Thanks, Dianne, will go with Josiah, as I have just found the same entry transcribed as 'Josiah.' Regards Pat in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Dianne Sutton Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 3:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKM] Josias Sounds like Josiah to me. A quit popular given name at one time. Dianne Pat Ricketts wrote: > Wondering if anyone on the list has knowledge of names ... is it possible > for 'Josias' to be a form of 'Joseph' in 1739? Any suggestions gratefully > accepted. > > Regards > Pat in Western Australia > *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM

Thanks for this, Brad. I am inclined to agree with you as I have just found the same entry transcribed as 'Josiah' in another transcription. Regards Pat in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Brad Rogers Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 3:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKM] Josias On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:22:14 +0800 "Pat Ricketts" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Pat, > possible for 'Josias' to be a form of 'Joseph' in 1739? Any > suggestions gratefully accepted. Josiah (Wedgewood, for example) would seem far more likely to me. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Drums quite good, bass is too loud, and I can't hear the words Sound Of The Suburbs - Members *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM

Looking for Smith-Clack-Carter in and around Slough Buckinghamshire 1780-1880 Thank you Myrna

Hi Pat, I think the latin for Joseph is Josephus and Josias is the latin for Josiah. However, what people were christened with and what they were called day to day could be two separate things. Also, vicars made mistakes when writing peoples' names down so there is always room for error in parish records, wills, etc. -----Original Message----- Wondering if anyone on the list has knowledge of names ... is it possible for 'Josias' to be a form of 'Joseph' in 1739? Any suggestions gratefully accepted. Regards Pat in Western Australia

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:46:29 +0800 "Pat Ricketts" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Pat, > Thanks for this, Brad. I am inclined to agree with you as I have No problem. > just found the same entry transcribed as 'Josiah' in another > transcription. If you can view more of the original handwriting (not always possible, I know), it might help you to get a better feel for how the writer formed their letters and you'll be better able to judge what the name is supposed to be. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come Nostalgia - The Buzzcocks

Sounds like Josiah to me. A quit popular given name at one time. Dianne Pat Ricketts wrote: > Wondering if anyone on the list has knowledge of names ... is it possible > for 'Josias' to be a form of 'Joseph' in 1739? Any suggestions gratefully > accepted. > > Regards > Pat in Western Australia >

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 06:22:14 +0800 "Pat Ricketts" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Pat, > possible for 'Josias' to be a form of 'Joseph' in 1739? Any > suggestions gratefully accepted. Josiah (Wedgewood, for example) would seem far more likely to me. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Drums quite good, bass is too loud, and I can't hear the words Sound Of The Suburbs - Members

Wondering if anyone on the list has knowledge of names ... is it possible for 'Josias' to be a form of 'Joseph' in 1739? Any suggestions gratefully accepted. Regards Pat in Western Australia

