Sent: 16 April 2005 11:45 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] Goodman in North Crawley Hi, Would anyone be able to find the following for me in the 1841/51/61 censuses? 1841 - William Goodman - about 19, born in North Crawley + his father, also William Goodman, born about 1798 in North Crawley as well - Thomas Goodman - in his late 60s/70s - probably born in North Crawley as well, had a wife called Mary but she may have died by then, I suppose he may have as well 1851 - William Goodman, born about 1798 North Crawley - I think his wife was called Eleanor, or something similar, although I'm not sure 1861 - William Goodman, born about 1798 North Crawley - Robert and Sarah Green - Robert born in Courteenhall, Northampton in about 1801; Sarah his wife born in about 1800 in Bedford I feel very cheeky for asking for all of this, but I am completely stuck at a dead end otherwise! My thanks in advance, Katie ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== Questions about the list administration? Contact the listowners: Dave Carlsen - davidcarlsen@charter.net (USA); Judith Young - Arkleside@ntlworld.com (UK)

Thanks Eve for explaining why Northants RO has all those fab photocopies on their shelves - generally I find them far easier on the old eyes than fiche or film. However, Northants RO also offers a fiche copying service - £2 per fiche. It costs a lot for a whole parish - from, say, 1500s to 1900s it could be about £50, but one can buy just two or three at a time, good when one's on a budget. Since Northants do this, I thought it odd that Bucks did not. Maybe it's because Northants have copied their registers onto fiche in the first place and Bucks have used film, so for Bucks to put them all onto fiche as well would be prohibitive. I'm only guessing here but how I wish they could make fiche copies available. As I've said in another message, it looks like the 'trustworthy' transcriptions you mention are going to be the only option and the 'primary source' research we're exhorted to do is nigh impossible for many. Thanks again Celia In Chesterfield -----Original Message----- From: Eve McLaughlin [mailto:eve@varneys.demon.co.uk] Sent: 15 April 2005 12:24 To: Celia Renshaw Cc: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKM] Parish registers on fiche > >It does seem rather odd that if Northants supplies copies, Bucks doesn't.. No, this stems from a complicated leasing arrangement which Northants had for a photocopier, many years ago. They had to pay x (large) pounds a month for a set maximum quota whether they used the copier or not, so they made sure they did take up the full quota, by copying all the BTs, systematically. Result was good for them =- they got the value, and very good for researchers, because there were sets of copies of every parish sitting on a shelf, at hand. Presumably they are now duplicating and selling these copies. The copier company withdrew the arrangement. Bucks didn't use the same system - and there is a general Archive rule that actual parchment and any bound volumes cannot be copied (using normal copiers) - so while you vould probably arrange for a film to be made, at serious cost, there will not be photocopies now. Our own (BGS) transcribed registers are normally carefully checked - I did most of the older period ones and have checked personally some of the later ones. Where copies are unchecked, we usually say so. I do know that some other transcriptions have been issued where there are gaps and omissions. If you can borrow that car again and come down to Aylesbury for our Family History Feast on April 23, you will be able to see all the livrary transcriptions. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi, Would anyone be able to find the following for me in the 1841/51/61 censuses? 1841 - William Goodman - about 19, born in North Crawley + his father, also William Goodman, born about 1798 in North Crawley as well - Thomas Goodman - in his late 60s/70s - probably born in North Crawley as well, had a wife called Mary but she may have died by then, I suppose he may have as well 1851 - William Goodman, born about 1798 North Crawley - I think his wife was called Eleanor, or something similar, although I'm not sure 1861 - William Goodman, born about 1798 North Crawley - Robert and Sarah Green - Robert born in Courteenhall, Northampton in about 1801; Sarah his wife born in about 1800 in Bedford I feel very cheeky for asking for all of this, but I am completely stuck at a dead end otherwise! My thanks in advance, Katie

In message <008401c541c7$8f167c40$78058351@Jellicoe>, John Brown <john.dehavilland@btinternet.com> writes > "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> wrote : > > >>I've just been looking at the 3 institutions in Aylesbury for which >>separate census >returns were made: the workhouse, prison, & hospital. The >>enumerator for each was >the head of the institution: the master of the >>workhouse, the governor of the prison, & >the hospitals resident surgeon. >>The workhouse is recorded in clear & elegant, if >somewhat elaborate, >>script. The prison in a more workmanlike, but still pretty good, >hand. The >>hospital is an illegible scrawl. > >So doctors always wrote like that, not only in recent times :-) I have a couple of pages of early C19 medical accounts re the local prison, which are, shall we say, a challenge. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

"Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> wrote : >I've just been looking at the 3 institutions in Aylesbury for which >separate census >returns were made: the workhouse, prison, & hospital. The >enumerator for each was >the head of the institution: the master of the >workhouse, the governor of the prison, & >the hospitals resident surgeon. >The workhouse is recorded in clear & elegant, if >somewhat elaborate, >script. The prison in a more workmanlike, but still pretty good, >hand. The >hospital is an illegible scrawl. So doctors always wrote like that, not only in recent times :-) John B Leic., Eng

> >It does seem rather odd that if Northants supplies copies, Bucks doesn't.. No, this stems from a complicated leasing arrangement which Northants had for a photocopier, many years ago. They had to pay x (large) pounds a month for a set maximum quota whether they used the copier or not, so they made sure they did take up the full quota, by copying all the BTs, systematically. Result was good for them =- they got the value, and very good for researchers, because there were sets of copies of every parish sitting on a shelf, at hand. Presumably they are now duplicating and selling these copies. The copier company withdrew the arrangement. Bucks didn't use the same system - and there is a general Archive rule that actual parchment and any bound volumes cannot be copied (using normal copiers) - so while you vould probably arrange for a film to be made, at serious cost, there will not be photocopies now. Our own (BGS) transcribed registers are normally carefully checked - I did most of the older period ones and have checked personally some of the later ones. Where copies are unchecked, we usually say so. I do know that some other transcriptions have been issued where there are gaps and omissions. If you can borrow that car again and come down to Aylesbury for our Family History Feast on April 23, you will be able to see all the livrary transcriptions. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Forget it folks - I`ve sorted it out. Charlotte was born `Goodgame` and married James TARBOX in 1855. Sorry to bother you all.

Hi Listers, Help please....... From the 1871 Census : Robert Walduck 1825 Drayton Parslow Charlotte 1833 Ludgershall Josiah Walduck 1865 son of Rbt. Pattey Walduck 1849 dau of Rbt. Sarah Walduck 1871 G dau (probably Patteys) James Tarbox 1859 son of Charlotte ) born D Parslow George Tarbox 1861 son of Charlotte ) " " Fred Tarbox 1865 son of Charlotte ) " " Could someone tell me if Charlotte was a widow or were her sons illegitimate? The reason I ask is because she has Kate & Elizabeth in 1869. They don`t actually show on the 1871 Census but do a year later although the Walducks do not. I`m confused.........................................Thanks

Can anyone tell me if it is possible to buy CD, fiche or photocopies of Bucks parish registers and, if so, where from? I would like to buy copies of the original registers in order to do that primary research which is so recommended - and from Northants Archives I can buy parish registers on fiche. A bit pricey but they are available. The Centre for Bucks Studies told me they do not provide this service and, unless my eyes deceive me, it is not available from Bucks FHS or BGS either. It appears that all I can get are transcriptions and while these are valuable (and I'm now helping to produce them), I would like to buy copies of the original records for my most important parishes. I looked at the National Archives service but they charge a tenner just to estimate the cost of giving you what you want. It does seem rather odd that if Northants supplies copies, Bucks doesn't.. Any help or advice on this would be much appreciated. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK

I wonder why Paul comments "typical" for an apparent mistake made by a transcriber? What was the quality of the original handwriting? Although I don't THINK I would have selected "Nasim" as a name choice, I can well understand how it came about. Many a time a pinched o looks just like an s, and some writers' minims could be interpreted as nn, mi, im, or even wi, iw, and additionally with the dot the i being placed anywhere to left, right or immediately above there are many combinations available to the transcriber. If the transcriber is a first-timer and has only just come into the job, it may take many hours before the writing idiosyncrasies become more easily apparent. I felt that the bit of a sneer that was implied was unnecessary, unkind and intolerant. All transcribers are trying to be helpful and to be accurate in a voluntary capacity. So, Paul --- maybe accepting occasional human frailty in our well-intentioned and hard-working transcribers should be your creed for the future. Geoff Ford Sydney NSW Transcriber 1851 Census Kea and 1851 Census Feock Cornwall Online Census Project http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kayhin/ukocp.html OPC for Kea Parish Church ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Irving" <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] PARADINE c1850-1900 I'd say more than "might have been". "Very probably". The IGI, 1871 (apart from mistranscribing Naomi as Nasim - typical!), 1881 (LDS, free online at www.familysearch.org, as is the IGI) & 1891 censuses & my (incomplete) list of Bucks Paradine marriages all seem to agree. The marriage certificate (£7 from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/ with the reference, which is on http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ ) will give her fathers name. Her birth certificate would give her mothers maiden name. The Bucks FHS (www.bucksfhs.org.uk) will sell you a CD of the 1851 census, which should show George & Naomi with their parents, for a very modest price, & for a little more the Bucks GS (www.bucksgs.org.uk) will sell you CDs of the 1891 census, showing Lizzie & Henry married & producing progeny, & the 1861 census, which I haven't yet seen because it's not yet been published. On sale April 23rd, I believe. You should be able to trace Paradine back quite a way in that area. Greens in the Luton area might be more difficult to identify, as the name's more common. Paul hey wyre wrote: > I am searching for a Lizzie PARADINE that was born (possibly) in Pitstone, > Buck c1866. Parents might have been George and Naomi > > Lizzie married a Henry (Harry) Egbert GREEN in about 1886 > > Any connections out there? > > Judy > BC Canada > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > To view recent downloadable photos of Bucks churches and village scenes, > courtesy of Peter and Kevin Quick, visit: > http://www.countyviews.com > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 13/04/05

In message <425EC773.9010606@ntlworld.com>, Paul Irving <pauljirving@ntlworld.com> writes >I've just been looking at the 3 institutions in Aylesbury for which >separate census returns were made: the workhouse, prison, & hospital. >The enumerator for each was the head of the institution: the master of >the workhouse, the governor of the prison, & the hospitals resident >surgeon. The workhouse is recorded in clear & elegant, if somewhat >elaborate, script. The prison in a more workmanlike, but still pretty >good, hand. The hospital is an illegible scrawl. Doctor's writing, isn't it? -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

I've just been looking at the 3 institutions in Aylesbury for which separate census returns were made: the workhouse, prison, & hospital. The enumerator for each was the head of the institution: the master of the workhouse, the governor of the prison, & the hospitals resident surgeon. The workhouse is recorded in clear & elegant, if somewhat elaborate, script. The prison in a more workmanlike, but still pretty good, hand. The hospital is an illegible scrawl. Paul -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.10 - Release Date: 14/04/05

Hello All, I've recently come across the following webpage from the British Library. Apologies if you're already aware of it but I thought it rather interesting: http://www.collectbritain.co.uk/collections/dialects/ It is an extensive collection of recordings, some from the 1950s and some from 1990s, of regional accents - I've found a few from Bucks in the mix. Included with the recordings are some notes on the vocabulary used. Kind regards, Rose

And thanks to you (& Eve & Heather) for the checking. Those were the worst sections. The rest was easier. Paul Covatina@aol.com wrote: >I'd like to add my thanks too. Having seen the writing and conditions (or >lack of them on some pages) I can only marvel at how Paul has stuck to it. > >Eileen > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >View or download up to 20000 archive photos of Buckinghamshire from the Bucks County Council web site at: http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/photo_database > > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.10 - Release Date: 14/04/05

Aye! And I checked every letter to be sure my eyes weren't deceiving me. I'm pretty darn sure this IS the name. It made me wonder if perhaps it was the 100th entry in the register or some such. I'll admit I didn't count the entries to check though. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield -----Original Message----- From: Eve McLaughlin [mailto:eve@varneys.demon.co.uk] Sent: 14 April 2005 00:01 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BKM] Brackley Wesleyan Methodist Registers 3rd posting >No. 52 - 24 Dec 1839 Alfred Centesimus? Son of Richard & Ann CARTER of >Buckingham age 5 mths (by John Coates) > That ought to mean 'hundredth' - OK, they had long families, but this is ridiculous -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== View or download up to 20000 archive photos of Buckinghamshire from the Bucks County Council web site at: http://www.buckscc.gov.uk/photo_database

Thanks to the wonderful May Lanchbury, the Waddesdon census for 1841 may now be viewed at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lanchbury/waddesdon1841.html A link should soon be added from Genuki, thanks to Kevin Quick, who maintains the Genuki Bucks page. Where he puts the link is up to him, but I think the parish page is most likely. Granborough will follow very soon. I've just started looking at Aylesbury, so don't expect that in a hurry. NB. If anyone spots an error, please tell me directly. Paul ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using mcAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Thank you to all who replied. I have now ordered the certificate from Southport for £7. Best wishes CAL

I'd like to add my thanks too. Having seen the writing and conditions (or lack of them on some pages) I can only marvel at how Paul has stuck to it. Eileen