Hello Listers, Can someone please look up a marriage that was bonded in 1724 for John Badrick (of Chearsley) and Elizabeth Blake (of Horton), not to sure were they where married. They settled back, in Chearsley Regards Andrea

Hi Stewart, Thank you so much for your help. I shall try his email. Regards, Pat -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stewart Mold Sent: Friday, 13 July 2007 1:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKM] WOOD You could try David Inns at [email protected] If he hasn't allready been in touch that is. Regards, Stewart Mold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: [BKM] WOOD > Hi all, > > I am trying to establish more exacting details > about my GGGG Grandmother Elizabeth WOOD. She > married John BUTCHER on the 18th October 1787 in > Middle Claydon, Buckinghamshire, and died/ buried > 8th February 1795 aged 28. Making her birth around > 1767. > > Now there is - > 1) a marriage in Thornborough of a Thomas Wood and > Elizabeth INNS 1768 >

You could try David Inns at [email protected] If he hasn't allready been in touch that is. Regards, Stewart Mold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wade" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 5:52 AM Subject: [BKM] WOOD > Hi all, > > I am trying to establish more exacting details > about my GGGG Grandmother Elizabeth WOOD. She > married John BUTCHER on the 18th October 1787 in > Middle Claydon, Buckinghamshire, and died/ buried > 8th February 1795 aged 28. Making her birth around > 1767. > > Now there is - > 1) a marriage in Thornborough of a Thomas Wood and > Elizabeth INNS 1768 > > 2) a baptism of an Elizabeth Wood on the 30th Nov > 1766 in North Marston with parents John and Mary > WOOD. > > In favour of the 1768 marriage - A grandchild of > John BUTCHER and Elizabeth WOOD had the middle > name of INNS. (Mary Inns BUTCHER the daughter of > William BUTCHER and Mary FLETCHER - I have not > confirmed Mary FLETCHER's parents but could be > Joseph FLETCHER and Martha?? - so maybe the INNS > comes from here somewhere??) > > In favour of the 1766 birth - John BUTCHER & > Elizabeth Wood's first daughter is Mary also their > third son is Thomas. Also North Marston is closer > to Middle Claydon than Thornborough. > > All the above reasons are very "fine" at best and > definitely not conclusive. > > So my next thought was to ask if anyone is > researching either of the above events, which > would then probably eliminate them as a > possibility? > > Also maybe to ask if anyone has come across the > birth of an Elizabeth WOOD that I have not yet > found?? Is anyone researching the family of John > BUTCHER and Elizabeth WOOD? > > Thank you > > Regards, > Pat Wade (Nee King) > > > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > >

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Al Sent: 12 July 2007 14:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [BKM] HARRIS, BECK Marriages Hi, Has anyone got the full details of the following marriages?:- William HARRIS Q4 1846 Wycombe Reg District Mary BECK Q4 1846 Wycombe Reg District Thanks In Advance, Al *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/897 - Release Date: 11/07/2007 21:57 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.4/897 - Release Date: 11/07/2007 21:57

Hi, Has anyone got the full details of the following marriages?:- William HARRIS Q4 1846 Wycombe Reg District Mary BECK Q4 1846 Wycombe Reg District Thanks In Advance, Al

Hi all, I am trying to establish more exacting details about my GGGG Grandmother Elizabeth WOOD. She married John BUTCHER on the 18th October 1787 in Middle Claydon, Buckinghamshire, and died/ buried 8th February 1795 aged 28. Making her birth around 1767. Now there is - 1) a marriage in Thornborough of a Thomas Wood and Elizabeth INNS 1768 2) a baptism of an Elizabeth Wood on the 30th Nov 1766 in North Marston with parents John and Mary WOOD. In favour of the 1768 marriage - A grandchild of John BUTCHER and Elizabeth WOOD had the middle name of INNS. (Mary Inns BUTCHER the daughter of William BUTCHER and Mary FLETCHER - I have not confirmed Mary FLETCHER's parents but could be Joseph FLETCHER and Martha?? - so maybe the INNS comes from here somewhere??) In favour of the 1766 birth - John BUTCHER & Elizabeth Wood's first daughter is Mary also their third son is Thomas. Also North Marston is closer to Middle Claydon than Thornborough. All the above reasons are very "fine" at best and definitely not conclusive. So my next thought was to ask if anyone is researching either of the above events, which would then probably eliminate them as a possibility? Also maybe to ask if anyone has come across the birth of an Elizabeth WOOD that I have not yet found?? Is anyone researching the family of John BUTCHER and Elizabeth WOOD? Thank you Regards, Pat Wade (Nee King)

