Hello everyone! My name is Sandee Bryant Mattox, and I have tried this many times before, and thus far had no luck, but I am a true Bryant - stubborn, persistent and determined. My father was Earl John Bryant (b 1929 d 1992). My grandfather was Edward Cameron Bryant and my grandmother was Maud Marks Bryant, both from Buckingham County, Virginia and married in Amherst County, Virginia. My great grandfather was Powhatan Bryant, brother of David Bryant and Lafeyette Bryant (died/missing in the Civil War) and my great grandmother was Mary Francis Via, again, all from Buckingham County, Virginia. My great great grandfather was Powell Bryant. That's where my search begins. I can't find anything relative to my great great great grandfather. I have been told that his name was William and I have information that he married an Elizabeth Pedditt, but I can not confirm any of this. Yes, I have talked to a cousin in Virginia who has written books and "researched" the family records - and although I don't doubt her credibility, I personally am not 100% sure that everything she has found is truly relative to my family. I have another wonderful cousin, Alfred Bryant, who has also been researching the family genealogy for many years and provided me with much of the information I currently have. If you have any information regarding the Bryants of Buckingham County, Amherst County, Nelson County, Lynchburg or counties/cities in these areas of Virginia, please let me know. My father's brother, Cameron Bryant did research on the family many years ago, and it was his contention that we derived from Brian Boru of Ireland and from the O'Brien clan and I have copies of his information, but I can find no connection that I can prove between my family and the documentation he provided. If I could find out about my great great great grandfather, perhaps I could pass that road block and continue working back to the immigrant who actually came to this country, if that's the case. What the heck - it's worth a shot! Thanks!!!!!!! Sandee Mattox

Please note my error in former posting to this list. Abbreviation for Arkansas should be AR, not AK . . . I'll try this again. Cindy Crowson - Could this be them? 1920 Federal Census for Dist. 73, Hot Springs, Garland County, Arkansas Sheet 8B, Dwelling 185, Fam. 190 Bryant, Jessie A, - Head, M, W, age 43, M, TN, US, US Bryant, Ida B, - Wife, F, W, 43, M, GA, GA, GA Bryant, Junia P, - Dau, F, W, 14, S, MS, TN, GA Howell, Clair O, - Step Dau, F, W, 12, S, AL, AL, GA Howell, Edna L, - Step Dau, F, W, 10, S, MS, AL, GA Bryant, Charley W, - Son, M, W, 12, S, MS, TN, GA Bryant, Wadela or Wanela M, - Dau, F, W, 6, S, AR, TN, GA Bryant, Walter T, - Son, M, W, 10/12, S, AR, TN, GA

Cindy Crowson - Could this be them? 1920 Federal Census for Dist. 73, Hot Springs, Garland County, Arkansas Sheet 8B, Dwelling 185, Fam. 190 Bryant, Jessie A, - Head, M, W, age 43, M, TN, US, US Bryant, Ida B, - Wife, F, W, 43, M, GA, GA, GA Bryant, Junia P, - Dau, F, W, 14, S, MS, TN, GA Howell, Clair O, - Step Dau, F, W, 12, S, AL, AL, GA Howell, Edna L, - Step Dau, F, W, 10, S, MS, AL, GA Bryant, Charley W, - Son, M, W, 12, S, MS, TN, GA Bryant, Wadela or Wanela M, - Dau, F, W, 6, S, Ak, TN, GA Bryant, Walter T, - Son, M, W, 10/12, S, AK, TN, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy C" <Arkiebell@hotmail.com> To: <bryant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [BRYANT] BRYANT Digest, Vol 2, Issue 74 > Does anyone have any history on Bryant families from southern Mississippi? > It's been quite awhile since I've inquired. I've been in college for the > past five years and my time has been limited. I just graduated today, and > as soon as I settle into my new job I hope to get really into this search. > > My grandfather was Charles Winston Fredrick Ray Bryant born about > 1907...His older brother was Junior Jefferson Pearson Bryant. I thought > it > was unusual that they had so many names. There were older sisters. > Grandpa > said he was born near Hattiesburg, MS. But he has no birth certificate. > He > said it burnt in the courthouse, however history shows that Hattiesburg > was > not the county seat at the time of his birth, and the records that burnt > were copies (not originals) from the previous county seat I checked there > and found no record of his birth. He received his social security card by > a > letter from an aunt who stated she was at the birth. I don't have a copy > of > this and don't know how to get it. His father was simply known as "Jesse > Bryant" ( which is a very common Bryant name in Mississippi) and is buried > in a unmarked at Hicks Cemetery in Saline County, Arkansas. We have no > knowledge about his mother. Rumor has it that she died either while > giving > birth or shortly after the birth of my grandfather. The family (children > and ggrandfather) arrived in Arkansas sometime between 1910 and 1920. > They > resided for some time near Hot Springs Arkansas where my ggrandfather > worked > for Mt. Valley Water...back in the day when it was a resort. My > ggrandfather was a drifter of sorts. We know he traveled from Mississippi > to Arkansas over to Oklahoma, and back to Arkansas. My grandfather also > traveled around the US prior to marrying my grandmother. Rumor has it she > told him to get it out of his system before they married...however...they > also lived in Arkansas, Oklahoma, back to Arkansas and finally to Texas > where they are both buried. > > This is my elusive family .I managed to trace most of my other family > trails back to the 1600's, but I can't seem to get past the family in > Arkansas on this side. > > Cindy Crowson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bryant-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <bryant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:01 AM > Subject: BRYANT Digest, Vol 2, Issue 74 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 in Tennessee >> (Abigail Dennison) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:32:45 -0400 >> From: "Abigail Dennison" <abanks@dnet.net> >> Subject: Re: [BRYANT] Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 in >> Tennessee >> To: <bryant@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <014301c79959$668faee0$6d01a8c0@yourze8cxvr8tt> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Dear Elaine, >> I don't know if this will be any help to you or not. My BRYANT ancestors >> came to Floyd Co., Ga. from Spartanburg SC prob. in the 1840s. There may >> have been family there already, I do not know. I do know there were >> other >> BRYANTs in Floyd Co., Ga., Rome area. My gg-grands were from the BRYANT >> and LITTLEJOHN lines and I think there may have been family there. Just >> wanted to give you a place to look. Good hunting. >> Abigail >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "elaine day" <elainejd53@yahoo.com> >> To: <Bryant@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:42 PM >> Subject: [BRYANT] Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 in Tennessee >> >> >>>I am searching for a Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 to Unknown >>>parents both of whom were born in Georgia. I know very little about >>>Sallie >>>except that she married a Samuel Lewis Hopkins about 1839 or 1840 and >>>gave >>>birth to their first child in 1841 in Ala. They then migrated to Warren >>>County Tennessee between 1841 and 1850 and by 1860 are found in >>>Rutherford >>>County Tennessee. Sam is the oldest son of John Hopkins and Margaret >>>Fox. >>>John and his family traveled fromWarren County Tennessee to Jackson >>>County, >>>Illinois by 1820 then back to Tennessee then on to Polk County Missouri >>>by >>>1840. Any help with Sallie will be appreciated. I have very little info >>>other then what I have posted about her parents. I can document the >>>whole >>>Hopkins family from 1840 to present day if anyone can place her. >>>Elaine >>>Hopkins Day >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> It's here! Your new message! >>> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Does anyone have any history on Bryant families from southern Mississippi? It's been quite awhile since I've inquired. I've been in college for the past five years and my time has been limited. I just graduated today, and as soon as I settle into my new job I hope to get really into this search. My grandfather was Charles Winston Fredrick Ray Bryant born about 1907...His older brother was Junior Jefferson Pearson Bryant. I thought it was unusual that they had so many names. There were older sisters. Grandpa said he was born near Hattiesburg, MS. But he has no birth certificate. He said it burnt in the courthouse, however history shows that Hattiesburg was not the county seat at the time of his birth, and the records that burnt were copies (not originals) from the previous county seat I checked there and found no record of his birth. He received his social security card by a letter from an aunt who stated she was at the birth. I don't have a copy of this and don't know how to get it. His father was simply known as "Jesse Bryant" ( which is a very common Bryant name in Mississippi) and is buried in a unmarked at Hicks Cemetery in Saline County, Arkansas. We have no knowledge about his mother. Rumor has it that she died either while giving birth or shortly after the birth of my grandfather. The family (children and ggrandfather) arrived in Arkansas sometime between 1910 and 1920. They resided for some time near Hot Springs Arkansas where my ggrandfather worked for Mt. Valley Water...back in the day when it was a resort. My ggrandfather was a drifter of sorts. We know he traveled from Mississippi to Arkansas over to Oklahoma, and back to Arkansas. My grandfather also traveled around the US prior to marrying my grandmother. Rumor has it she told him to get it out of his system before they married...however...they also lived in Arkansas, Oklahoma, back to Arkansas and finally to Texas where they are both buried. This is my elusive family .I managed to trace most of my other family trails back to the 1600's, but I can't seem to get past the family in Arkansas on this side. Cindy Crowson ----- Original Message ----- From: <bryant-request@rootsweb.com> To: <bryant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:01 AM Subject: BRYANT Digest, Vol 2, Issue 74 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 in Tennessee > (Abigail Dennison) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:32:45 -0400 > From: "Abigail Dennison" <abanks@dnet.net> > Subject: Re: [BRYANT] Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 in > Tennessee > To: <bryant@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <014301c79959$668faee0$6d01a8c0@yourze8cxvr8tt> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Dear Elaine, > I don't know if this will be any help to you or not. My BRYANT ancestors > came to Floyd Co., Ga. from Spartanburg SC prob. in the 1840s. There may > have been family there already, I do not know. I do know there were other > BRYANTs in Floyd Co., Ga., Rome area. My gg-grands were from the BRYANT > and LITTLEJOHN lines and I think there may have been family there. Just > wanted to give you a place to look. Good hunting. > Abigail > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "elaine day" <elainejd53@yahoo.com> > To: <Bryant@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:42 PM > Subject: [BRYANT] Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 in Tennessee > > >>I am searching for a Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 to Unknown >>parents both of whom were born in Georgia. I know very little about >>Sallie >>except that she married a Samuel Lewis Hopkins about 1839 or 1840 and gave >>birth to their first child in 1841 in Ala. They then migrated to Warren >>County Tennessee between 1841 and 1850 and by 1860 are found in Rutherford >>County Tennessee. Sam is the oldest son of John Hopkins and Margaret Fox. >>John and his family traveled fromWarren County Tennessee to Jackson >>County, >>Illinois by 1820 then back to Tennessee then on to Polk County Missouri by >>1840. Any help with Sallie will be appreciated. I have very little info >>other then what I have posted about her parents. I can document the whole >>Hopkins family from 1840 to present day if anyone can place her. >>Elaine >>Hopkins Day >> >> --------------------------------- >> It's here! Your new message! >> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! 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Hi I'm doing research on William Murdock who married Eva Walker in Manitoba, Canada. They had a daughter who married a George Victor Bryant, don't know when. I'm looking for the children of said father. Their mother would be Sadie Matilda Rutt. I could use names, dates, of course you know anything else. Could any of the children or grandchildren be still alive? Just thinking out loud. Thanks for you help. Richard dates

Elaine, This letter caught my eye. I don't have info for you but a couple of things struck me. I have Charles and Obriant/Bryant lines that are from S. Carolina and Georgia, notably, Spartanburg and Gilmer Co., Forsyth, Jackson, Hall, Gwinnett etc. I have been searching the Warren co. records that I can find online, military, survey, old tax lists and 1820 and 1830 fed cen. I find my Johnson line, my Jones line and my Charles line as neighbors. I am not sure that the Bryants aren't here too. There are different Bryants but I have been wondering about John, David and Needham. Later I find my Bryants with Browns. The Jones and Johnsons traveled to Mo. Some of the Charles stayed in Warren, DeKalb, Coffee Co. and the Bryants and Obriants, I found in Gilmer co and etc. It would appear that a lot of these people were claiming land grants from past military service. I haven't been able to trace my Bryants back for sure longer than Caleb OBriant, about 1800 in Georgia, from S. C. I would say that there is a strong possability that we are related there, but I still have to find a nail to hang all of this on. Calebs father is a mystery to me. If you find anything to connect-- please let me know. Joyce >From: elaine day <elainejd53@yahoo.com> >Reply-To: bryant@rootsweb.com >To: Bryant@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BRYANT] Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 in Tennessee >Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:42:45 -0700 (PDT) > >I am searching for a Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 to Unknown >parents both of whom were born in Georgia. I know very little about Sallie >except that she married a Samuel Lewis Hopkins about 1839 or 1840 and gave >birth to their first child in 1841 in Ala. They then migrated to Warren >County Tennessee between 1841 and 1850 and by 1860 are found in Rutherford >County Tennessee. Sam is the oldest son of John Hopkins and Margaret Fox. >John and his family traveled fromWarren County Tennessee to Jackson County, >Illinois by 1820 then back to Tennessee then on to Polk County Missouri by >1840. Any help with Sallie will be appreciated. I have very little info >other then what I have posted about her parents. I can document the whole >Hopkins family from 1840 to present day if anyone can place her. Elaine >Hopkins Day > >--------------------------------- >It's here! Your new message! >Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BRYANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507

Dear Elaine, I don't know if this will be any help to you or not. My BRYANT ancestors came to Floyd Co., Ga. from Spartanburg SC prob. in the 1840s. There may have been family there already, I do not know. I do know there were other BRYANTs in Floyd Co., Ga., Rome area. My gg-grands were from the BRYANT and LITTLEJOHN lines and I think there may have been family there. Just wanted to give you a place to look. Good hunting. Abigail ----- Original Message ----- From: "elaine day" <elainejd53@yahoo.com> To: <Bryant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: [BRYANT] Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 in Tennessee >I am searching for a Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 to Unknown >parents both of whom were born in Georgia. I know very little about Sallie >except that she married a Samuel Lewis Hopkins about 1839 or 1840 and gave >birth to their first child in 1841 in Ala. They then migrated to Warren >County Tennessee between 1841 and 1850 and by 1860 are found in Rutherford >County Tennessee. Sam is the oldest son of John Hopkins and Margaret Fox. >John and his family traveled fromWarren County Tennessee to Jackson County, >Illinois by 1820 then back to Tennessee then on to Polk County Missouri by >1840. Any help with Sallie will be appreciated. I have very little info >other then what I have posted about her parents. I can document the whole >Hopkins family from 1840 to present day if anyone can place her. Elaine >Hopkins Day > > --------------------------------- > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRYANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I am searching for a Sarah "Sallie" Bryant born about 1825 to Unknown parents both of whom were born in Georgia. I know very little about Sallie except that she married a Samuel Lewis Hopkins about 1839 or 1840 and gave birth to their first child in 1841 in Ala. They then migrated to Warren County Tennessee between 1841 and 1850 and by 1860 are found in Rutherford County Tennessee. Sam is the oldest son of John Hopkins and Margaret Fox. John and his family traveled fromWarren County Tennessee to Jackson County, Illinois by 1820 then back to Tennessee then on to Polk County Missouri by 1840. Any help with Sallie will be appreciated. I have very little info other then what I have posted about her parents. I can document the whole Hopkins family from 1840 to present day if anyone can place her. Elaine Hopkins Day --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.

New on Y-Search H2GW6 William Bryant b4Oct1809 d7Oct1899 Pulaski County,Ky son of Abner Bryant b31Aug1777 VA d3May1872 Science Hill, Pulaski county,KY http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=2&S=14&Z=16&X=221&Y=1285&W=1 John Bryant R1b1c* http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b/ Irish Type III http://au.geocities.com/t120r61/Irish_Type_III.htm #57501 at O’Brien project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/obrien/ Josiah Bryant Cooperative Research Group http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourbryants/index.htm

There is a new Bryant sample from Sorenson posted on ysearch TAAMP TAAMP is Irish type III you may want to compare to see if your related

to all Bryant's There is now 56 up from 55 Bryant samples on familytreeDNA. I have been able to contact a match on the Sorenson database. A Bryant that Irish Type III that matches me 34/37. He matches a O'Brien 37/37. Some O'Briens that match me are being upgraded to Y67. There are currently 3 people with other surnames that match me being upgraded to Y67. Two other have just had there results posted at Y67. Maybe it time for the Bryant's to get up to speed on this new way to do research!!! Many other surnames have 150 to 200 samples of DNA to compare. Some surnames have over 400 samples on file. For this to get result for all Bryant's, numbers of samples is very important. I have started a study of Irish Type III families that were in the New River Area of VA and NC before 1800. They appear to arrive in SC and move north. John Bryant R1b1c* http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b/ Irish Type III http://au.geocities.com/t120r61/Irish_Type_III.htm #57501 at O’Brien project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/obrien/ Josiah Bryant Cooperative Research Group http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourbryants/index.htm

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Three Bryant matched at Y37 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/OBRIENCLAN/2007-04/1176493442 John Bryant R1b1c* http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b/ Irish Type III http://au.geocities.com/t120r61/Irish_Type_III.htm #57501 at O’Brien project http://www.familytreedna.com/public/obrien/ Josiah Bryant Cooperative Research Group http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourbryants/index.htm ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Keith.W. Bryant" <k8w5bry79@hotmail.com> Reply-To: bryant@rootsweb.com To: bryant@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRYANT] Fw: [ROBINSON] Sam's Question Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 09:41:12 +1000 Abigail, Hi!, Thanks for the enlightenment, truly a great effort by Don, all very much clearer now, and I am now thinking of submitting, just to see whether "My Mob", came over with William the ConQ or if I am Irish orsome other. I must now look for the least expensive course to follow. Keith. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRYANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Abigail, Hi!, Thanks for the enlightenment, truly a great effort by Don, all very much clearer now, and I am now thinking of submitting, just to see whether "My Mob", came over with William the ConQ or if I am Irish orsome other. I must now look for the least expensive course to follow. Keith.

