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    1. Re: [BKM] Oakley, Roadnight marriage in Cuddington.Mid 1800s.
    2. arthur newbury
    3. Around 1881-1900 in Wing Bucks was postmaster named Roadknight who married a Newbury Yours truly, Arthur Newbury -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Reg Oakley Sent: 27 October 2007 17:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [BKM] Oakley, Roadnight marriage in Cuddington.Mid 1800s. One of my ancestors is an Isaac Oakley b 1824, m Sophia Roadnight 1845, d 7th May 1848. It was a marriage of only three years and produced one child, another Isaac who is my Gt Grandfather. What has intrigued me is that I have recently got his death certificate, and it states his cause of death as "decline 3 years" It is all a bit vague, but coincidentally 3 years was also the duration of the marriage. So smelling rats that might not have been detectable by forensic scientists in the mid 1800s, exactly what would be meant by decline? Is there any likelyhood of there being any other record of this event than the PRs and Death certs? *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/27/2007 01:20:43
    1. Re: [BKM] Oakley, Roadnight marriage in Cuddington.Mid 1800s.
    2. Brad Rogers
    3. On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 17:21:39 +0100 Reg Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Reg, > So smelling rats that might not have been detectable by forensic > scientists in the mid 1800s, exactly what would be meant by decline? At a guess, the death was not certified by a medical practitioner. This was often the case at that time, hence some of the more "fanciful" causes of death; 'Visitation from God' being one of them. Decline could just mean slowly becoming more ill/aged. The marriage and onset of the decline are probably coincidental, but one could hypothesise that the marriage was either a) causal [he was hen-pecked] or b) symptomatic [he knew his health was declining, so married someone, quickly]. Obviously, there is no way of knowing which, if any, of those is true. > Is there any likelyhood of there being any other record of this event > than the PRs and Death certs? Sadly, no. And the only people that do know are long since deceased. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" A friend of a friend he got beaten I Predict A Riot - Kaiser Chiefs

    10/27/2007 01:04:47
    1. [BKM] Oakley, Roadnight marriage in Cuddington.Mid 1800s.
    2. Reg Oakley
    3. One of my ancestors is an Isaac Oakley b 1824, m Sophia Roadnight 1845, d 7th May 1848. It was a marriage of only three years and produced one child, another Isaac who is my Gt Grandfather. What has intrigued me is that I have recently got his death certificate, and it states his cause of death as "decline 3 years" It is all a bit vague, but coincidentally 3 years was also the duration of the marriage. So smelling rats that might not have been detectable by forensic scientists in the mid 1800s, exactly what would be meant by decline? Is there any likelyhood of there being any other record of this event than the PRs and Death certs?

    10/27/2007 11:21:39
    1. Re: [BKM] Walter family Stewkley look up please
    2. Anne Kennedy
    3. Yes, there's a John 30, Abegal (this is how it looks as if it is spelt), and Robert 5, all born in county. Regards Anne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison PAGE" <[email protected]> To: "Bucks List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: [BKM] Walter family Stewkley look up please Please can anyone help me to fin information relating to the Walter family of Stewkley. John Walter was born c1805 and appears on the 1851 census with his wife Abigail. Can anyone find out when they were married and what her maiden name was? They have a daughter called Eliz(s)abeth bc 1846 also in Stewkley, but i cannot find a record of a birth certificate for her - does anyone have access perhaps to christening records that may help? Finally, can someone see if the family appear on the 1841 census? John and Abigail have a son called Robert b1835 in Stewkley. Thank you very much Alison _________________________________________________________________ 100’s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.11/1094 - Release Date: 26/10/2007 08:50

    10/27/2007 10:54:18
    1. [BKM] Walter family Stewkley look up please
    2. Alison PAGE
    3. Please can anyone help me to fin information relating to the Walter family of Stewkley. John Walter was born c1805 and appears on the 1851 census with his wife Abigail. Can anyone find out when they were married and what her maiden name was? They have a daughter called Eliz(s)abeth bc 1846 also in Stewkley, but i cannot find a record of a birth certificate for her - does anyone have access perhaps to christening records that may help? Finally, can someone see if the family appear on the 1841 census? John and Abigail have a son called Robert b1835 in Stewkley. Thank you very much Alison _________________________________________________________________ 100’s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk

    10/27/2007 08:10:40
    1. Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests
    2. SUSAN DIXON
    3. I'm afraid none of those names ring a bell...yet! Who knows it could be a brother of my William unfortunately all I know is that his father was Thomas. sue Scarth Lawrence Hughes Ryan Harris Lane Leighton Marsh Smith Crisp Patterson Grimshaw Davis Simpson Hesketh Richardson Jones Watson Linklater Walker Wheeldon Wilson are all names of interest to me. ----- Original Message ---- From: Andrea Franks <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 18 October, 2007 10:35:01 AM Subject: Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests Hello Sue, I have West in my line from the Hughendon, Great Missenden area, Robert WEST x Elizabeth ? their son Frederick Bennett c 06.01.1793 (G.M.) Frederick Bennett WEST x 07.02.1811 (G.M.) Sarah FRITH, (Frederick second was to Martha BIGGS). Frederick and Sarah daughter Maria b 01.12.1811, married James RODWELL. Any connection. Regards Andrea -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 18 October 2007 08:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests In a message dated 17/10/2007 19:10:49 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Posting my Buckinghamshire interests GUN WRIGHT PEARCE WEST PETTY SADLER FINCHER PRYOR LANGSTON SPICER WHITHALL SPICER BRAZIER TILBURY DARVELL HAZEL TAYLOR JESKINS HAZEL PUDDIFOOT READING FLEXMAN ...I had no idea there were so many til I started to write them down! Sue *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.0/1076 - Release Date: 2007/10/17 07:53 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.0/1076 - Release Date: 2007/10/17 07:53 PM *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    10/26/2007 05:32:47
    1. Re: [BKM] Surname BLINCO
    2. gill-holland
    3. Could be a variation of the more common Blencowe. Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrea Franks" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: [BKM] Surname BLINCO > Hi all, > > Is there anyone out there researching the surname BLINOC, if so have you > got > any details on the marriage between Ann BLINCO 23.05.1771 (Shenley) David > PARROTT, what I would like to know is if the marriage entry states where > David Parrott comes from. > > > > Regards > > Andrea > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: > 2007/10/23 > 07:39 PM > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    10/24/2007 01:03:07
    1. [BKM] Surname BLINCO
    2. Andrea Franks
    3. Hi all, Is there anyone out there researching the surname BLINOC, if so have you got any details on the marriage between Ann BLINCO 23.05.1771 (Shenley) David PARROTT, what I would like to know is if the marriage entry states where David Parrott comes from. Regards Andrea No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.8/1089 - Release Date: 2007/10/23 07:39 PM

    10/24/2007 08:20:54
    1. [BKM] LIPSCOMBE - child migrants
    2. Paul & Claire Connor
    3. Have just come across the records of two British child migrants to Canada, who aren't part of 'my' Bucks LIPSCOMBEs but might belong to someone else on this list: LIPSCOMBE Alfred W. on the ship 'Scandinavian', left home country 1875 05 02 (http://www.bifhsgo.ca/special_projects/home_children/Middlemore-Index/L-Ind ex.htm) LIPSCOMBE Emily aged 12, SS Sardinian, arrived Canada in 1885 (http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/home-children) Claire

    10/23/2007 01:16:55
    1. Re: [BKM] My Interests - COCKERILL
    2. gill-holland
    3. Hi Graham, several of us are interested in KEYS of ADSTOCK. There were a lot of them in that small village in 1700s up to about 1840s then they moved away , often to America and Australia or various places in England. The line goes back to John KEYS and Mary EDWIN Married in Adstock 21 September 1742.Probably back to John KEYS and Frances DARNELL M Adstock21 October 1714. I have not found a definite link in my KEYS line as there were KEYS in several Bucks villages, although I think my ancestors were tied in somewhere. Which KEYS do you have on your line? There was a Marriage between a KEYS and a TOE---will have to look that one up. Best wishes Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Down" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:06 AM Subject: [BKM] My Interests - COCKERILL > Hi All, > > > > I've been subscribed only a few weeks and have sat quietly until now. > > > > My Bucks interests are: > > > > COCKERILL - Winslow > > WATTS - Adstock / Aylesbury / Shalstone > > TOE/TUE - Shalstone > > KEYS - Adstock > > > > I'd be happy to hear from or swap info with anyone else with similar > interests. > > > > Thanks > > > > Graham Down > > Melbourne Australia > > > > > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

    10/21/2007 03:53:36
    1. Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests:Wills
    2. Eliz Cook
    3. I am researching Alfred Joseph Wills family He married Eliza Phillips Elizabeth. >