I am researching the GOODIER/GOODGER/GOODYER etc family of Thornborough & would appreciate any input anyone may have . I have a Mary born about 1780 with children born between 1802 & 1821, but don't have a spouse for her.Parents are Thomas & Mary (surname unknown) I also have an Ethel Ada PARRETT b 1885 if she is of any interest. Yvonne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Constanley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] Anthony HOLT OSBOURNE & PARROTT > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On > Behalf Of Anthony Holt > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Anthony HOLT OSBOURNE & PARROTT > > > This was an interesting email. If you look at the one-place study of > Grendon Underwood:- > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=hrohrer&recno=3964 > and select H and then Holt, you'll find Pearce Holt marrying Ellen > Hews in 1594. It also gives Ellen's date of birth as 11 Dec 1574. > My father was Archibald Joseph Holt, and i am 11 generations down > from Pearce/Ellen if the information on that site is correct. > You clearly have information to add to the site, although it appears > to contradict the statement that Thomas Hews married Margaret Field. > best regards, > Anthony Holt > > Hello Anthony, > I have looked at it, and found several differences to what I have, > First > I have Ellen PARRET/PARRATT dau of Andrew PARRETT & Elizabeth OSBORNE as > the > wife Of Pearce HOLT. With the same children as is given to Ellen Hews. > I belong to the P*RR*TT Society They accept my Ellen as do several > other > members as their ancestor. > I have been checking on the Hews in Edgcott The only Ellen I found was > Harry Hews chr 17 Oct 1574 > Ellen Hews chr 11 Dec 1565 the aforesayed Ellen Hews bur 13 Apr 1566 > both born before > Thomas Hews & Margaret Feelde married 17 Nov 1575 at Edgcott although > Harry & Ellen had the parents of Thomas Hews & Margaret > Bridget chr 1 Mar 1576 > John chr 4 Mar 1578 > Richard chr 2 Feb 1853/4 bur 26 Mar 1584 > Elizabeth chr 9 Apr 1585 bur 12 Apr 1585 > William chr 10 Apr 1586 > > Thomas was bur 1596 Margaret bur 2 Dec 1599 > > There was another Harry Hewes chr 9 Apr 1544 but it gave no parent's name > > So unless some one can come up with more proof I will keep Ellen Parret as > my ancestor > > > I checked the ROADS Family for your line and indeed we are related, > our > common ancestors are Perce & Ellen Parrat > the first Holt in my family was Amy Holt who married Benjamin Hatwell 4 > Sep > 1786 > I saw a few differences or additions > For Ann Boughton I had Bowden Ann Holt b 15 Nov 1761 m Edmund EDWIN > 5 > Jan 1785 > John Holt b 12 Nov 1762 d 1762 > John Holt b 17 Feb 1765 d 25 Nov 1844 > Mary Goodyer I have Goodier I did not have her parents > Nor did I have Anne Holt b 31 Mar 1795 their daughter > William Holt b 12 Apr 1829 m Maria Rolfe b 17 Aug 1833 Chelsea, London > > I don't think I have anything of Thomas Andrew Holt & Elizabeth Grace and > their family > I have not checked any more yet. > > > Best regards > Constance > > > > > > > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Constance, Thank you so much for your analysis. The Roads website is one I found. I was searching for the parents of my great great grandfather John Holt, who died in 1839 (I have his death certificate, and now a copy of his will), and whom I thought was likely to be the one born in Thornborough, since it made him the right age, but I had no proof. I still only have the website's say so. Hence it worries me if there is incorrect information there. The mary Goodyer who married John Holt in Thornborough in 1794, does indeed have a Y in Goodyer (as from parish records). I do go to Aylesbury once in a while. I don't have a next visit planned, but when I do go, I will try and see whether I can find out anything about the wife of Pearce Holt. Someone must have deposited the information. I suggest you write to the website contact, Heather Rohrer, and see whether she can shed any light on the matter. I am amazed at how far back some of the parish records go. I have visited the church at Edgcott, and nearby Grendon Underwood, as well as those in Whitchurch, Oving and North Marston which feature in the two sides of the family in the 1700s and early 1800s. It is still quite a rural haven. best regards, Anthony On Aug 12, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Constanley wrote: > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On > Behalf Of Anthony Holt > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Anthony HOLT OSBOURNE & PARROTT > > > This was an interesting email. If you look at the one-place study of > Grendon Underwood:- > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=hrohrer&recno=3964 > and select H and then Holt, you'll find Pearce Holt marrying Ellen > Hews in 1594. It also gives Ellen's date of birth as 11 Dec 1574. > My father was Archibald Joseph Holt, and i am 11 generations down > from Pearce/Ellen if the information on that site is correct. > You clearly have information to add to the site, although it appears > to contradict the statement that Thomas Hews married Margaret Field. > best regards, > Anthony Holt > > Hello Anthony, > I have looked at it, and found several differences to what I > have, First > I have Ellen PARRET/PARRATT dau of Andrew PARRETT & Elizabeth > OSBORNE as the > wife Of Pearce HOLT. With the same children as is given to Ellen > Hews. > I belong to the P*RR*TT Society They accept my Ellen as do > several other > members as their ancestor. > I have been checking on the Hews in Edgcott The only Ellen I found > was > Harry Hews chr 17 Oct 1574 > Ellen Hews chr 11 Dec 1565 the aforesayed Ellen Hews bur 13 Apr > 1566 > both born before > Thomas Hews & Margaret Feelde married 17 Nov 1575 at Edgcott > although > Harry & Ellen had the parents of Thomas Hews & Margaret > Bridget chr 1 Mar 1576 > John chr 4 Mar 1578 > Richard chr 2 Feb 1853/4 bur 26 Mar 1584 > Elizabeth chr 9 Apr 1585 bur 12 Apr 1585 > William chr 10 Apr 1586 > > Thomas was bur 1596 Margaret bur 2 Dec 1599 > > There was another Harry Hewes chr 9 Apr 1544 but it gave no > parent's name > > So unless some one can come up with more proof I will keep Ellen > Parret as > my ancestor > > > I checked the ROADS Family for your line and indeed we are > related, our > common ancestors are Perce & Ellen Parrat > the first Holt in my family was Amy Holt who married Benjamin > Hatwell 4 Sep > 1786 > I saw a few differences or additions > For Ann Boughton I had Bowden Ann Holt b 15 Nov 1761 m Edmund > EDWIN 5 > Jan 1785 > John Holt b 12 Nov 1762 d 1762 > John Holt b 17 Feb 1765 d 25 Nov 1844 > Mary Goodyer I have Goodier I did not have her parents > Nor did I have Anne Holt b 31 Mar 1795 their daughter > William Holt b 12 Apr 1829 m Maria Rolfe b 17 Aug 1833 Chelsea, > London > > I don't think I have anything of Thomas Andrew Holt & Elizabeth > Grace and > their family > I have not checked any more yet. > > > Best regards > Constance > > > > > > > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Celia, There is also a SPATCHETT family in England who lived not a million miles from your SPATCHERs. If you consider how the french pronounce "et" an "er" it could be the same. Could SPACHER mean SPEAKER? This name seems to be either french or swiss. As Linda said, there have been others researching some of these names on Genealogy.com so this is probably a good place to try. Another thought is perhaps there is an olde englysh occupation called SPATCHER? All the best, Al -----Original Message----- From: Celia Renshaw [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 August 2007 16:40 To: 'Al'; [email protected] Subject: RE: RE. Origin of surname SPATCHER HI Al Yes, you're right, by the 1880s the SPATCHERs had mostly moved to Northampton. It went like this. Nathaniel SPATCHER (originally of Stowe) married Catherine WILKINS of Syresham. After he died (not in Stowe, possibly in London), Catherine married Nathan CARRINGTON, Kings Messenger, who died very wealthy. Catherine lived to a ripe old age but before she died we see some of her first (SPATCHER) family from Stowe turning up in Syresham so I guess her Syresham roots or acquired wealth were helping them out in some way. The SPATCHERs of Stowe who remained in Bucks migrated mostly to Padbury. Some of either the Padbury or Syresham crews moved to Northampton, perhaps both, no doubt for the burgeoning leather/shoe trades, because my Aaron GEORGE born 1792 in Stowe ended up in Northampton as a shoe maker. In truth, I haven't studied the later SPATCHERs much as my family tree connection to the name is that marriage of Nathaniel to Catherine in 1725! Before the industrial revolution, the SPATCHERs were almost entirely in north Bucks and my curiosity is now piqued - why just north Bucks, where and how did the name originate...??? Thanks for responding and thanks also to Linda FH for suggesting the name was originally French. I did think it might be, it has a touch of francais about it. But I'm still curious how Stowe became the (French) SPATCHER home... Cheers, Celia in Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: Al [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 August 2007 14:37 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE. Origin of surname SPATCHER Hi Celia, Don't know if this means anything but in 1881 it looks like Northants had the highest concentration of SPATCHERs. See this link:- http://www.spatial-literacy.org/UCLnames/Map.aspx?name=SPATCHER&year=1881&al tyear=1998&country=GB&type=name Al -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 August 2007 08:02 To: [email protected] Subject: BUCKS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 196 The default format for the Digest is Plain text. If you prefer to receive your Digest in MIME format, please contact the list administrator. ************************************** Today's Topics: 1. The Padbury Man (Linda & Barry Richardson) 2. Origin of surname SPATCHER (Celia Renshaw) 3. Re: [GLS] Ancestry - Missing Birth Records 1913 (SHEILA REYNOLDS) 4. Re: Origin of surname SPATCHER (LindaFH) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:54:24 +1200 From: "Linda & Barry Richardson" <[email protected]> Subject: [BKM] The Padbury Man To: <[email protected]> Cc: "'M. Hamp'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAM/thYoTBAdJuiLK+5Ky+mHCgAAAEAAAABfvRWNCbVtHtoFhGFfI [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hi His Parents were as I wrote Katherine Orian HAMP and George GIBBARD. I am sending you an article called the Padbury Man. My Aunt in England sent me this a few years ago. It is of Leonard Malcolm GIBBARD. A lot of the graves my Aunt couldn't read they were too old, Below is what she wrote to me. I had a job to read Nans& Grampy Hamps, I had to smile on Louisa Holt it said peace perfect peace, on George Gibbard I couldn't read much Husband of Catherine Orena Gibbard age 90yrs, I know he died years before her,On Malcolm Gibbard it said Lenherd Malcolm Gibbard I think he was 89yrs old when he died, I may ring Mary Tiller up over the weekend Malcolm's grand-daughter. Katherine Orean Hamp Married to George Gibbard & Malcolm was there only children, He was born 8th June 1915 Malcolm married Winifred Wheeler(Letty)1941, Catherine O Hamp marriage to George Gibbard 3a 2316 Winslow Sept quarter 1914 I will contact my Aunt to see if she can clarify on the spellings of Katherine?s name. I also have some photocopies of old diaries my grandmother and Gt grandmother had I will check for any reference to this side of the family in them. Hope this clears up a few things for you. Linda HYPERLINK "mailto:[email protected]"[email protected] Phone mobile 0272006125 Linda No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 10/08/2007 3:50 p.m. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:31:12 +0100 From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> Subject: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SPATCHERs (occasionally spelled SPACHER) were in the registers of Stowe from the start (1580). Outside of Stowe it's an incredibly rare name, up until the 19th century. I'm trying to find the surname's meaning/origins and to find out if there were SPATCHERs in north Bucks before 1580 - and I'm having trouble on both counts. Can anyone help? Anyone with a good surname dictionary or guide to surname etymology who could do a lookup please? The online reference sources I've tried don't include the name. Does anyone have any knowledge of the Stowe area pre-1580 who can guide on best places to look for earlier SPATCHERs? Any ideas or advice much appreciated. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:02:17 +0100 (BST) From: SHEILA REYNOLDS <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BKM] [GLS] Ancestry - Missing Birth Records 1913 To: [email protected], Dumfries Galloway <[email protected]>, eng-cul-Carlisle <[email protected]>, essex-uk list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This was sent to one of my list's so I am forwarding in case it helps someone out there. Sheila Della Markey wrote: Dear List Searching in Ancestry's index of Complete Births England & Wales for a birth in Q1 1913 for surname WALKER without any luck, I finally emailed Ancestry. This is the reply. "We were aware that U-Z of the 1st quarter birth index for 1913 were missing. We have submitted this to our site developers and we do not have a time frame as to when these will be added. These types of errors can take quite some time and we appreciate your patience." So the searcher beware!! I found the reference I was looking for on the FreeBDM site. Regards Della in Melbourne _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:29:49 +0100 From: "LindaFH" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Celia, I hope that you are well! SPACHER is a French name that I have come into contact with so perhaps this is the original source of the surname? Have you seen the SPATCHER forum on Genealogy.com? No posts for a while but I noticed that someone had Spatcher's originating from Padbury. Best wishes Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Dunn Walton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER > SPATCHERs (occasionally spelled SPACHER) were in the registers of > Stowe from the start (1580). Outside of Stowe it's an incredibly rare > name, up until the 19th century. I'm trying to find the surname's > meaning/origins and to find out if there were SPATCHERs in north Bucks > before 1580 - and I'm having trouble on both counts. Can anyone help? > Anyone with a good surname dictionary or guide to surname etymology > who could do a lookup please? > The > online reference sources I've tried don't include the name. Does > anyone have any knowledge of the Stowe area pre-1580 who can guide on > best places to look for earlier SPATCHERs? > > Any ideas or advice much appreciated. > > Celia Renshaw > in Chesterfield UK ------------------------------ To contact the BUCKS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BUCKS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BUCKS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 196 *************************************

HI Al Yes, you're right, by the 1880s the SPATCHERs had mostly moved to Northampton. It went like this. Nathaniel SPATCHER (originally of Stowe) married Catherine WILKINS of Syresham. After he died (not in Stowe, possibly in London), Catherine married Nathan CARRINGTON, Kings Messenger, who died very wealthy. Catherine lived to a ripe old age but before she died we see some of her first (SPATCHER) family from Stowe turning up in Syresham so I guess her Syresham roots or acquired wealth were helping them out in some way. The SPATCHERs of Stowe who remained in Bucks migrated mostly to Padbury. Some of either the Padbury or Syresham crews moved to Northampton, perhaps both, no doubt for the burgeoning leather/shoe trades, because my Aaron GEORGE born 1792 in Stowe ended up in Northampton as a shoe maker. In truth, I haven't studied the later SPATCHERs much as my family tree connection to the name is that marriage of Nathaniel to Catherine in 1725! Before the industrial revolution, the SPATCHERs were almost entirely in north Bucks and my curiosity is now piqued - why just north Bucks, where and how did the name originate...??? Thanks for responding and thanks also to Linda FH for suggesting the name was originally French. I did think it might be, it has a touch of francais about it. But I'm still curious how Stowe became the (French) SPATCHER home... Cheers, Celia in Chesterfield UK -----Original Message----- From: Al [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 12 August 2007 14:37 To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE. Origin of surname SPATCHER Hi Celia, Don't know if this means anything but in 1881 it looks like Northants had the highest concentration of SPATCHERs. See this link:- http://www.spatial-literacy.org/UCLnames/Map.aspx?name=SPATCHER&year=1881&al tyear=1998&country=GB&type=name Al -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 August 2007 08:02 To: [email protected] Subject: BUCKS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 196 The default format for the Digest is Plain text. If you prefer to receive your Digest in MIME format, please contact the list administrator. ************************************** Today's Topics: 1. The Padbury Man (Linda & Barry Richardson) 2. Origin of surname SPATCHER (Celia Renshaw) 3. Re: [GLS] Ancestry - Missing Birth Records 1913 (SHEILA REYNOLDS) 4. Re: Origin of surname SPATCHER (LindaFH) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:54:24 +1200 From: "Linda & Barry Richardson" <[email protected]> Subject: [BKM] The Padbury Man To: <[email protected]> Cc: "'M. Hamp'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAM/thYoTBAdJuiLK+5Ky+mHCgAAAEAAAABfvRWNCbVtHtoFhGFfI [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hi His Parents were as I wrote Katherine Orian HAMP and George GIBBARD. I am sending you an article called the Padbury Man. My Aunt in England sent me this a few years ago. It is of Leonard Malcolm GIBBARD. A lot of the graves my Aunt couldn't read they were too old, Below is what she wrote to me. I had a job to read Nans& Grampy Hamps, I had to smile on Louisa Holt it said peace perfect peace, on George Gibbard I couldn't read much Husband of Catherine Orena Gibbard age 90yrs, I know he died years before her,On Malcolm Gibbard it said Lenherd Malcolm Gibbard I think he was 89yrs old when he died, I may ring Mary Tiller up over the weekend Malcolm's grand-daughter. Katherine Orean Hamp Married to George Gibbard & Malcolm was there only children, He was born 8th June 1915 Malcolm married Winifred Wheeler(Letty)1941, Catherine O Hamp marriage to George Gibbard 3a 2316 Winslow Sept quarter 1914 I will contact my Aunt to see if she can clarify on the spellings of Katherine?s name. I also have some photocopies of old diaries my grandmother and Gt grandmother had I will check for any reference to this side of the family in them. Hope this clears up a few things for you. Linda HYPERLINK "mailto:[email protected]"[email protected] Phone mobile 0272006125 Linda No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 10/08/2007 3:50 p.m. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:31:12 +0100 From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> Subject: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SPATCHERs (occasionally spelled SPACHER) were in the registers of Stowe from the start (1580). Outside of Stowe it's an incredibly rare name, up until the 19th century. I'm trying to find the surname's meaning/origins and to find out if there were SPATCHERs in north Bucks before 1580 - and I'm having trouble on both counts. Can anyone help? Anyone with a good surname dictionary or guide to surname etymology who could do a lookup please? The online reference sources I've tried don't include the name. Does anyone have any knowledge of the Stowe area pre-1580 who can guide on best places to look for earlier SPATCHERs? Any ideas or advice much appreciated. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:02:17 +0100 (BST) From: SHEILA REYNOLDS <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BKM] [GLS] Ancestry - Missing Birth Records 1913 To: [email protected], Dumfries Galloway <[email protected]>, eng-cul-Carlisle <[email protected]>, essex-uk list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This was sent to one of my list's so I am forwarding in case it helps someone out there. Sheila Della Markey wrote: Dear List Searching in Ancestry's index of Complete Births England & Wales for a birth in Q1 1913 for surname WALKER without any luck, I finally emailed Ancestry. This is the reply. "We were aware that U-Z of the 1st quarter birth index for 1913 were missing. We have submitted this to our site developers and we do not have a time frame as to when these will be added. These types of errors can take quite some time and we appreciate your patience." So the searcher beware!! I found the reference I was looking for on the FreeBDM site. Regards Della in Melbourne _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:29:49 +0100 From: "LindaFH" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Celia, I hope that you are well! SPACHER is a French name that I have come into contact with so perhaps this is the original source of the surname? Have you seen the SPATCHER forum on Genealogy.com? No posts for a while but I noticed that someone had Spatcher's originating from Padbury. Best wishes Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Dunn Walton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER > SPATCHERs (occasionally spelled SPACHER) were in the registers of > Stowe from the start (1580). Outside of Stowe it's an incredibly rare > name, up until the 19th century. I'm trying to find the surname's > meaning/origins and to find out if there were SPATCHERs in north Bucks > before 1580 - and I'm having trouble on both counts. Can anyone help? > Anyone with a good surname dictionary or guide to surname etymology > who could do a lookup please? > The > online reference sources I've tried don't include the name. Does > anyone have any knowledge of the Stowe area pre-1580 who can guide on > best places to look for earlier SPATCHERs? > > Any ideas or advice much appreciated. > > Celia Renshaw > in Chesterfield UK ------------------------------ To contact the BUCKS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BUCKS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BUCKS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 196 *************************************

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Anthony Holt Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Anthony HOLT OSBOURNE & PARROTT This was an interesting email. If you look at the one-place study of Grendon Underwood:- http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=hrohrer&recno=3964 and select H and then Holt, you'll find Pearce Holt marrying Ellen Hews in 1594. It also gives Ellen's date of birth as 11 Dec 1574. My father was Archibald Joseph Holt, and i am 11 generations down from Pearce/Ellen if the information on that site is correct. You clearly have information to add to the site, although it appears to contradict the statement that Thomas Hews married Margaret Field. best regards, Anthony Holt Hello Anthony, I have looked at it, and found several differences to what I have, First I have Ellen PARRET/PARRATT dau of Andrew PARRETT & Elizabeth OSBORNE as the wife Of Pearce HOLT. With the same children as is given to Ellen Hews. I belong to the P*RR*TT Society They accept my Ellen as do several other members as their ancestor. I have been checking on the Hews in Edgcott The only Ellen I found was Harry Hews chr 17 Oct 1574 Ellen Hews chr 11 Dec 1565 the aforesayed Ellen Hews bur 13 Apr 1566 both born before Thomas Hews & Margaret Feelde married 17 Nov 1575 at Edgcott although Harry & Ellen had the parents of Thomas Hews & Margaret Bridget chr 1 Mar 1576 John chr 4 Mar 1578 Richard chr 2 Feb 1853/4 bur 26 Mar 1584 Elizabeth chr 9 Apr 1585 bur 12 Apr 1585 William chr 10 Apr 1586 Thomas was bur 1596 Margaret bur 2 Dec 1599 There was another Harry Hewes chr 9 Apr 1544 but it gave no parent's name So unless some one can come up with more proof I will keep Ellen Parret as my ancestor I checked the ROADS Family for your line and indeed we are related, our common ancestors are Perce & Ellen Parrat the first Holt in my family was Amy Holt who married Benjamin Hatwell 4 Sep 1786 I saw a few differences or additions For Ann Boughton I had Bowden Ann Holt b 15 Nov 1761 m Edmund EDWIN 5 Jan 1785 John Holt b 12 Nov 1762 d 1762 John Holt b 17 Feb 1765 d 25 Nov 1844 Mary Goodyer I have Goodier I did not have her parents Nor did I have Anne Holt b 31 Mar 1795 their daughter William Holt b 12 Apr 1829 m Maria Rolfe b 17 Aug 1833 Chelsea, London I don't think I have anything of Thomas Andrew Holt & Elizabeth Grace and their family I have not checked any more yet. Best regards Constance

Hi Celia, Don't know if this means anything but in 1881 it looks like Northants had the highest concentration of SPATCHERs. See this link:- http://www.spatial-literacy.org/UCLnames/Map.aspx?name=SPATCHER&year=1881&al tyear=1998&country=GB&type=name Al -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 August 2007 08:02 To: [email protected] Subject: BUCKS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 196 The default format for the Digest is Plain text. If you prefer to receive your Digest in MIME format, please contact the list administrator. ************************************** Today's Topics: 1. The Padbury Man (Linda & Barry Richardson) 2. Origin of surname SPATCHER (Celia Renshaw) 3. Re: [GLS] Ancestry - Missing Birth Records 1913 (SHEILA REYNOLDS) 4. Re: Origin of surname SPATCHER (LindaFH) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:54:24 +1200 From: "Linda & Barry Richardson" <[email protected]> Subject: [BKM] The Padbury Man To: <[email protected]> Cc: "'M. Hamp'" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAM/thYoTBAdJuiLK+5Ky+mHCgAAAEAAAABfvRWNCbVtHtoFhGFfI [email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hi His Parents were as I wrote Katherine Orian HAMP and George GIBBARD. I am sending you an article called the Padbury Man. My Aunt in England sent me this a few years ago. It is of Leonard Malcolm GIBBARD. A lot of the graves my Aunt couldn't read they were too old, Below is what she wrote to me. I had a job to read Nans& Grampy Hamps, I had to smile on Louisa Holt it said peace perfect peace, on George Gibbard I couldn't read much Husband of Catherine Orena Gibbard age 90yrs, I know he died years before her,On Malcolm Gibbard it said Lenherd Malcolm Gibbard I think he was 89yrs old when he died, I may ring Mary Tiller up over the weekend Malcolm's grand-daughter. Katherine Orean Hamp Married to George Gibbard & Malcolm was there only children, He was born 8th June 1915 Malcolm married Winifred Wheeler(Letty)1941, Catherine O Hamp marriage to George Gibbard 3a 2316 Winslow Sept quarter 1914 I will contact my Aunt to see if she can clarify on the spellings of Katherine?s name. I also have some photocopies of old diaries my grandmother and Gt grandmother had I will check for any reference to this side of the family in them. Hope this clears up a few things for you. Linda HYPERLINK "mailto:[email protected]"[email protected] Phone mobile 0272006125 Linda No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 10/08/2007 3:50 p.m. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 10:31:12 +0100 From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> Subject: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" SPATCHERs (occasionally spelled SPACHER) were in the registers of Stowe from the start (1580). Outside of Stowe it's an incredibly rare name, up until the 19th century. I'm trying to find the surname's meaning/origins and to find out if there were SPATCHERs in north Bucks before 1580 - and I'm having trouble on both counts. Can anyone help? Anyone with a good surname dictionary or guide to surname etymology who could do a lookup please? The online reference sources I've tried don't include the name. Does anyone have any knowledge of the Stowe area pre-1580 who can guide on best places to look for earlier SPATCHERs? Any ideas or advice much appreciated. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:02:17 +0100 (BST) From: SHEILA REYNOLDS <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BKM] [GLS] Ancestry - Missing Birth Records 1913 To: [email protected], Dumfries Galloway <[email protected]>, eng-cul-Carlisle <[email protected]>, essex-uk list <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This was sent to one of my list's so I am forwarding in case it helps someone out there. Sheila Della Markey wrote: Dear List Searching in Ancestry's index of Complete Births England & Wales for a birth in Q1 1913 for surname WALKER without any luck, I finally emailed Ancestry. This is the reply. "We were aware that U-Z of the 1st quarter birth index for 1913 were missing. We have submitted this to our site developers and we do not have a time frame as to when these will be added. These types of errors can take quite some time and we appreciate your patience." So the searcher beware!! I found the reference I was looking for on the FreeBDM site. Regards Della in Melbourne _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 21:29:49 +0100 From: "LindaFH" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hello Celia, I hope that you are well! SPACHER is a French name that I have come into contact with so perhaps this is the original source of the surname? Have you seen the SPATCHER forum on Genealogy.com? No posts for a while but I noticed that someone had Spatcher's originating from Padbury. Best wishes Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Dunn Walton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER > SPATCHERs (occasionally spelled SPACHER) were in the registers of Stowe > from > the start (1580). Outside of Stowe it's an incredibly rare name, up until > the 19th century. I'm trying to find the surname's meaning/origins and to > find out if there were SPATCHERs in north Bucks before 1580 - and I'm > having > trouble on both counts. Can anyone help? Anyone with a good surname > dictionary or guide to surname etymology who could do a lookup please? > The > online reference sources I've tried don't include the name. Does anyone > have any knowledge of the Stowe area pre-1580 who can guide on best places > to look for earlier SPATCHERs? > > Any ideas or advice much appreciated. > > Celia Renshaw > in Chesterfield UK ------------------------------ To contact the BUCKS list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BUCKS mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BUCKS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 196 *************************************

Hello Celia, I hope that you are well! SPACHER is a French name that I have come into contact with so perhaps this is the original source of the surname? Have you seen the SPATCHER forum on Genealogy.com? No posts for a while but I noticed that someone had Spatcher's originating from Padbury. Best wishes Linda Staffs UK Researching: Cook(e) Plant Mason Keys Pearsall and variants Broster Rastall Turner Smith Miller Dunn Walton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Celia Renshaw" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: [BKM] Origin of surname SPATCHER > SPATCHERs (occasionally spelled SPACHER) were in the registers of Stowe > from > the start (1580). Outside of Stowe it's an incredibly rare name, up until > the 19th century. I'm trying to find the surname's meaning/origins and to > find out if there were SPATCHERs in north Bucks before 1580 - and I'm > having > trouble on both counts. Can anyone help? Anyone with a good surname > dictionary or guide to surname etymology who could do a lookup please? > The > online reference sources I've tried don't include the name. Does anyone > have any knowledge of the Stowe area pre-1580 who can guide on best places > to look for earlier SPATCHERs? > > Any ideas or advice much appreciated. > > Celia Renshaw > in Chesterfield UK

This was sent to one of my list's so I am forwarding in case it helps someone out there. Sheila Della Markey wrote: Dear List Searching in Ancestry's index of Complete Births England & Wales for a birth in Q1 1913 for surname WALKER without any luck, I finally emailed Ancestry. This is the reply. "We were aware that U-Z of the 1st quarter birth index for 1913 were missing. We have submitted this to our site developers and we do not have a time frame as to when these will be added. These types of errors can take quite some time and we appreciate your patience." So the searcher beware!! I found the reference I was looking for on the FreeBDM site. Regards Della in Melbourne _____________________________________________ Browse the list archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GLOUCESTER/ Keyword search - any or all lists: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi His Parents were as I wrote Katherine Orian HAMP and George GIBBARD. I am sending you an article called the Padbury Man. My Aunt in England sent me this a few years ago. It is of Leonard Malcolm GIBBARD. A lot of the graves my Aunt couldn't read they were too old, Below is what she wrote to me. I had a job to read Nans& Grampy Hamps, I had to smile on Louisa Holt it said peace perfect peace, on George Gibbard I couldn't read much Husband of Catherine Orena Gibbard age 90yrs, I know he died years before her,On Malcolm Gibbard it said Lenherd Malcolm Gibbard I think he was 89yrs old when he died, I may ring Mary Tiller up over the weekend Malcolm's grand-daughter. Katherine Orean Hamp Married to George Gibbard & Malcolm was there only children, He was born 8th June 1915 Malcolm married Winifred Wheeler(Letty)1941, Catherine O Hamp marriage to George Gibbard 3a 2316 Winslow Sept quarter 1914 I will contact my Aunt to see if she can clarify on the spellings of Katherine’s name. I also have some photocopies of old diaries my grandmother and Gt grandmother had I will check for any reference to this side of the family in them. Hope this clears up a few things for you. Linda HYPERLINK "mailto:[email protected]"[email protected] Phone mobile 0272006125 Linda No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.13/946 - Release Date: 10/08/2007 3:50 p.m.

