Sorry about the posts... I cannot seem to get "Unsubscribed". Says I am not on the list, but I receive the digest mode... I tried both BRUCE-L and BRUCE-D but no avail. Please help Unsubscribe me... Thank you. Pat PS... since this is going to the list... might as well post something relating to BRUCEs :-) Would love to know if anyone has traced the full line of ROSSes back to the BRUCEs... (please CC email reply to Gninnah@aol.com) Thank you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>paste<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< All notes on Sutherland, Ross, Chinn, Ball from: "Crossroads in Kansas- A Stearns-Ross Genealogy", copyright 1982 by Phyllis Ross Kostner, Printed in the USA by Mennonite Press, Inc. North Newton, Kansas 67117; Prairie Publications, Box 71, Pretty Prairie, KS 67570 (a Stearns-Ross Genealogy with Allied Families) pgs: 204-210. *****Here is a quote from the book Crossroads in Kansas- A Stearns-Ross >Genealogy, by Phyllis Ross Kostner, CW 1982 by Mennonite Press, Inc., N. >Newton, Kansas 67117, Clan Ross pages 195-290**** >>>>>>>>>>>>begin quote<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >"The Earls of Sutherland and Ross Trace their ancestry back through the King >Edwards of Scotland, who were descendants of the Bruces and Wallaces, who >descended from the Kings of Ireland. The latter trace their ancestry back to >CONAIRTY THE GREAT, who was king of the Gales and of Teva, six hundred years >before the Christian Era. It is said that there are no other crowned heads on >earth who can so surely trace their lineage back so far in history as the >Edwards, kings of Scotland and England, and their descendants. (P) The Clan >Ross take their surname from the county of Ross, of which their Chief's >forefather's were the earls from about 1226. The first Chief was FERCHAR, who >was called MACCINT'SACAIRT (son of the priest) who was heir of the O'Beolain >abbots of Applecross and as such held the vast district of Applecross in >Wester Ross. .........In 1215, FERCHAR brought his numerous warriors to assist >the new king, Alexander II, against rival claimants to the throne who were >powerful in the N. of Scotland. ........ A decade or so later, the same king >entrusted him with the whole Earldom of Ross... so called after the ancient >British word ros, meaning a moor.. or possibly from the Gaelic word ros, a >headland, after the huge promontory formed by Easter Ross. (P) The first five >chiefs were Earls of Ross. But on the death of William, Earl of Ross and Lord >of Skye, in 1372, the Earldom passed to his daughter; while the chiefship >devolved on his younger half-brother, HUGH ROSS, first of Balnagown and sixth >Chief of Clan Ross, whose inheritance in Easter Ross was so great that by 1632 >the Rosses could raise one thousand men. ......." >>>>>>>>>>>>end quote<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >(See also surnames of CHINN, SUTHERLAND, BALL, JUNKEN) other sources: >Rushville of To-day May 1899, pub by Rushville Historical Society...... The >Ross Family in Burlington and Southern Iowa by William Junken Ross.......