    10/20/2007 04:54:24
    1. [BKM] My Interests - COCKERILL
    2. Graham Down
    3. Hi All, I've been subscribed only a few weeks and have sat quietly until now. My Bucks interests are: COCKERILL - Winslow WATTS - Adstock / Aylesbury / Shalstone TOE/TUE - Shalstone KEYS - Adstock I'd be happy to hear from or swap info with anyone else with similar interests. Thanks Graham Down Melbourne Australia

    10/20/2007 04:06:34
    1. Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests
    2. Dougr
    3. Hi Pat I notice that your Puddephats had one 't' in their surname. In the 18th century it seems that how the name was written (e.g. with one 't' or two) depended on who was the vicar at the time. Some of my Puddephatts in Hereford had their surnames spelled differently up to three times - baptised as Puddephatt, married as Pudephat and buried as Puddephat. Cheers Doug ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Ricketts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests > Thanks, Doug, for taking the time to explain the origin of the name > Puddephatt and variants. I found your information very interesting as I > have a Puddephat in my Saunders line. > > John Saunders married [by Lic] 5 Apr 1790 Aldbury Herts Sophia Puddephat, > daughter of Samuel Puddephat & Ann Humphrey. Sophia was bp 21 May 1769 > Aldbury Herts. John Saunders [a grocer of Watford] and Sophia Puddephat > had > at least nine children. > > Regards > Pat in Western Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On > Behalf Of Dougr > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 7:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests > > > Hi Susan > The Puddifoot Name > > My Mother's maiden name was Puddephatt which is one of the variants that > also include Puddifoot, Pudifoot, Puddefoot, Puddiphatt, Pudefat, Pudifat > and Podifat > > She always said that when she was at school other children called her > 'Pudding Fat' - which is hardly surprising as her surname was Puddephatt. > This nickname was not far off the original derivation of the name. > > The first element of the name 'Pudde' is probably the dialectal 'puddy' or > 'poddy' which in Old English meant round or stout in the belly. This came > from the Germanic root 'pud(d) meaning to swell or bulge (i.e. as found in > the word 'pudding' - which is something that swells up when cooked). In > Low > German the word 'puddig' meant thick or stumpy. In Old English the word > 'puduc' meant a wen (ie a fat spot or lump) and the dialectal 'pod' was > used > to describe a large protuberant belly (in which form it still is often > used). In Modern English peas grow in a pod that swells up as the peas > inside ripen. > > It is clear that the second element 'Phatt' is not 'foot' but 'fat' from > the > Old English 'fat' meaning a vessel. With the introduction of the letter > 'v' into English (it was not used in Old German) this word became our > 'vat' > meaning tub or cask. > > So someone given the name Puddephatt would be a person with a prominent > paunch. > > In medieval England the 'd' would have been pronounced as a 't'. Thus > Pudifat (and Puddephatt) would have been pronounced 'putifat' or even > 'putifet'. The 't' pronunciation lives on in modern English words such a > pot and potty - a fat pot (or Pudifat) that goes under the bed. > > The earliest reference to the name that I can locate is one Roger Pudifat > in > Cambridgeshire in 1188. The same gentleman (or someone of the same name) > reappears in Hertfordshire in 1233. In 1212 there was a Herbert Pudifat > in > Yorkshire and in 1213 a Richard Pudefed in Oxfordshire. As spelling did > not start to become standardised until the 17th century and as spoken > English underwent a great vowel shift some two centuries earlier there are > many different written versions of the name one of which was Puddifoot. > Even > in the 20th Century my Mother found that most people when writing her > surname would spell it Puddifoot not Puddephatt. Pddifoot seems to roll > off > the tongue easier in the Bedfordshire/Buckinghamshire dialects. > > It would appear that the surname in its many different forms was largely > restricted to the counties of Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire and > Hertfordshire. So it would appear that for the past 1000 years the > Puddephatts/Puddifoots have not been great travellers. > If you get stuck chasing back your Puddifoot forebears try looking up the > other spelling variants and try searching in North Hertfordshire in > particular. > > Cheers > Doug Rickard > Sydney, Australia > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SUSAN DIXON" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:03 AM > Subject: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests > > >> Posting my Buckinghamshire interests >> >> GUN WRIGHT PEARCE WEST PETTY SADLER FINCHER PRYOR LANGSTON SPICER >> WHITHALL > SPICER BRAZIER TILBURY DARVELL HAZEL TAYLOR JESKINS HAZEL PUDDIFOOT > READING > FLEXMAN ...I had no idea there were so many til I started to write them > down! >> Sue >> *************************************** >> >> BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ >> BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ >> Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1075 - Release Date: > 10/17/2007 > 9:38 AM > > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