Thanks Keith. I thought it was a good explanation also. At least it simplified it somewhat. Right now I don't know of any male BRYANTs in my line, although they certainly intermarried with my SHIPLEY line more than once. If I do find one I would recommend they use the FamilyTreeDNA site as personally I feel that is more reliable and easier to share information with others. Abigail North Carolina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith.W. Bryant" <k8w5bry79@hotmail.com> To: <bryant@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [BRYANT] Fw: [ROBINSON] Sam's Question > Abigail, Hi!, Thanks for the enlightenment, truly a great effort by Don, all > very much clearer now, and I am now thinking of submitting, just to see > whether "My Mob", came over with William the ConQ or if I am Irish orsome > other. I must now look for the least expensive course to follow. Keith. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRYANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bill, Hi!, Thank you for that, that is a really good explanation, it is now much clearer as to what John is about, of course his desire is for Bryants, and all their other derivations, to conect to his project, that is O K with me and I may soon do something about it. Where do your Bryants come into the picture, G B, USA, Can or other places?. Thanks again Keith.

The Robinson prject sorts their groups by HAPLOGROUP Take a look. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~drakerobinson/DNAPages/RobinsonDNA.htm ============================================================= Keith wrote John, Hi!, I am getting more confused than ever, please explain the Theory behind the Project, whose DNA are you comparing???, surely not Brian Boru, Count Brienne, or any other Ancient?. or is it to ascertain if all in any Family are truly Descendants of the same Parents, or Grand Parents.??. and also, do we Really have to know?. Keith W. BRYANT. ============================================================= If you go to this link there is a very good slide show on Hoplogroups http://www.dnaheritage.com/haplogroups/SNP_procedure_split_1.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRYANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Abigail That is a great piece of writing. The thing that bothers me a little bit is the statement that is the copies get fuzzy. Each marker on average changes 1 time every 500 generations and that make a fuzzy clock if you know how to make the calculation. When test at Y67 it not too fuzzy in a couple of years there will be a Y100 test and that will be even less fuzzy. john B. project software any volunteers http://www.dna-pat.com/ http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/genealogy-dna/2007-02/1172410771 http://forums.dna-pat.com/index.php ============================================================= I thought that some of you on the BRYANT list would benefit / enjoy reading the basics regarding DNA testing. This came from my ROBINSON list and I felt it was worth the read. Somehow simplifies some of it. Abigail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Drake" <dondrake@surfnetnc.com> To: <robinson@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [ROBINSON] Sam's Question >I spent some time today sorting out the Robinson DNA page placing the > results within matching subgroups. Hopefully, that will make it easier > to see who is related and who is not. > > First, a little DNA basics. You may remember from high school that > every cell in our bodies (except for the red blood cells) contains our > individual DNA fingerprint. The DNA is contained in the Mitochondria, > which are located in the cell body and in the X and Y chromosomes found > in the cell's nucleus. When a baby is conceived, the child receives one > chromosome from each parent; an X chromosome from the mother and either > an X or Y from the father. The father's contribution determines the > child's gender; the Y chromosome results in a male child and an X > chromosome results in a female child. The Mitochondria are past from the > mother to each of her children. There are two types of DNA projects > available to genealogists: a Y-DNA project or a MtDNA (mitochondrial) > Project. Because the Y chromosome is passed only from father to son, > participants in a Y-DNA project must be male and the project examines > the ancestry of the direct male line. Conversely, the participants in a > MtDNA project may be either male or female and, since males do not pass > Mitochondria on to any of their children, these projects examine the > mother's ancestry following her direct female line. > > Every time a male child is born, a copy of the father's Y chromosome is > passed along. Now imagine that you make a copy of a photograph on a > copy machine and then you make a copy of the copy, instead of using the > original to make the second. The second copy will not be as clear as > either the original or the first copy. If you keep making copies of the > copies, eventually, the result will become very fuzzy. The same thing > happens with the Y chromosome. > A man's DNA contains Alleles or "markers." Over time, these markers > begin to mutate. Thousands of years ago, when the early humans began to > migrate to different parts of the world, they formed isolated population > groups, (Haplo Groups). As new generations were born, the Y chromosome > began to mutate, but the different populations mutated on different > markers. Today, when we look at a man's DNA, we can tell where his > earlier ancestors came from (his Haplo Group) by looking to see which > markers mutated. > > Each DNA marker is made up of repeating sequences of acids and other > stuff that . . . well I don't know what they are. But they repeat. You > count how many times they repeat and that's the value for that marker. > When you look at someone's DNA result, you will see a group of up to 67 > one and two-digit numbers. The numbers don't mean that much by > themselves. Well, not to me anyway. But when we compare two tests, > that tells us a lot about the two donors. We can determine how likely > it is they share a recent common ancestor (recent being since 1000 A.D.) > and when that ancestor likely lived. > > So, to get a DNA signature for Rev. John Robinson's family, we don't > need to take Rev. John's DNA, we simply need to take a sample from his > living, direct line, male, descendants. If we find two living males, > surnamed Robinson, who can show a paper trail following a direct, > unbroken, male line (no females in the line) back to Rev. John Robinson, > we would expect their Y-DNA results to be exact matches. If they are > not exact matches and they are off by more than one or two mutations, > then more than likely, one of them has made a mistake in his research or > there may have been an adoption or a non-paternal event (politically > correct way of saying that someone had an affair). > > Currently, FamilyTreeDNA offers DNA products of 12, 25, 37 and 67 > markers. The higher the marker, the greater our confidence that an > exact match will correctly predict a recent common ancestor. For > instance if two individuals match on 12 out of 12 markers, then they > have a 55% chance of sharing a common ancestor within the past 8 > generations (by the fifth great grandfather). For a 25/25 match that > probability is 85%, a 37/37 match is 97% and a 67/67 match is 100%. > > I hope this helps. > > Don > > sam kelly wrote: >> Don, >> Good info but I am am absolute ignorant when it comes to these lists. >> Could you please tell me if ALL these Robinsons are related then?? sam >> >> Don Drake <dondrake@surfnetnc.com> wrote: >> I just uploaded ancestor charts for the donors of Kit Numbers 82612: >> EKA >> Thomas Robinson b.c. 1803 in England and N31651: EKA, John Robinson who >> arrived in Chester, PA on the Bristol Merchant in September of 1685 with >> his wife, Katherine. >> >> Please check them out. Again, if there are any donors on the list who >> haven't gotten me their EKAs, please do so. >> >> Thanks again, >> Don >> > > > -- > > Donald E. Drake > > Moyock, NC > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~drakerobinson/index.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROBINSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRYANT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought that some of you on the BRYANT list would benefit / enjoy reading the basics regarding DNA testing. This came from my ROBINSON list and I felt it was worth the read. Somehow simplifies some of it. Abigail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Drake" <dondrake@surfnetnc.com> To: <robinson@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [ROBINSON] Sam's Question >I spent some time today sorting out the Robinson DNA page placing the > results within matching subgroups. Hopefully, that will make it easier > to see who is related and who is not. > > First, a little DNA basics. You may remember from high school that > every cell in our bodies (except for the red blood cells) contains our > individual DNA fingerprint. The DNA is contained in the Mitochondria, > which are located in the cell body and in the X and Y chromosomes found > in the cell's nucleus. When a baby is conceived, the child receives one > chromosome from each parent; an X chromosome from the mother and either > an X or Y from the father. The father's contribution determines the > child's gender; the Y chromosome results in a male child and an X > chromosome results in a female child. The Mitochondria are past from the > mother to each of her children. There are two types of DNA projects > available to genealogists: a Y-DNA project or a MtDNA (mitochondrial) > Project. Because the Y chromosome is passed only from father to son, > participants in a Y-DNA project must be male and the project examines > the ancestry of the direct male line. Conversely, the participants in a > MtDNA project may be either male or female and, since males do not pass > Mitochondria on to any of their children, these projects examine the > mother's ancestry following her direct female line. > > Every time a male child is born, a copy of the father's Y chromosome is > passed along. Now imagine that you make a copy of a photograph on a > copy machine and then you make a copy of the copy, instead of using the > original to make the second. The second copy will not be as clear as > either the original or the first copy. If you keep making copies of the > copies, eventually, the result will become very fuzzy. The same thing > happens with the Y chromosome. > A man's DNA contains Alleles or "markers." Over time, these markers > begin to mutate. Thousands of years ago, when the early humans began to > migrate to different parts of the world, they formed isolated population > groups, (Haplo Groups). As new generations were born, the Y chromosome > began to mutate, but the different populations mutated on different > markers. Today, when we look at a man's DNA, we can tell where his > earlier ancestors came from (his Haplo Group) by looking to see which > markers mutated. > > Each DNA marker is made up of repeating sequences of acids and other > stuff that . . . well I don't know what they are. But they repeat. You > count how many times they repeat and that's the value for that marker. > When you look at someone's DNA result, you will see a group of up to 67 > one and two-digit numbers. The numbers don't mean that much by > themselves. Well, not to me anyway. But when we compare two tests, > that tells us a lot about the two donors. We can determine how likely > it is they share a recent common ancestor (recent being since 1000 A.D.) > and when that ancestor likely lived. > > So, to get a DNA signature for Rev. John Robinson's family, we don't > need to take Rev. John's DNA, we simply need to take a sample from his > living, direct line, male, descendants. If we find two living males, > surnamed Robinson, who can show a paper trail following a direct, > unbroken, male line (no females in the line) back to Rev. John Robinson, > we would expect their Y-DNA results to be exact matches. If they are > not exact matches and they are off by more than one or two mutations, > then more than likely, one of them has made a mistake in his research or > there may have been an adoption or a non-paternal event (politically > correct way of saying that someone had an affair). > > Currently, FamilyTreeDNA offers DNA products of 12, 25, 37 and 67 > markers. The higher the marker, the greater our confidence that an > exact match will correctly predict a recent common ancestor. For > instance if two individuals match on 12 out of 12 markers, then they > have a 55% chance of sharing a common ancestor within the past 8 > generations (by the fifth great grandfather). For a 25/25 match that > probability is 85%, a 37/37 match is 97% and a 67/67 match is 100%. > > I hope this helps. > > Don > > sam kelly wrote: >> Don, >> Good info but I am am absolute ignorant when it comes to these lists. >> Could you please tell me if ALL these Robinsons are related then?? sam >> >> Don Drake <dondrake@surfnetnc.com> wrote: >> I just uploaded ancestor charts for the donors of Kit Numbers 82612: >> EKA >> Thomas Robinson b.c. 1803 in England and N31651: EKA, John Robinson who >> arrived in Chester, PA on the Bristol Merchant in September of 1685 with >> his wife, Katherine. >> >> Please check them out. Again, if there are any donors on the list who >> haven't gotten me their EKAs, please do so. >> >> Thanks again, >> Don >> > > > -- > > Donald E. Drake > > Moyock, NC > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~drakerobinson/index.htm > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ROBINSON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi! John, please don't take it as a personal thing. If your Bryants are like mine, then you must know that we are a somewhat reticent lot who are reluctant to convey thoughts Etc, until they are convinced that their action is the right thing, so really if you are thinking that we may be 'connected', please check-out my Website....bryantsofwellingboroughengland.com.... it goes back to 1733, so if you are not connected there, then it would be a long-shot if it were 100's of years before, would it not?. As far as checking out all your apparantly good work, that is time trouble Etc, I can assure you I in particular have not opened any sites, as I am yet to be convinced, perhaps at 83 Y'rs I may be forgiven for Scepticisim. Keith. W. Bryant.