Jill is right! I intended to mention that, but hit "send" too soon. Lanark County is an example, as is Renfrew County and others. They may also be known as Districts, not Regions. Consistency is not their strong suit. Thanks Jill Sue Jill Bhar wrote: > Also there are counties - at least in Ontario. See > http://www.amo.on.ca/YLG/ylg/ontario.html > > Jill > formerly of Carleton Place, Lanark County, Ontario > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Cox" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [BKM] Canadian Q > > > >> Helen, within each province (the equivalent of a state) there are many >> regions or districts. And within each of those there are probably a >> number of towns, townships or and villages. >> > > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Helen, If you google - Canadian Territories - you will get all the info you need on all the Canadian Provinces, Territories, Regions and Cities. I hope this will help. Maggie. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: [BKM] Canadian Q > Hi - I need a little instruction form SKS. My lines have just gone > Canadian > and I am lost. I'm from the states and I thought I was educated-not-I > know > perfectly well that there are Provinces and Ontario is one of them. And I > can figure out what a town is. The question is, what are all the > divisions > between the two? Does Canada have counties? What are the sub divisions? > I > pulled an extracted census and it came with a string of names divided by > commas, then a capital O and Ontario. Does the O mean anything, or does > it > just mean Ontario? > > Thanks in advance for the education-- Helen > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.19/1008 - Release Date: > 9/14/2007 08:59 > >

Helen, within each province (the equivalent of a state) there are many regions or districts. And within each of those there are probably a number of towns, townships or and villages. Like the English counties, the boundaries have changed from time to time and some Regions have been amalgamated or the boundaries re-drawn. The City of Toronto would be an exception: it has now a single metropolitan government where once there were two levels. So if you look at the census data, you will find it divided into Regions and within each Region you will see various communities. For instance, the Region of Parry Sound would have the town of Parry Sound and various smaller towns and townships. The townships are typically rural regions and, to make your life more difficult, may have several villages within /them/. Using Parry Sound Region as an example again, within that you might find (in the old census data) a township called Christie (with a township government headed by a Reeve, the same as a mayor) and within Christie you might find several small named communities or towns: Humphrey, Orrville, etc. The latter communities would be named on the census, under Christie, even if they were only half-a-dozen houses and the surrounding farms. In more populous area (ie suburban areas around cities) the region would have two or three major suburban communities or more and perhaps some rural areas as well. So a suburban region north of Toronto is called York Region, it has some pretty major towns or cities near Toronto which have municipal governments of their own, but falling under York Region (if you look on a map you'll see Richmond Hill, Aurora, Markham, etc.) and further north in the region you have some pretty rural agricultural areas. To make your life more miserable, however, many if not most of the names have changed and the townships have been amalgamated, so what you see on a modern map may not be what you see in the old census or BMD information. Going back to Parry Sound, it is now Muskoka-Parry Sound, Christie is now part of Seguin Township and ...............well, I could go on, but you get the picture. I'm sure you're suitably confused now. Of course, the long and the short of it is that the regions are like US counties and the towns and townships are just like the towns within a US county. I think you can comfortably think of them as being pretty much the same. And, like the US, different levels of government and jurisdictions have different responsibilities. Sue Cox in Toronto PS Don't know what the O is but I'm guessing it's just Ontario. I can't say I noticed it on the old census data. [email protected] wrote: > Hi - I need a little instruction form SKS. My lines have just gone Canadian > and I am lost. I'm from the states and I thought I was educated-not-I know > perfectly well that there are Provinces and Ontario is one of them. And I > can figure out what a town is. The question is, what are all the divisions > between the two? Does Canada have counties? What are the sub divisions? I > pulled an extracted census and it came with a string of names divided by > commas, then a capital O and Ontario. Does the O mean anything, or does it > just mean Ontario? > > Thanks in advance for the education-- Helen > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Also there are counties - at least in Ontario. See http://www.amo.on.ca/YLG/ylg/ontario.html Jill formerly of Carleton Place, Lanark County, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Cox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Canadian Q > Helen, within each province (the equivalent of a state) there are many > regions or districts. And within each of those there are probably a > number of towns, townships or and villages.