    10/19/2007 08:59:02
    1. Re: [BKM] BUCKS Digest, Vol 2, Issue 251
    2. Posting my Bucking ham interests: Please contact me if there's any connection. Joseph Pearce born 1775 Hannah Batchelor born 1775 married 1795 Timothy Pearce born 1798 Elizabeth Burch born 1796 married 1816 Israel Pearce born 1823 Sophia Holloway born 1892 married 1847 Joseph Pearce born 1855 Charlotte Saunders born 1853 married 1876 migrated to the US 1892 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

    10/19/2007 01:47:49
    1. Re: [BKM] William WALL's marriage found
    2. Andrea Franks
    3. Hello John, On William's burial entry it states that he was a cordwainer 13.12.1767 aged 80y (Waddesdon). On the marriage entry I found William Wall of Grendon Underwood (Cordwainer) and Elizabeth HUDSON in yr pish of Waddesdon married by Licence 27.10.1723 (Ludgershall) Elizabeth was buried 28.02.1768 (82y) Waddesdon. As you state Sarah was c 14.11.1731 (Waddesdon) and married Thomas CANNON. Elizabeth c 04.12.1724 d.o. William and Elizabeth, Martha c 24.09.1733 d.o William and Mary Thomas c 18.04.1735 s.o William Mary c 05.06.1737 d.o. William I have not found any other children for William and Elizabeth Maybe I am wrong, do you by perchance have a burial entry for your Mary, if so I will undo what I have found and start all over again. (Their granddaughter Elizabeth married William FRANKS) that's my line Regards, Andrea FRANKS -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Sullivan Sent: 19 October 2007 03:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKM] William WALL's marriage found Hi Andrea. My Sarah WALL was bn Waddesdon 4 Nov 1731. I have been assuming that her father William bp 2 May 1693 Grendon Underwood md Mary ? between 1720 & 1730, no source recalled. Is this a case of the wrong Sarah or the wrong William?! My Sarah md Thomas CANNON 2 Jan 1753 Waddesdon. *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 2007/10/19 05:10 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: 2007/10/19 05:10 AM

    10/19/2007 11:22:22
    1. Re: [BKM] William WALL's marriage found
    2. John Sullivan
    3. Hi Andrea. My Sarah WALL was bn Waddesdon 4 Nov 1731. I have been assuming that her father William bp 2 May 1693 Grendon Underwood md Mary ? between 1720 & 1730, no source recalled. Is this a case of the wrong Sarah or the wrong William?! My Sarah md Thomas CANNON 2 Jan 1753 Waddesdon.

    10/19/2007 08:27:11
    1. [BKM] SMITH, PEARCE
    2. SMITH and PEARCE in my lines too - Flackwell Heath Al Dawson [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: SUSAN DIXON <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:40 pm Subject: Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests My Pearces came from Holmer Green, Joseph born 1780 Charles born 1810 Jeffery born 1831 Frank born 1869. Sue Scarth Lawrence Hughes Ryan Harris Lane Leighton Marsh Smith Crisp Patterson Grimshaw Davis Simpson Hesketh Richardson Jones Watson Linklater Walker Wheeldon Wilson are all names of interest to me. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ruth Webb <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 18 October, 2007 1:31:13 PM Subject: Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests I also have West and Pearce/Pierce in my lines. Earliest West so far is Willam, married Mary Chilton in Hughenden, 1763. The Pearces are from the Lee and Wendover area, back to John, born about 1776 at the Lee and married Ann Verney in 1855 at the Lee. I also have another line at Little Missenden which I've yet to follow, so far I only have Mary Pierce born about 1800. Any connections? Ruth Brown, Redrup, West, Pearce/Pierce, James, Charge, Elmore, Webb. SUSAN DIXON wrote: > Posting my Buckinghamshire interests > > GUN WRIGHT PEARCE WEST PETTY SADLER FINCHER PRYOR LANGSTON SPICER WHITHALL SPICER BRAZIER TILBURY DARVELL HAZEL TAYLOR JESKINS HAZEL PUDDIFOOT READING FLEXMAN ...I had no idea there were so many til I started to write them down! > Sue > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

    10/18/2007 06:08:50
    1. Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests
    2. Pat Ricketts
    3. Thanks, Doug, for taking the time to explain the origin of the name Puddephatt and variants. I found your information very interesting as I have a Puddephat in my Saunders line. John Saunders married [by Lic] 5 Apr 1790 Aldbury Herts Sophia Puddephat, daughter of Samuel Puddephat & Ann Humphrey. Sophia was bp 21 May 1769 Aldbury Herts. John Saunders [a grocer of Watford] and Sophia Puddephat had at least nine children. Regards Pat in Western Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Dougr Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 7:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests Hi Susan The Puddifoot Name My Mother's maiden name was Puddephatt which is one of the variants that also include Puddifoot, Pudifoot, Puddefoot, Puddiphatt, Pudefat, Pudifat and Podifat She always said that when she was at school other children called her 'Pudding Fat' - which is hardly surprising as her surname was Puddephatt. This nickname was not far off the original derivation of the name. The first element of the name 'Pudde' is probably the dialectal 'puddy' or 'poddy' which in Old English meant round or stout in the belly. This came from the Germanic root 'pud(d) meaning to swell or bulge (i.e. as found in the word 'pudding' - which is something that swells up when cooked). In Low German the word 'puddig' meant thick or stumpy. In Old English the word 'puduc' meant a wen (ie a fat spot or lump) and the dialectal 'pod' was used to describe a large protuberant belly (in which form it still is often used). In Modern English peas grow in a pod that swells up as the peas inside ripen. It is clear that the second element 'Phatt' is not 'foot' but 'fat' from the Old English 'fat' meaning a vessel. With the introduction of the letter 'v' into English (it was not used in Old German) this word became our 'vat' meaning tub or cask. So someone given the name Puddephatt would be a person with a prominent paunch. In medieval England the 'd' would have been pronounced as a 't'. Thus Pudifat (and Puddephatt) would have been pronounced 'putifat' or even 'putifet'. The 't' pronunciation lives on in modern English words such a pot and potty - a fat pot (or Pudifat) that goes under the bed. The earliest reference to the name that I can locate is one Roger Pudifat in Cambridgeshire in 1188. The same gentleman (or someone of the same name) reappears in Hertfordshire in 1233. In 1212 there was a Herbert Pudifat in Yorkshire and in 1213 a Richard Pudefed in Oxfordshire. As spelling did not start to become standardised until the 17th century and as spoken English underwent a great vowel shift some two centuries earlier there are many different written versions of the name one of which was Puddifoot. Even in the 20th Century my Mother found that most people when writing her surname would spell it Puddifoot not Puddephatt. Pddifoot seems to roll off the tongue easier in the Bedfordshire/Buckinghamshire dialects. It would appear that the surname in its many different forms was largely restricted to the counties of Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire and Hertfordshire. So it would appear that for the past 1000 years the Puddephatts/Puddifoots have not been great travellers. If you get stuck chasing back your Puddifoot forebears try looking up the other spelling variants and try searching in North Hertfordshire in particular. Cheers Doug Rickard Sydney, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "SUSAN DIXON" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:03 AM Subject: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests > Posting my Buckinghamshire interests > > GUN WRIGHT PEARCE WEST PETTY SADLER FINCHER PRYOR LANGSTON SPICER WHITHALL SPICER BRAZIER TILBURY DARVELL HAZEL TAYLOR JESKINS HAZEL PUDDIFOOT READING FLEXMAN ...I had no idea there were so many til I started to write them down! > Sue > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message *************************************** BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1075 - Release Date: 10/17/2007 9:38 AM

    10/18/2007 01:48:33
    1. [BKM] emmigration
    2. SUSAN DIXON
    3. There are so many knowlegeable people on this list I thought you may be able to give me some advice regarding people emigrating to Kenya. I have looked at findmypast but there are very few ships going to Africa. Could anyone advuse me as to which port people would have sailed to ? Sue Scarth Lawrence Hughes Ryan Harris Lane Leighton Marsh Smith Crisp Patterson Grimshaw Davis Simpson Hesketh Richardson Jones Watson Linklater Walker Wheeldon Wilson are all names of interest to me.

    10/18/2007 01:19:18
    1. Re: [BKM] Posting my Buckinghamshire interests - Pearce
    2. Ruth Webb
    3. Hi Eileen, we were going to swop info a while back but we seemed to lose touch. Want to try again? Ruth [email protected] wrote: > Hi Ruth, > > I also have John Pearce and Ann Verney in my tree. Their daughter Ann > married James Pearce - well I think she did, have still to find absolute proof of > it yet although all the information I have at the moment points to their > marriage. > > Eileen > > > > > *************************************** > > BGS Website: http://www.bucksgs.org.uk/ > BFHS Website: http://www.bucksfhs.org.uk/ > Bucks Genuki Website: http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

    10/18/2007 12:25:09