SPATCHERs (occasionally spelled SPACHER) were in the registers of Stowe from the start (1580). Outside of Stowe it's an incredibly rare name, up until the 19th century. I'm trying to find the surname's meaning/origins and to find out if there were SPATCHERs in north Bucks before 1580 - and I'm having trouble on both counts. Can anyone help? Anyone with a good surname dictionary or guide to surname etymology who could do a lookup please? The online reference sources I've tried don't include the name. Does anyone have any knowledge of the Stowe area pre-1580 who can guide on best places to look for earlier SPATCHERs? Any ideas or advice much appreciated. Celia Renshaw in Chesterfield UK

Hi Leonard Malcolm Gibbard born 8th June 1915 was the only son of Katherine Orian HAMP born 1883 and George Gibbard. Katherine was the sister of my great grandfather Ernest Heinrich HAMP 10th June 1880 Linda Linda And Barry HYPERLINK "mailto:[email protected]"[email protected] Phone mobile 0272006125 Linda Phone mobile 0272006135 Barry No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.11/944 - Release Date: 9/08/2007 2:44 p.m.

Could anyone please look up a death, for me . By name of William MITCHELL. My husbands . Grandfather. He was 46 yrs in the 1901 Census Born Stoke Poges. BKM. I think that he would have still been around the same area. maybe Wexham? Jeune Witney Oxon