Dear Helen, Canada has provinces i.e. like counties. O could be Ottawa the capital of Ontario. Heather

Hi there, Actually, Ottawa is the Capital of Ontario is Toronto. Ottawa is the capital city of Canada. Canada has 10 provinces and 3 territories. Cheerio, Maureen (Curtis) Kristjanson, Richmond, BC Canada Originally from New Waterford, NS See my family tree on Ancestry.com and http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/genesreunited.asp >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [BKM] Canadian Q >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:04:16 EDT > >Dear Helen, >Canada has provinces i.e. like counties. O could be Ottawa the capital of >Ontario. >Heather > > > > >*************************************** > >BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message

OK Emma Thanks for the message john ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bucks Researcher" <[email protected]> To: "Bucks List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: [BKM] John Gurney > Posting on behalf of a friend who is not subscribed to this list: > > If John Gurney is still on the list could he please contact Terri on > [email protected] regarding the Watkins line. > > The e-mail address Terri has for you [email protected] is bouncing. > > Warm regards > > Emma > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. > http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Posting on behalf of a friend who is not subscribed to this list: If John Gurney is still on the list could he please contact Terri on [email protected] regarding the Watkins line. The e-mail address Terri has for you [email protected] is bouncing. Warm regards Emma _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk

Hi - I need a little instruction form SKS. My lines have just gone Canadian and I am lost. I'm from the states and I thought I was educated-not-I know perfectly well that there are Provinces and Ontario is one of them. And I can figure out what a town is. The question is, what are all the divisions between the two? Does Canada have counties? What are the sub divisions? I pulled an extracted census and it came with a string of names divided by commas, then a capital O and Ontario. Does the O mean anything, or does it just mean Ontario? Thanks in advance for the education-- Helen