Dianne, Thank you so much for your input and addressees, I will get onto it. Again thanks, Jenette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne Sutton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] James NEW > Jenette, > > If you can ascertain when he was buried you will have a date to find a > death certificate with. > > If you believe him to have been buried "at the Burnham Church Cemetery" > then you should see if you can find his burial in the Burials Register. > > http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/Burnham/ tells us that the > registers for St. Peter, Burnham have been deposited in the > Buckinghamshire Record Office in Aylesbury but they > don't seem to go as late as 1945 so you'd need to find someone locally > who can check the current register for you with the incumbent. > > But I see that there is also a St Mary's Burnham: > > http://www.stmarysburnham.org.uk/ > > so you may need to find where any Burial Registers are located. > > Burnham appears to be in South Bucks Council area: > http://www.southbucks.gov.uk/ > > so you could try contacting them first and ask which burial places were > in use around 1945 to ascertain which locations you need to check. > > Burnham seems to be/have been in the Eton registration district and near > the boundary with Berkshire and I see that information relating to the > Weslyan Methodist Church in Burnham is held at Berkshire Records Office > so are you sure James was CofE else you may need to look over in > Berkshire for burial information. > > > > JENETTE wrote: > > Matin, thank you for looking for the death of James New, I appreciate > your > > time. > > I was told by family members that Burnham was where he died, however, > one > > has to have proof. Looks like I will have to look elsewhere. > > Thanks, > > Jenette > > > >>>> JENETTE wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Would SKS please be able to look up the death record for James NEW, > >>>>> born 23/10/1928 at Burnham, Bucks. He was the son of Elsie and > >>>>> James NEW. I believe James Jnr. is buried at the Burnham Church > >>>>> Cemetery. I have not been able to find this death on findmyfamily > >>>>> site or BDM. I hope to purchase the death certificate of James New. > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Gill I have no idea, I have been able to trace my Darnell's back to 1790s to a Joseph & Charlotte Darnell living in Wrestlingworth Bedfordshire where my G G Grandfather Samuel Darnell was born in 1813 & I know a lot about him but not all regards Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "gill-holland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] John Gurnett > Hi Keith, do you have a Frances Darnell Christened 12 May 1691 in Adstock > Bucks in your line? Or her father Francis Darnell Born c 1660 place > unknown. > Gillian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Darnell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:37 AM > Subject: [BKM] John Gurnett > > >> G/Day I am trying to find John Gurnett if anyone knows him please let him >> know I am have some information for him about the Gurnetts Keith >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/893 - Release Date: 7/9/2007 > 5:22 PM > >

Firebird. Thank you for your input re;- James New's death, I will look for hospitals in the vicinity, I hadn't thought of the hospitals. Many thanks Jenette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Fw: Public Records (death) > JENETTE wrote: > >> Hi Firebird > > Hi > >> Thanks for your reply, yes, James New died around 1945 so I have been >> told, >> however, I do have to have the correct date so a certificate can be >> acquired, James died of an incurable disease, this is the reason for >> getting the death certificate. > > The only possible matches I could find were for > > Arthur J NEW age 13 death registered in Bermondsey (1d 101) Mar qtr 1941. > > Jean NEW age 18 death registered in Watford (4b 201) Sept qtr 1946 > > The ages are right in both cases. > > Was James registered or baptised as Arthur James? Could he have > acquired an additional Christian name at some point? > > Jean is less likely to be right but it might be a mistranscription > since the GRO compiles the indexes from information from the local > registry offices. > > Deaths are registered where they happened and not where the person > usually lived. If James was in a hospital when he died then that > might be the reason why he isn't where you are expecting him to be. > It would seem likely that he would be in a hospital or hospice for his > last days if he was incurable especially if he needed medical care too. > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Matin, thank you for looking for the death of James New, I appreciate your time. I was told by family members that Burnham was where he died, however, one has to have proof. Looks like I will have to look elsewhere. Thanks, Jenette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Samson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] [!! SPAM] Re: Fw: Public Records (death) >I have checked 1943 to 1947 and no sign in BMDs of death of James NEW in > Bucks > > The following found > > 1943 4Q James A NEW, Islington 1b 323 > 1944 2Q James B NEW, 58 yrs, South Shields 10a 595 > 1944 3Q James NEW, 86 yrs, Wrexham 11b 224 > 1945 4Q James NEW, 77 yrs ,Essex SW 4a 106 > 1946 1Q James NEW, 55 yrs, Paddington 1a 97 > 1947 4Q James H NEW, 79 yrs, Hendon 5a 511 > > Perhaps you need to check your date? Did he die elsewhere and was later > buried Burnham? > > Martin > researching ALSFORD family anywhere > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JENETTE" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:25 AM > Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [BKM] Fw: Public Records (death) > > >> Hi Firebird >> >> Thanks for your reply, yes, James New died around 1945 so I have been >> told, >> however, I do have to have the correct date so a certificate can be >> acquired, James died of an incurable disease, this is the reason for >> getting the death certificate. >> Cheers, >> Jenette >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Firebird" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [BKM] Fw: Public Records (death) >> >> >>> JENETTE wrote: >>> >>>> Would SKS please be able to look up the death record for James NEW, >>>> born 23/10/1928 at Burnham, Bucks. He was the son of Elsie and >>>> James NEW. I believe James Jnr. is buried at the Burnham Church >>>> Cemetery. I have not been able to find this death on findmyfamily >>>> site or BDM. I hope to purchase the death certificate of James New. >>>> Any information would be very much appreciated. >>> >>> Are you sure he's dead? My father was born in 1928 and is still very >>> much alive. >>> >>> There wouldn't be much information on the death certificate anyway. >>> Name, age or date of birth, where died, cause of death, name of >>> informant and that's about it. Nothing about any children or parents >>> or wife unless she was the informant. >>> *************************************** >>> >>> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >>> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >>> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Firebird Thanks for your reply, yes, James New died around 1945 so I have been told, however, I do have to have the correct date so a certificate can be acquired, James died of an incurable disease, this is the reason for getting the death certificate. Cheers, Jenette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Firebird" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Fw: Public Records (death) > JENETTE wrote: > >> Would SKS please be able to look up the death record for James NEW, >> born 23/10/1928 at Burnham, Bucks. He was the son of Elsie and >> James NEW. I believe James Jnr. is buried at the Burnham Church >> Cemetery. I have not been able to find this death on findmyfamily >> site or BDM. I hope to purchase the death certificate of James New. >> Any information would be very much appreciated. > > Are you sure he's dead? My father was born in 1928 and is still very > much alive. > > There wouldn't be much information on the death certificate anyway. > Name, age or date of birth, where died, cause of death, name of > informant and that's about it. Nothing about any children or parents > or wife unless she was the informant. > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: JENETTE Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Public Records (death) Hi Listers Would SKS please be able to look up the death record for James NEW, born 23/10/1928 at Burnham, Bucks. He was the son of Elsie and James NEW. I believe James Jnr. is buried at the Burnham Church Cemetery. I have not been able to find this death on findmyfamily site or BDM. I hope to purchase the death certificate of James New. Any information would be very much appreciated. Thank you, Jenette, Victoria, Australia

Jenette, If you can ascertain when he was buried you will have a date to find a death certificate with. If you believe him to have been buried "at the Burnham Church Cemetery" then you should see if you can find his burial in the Burials Register. http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/Burnham/ tells us that the registers for St. Peter, Burnham have been deposited in the Buckinghamshire Record Office in Aylesbury but they don't seem to go as late as 1945 so you'd need to find someone locally who can check the current register for you with the incumbent. But I see that there is also a St Mary's Burnham: http://www.stmarysburnham.org.uk/ so you may need to find where any Burial Registers are located. Burnham appears to be in South Bucks Council area: http://www.southbucks.gov.uk/ so you could try contacting them first and ask which burial places were in use around 1945 to ascertain which locations you need to check. Burnham seems to be/have been in the Eton registration district and near the boundary with Berkshire and I see that information relating to the Weslyan Methodist Church in Burnham is held at Berkshire Records Office so are you sure James was CofE else you may need to look over in Berkshire for burial information. JENETTE wrote: > Matin, thank you for looking for the death of James New, I appreciate your > time. > I was told by family members that Burnham was where he died, however, one > has to have proof. Looks like I will have to look elsewhere. > Thanks, > Jenette >>>> JENETTE wrote: >>>> >>>>> Would SKS please be able to look up the death record for James NEW, >>>>> born 23/10/1928 at Burnham, Bucks. He was the son of Elsie and >>>>> James NEW. I believe James Jnr. is buried at the Burnham Church >>>>> Cemetery. I have not been able to find this death on findmyfamily >>>>> site or BDM. I hope to purchase the death certificate of James New.

Hi Keith, do you have a Frances Darnell Christened 12 May 1691 in Adstock Bucks in your line? Or her father Francis Darnell Born c 1660 place unknown. Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Darnell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: [BKM] John Gurnett > G/Day I am trying to find John Gurnett if anyone knows him please let him > know I am have some information for him about the Gurnetts Keith > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi > > This one perhaps ? > > www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm Yes, that's the one. Thank you. I will put it in My Favorites now.

JENETTE wrote: > Hi Firebird Hi > Thanks for your reply, yes, James New died around 1945 so I have been told, > however, I do have to have the correct date so a certificate can be > acquired, James died of an incurable disease, this is the reason for > getting the death certificate. The only possible matches I could find were for Arthur J NEW age 13 death registered in Bermondsey (1d 101) Mar qtr 1941. Jean NEW age 18 death registered in Watford (4b 201) Sept qtr 1946 The ages are right in both cases. Was James registered or baptised as Arthur James? Could he have acquired an additional Christian name at some point? Jean is less likely to be right but it might be a mistranscription since the GRO compiles the indexes from information from the local registry offices. Deaths are registered where they happened and not where the person usually lived. If James was in a hospital when he died then that might be the reason why he isn't where you are expecting him to be. It would seem likely that he would be in a hospital or hospice for his last days if he was incurable especially if he needed medical care too.

I have checked 1943 to 1947 and no sign in BMDs of death of James NEW in Bucks The following found 1943 4Q James A NEW, Islington 1b 323 1944 2Q James B NEW, 58 yrs, South Shields 10a 595 1944 3Q James NEW, 86 yrs, Wrexham 11b 224 1945 4Q James NEW, 77 yrs ,Essex SW 4a 106 1946 1Q James NEW, 55 yrs, Paddington 1a 97 1947 4Q James H NEW, 79 yrs, Hendon 5a 511 Perhaps you need to check your date? Did he die elsewhere and was later buried Burnham? Martin researching ALSFORD family anywhere ----- Original Message ----- From: "JENETTE" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 9:25 AM Subject: [!! SPAM] Re: [BKM] Fw: Public Records (death) > Hi Firebird > > Thanks for your reply, yes, James New died around 1945 so I have been > told, > however, I do have to have the correct date so a certificate can be > acquired, James died of an incurable disease, this is the reason for > getting the death certificate. > Cheers, > Jenette > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Firebird" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: [BKM] Fw: Public Records (death) > > >> JENETTE wrote: >> >>> Would SKS please be able to look up the death record for James NEW, >>> born 23/10/1928 at Burnham, Bucks. He was the son of Elsie and >>> James NEW. I believe James Jnr. is buried at the Burnham Church >>> Cemetery. I have not been able to find this death on findmyfamily >>> site or BDM. I hope to purchase the death certificate of James New. >>> Any information would be very much appreciated. >> >> Are you sure he's dead? My father was born in 1928 and is still very >> much alive. >> >> There wouldn't be much information on the death certificate anyway. >> Name, age or date of birth, where died, cause of death, name of >> informant and that's about it. Nothing about any children or parents >> or wife unless she was the informant. >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi This one perhaps ? www.dixons.clara.co.uk/Certificates/indexbd.htm Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > That was what I thought too. I can't remember the link for the site > that gives details and examples of what's on all the certificates. > Jennette might find it helpful.

Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:17:07 +0100 > Firebird <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Firebird, Hello >>There wouldn't be much information on the death certificate anyway. >>Name, age or date of birth, where died, cause of death, name of >>informant and that's about it. Nothing about any children or parents > > > I suspect, given her email address, Jennette is used to Australian > death certs where there's more genealogical info. > That was what I thought too. I can't remember the link for the site that gives details and examples of what's on all the certificates. Jennette might find it helpful.

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:17:07 +0100 Firebird <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Firebird, > There wouldn't be much information on the death certificate anyway. > Name, age or date of birth, where died, cause of death, name of > informant and that's about it. Nothing about any children or parents I suspect, given her email address, Jennette is used to Australian death certs where there's more genealogical info. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" He looked the wrong way at a policeman I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs