Back in December I made a posting regarding John Bruce of Winchester Va. I received about a dozen responses and appreciate your comments. I've started sorting out my data and find that I have two different spouses for John Bruce as follows: Case #1 = John Bruce married Sarah Cole in Scotland and their children were Mary, James (twin), John (twin), George, Margartet and Ann Case #2 = John Bruce married Sarah Parrell in Leochel-Cushine, Aberdeen, Scotland and that she was the daughter of Hugh Parrell and Ann Calvert. I have no references for either case and would appreciate comment in support of either marriage. Also, Case #1 is the only reference to a child named John. Does anyone know if there is a copy of the William Albin family genealogy book located at some library in Texas? There is a copy in Wisconsin but it is a little bit far from Kerrville Tx. Thanks for your response. Don D. Terry 2116 Vista Ridge Drive Kerrville Tx 78028-9137 e-mail ddterry@hilconet.com

Dear Listers, Having just subscribed, I thought I might explain my connection. I am a descendant of Betsy Bruce Drake Vallandingham. It took years to find this out. I must be kind of dumb. Betsy gave three of her sons and maybe a fourth the middle name "Bruce." I think she was trying to tell future generations something. Betsy was born in Culpeper Co., VA on April 9, 1770, according to family records. Her mother was most likely Anne Nancy Bruce, the daughter of William Bruce and Elizabeth Grant of Stafford Co., VA. Henry Bruce, cousin of Betsy, mentioned her in his diary in 1818. I have an article coming out in Heritage Quest magazine in the July-August issue about Betsy's naming of her children. Tom Fiske

I hope someone can help me with one of my many brick walls. My 2nd great grandmother was Charlotte Olivia BRUCE, b. July 1, 1831 supposedly in East Randolph, Vermont. She was married June 16, 1856 in Tunbridge, Vermont to Daniel DAVIS. She died February 9, 1914, but I don't know where. Her husband died in 1897 in Fayette, Iowa, so she may have died there, also. Her first child was born in Wisconsin, her second and third children were born in Vermont, her fourth child was born in Iowa, and I don't know where her other three children were born. Supposedly, Charlotte Olivia BRUCE's father was named John, but I have absolutely no information on him and have no clue as to who her mother was. Any help will be most appreciated. Doris A. Smith daws@ibm.net

Hello Carol and BRUCE-L, At 12:17 PM 1/21/99 -0800, Carol Martin wrote to the BRUCE-D (as Topic #3) on the Digest Volume 99 #8: > >Today's Topics: > #1 (Fwd) {not a subscriber} William B ["Timothy D. Cook" <hmscook@mcn.net] > #2 RE: William Bruce, born 1759 in Ri [CAPT Bruce Gustin III <Gustin3@SPB] > #3 BRUCE of Clackmannan, Scotland 140 [Keith Martin <CarolMartin3@compuse] > #4 Oops! ["Bruce, C.D. (Charles)" <cbruce@pe] > >______________________________X-Message: #3 >Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 06:10:25 -0500 >From: Keith Martin <CarolMartin3@compuserve.com> >To: BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <199901210610_MC2-6770-85BF@compuserve.com> >Subject: BRUCE of Clackmannan, Scotland 1400s >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Disposition: inline >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Hello, >This is my first posting this list, and I am looking for other researchers >of this line in order to compare and share data: > >1. Margaret BRUCE, born 1577, London, England, married Francis NICHOLS. >Margaret was daughter of: >2. George BRUCE of Carnock, Fife Scotland, son of >3. Sir Edward BRUCE, born 1505, Blairhall, England, married Allison REID. >Edward was son of >4. David BRUCE, born 1470, Clackmannan, Scotland, married Jane or Jean >BLACKADDER. David was son of: >5. David BRUCE, born 1445, Clackmannan, Scotland, married Marion HERIES. >David was son of: >6. John BRUCE, born 1420, Clackmannan, Scotland, married Elizabeth >STEWART. > >None of the above is documented yet, and I hope someone can help me do just >that. > >Thanks, >Carol Martin >carolmartin3@compuserve.com > My gg-grandmother was named Jane BRUCE. She was b. 1764 in Charleston, SC; d. 1802 in Charleston, SC; ma. Samuel Phillips JONES. Later generations of their JONES descendants (including my mother) lived in GA. I have two lines of BRUCE ancestry before Jane Bruce who were related to King Robert the Bruce. One BRUCE line is through Jane's g-grandfather, Robert BRUCE, who was supposedly a descendant of King Robert's first cousin. I have always felt this line is a little "fuzzy", since what I have on Jane's grandfather, David Bruce, is based solely on a published genealogy, which unfortunately gives no dates or places for him, or even a spouse's name. That source is "The Wannamaker, Salley, Mackay and Bellinger Families Genealogies and Memoirs" compiled by J., Skottowe Wannamaker. (of which I have copies of a few pages-- not the entire work.) According to that work, this David's father was supposedly Robert Bruce, the 2nd Earl of Elgin. That line traces back to a Robert Bruce who was the first cousin of King Robert the Bruce. This line, at least in part, agrees with what Carol has shown above. My other BRUCE line is through the above Jane's grandmother Lady Euphemia MONTGOMERY, who was the dau. of Alexander MONTGOMERY, 9th Earl of Eglington. That line traces back through at least two lines directly to King Robert the Bruce, through his dau. Marjorie who ma. Walter Stewart. I have that Euphemia married George Lockhart of Carnwath who d. in 1731, but I have no places or dobs for either. That info. is mostly from "Peerage of Scotland" by Douglas. I would be delighted to share with Carol and/or anyone else on the BRUCE-L, who hopefully might help me firm up some of the "fuzzy" spots in my BRUCE lineage. Dexter Dexter Edge Jr. Olympia, WA

Sorry! That last message was supposed to go to the Rush Tablature list I'm on! Chuck Bruce

Hello, This is my first posting this list, and I am looking for other researchers of this line in order to compare and share data: 1. Margaret BRUCE, born 1577, London, England, married Francis NICHOLS. Margaret was daughter of: 2. George BRUCE of Carnock, Fife Scotland, son of 3. Sir Edward BRUCE, born 1505, Blairhall, England, married Allison REID. Edward was son of 4. David BRUCE, born 1470, Clackmannan, Scotland, married Jane or Jean BLACKADDER. David was son of: 5. David BRUCE, born 1445, Clackmannan, Scotland, married Marion HERIES. David was son of: 6. John BRUCE, born 1420, Clackmannan, Scotland, married Elizabeth STEWART. None of the above is documented yet, and I hope someone can help me do just that. Thanks, Carol Martin carolmartin3@compuserve.com

Carlene & Wilfred, I have the information you are looking for. Please send me a mailing address and I'll send you a Family Group Sheet for William BRUCE and Catherine GAINES. W/r, -= Bruce Gustin =- -----Original Message----- From: Timothy D. Cook [mailto:hmscook@mcn.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 16:47 To: BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: (Fwd) {not a subscriber} William Bruce, born 1759 in Richmond, ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:27:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Carlene and Wilfred Ho" <wilcarho@email.msn.com> To: <bruce-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: {not a subscriber} William Bruce, born 1759 in Richmond, VA I am looking for information on the children of William and Catherine Gaines Bruce. William was born 1759 in Richmond, Va and died 1842 in Lincoln Co, KY. He and Catherine "Kitty" were married in Mercer Co, KY 1797. I only have the names of two of their children, Henry and Nancy. Any help you can give me with this would be appreciated. Carlene Ho wilcarho@msn.com ============================================================ Timothy hmscook@mcn.net http://www.mcn.net/~hmscook ==== BRUCE Mailing List ==== The Internet Mailing List for BRUCE researchers To unsubscribe send an e-mail to bruce-l-request@rootsweb.com with 'UNSUBSCRIBE' as the only text in the message If you get the digest version send an e-mail to bruce-d-request@rootsweb.com with 'UNSUBSCRIBE' as the only text in the message.

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 12:27:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Carlene and Wilfred Ho" <wilcarho@email.msn.com> To: <bruce-l@rootsweb.com> Subject: {not a subscriber} William Bruce, born 1759 in Richmond, VA I am looking for information on the children of William and Catherine Gaines Bruce. William was born 1759 in Richmond, Va and died 1842 in Lincoln Co, KY. He and Catherine "Kitty" were married in Mercer Co, KY 1797. I only have the names of two of their children, Henry and Nancy. Any help you can give me with this would be appreciated. Carlene Ho wilcarho@msn.com ============================================================ Timothy hmscook@mcn.net http://www.mcn.net/~hmscook

New to the list, and hoping to locate the modern-day descendents of Victor Bruce, 4th son of the second Lord Aberdare. He was England's first winner in the Monte Carlo Road Rally (1926). Date of birth unknown (around 1895?), died 1978. Anyone else connected with this family? Thanks! Nancy Wilson

William BRUCE born August 1821 in Galashiels, Selkirk. His parents may be John BRUCE and Agnes PHILIP?? If these are the right parents - siblings were John b. 1803; Katharine b. 1809; Thomas b. 1810; Margaret b. 1812; James b. 1815. Helen SCOTT born September 1823 in Ancrum,Roxburgh. Her parents may be Robert SCOTT and Elizabeth BURNS?? If these are the right parents - siblings were James b. 1820; Margaret b. 1822; Janet b. 1830. Janet married a George BALLANTYNE William married Helen SCOTT on 10 June 1845 in Melrose, Roxburgh. They had one daugher, Eliza, born in Scotland on 24 August 1848. They came to US in 1849/1850. Settled in Troy Mills, IA. Any suggestions/help you can give me on my great-grandparents is very appreciated. Thank You BarB barbbuck@pacbell.net Please see my page for more information on my surnames. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/u/t/Barbara-A-Butler/

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 19:31:40 -0800 (PST) From: CombsShopr@aol.com To: bruce-l@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Bruce Death Certificate - Tennessee I have the following copies of death certificates for the Bruce Surname. Robert Bruce b Mississippi d 28 aug 1928 Memphis, Tennessee If you are interested in this certificate, please contact me at the following EMail Address. ANeasham@juno.com I am not a member of this list so please do not respond here. I will send it to you upon receipt of a 33 cent stamp. Thanks and I hope this helps someone. I will respond to the first person who contacts me. ============================================================ Timothy hmscook@mcn.net http://www.mcn.net/~hmscook

Joyce, to continue with my data on the Bruces of Culpeper Co Va: Culpeper Co DB A p 279-80, Seth Thurston of Culpeper to Charles Walker of same county 50 acres. Witnessed by Richard Quinn and George Bruce 18 April 1751. Culpeper co DB A p 275-77 another deed between Thurston & Walker and witnesed by Richard Quinn and George Bruce 18 April 1751. Culpeper Co DB E p 357-59 dated 19 Mar 1767, Benjamin Cave mortgages to Andrew Shepherd and Company, merchants, 109 acres he purchased of George Bruce. Culpeper DB F p 202-04, 7 Jan 1771, Charles Bruce witnesses deed between Sarah Strother of Orange Co and John Wharton of Culpeper. Charles Bruce proved deed 21 Jan 1771. Culpeper DB E p 599-601 8 Aug 1768, deed between Allen Wiley and wife Eve of Culpeper Co and Charles Bruce of Orange Co. I probably have additional data that I will come across as I reorganize my files. I hope I have provided something that may be of use to you. Happy Hunting Bea Hudson Hampton, VA

Always searching for my Bruce ancestors. My Bruces were from Yorkshire, specifically West Riding. Here is my line of Bruces... Richard Bruce born 1718 Farnham John Bruce born 1748 in Farnham /married Elizabeth Thomas Bruce born 1778 in Rothwell/married Mary (Horner) Charles Bruce born 1810 in Burton Leonard/married Elizabeth Mary Bruce born 1843 in Boroughbridge/married Thomas Wright Thanks. Christina

In a message dated 99-01-07 13:26:46 EST, you write: << X-Message: #1 Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 18:02:25 -0800 From: "icorn" <icorn@i1.net> To: BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <199901070024.SAA25721@mail1.i1.net> Subject: Bruce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Eli Bruce was somehow connected to the Reynolds Allen family, I think he was married to Reynolds Allen daughter. He was also connected to the Keeton family thru the Allens. Would anyone know how he was connected to the Keetons..I believe this was in Wake Co, NC about 1753-60. I need help connecting. Thanks Sally Keeton Eichhorn >> Sally, You'll probably hear from several of us on this BRUCE list who may be connected to PETER ELI BRUCE....our ancestor was ALLEN BRUCE b ca 1770-1780 (place unknown at present), d before 1850 Iredell/Alexander Co, NC. ALLEN BRUCE mar in March 1805, Iredell Co, NC to ELIZABETH GARLICK b ca 1785 (census states VA), d June 1873 Lancaster/Kershaw Co, SC - buried in Hanging Rock Methodist Ch Cem where her grave & tombstone still exists today. ALLEN BRUCE's grave site is unknown at this time, but most likely in Iredell/Alexander Co, NC. ELIZABETH (GARLICK) BRUCE was the dau of LEWIS & WINNEE (____) GARLICK, according to info given on her tombstone. Some BRUCE & ALLEN researchers have put forward the theory that our ALLEN BRUCE is the son of PETER ELI BRUCE & w, _______ (ALLEN) BRUCE. Thus far, we haven't found anything to confirm this theory. I am sending you by private Email a snail address of someone who might be able to help you, but who is not "on-line." You may already know this person, if not, be sure & say that I sent you when you write..... Would like to see more of your lines & it's good to see some familiar BRUCE info on here.... ttyl, Sarah Howell Studstill

Peter Eli Bruce was somehow connected to the Reynolds Allen family, I think he was married to Reynolds Allen daughter. He was also connected to the Keeton family thru the Allens. Would anyone know how he was connected to the Keetons..I believe this was in Wake Co, NC about 1753-60. I need help connecting. Thanks Sally Keeton Eichhorn

I have the CW pension records of Joseph alias Joseph Pierce BRUCE, b ca 1850, d 26 Dec 1900, West Nashville TN. He served w/ Co. B, 3rd TN Cav. (Union). He married Margaret DAVIS 6 Mar 1877 in Poplar Bluff MO. If this is your ancestor, I will be happy to send you a copy of these pension records. They hold some interesting anecdotal information. Unfortunately for me, this is not my ancestor, though he may be related. My gg grandfather was Joseph BRUCE, b 1824. He married Elendar Jane CHAMBERS (family records show Mary Jane CHAMBERS) in 1860. I found a Joseph P. BRUCE on the 1850 Davidson CO TN census living with a CHAMBERS family, however Jane was not there. I have 4 different birth places from various sources for my Joseph BRUCE: Scotland, Virginia, Alabama and Mississippi. I've had no luck at finding him. He was said to have been a scout working St. Louis to New Orleans, which sounds like a possible Civil War connection. The only other CW Joseph Bruce I can find was with Co. A, 3rd Inf. Bn at Memphis (CSA) and there were no service records. If anyone can help me out with my Joseph BRUCE, I would really be grateful, and would be happy to share information. Sandi Bruce Galveston TX sandi@nol.net

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date sent: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:25:03 -0800 (PST) From: Betty Beene <pur_bsb@shsu.edu> Send reply to: pur_bsb@shsu.edu Organization: shsu To: bruce-l@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Bruce I am trying to find the parents of William Francis BRUCE b. 1831 d. 1876 married 1849 to Cassie Lucettie Isbell b 5/5/1836 d. 1/19/1927, born in Georgia lived in Alabama then Mississippi died MS. Thanks, Betty Bruce Beene ============================================================ Timothy hmscook@mcn.net http://www.mcn.net/~hmscook

Looking for data on Beatrice Bruce or Brust who was in a orphanage near Greenville WV and for a time lived with Mary Emma BALLARD (1863-1940)and her husband Gaston Fletcher ELLIS (1859-1932). Mary & Gaston Ellis lived on Indian Draft, about 2 miles from Greenville, WV. Does anyone know the name of an orphanage near Greenville? Bea Hudson Hampton, VA

Sorry about the posts... I cannot seem to get "Unsubscribed". Says I am not on the list, but I receive the digest mode... I tried both BRUCE-L and BRUCE-D but no avail. Please help Unsubscribe me... Thank you. Pat PS... since this is going to the list... might as well post something relating to BRUCEs :-) Would love to know if anyone has traced the full line of ROSSes back to the BRUCEs... (please CC email reply to Gninnah@aol.com) Thank you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>paste<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< All notes on Sutherland, Ross, Chinn, Ball from: "Crossroads in Kansas- A Stearns-Ross Genealogy", copyright 1982 by Phyllis Ross Kostner, Printed in the USA by Mennonite Press, Inc. North Newton, Kansas 67117; Prairie Publications, Box 71, Pretty Prairie, KS 67570 (a Stearns-Ross Genealogy with Allied Families) pgs: 204-210. *****Here is a quote from the book Crossroads in Kansas- A Stearns-Ross >Genealogy, by Phyllis Ross Kostner, CW 1982 by Mennonite Press, Inc., N. >Newton, Kansas 67117, Clan Ross pages 195-290**** >>>>>>>>>>>>begin quote<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >"The Earls of Sutherland and Ross Trace their ancestry back through the King >Edwards of Scotland, who were descendants of the Bruces and Wallaces, who >descended from the Kings of Ireland. The latter trace their ancestry back to >CONAIRTY THE GREAT, who was king of the Gales and of Teva, six hundred years >before the Christian Era. It is said that there are no other crowned heads on >earth who can so surely trace their lineage back so far in history as the >Edwards, kings of Scotland and England, and their descendants. (P) The Clan >Ross take their surname from the county of Ross, of which their Chief's >forefather's were the earls from about 1226. The first Chief was FERCHAR, who >was called MACCINT'SACAIRT (son of the priest) who was heir of the O'Beolain >abbots of Applecross and as such held the vast district of Applecross in >Wester Ross. .........In 1215, FERCHAR brought his numerous warriors to assist >the new king, Alexander II, against rival claimants to the throne who were >powerful in the N. of Scotland. ........ A decade or so later, the same king >entrusted him with the whole Earldom of Ross... so called after the ancient >British word ros, meaning a moor.. or possibly from the Gaelic word ros, a >headland, after the huge promontory formed by Easter Ross. (P) The first five >chiefs were Earls of Ross. But on the death of William, Earl of Ross and Lord >of Skye, in 1372, the Earldom passed to his daughter; while the chiefship >devolved on his younger half-brother, HUGH ROSS, first of Balnagown and sixth >Chief of Clan Ross, whose inheritance in Easter Ross was so great that by 1632 >the Rosses could raise one thousand men. ......." >>>>>>>>>>>>end quote<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >(See also surnames of CHINN, SUTHERLAND, BALL, JUNKEN) other sources: >Rushville of To-day May 1899, pub by Rushville Historical Society...... The >Ross Family in Burlington and Southern Iowa by William Junken Ross.......

I have an excerpt from a family history book "Descendants of William Ballard' which lists a Mary Emma Balard 1863-1940 who married Gaston Fletcher Ellis in 1884. The article states that they had no issue but did take a teenage girl from an orphanage and gave her a home. It is this girl that I seek. Her name is Beatrice Bruce or Brust. The article stated that her whereabouts was unknown at that time and which orphanage she came from was not identified. Is there any orpanage near Greenville, WV? Is so, could someone give the name and address of it. Any other information is appreciated. Bea Hudson Hampton, VA