Heather asked:- > I have no connection with this name but does anyone know the > origin. I would be interested to know. I have a vague memory of reading about this somewhere. IIRC, in the distant and barbaric past it was the practice to drive a stake through the foot of a servant (or slave?) who tried to escape to a better life. The name Puddifoot derives somehow from this. Although Google turned up the odd Puddephatt genealogy, none of the writers gave any indication of the origin. Never mind - I'm sure the incredibly well-informed Eve will come up with a definitive answer in due course. Mike

I can't seem to find the parents of my Harry born c1865 I believe in Luton, Beds The 1871 census has him living with his grandmother Mary (??) GREEN and her two daughters, Mary A GREEN, and Elizabeth and another "grandson", Edwin In the 1881 census, Harry is living with (what looks like) John FENN, Mary Ann GREEN, her sister, Elizabeth and Edwin (again) but he is listed as a "visitor" By 1891 he is married to Lizzie and has two children of his own. In 1881, both Mary A (58) and Elizabeth (43) are listed as unmarried - same with 1871 Is there anyother way of checking other than ordering his birth certificate? Judy BC Canada

Seems to be the winner !! Thanks to everyone that responded - you are a wonderful crowd to be around Judy BC Canada

<<If anyone can help point me in the right direction for tracking down a particular will, I would be EXTREMEly grateful, since I'm stuck. I think I'm probably overlooking some very obvious something here. If a will isn't held by the (seemingly) logical county records office, is there some other entity that might hold it?>> Hello Sandy, probate jurisdictions were hierarchical, and reflected the organisation of the church. If the dead person resided in the Archdeaconry of Buckingham (which was the same area as the county of Bucks) and owned no property outside the archdeaconry then his will was proved at the court of the Archdeacon of Buckingham. If the dead person owned property outside the archdeaconry of Buckingham, but within the diocese of Lincoln (which was a very large one, at this date including the counties of Lincoln, Leicester, Northampton, Huntingdon, Buckingham, Oxford, Bedford and part of Hertfordshire - which is why the will mentions the mother church of Lincoln, a very common provision at this period), then the will would be proved at the consistory court of Lincoln. (In practice few Bucks wills were proved there). If the dead person owned property outside the diocese of Lincon then the will would be proved at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury, a court of the Archbishop of Canterbury. Quite a few Bucks will have been proved there, and it wouldn't be at all surprising for the will of a member of the gentry like Nicholas Woodliffe to be proved there There were also parishes or areas - called peculiars - whose residents' wills (if they owned no property outside the peculiar) were proved at the peculiar court - usually run by some other person or body, usually an ecclesiastical dignitary or corporation of some sort. I don't think either Peterley, Prestwood or Great Missenden was a peculiar. If property outside the jurisdiction was worth less than £5 then it didn't count and the will could be proved at the lower court - though the limit did vary and often was just ignored. The Archdeaconry wills are kept at the Bucks County Record Office, the diocesan wills at the Lincoln County Record Office and the PCC wills at the PRO. The PCC can now be accessed over the internet, I believe, and I think there is also an on-line catalogue. I'm not sure whether there are on-line calendars of the other two categories of will (there are certainly printed calendars of both), but I'm fairly sure neither is accessible on-line, however. Regards, Matt

I have no connection with this name but does anyone know the origin. I would be interested to know. Heather

The U.S. And while I'm in a fairly good-sized city, I've checked the online catalogues and neither my city nor any of the university libraries seems to have it. So if anyone on the list happens to be in a library which has it, and if it isn't too much trouble to check on Nicholas Woodliffe for me, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Sandy On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, at 04:43 PM, Paul Irving wrote: > Where are you? The local library here in Reading has this book - > > "Buckinghamshire Probate Records 1483-1660 & Peculiars 1420-1660" > Pub. The British Record Society, London, 2001. ISBN 0 901 505 42 0 > > If you're in Bucks or a neighbouring county, the local library might > have it. A very useful book, as are the similar volumes for other > counties. I only wish they'd do a post-1660 one for Bucks, as they have > done for Oxfordshire. One day . . > > Paul > > Sandy wrote: > >> On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, at 01:11 PM, Tompkins, M.L. wrote: >> >>> The Archdeaconry wills are kept at the Bucks County Record Office, >>> the diocesan wills at the Lincoln County Record Office and the PCC >>> wills at the PRO. The PCC can now be accessed over the internet, I >>> believe, and I think there is also an on-line catalogue. I'm not >>> sure whether there are on-line calendars of the other two categories >>> of will (there are certainly printed calendars of both), but I'm >>> fairly sure neither is accessible on-line, however. >> >> >> Many thanks (again), Matt. >> >> The PRO online catalog does not list the will of Nicholas Woodliffe >> among those it holds, so it appears it was not proved at the >> Prerogative Court of Canterbury. >> >> Since the Lincoln County Records Office previously told me the will >> was not there (although granted, I did not specify it might be a >> diocesan will), my next guess is that it may have been an archdeaconry >> will, hence kept at Bucks Record Office. >> >> So, a plea to the list..... >> if anyone has a listing of the archdeaconry of Buckingham wills, would >> you please (pretty please?) check it for me for Nicholas Woodliffe ca >> 1510 (or thereabouts). >> >> Meanwhile, thank you again, Matt, >> >> Sandy >> > >> >> >> ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >> As of 30 December 2004: 386 list subscribers >> 175 digest subscribers >> 561 total subscribers >> >> >> > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.0 - Release Date: 20/04/05 > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > Advertising for financial gain is not permitted on this List, although > subscribers may include a link to their website in their signature. >

On Wednesday, April 20, 2005, at 01:11 PM, Tompkins, M.L. wrote: > The Archdeaconry wills are kept at the Bucks County Record Office, the > diocesan wills at the Lincoln County Record Office and the PCC wills at > the PRO. The PCC can now be accessed over the internet, I believe, and > I think there is also an on-line catalogue. I'm not sure whether there > are on-line calendars of the other two categories of will (there are > certainly printed calendars of both), but I'm fairly sure neither is > accessible on-line, however. Many thanks (again), Matt. The PRO online catalog does not list the will of Nicholas Woodliffe among those it holds, so it appears it was not proved at the Prerogative Court of Canterbury. Since the Lincoln County Records Office previously told me the will was not there (although granted, I did not specify it might be a diocesan will), my next guess is that it may have been an archdeaconry will, hence kept at Bucks Record Office. So, a plea to the list..... if anyone has a listing of the archdeaconry of Buckingham wills, would you please (pretty please?) check it for me for Nicholas Woodliffe ca 1510 (or thereabouts). Meanwhile, thank you again, Matt, Sandy >

Thanks Hazel, Lindy and Mike. I have just collected a whole bunch of Puddephatts (19thC) connected to my Stanners family. Not that easy to research, Lindy, all sorts of spellings in the census returns, not even Soundex finds them all!. My lot are centered round Markyate Street, Studham if anyone else is interested. Glad to hear from you if you think it WORTH (!) comparing notes. John (Stanners)

Thanks Mike for those few kind words, us cousins [not forgetting Jenny Peel] must stick together in this cruel world <grin> Dotty >Hazel reminded us:- > >>John Harold and John Leslie abandoned the surname PUDDEPHATT and assumed >>the surname WORTH > >I'm not surprised. The Puddephatt clan (various spellings) were, according >to my late father, best avoided (although I have to say that one of my >distant cousins - of this list - is descended from one and she seems a very >nice person.) There were Puddephatts all over the Bucks/Herts border >country in the 19th century, and still about forty in the HP postcode >district - according to the phone book. > >Mike

Cheeky blighters <grin> How dare you laugh at one of my ancestors. Her name was Caroline and m. a William Blunt and their descendants are scattered all over the world. They are both buried in Great Missenden churchyard. Dorothy > Hi Hazel, > > That's a very interesting name, when I was trawling through the Chesham > parish records, that name kept cropping up, thought it would be nice to > have a connection :-)) Lovely name to trace! > > Ha! Ha! > > Wish some of mine were so uncommon! > > Lindy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Hazel.Rogan@tvu.ac.uk [mailto:Hazel.Rogan@tvu.ac.uk] > > > Sent: 20 April 2005 10:43 AM > > > To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [BKM] WORTH formerly PUDDEPHATT > > > > > > Not sure if this is of any interest to anyone but trawling through the > > > London Gazette archive I came across this entry; > > > > > > > > > > > > London Gazette dated 3rd December 1919 > > > > > > > > > > > > John Harold and John Leslie abandoned the surname PUDDEPHATT and assumed > > > the surname WORTH > > > > > > Address; > > > > > > 11 Lexham Gardens > > > > > > AMERSHAM COMMON > > > > > > Buckinghamshire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hazel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > > > Questions about the list administration? Contact the listowners: > > > Dave Carlsen - davidcarlsen@charter.net (USA); Judith Young - > > > Arkleside@ntlworld.com (UK) > > >==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== >Advertising for financial gain is not permitted on this List, although >subscribers may include a link to their website in their signature.

Is there SKS who could possibly check the marriage of GEORGE HODGES and SARAH KING on 22 January 1866? I need to know the name of Sarah's father. Thank you so much, Jenny

Hazel reminded us:- > John Harold and John Leslie abandoned the surname PUDDEPHATT and assumed > the surname WORTH I'm not surprised. The Puddephatt clan (various spellings) were, according to my late father, best avoided (although I have to say that one of my distant cousins - of this list - is descended from one and she seems a very nice person.) There were Puddephatts all over the Bucks/Herts border country in the 19th century, and still about forty in the HP postcode district - according to the phone book. Mike

Hi Ian In the 1851 census, a search for PREECE gives only the following results, but I think you have got your John from Herefordshire here in the second family. When I saw the first family, I hunted for the unnamed parents but in the end had to conclude that the enumerator actually noted these families the other way round and did schedule 60 before schedule 59, so the children belong to servant John of Herefordshire. The oldest child John fits with the list of children for John snr that you gave. Gt.Brickhill Pt.2 1723 081 0059 John PREECE SO 7 M Gt.Brickhill BKM William PREECE SO 5 M Gt.Brickhill BKM Sarah PREECE DA 3 F Gt.Brickhill BKM Rebeccca LAWSON SV 24 F Servant Gt.Brickhill BKM 1723 081 0060 Sir Henry Bart. FOULIS HD U 50 M Rector Gt.Brickhill Ingleby YKS Mary Ann SNEATH SV U 59 F Servant Cottesmore RUT John PREECE SV W 38 M Servant Abedon HEF Edwin HARRIS SV U 19 M Servant Gt.Brickhill BKM Mary Ann SMITH SV M 48 F Servant Yelvertopp NTH Hannah JEFFS SV U 22 F Servant Hardwick BKM Hope this helps a little. Celia Renshaw In Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: Ian Preece [mailto:ian@preece67.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 20 April 2005 11:21 To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BKM] PREECE families in Buckinghamshire? Greetings all. I am looking for a Preece family, and having difficulty locating them earlier than 1861. They were in Ealing, Brentford, Middlesex in 1861. There was John(43), Ellen(33), Ann(11), Thomas(8), Ellen(4) and Eliza(2). John is said to be born in Herefordshire, Ellen in Amersham, Bucks. In later census returns their daughter Ann was born in either Bucks or Middlesex. Ellen was Morton (or possibly Horton) prior to the marriage. I have a suspicion that Ellen may not be John's first wife. Any sightings of them or their children earlier than 1861 would be much appreciated. Many thanks in advance for any help you can give. Ian Preece

Hi Hazel, That's a very interesting name, when I was trawling through the Chesham parish records, that name kept cropping up, thought it would be nice to have a connection :-)) Lovely name to trace! Ha! Ha! Wish some of mine were so uncommon! Lindy > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hazel.Rogan@tvu.ac.uk [mailto:Hazel.Rogan@tvu.ac.uk] > > Sent: 20 April 2005 10:43 AM > > To: BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BKM] WORTH formerly PUDDEPHATT > > > > Not sure if this is of any interest to anyone but trawling through the > > London Gazette archive I came across this entry; > > > > > > > > London Gazette dated 3rd December 1919 > > > > > > > > John Harold and John Leslie abandoned the surname PUDDEPHATT and assumed > > the surname WORTH > > > > Address; > > > > 11 Lexham Gardens > > > > AMERSHAM COMMON > > > > Buckinghamshire > > > > > > > > > > > > Hazel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > > Questions about the list administration? Contact the listowners: > > Dave Carlsen - davidcarlsen@charter.net (USA); Judith Young - > > Arkleside@ntlworld.com (UK)

If anyone can help point me in the right direction for tracking down a particular will, I would be EXTREMEly grateful, since I'm stuck. I think I'm probably overlooking some very obvious something here. If a will isn't held by the (seemingly) logical county records office, is there some other entity that might hold it? This isn't a Bucks will, however the testator is a Nicholas Woodliffe, believed to be the same Nicholas listed in a pedigree as the father of Robert Woodliffe of Peterley Manor, Prestwood, Bucks. This will is referenced within a genealogy published some 20 years ago. The compiler doesn't list the specific date the will was written or settled. However, she states that Nicholas died 1510 and was buried in the Church of the Virgin Mary (formerly Church of Our Lady), at Henley-on-Thames, Oxfordshire. (So, silly me, I thought the will must be in Oxfordshire, but not so, per an archivist there.) The compiler does provide a fair amount of detail of the contents of the will, saying that in it Nicholas names a son Christopher, a daughter Joanna and a sister Margaret Forrest. She also states that he mentions the "mother church" at Lincoln (which seems to be her basis for thinking Nicholas may have come from Lincs). (SOoooo....silly me, when it wasn't in Oxfordshire, I thought it must be in Lincs. Wrong again!) Are there other places besides those records offices that I should know (but don't) to check ? I do think it's possible the compiler consulted a published abstract of the will, rather than necessarily the will itself. She just offers the information about the will; she doesn't say where she found it. I have a hunch the will (or its abstract) ought to be in a fairly obvious place that I'm just overlooking - that hunch based upon the nature of the other material within her genealogy. I'd be very (very, very!) grateful for any suggestions. Thanks, Sandy >

Greetings all. I am looking for a Preece family, and having difficulty locating them earlier than 1861. They were in Ealing, Brentford, Middlesex in 1861. There was John(43), Ellen(33), Ann(11), Thomas(8), Ellen(4) and Eliza(2). John is said to be born in Herefordshire, Ellen in Amersham, Bucks. In later census returns their daughter Ann was born in either Bucks or Middlesex. Ellen was Morton (or possibly Horton) prior to the marriage. I have a suspicion that Ellen may not be John's first wife. Any sightings of them or their children earlier than 1861 would be much appreciated. Many thanks in advance for any help you can give. Ian Preece -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005

Not sure if this is of any interest to anyone but trawling through the London Gazette archive I came across this entry; London Gazette dated 3rd December 1919 John Harold and John Leslie abandoned the surname PUDDEPHATT and assumed the surname WORTH Address; 11 Lexham Gardens AMERSHAM COMMON Buckinghamshire Hazel

Maybe something to do with "Rural Sanitary District"???? Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "hey wyre" <heywyre2002@hotmail.com> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: [BKM] GREENs in Pitstone, Bucks >I have just received the birth certificate of my husband's grandfather and >where he was born was Pitstone, Bucks "RSD" > > Can anyone tell me what the RSD stand for - is it residence? meaning he > was born at home? > > Judy > BC Canada > > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > To view recent downloadable photos of Bucks churches and village scenes, > courtesy of Peter and Kevin Quick, visit: > http://www.countyviews.com >

Thanks Gillian and Denise, that does indeed tie up a loose end, I do have Lucy's younger sister Kate in 1881 at "the premises of Leonard Watson, (a General Draper employing 3 assistants and 4 apprentices) 63-66 Mortimer Street, Herne, Kent; as a Servant and Apprentice Dressmaker" so it is possible that Kate ended up looking after Lucy (who is often seen as Mary Jane - the 'Lucy' seems to have been dropped in general usage within the family) after their grandmother died. Now, and I know this is the wrong list but does anyone know whether Herne is or was in Blean District? Thanks again, Alan Plato Melbourne, Australia

Dear Eileen, i have only just started my research i have my family on the 1881 census thus Willm. SMITH Head M Male 20 Marsworth, Buckingham, England Lab (G) Elizabeth SMITH Wife M Female 20 Tring, Hertford, England Joseph SMITH Son Male 6 m Tring, Hertford, England. Any help would be so kind.Thanks again. Keith in Malta. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Covatina@aol.com> To: <BUCKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] SMITH FAMILY from MARSWORTH > Hi Keith, > > Could you give us a bit more info? Like names and dates, we can then > look > up certain census records in line with your dates. > > Eileen > > > ==== BUCKS Mailing List ==== > As of 30 December 2004: 386 list subscribers > 175 digest subscribers > 561 total subscribers