Thanks Martin for the information - it indeed looks as if William was in the publishing/newspaper business back in 1854. I still have no link from my Butlers to William Butler, but will keep your info just in case of progress! Amanda -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Martin Saunders Sent: 11 September 2007 20:33 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKM] Butler in Wycombe Hi Amanda, I noticed in you email "I have found out that William Butler set up the BFP in 1856, died in 1885 & had a son Thomas Harsant Butler in Wycombe in the Dec qtr of 1851 (who succeeded his father as editor)." I have a transcript of my gggrandfather's diary covering the years 1854 to 1863 in which he mentions a Mr Butler of Wycombe several times. All are concerned with papers, periodicals and books and paying bills for such. (My gggrandfather was a schoolmaster in Haddenham). Several of the entries pre-date 1856 suggesting your Mr Butler (if it is the same man) was in the trade before then. Here's the entries I found: In 1854 I accepted Mr Butler's invitation to become agent to the Wycombe and South Bucks monthly Advertiser and Railway Guide Price /2 at first but in September it was reduced to /1. (January 1854) Tuesday - 26th Our Wycombe friends came to see us, and took 8 papers back to Mr Butler. (May 1854) 26 - Saturday Wrote to the Wycombe paper and sent Mr Butler the particulars of the month. (June 1854) 23 Saturday Wrote to Mr R Welford & Mr Butler ordered 3 dozen papers for next month. (1854) September - 1st to 14th Enjoyed my visit to Wycombe very much - Heard some very good sermons by Mr Pledge visited the Sunday School - Read "The Struggles for life" and some other books - settled with Mr Butler for the papers up to Midsummer (1855) June 24th Sent an advertisement to Mr Butler's paper 1859. Jan 1 - Sat, Went to Wycombe yesterday. Cousin John Francklin died on Wednesday nearly 17 ys of age Settled with Mr Butler 1863 Jan 3. First parcel received from Mr Butler this year contained Periodicals as per order 1 Scripture dictionary -/3, Six Almanacs 3 British Workman & 3 Band of Hope Almanacs Martin On 10 Sep 2007, at 20:38, Amanda Gostelow wrote: > Dear Sheila, > > > > The only other reply I had was off-list from Margaret, see below. > > I have not made any further progress on this, except for a > conversation with > my aunt who said that she was sure we were descended from William > Butler of > the Bucks Free Press, but possibly from way back. Still no sign of > my Louis > - the nearest I can find is a Lewis Butler born in Aylesbury in > 1844 - not > yet convinced! > > > > Amanda > > > > ***************************** > > > _____ > > From: SHEILA REYNOLDS [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 September 2007 17:39 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BKM] Butler in Wycombe > > > > Hi Amanda. > > did anyone else reply to your posting? > > I have not seen any come up. > > Sheila > > Dear Listers, > > > I haven't posted anything to the list for quite a while, but have a > problem > that I wish to ask for help with. > > > My GGG Grandad was Louis Butler, born in Blockley, Worcestershire > in abt > 1845. He appears on the 1881 census as living with his family in > 60, Easton > Street, Wycombe. Louis' daughter Elizabeth Louise was my GG > Grandmother. > > > My grandad, before he died, told me that William Butler, the editor > of the > Bucks Free Press, was also an ancestor of mine. > > > But I can't find a connection between Louis Butler & William > Butler. Can > anyone help please? > > > I have found out that William Butler set up the BFP in 1856, died > in 1885 & > had a son Thomas Harsant Butler in Wycombe in the Dec qtr of 1851 (who > succeeded his father as editor). > > Could it be that Louis & Thomas were brothers or cousins perhaps? > > > Thank you for any help you can give. > > > Amanda > *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List, Nathan used the same tactic on other lists--he is now banned from many lists including the Bucks list. To the other members of the list: Remember, the RootsWeb lists are not a place to place advertisements. Thanks for your continued assistance. Regards, Dave Carlsen [email protected] P.O. Box 446, Harlem, GA 30814-0446 USA http://webpages.charter.net/dcarlsen/genuki/BKM/bucksurname.html [Sitting in for the listowner while she's on holiday...] On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:34 AM, Firebird wrote: > Nathan Murphy wrote: > >> Here's a helpful website > > This poster is employed by the company whose site that is and was > making a commercial post which is not allowed under Rootsweb rules > which he knew to be the case. It's what's known as a "come on". > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BUCKS- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Nathan Murphy wrote: > Here's a helpful website This poster is employed by the company whose site that is and was making a commercial post which is not allowed under Rootsweb rules which he knew to be the case. It's what's known as a "come on".

Hi Amanda, I noticed in you email "I have found out that William Butler set up the BFP in 1856, died in 1885 & had a son Thomas Harsant Butler in Wycombe in the Dec qtr of 1851 (who succeeded his father as editor)." I have a transcript of my gggrandfather's diary covering the years 1854 to 1863 in which he mentions a Mr Butler of Wycombe several times. All are concerned with papers, periodicals and books and paying bills for such. (My gggrandfather was a schoolmaster in Haddenham). Several of the entries pre-date 1856 suggesting your Mr Butler (if it is the same man) was in the trade before then. Here's the entries I found: In 1854 I accepted Mr Butler's invitation to become agent to the Wycombe and South Bucks monthly Advertiser and Railway Guide Price /2 at first but in September it was reduced to /1. (January 1854) Tuesday - 26th Our Wycombe friends came to see us, and took 8 papers back to Mr Butler. (May 1854) 26 - Saturday Wrote to the Wycombe paper and sent Mr Butler the particulars of the month. (June 1854) 23 Saturday Wrote to Mr R Welford & Mr Butler ordered 3 dozen papers for next month. (1854) September - 1st to 14th Enjoyed my visit to Wycombe very much - Heard some very good sermons by Mr Pledge visited the Sunday School - Read "The Struggles for life" and some other books - settled with Mr Butler for the papers up to Midsummer (1855) June 24th Sent an advertisement to Mr Butler's paper 1859. Jan 1 - Sat, Went to Wycombe yesterday. Cousin John Francklin died on Wednesday nearly 17 ys of age Settled with Mr Butler 1863 Jan 3. First parcel received from Mr Butler this year contained Periodicals as per order 1 Scripture dictionary -/3, Six Almanacs 3 British Workman & 3 Band of Hope Almanacs Martin On 10 Sep 2007, at 20:38, Amanda Gostelow wrote: > Dear Sheila, > > > > The only other reply I had was off-list from Margaret, see below. > > I have not made any further progress on this, except for a > conversation with > my aunt who said that she was sure we were descended from William > Butler of > the Bucks Free Press, but possibly from way back. Still no sign of > my Louis > - the nearest I can find is a Lewis Butler born in Aylesbury in > 1844 - not > yet convinced! > > > > Amanda > > > > ***************************** > > > _____ > > From: SHEILA REYNOLDS [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 09 September 2007 17:39 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BKM] Butler in Wycombe > > > > Hi Amanda. > > did anyone else reply to your posting? > > I have not seen any come up. > > Sheila > > Dear Listers, > > > I haven't posted anything to the list for quite a while, but have a > problem > that I wish to ask for help with. > > > My GGG Grandad was Louis Butler, born in Blockley, Worcestershire > in abt > 1845. He appears on the 1881 census as living with his family in > 60, Easton > Street, Wycombe. Louis' daughter Elizabeth Louise was my GG > Grandmother. > > > My grandad, before he died, told me that William Butler, the editor > of the > Bucks Free Press, was also an ancestor of mine. > > > But I can't find a connection between Louis Butler & William > Butler. Can > anyone help please? > > > I have found out that William Butler set up the BFP in 1856, died > in 1885 & > had a son Thomas Harsant Butler in Wycombe in the Dec qtr of 1851 (who > succeeded his father as editor). > > Could it be that Louis & Thomas were brothers or cousins perhaps? > > > Thank you for any help you can give. > > > Amanda >

> > I have not made any further progress on this, except for a > > conversation with my aunt who said that she was sure we were > > descended from William Butler of the Bucks Free Press, but possibly > > from way back. Still no sign of my Louis - the nearest I can find is > > a Lewis Butler born in Aylesbury in 1844 - not yet convinced! I think this may have arisen because they were both called Butler and both appeared in Wycombe. Someone may have said 'I wonder if we are related?' and someone else said' I'm sure we must be related...' and that got hardened into 'we are related/. > > This could have arisen because there was an idea in Victorian times that everyone of the same surname 'must' be related. This is behind some of those entries we see in the IGI where Wilbur P Hackensacker has claimed all persons named Smith or jones (almost) as his 'relatives. ' > > > > > > Amanda > > > > > > > > ***************************** > > >

> > I have not made any further progress on this, except for a > > conversation with my aunt who said that she was sure we were > > descended from William Butler of the Bucks Free Press, but possibly > > from way back. Still no sign of my Louis - the nearest I can find is > > a Lewis Butler born in Aylesbury in 1844 - not yet convinced! I think this may have arisen because they were both called Butler and both appeared in Wycombe. Someone may have said 'I wonder if we are related?' and someone else said' I'm sure we must be related...' and that got hardened into 'we are related/. > > This could have arisen because there was an idea in Victorian times that everyone of the same surname 'must' be related. This is behind some of those entries we see in the IGI where Wilbur P Hackensacker has claimed all persons named Smith or jones (almost) as his 'relatives. ' > > > > > > Amanda > > > > > > > > ***************************** > > >

Here's a helpful website: http://www.pricegen.com/english_genealogy.html Nathan

Hi Just to add to the clan! John MEDLEY and Elizabeth TAYLOR are my 8G Grandparents too via the BRIGGENSHAW family. If anyone would like more details please contact me direct. Jenny Deverell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Graham Taylor-Paddick Sent: 11 September 2007 09:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKM] Butler in Wycombe Hi Susie and Amanda, I am also related to Thomas and Matilda Butler through Matilda's parents, however I only have five children for Thomas and Matilda: Mary Ann George William James Thomas Henry Ann I believe that James Thomas and Thomas J in the list you have below are the same person. Please correct me if I am wrong. (I am actually related through Matilda's great great great great grandparents John MEDLEY and Elizabeth TAYLOR who married in Aylesbury in 1662) Graham F. K. Taylor-Paddick Are we researching similar names? Check my index at http://uk.geocities.com/francs2000/famhistindex.htm

Hi Emma, There is a Joseph Fleet listed working at White Field in Quarrendon in 1851. He is an Agr Lab aged 58 born in Whitchurch and is listed as married, although there is no sign of his wife. He is again listed in 1861 but this time at Market Hill, Whitchurch. He is still an Agr Lab, now aged 69 born in Whitchurch, but is now listed as a widower and is accompanied by a son, Richard Fleet aged 35 and born in Whitchurch. He is listed in the IGI as being baptised 02 SEP 1792 Whitchurch, Buckingham to another Jospeh Fleet & Sarah Bird. There is a Philip Vickers listed in 1841 with a daughter called Harriot but they are 20 miles NW of Whitchurch in Brackley, Northants. Philip is listed as an Agr Lab aged 40 born Northants and has a wife Elizabeth, also 40 born Northants, and their duaghter, Harriot aged 20 (note that the 1841 census rounded adults ages to the nearest 5) born Northants who is listed as a Lace Maker. On the IGI Harriot is listed as being baptised 12 MAR 1820 Brackley, Northampton. I am not sure if these are the people you are looking for but hope it is of some help, Al ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:42:23 +0000 From: Bucks Researcher <[email protected]> Subject: [BKM] VICKERS - Harriet born c1826 To: Bucks List <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello I am looking for information regarding one Harriet VICKERS. She was born (in Bucks??) c1826. Her father was named Philip VICKERS and she married Joseph FLEET at Whitchurch in 1846. I have not been able to locate either Joseph or Harriet in any census after 1846. I tried both the free American and Canadian 1880 census on familysearch.org plus the IGI for a reference to her birth, but couldn't find any likely matches. Neither Harriet or her father appear in the 1841 census of Whitchurch. If anybody know of her whereabouts after 1846/origins before her marriage, I would be grateful. Regards Emma Whitchurch One Place Study

--- Bucks Researcher <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello > > I am looking for information regarding one Harriet VICKERS. She was > born (in Bucks??) c1826. Her father was named Philip VICKERS and she > married Joseph FLEET at Whitchurch in 1846. >From the Northamptonshire Marriage Index Philip VICKOURS of Brackley Elizabeth CASTEL otp 1808 10-Nov at Greatworth Marilyn Details of various Northants indexes http://www.northants-familytree.net/ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca

Have you thought of Australia? A lot of Bucks people seem to have gone there in the mid 1800s. Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bucks Researcher" <[email protected]> To: "Bucks List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: [BKM] VICKERS - Harriet born c1826 > Hello > > I am looking for information regarding one Harriet VICKERS. She was born > (in Bucks??) c1826. Her father was named Philip VICKERS and she married > Joseph FLEET at Whitchurch in 1846. > > I have not been able to locate either Joseph or Harriet in any census > after 1846. I tried both the free American and Canadian 1880 census on > familysearch.org plus the IGI for a reference to her birth, but couldn't > find any likely matches. > > Neither Harriet or her father appear in the 1841 census of Whitchurch. > > If anybody know of her whereabouts after 1846/origins before her marriage, > I would be grateful. > > Regards > > Emma > Whitchurch One Place Study > _________________________________________________________________ > The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail > http://www.newhotmail.co.uk > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >