Dear list I have one Bruce line with one name. Her name was Isabel Bruce, b. 1775 in Dunning, Scotland. She married John McRobbie in 1802 in Glasgow, Scotland. They came to the United States, and the only "proof" I have of the Robert the Bruce line s from a series of newspaper articles from St. Lawrence County, New York that interview many of the Scottish immigrants years after they came. It talked about their success in the states. During these interviews, it was mentioned that she was from the famous Robert the Bruce line--but doesn't even tell who her father was. Anyone else from this line here on the list? I have a copy of the entire set of newspaper articles--about 30 of them I think. Deanna Hill-Staley

http://ancestry.com/ancestry/recent.asp Dickson County, Tennessee Marriages, 1850-1870 Posted on 8/20/99

I am trying to reseach and find information on my Bruce Family line. So far this is what I have. If anyone out there has the same line let me know. This is just the names of gr grandparents back. I also have childrens names. I am also wondering if maybe this line goes back to Robert de Bruce! Thanks, Becky Andrews John Bruce b. 1740 Midlothian, Edinburgh,Scotland m. Mary Smith,Edinburgh,Scotland. William Bruce b. 1762 in Culpepper Co.,Virginia d.1842 in Sumner Co.,Tennessee m. Mary. Benjamin Walker Bruce b.1800 m. Rachel Puckett William Madison Bruce b.Jan.02,1822 d.Aug.18,1904, m.Mariah E. Cain b.Aug 02,1823 d.May 04,1903 Malinda Jane Bruce b.Mar.05,1845 d.Jun.27,1927 m.Joseph A.Goddard b.Sept.29,1847 d.Aug.27,1903 Idella Goddard b. abt.1863 m. James Lafayette Johnson b.abt1859

Hello, There are also family stories in my Bruce and Mundy lines which indicate a lineage back to Robert de Bruce. In "The Annals of Platte Co. Mo" regarding my Isaac Mundy, it states that his father was Jesse Mundy whose mother was Helen Bruce, grand-niece of Bruce of Bannockburn. I kind of disregarded this information until recently, because the information I have found is that Jesse Mundy married Rebekah Bruce (I have the marriage document and her father was John B. Bruce)and so I assumed that the history was incorrect saying that Jesse's mother was also a Bruce, but now I am not so sure. Rebekah Bruce( daughter of John was born in 1781 Halifax, Va as was her father John B. Bruce (have a copy of his will). Unfortunately I have never been able to find who John B. Bruce married, nor his parentage so have not been able to trace this line further back to see if they hook up with Robert the Bruce. I have started looking for Jesse Mundy's supposed mother, Helen Bruce, but have discovered nothing. Other information indicates that Jesse Mundy's father was Henry S. Mundy who married Mary Ann Pfeiffer, but I have no information regarding her either, so as they say, am at a standstill in pushing either line further back. Sharon Van Vleet Rescue, Ca.

Hello Sarah Jane, On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:15 you wrote to the BRUCE-L: >X-Message: #4 >Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:15:17 -0700 >From: "Sarah Jane McKenzie" <saramck@apex.net> >To: BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <006b01beedd6$82eb5e40$572dfad1@pavilion> >Subject: Robert the Bruce >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >anyone kin to Robert the Bruce ---Scotland? >saramck@apex.net > Yes. My gg-grandmother was named Jane BRUCE. She was b. 1764 in Charleston, SC; d. 1802 in Charleston, SC; ma. Samuel Phillips JONES. Later generations of their Jones descendants (including my mother) lived in GA. I have two lines of BRUCE ancestry before Jane Bruce who supposedly were related to King Robert the Bruce. One line is through Jane's g-grandfather Robert BRUCE, who was supposedly a descendant of King Robert's first cousin. I have always felt this line is a little "fuzzy", since what I have on Jane's grandfather, David Bruce is based solely on a published genealogy, which unfortunately gives no dates or places for him, or even a spouse's name. According to that work, this David's father was supposedly Robert Bruce, the 2nd Earl of Elgin. That line traces back to a Robert Bruce who was the first cousin of King Robert the Bruce. My other line is through the above Jane's grandmother Euphemia MONTGOMERY, who was the dau. of Alexander MONTGOMERY, 9th Earl of Eglington. That line traces back through at least two lines directly to King Robert the Bruce, through his dau. Marjorie who ma. Walter Stewart. I have that Euphemia d. 1738 in Tarnaway,SCT. She married George Lockhart of Carnwath who d. in 1731, but I have no places or dobs for either (presumably somewhere in SCT.) I would be very much interested in hearing how you trace your ancestry from King Robert, and particularly if you can cite any sources that might give additional or more reliable information re. the "fuzzy" spots in my lineages. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. --Dexter Dexter Edge Jr. Olympia, WA

The Fleming Bates line in Virginia also supposedly goes back to RtB.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------87CF691ACAA2C871CF5B449E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------87CF691ACAA2C871CF5B449E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail7.bellsouth.net (mail7.bellsouth.net [205.152.16.4]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18632 for <lenardo@mem.bellsouth.net>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by mail7.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA28013; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09179; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:44:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> Old-To: <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WHITE] [Fwd: More on the WW1 Draft Cards] Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:36:49 -0400 Message-ID: <01beee1c$92414a80$c96656d1@lhaasdavmindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Resent-Message-ID: <LSPr2D.A.RPC.Uenw3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2967 X-Loop: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: WHITE-L-request@rootsweb.com To everyone: I also received a post today about the cost being $10.00 I'll call the archives today and see what is going on. When I was there last Tuesday and asked about costs I was told the only cost was the cost of the copies. I'll let everyone know what the archives staff has to say in the morning. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager -----Original Message----- From: J. E. 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Hello, Has anyone a Bruce married to a Flockhart?(Scotland/NIR). Their son was Andrew Bruce Flockhart, and his daughter Agnes Bruce Flockhart was my grandmother. any help would be much appreciated. With thanks, Rosalind Duncan Howell New Zealand

anyone kin to Robert the Bruce ---Scotland? saramck@apex.net

My ggGrandfather was James A. Bruce, b 1834 in Bedford Co, Tenn, married Susan Amanda Green, probably on Jan 6, 1853 in Greene Co, MO. They were in St. Francios Co MO in 1860, and in Texas Co MO by 1870. What information I have on him comes from David T. Green. Does anyone have any further information on James A. Bruce? Gary+ ------------- Gary D. Gooch gary.gooch@centuryinter.net San Marcos, TX mailto:gary.gooch@centuryinter.net ------------- Spirit knows what flesh knows, But Spirit knows it knows. --Charles Williams

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Researching BRUCE surname. Can you please help? Coleman BRUCE, bn. 09-14-1816, died 02-23-1904, married Mary Angeline HUFF 08-14-1845 in Newton County, Georgia. Daughter, Fannie G. Bruce, bn. 07-12-1845, died 08-10-1883, married James Marion WARREN. Thank you, Bill Rickett >Wmrickett@aol.com<

Ancestry.com has free database for the following book. There are 7 Bruces shown. Glenda To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/ancestry/search/3937.htm Dickson County, Tennessee Marriage Records, 1850-1870 Situated a short twenty-five miles west of Nashville, Dickson County, Tennessee was created in 1803 and boasted a population of nearly 10,000 in 1860. This database is a collection of marriage records from the county between 1850 and 1870. Each entry includes the names of both bride and groom along with their marriage date. In addition, researchers will find the date the marriage license was issued for the couple. It contains the names of over 3000 men and women. Also included is a list of over 200 officiators who performed marriages in the county and the date range they performed these ceremonies. Taken from a larger work by Byron Sistler, this can be a tremendous aid to those seeking ancestors from west-central Tennessee in the middle of the nineteenth century. Bibliography: Sistler, Byron. "Dickson County Marriages." Preston, Paula, ed. [Database online] Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 1999.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail3.bellsouth.net (mail3.bellsouth.net [205.152.32.6]) by mail0.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA17813 for <lenardo@mem.bellsouth.net>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by mail3.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14048; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA05476; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:44:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> Old-To: "White List" <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com>, "USGenWeb SW List" <USGENWEB-SW-L@rootsweb.com>, "USGenWeb Discuss List" <USGENWEB-DISCUSS-L@rootsweb.com>, "USGenWeb CC L List" <USGW-CC-L@usgennet.org>, "USGenWeb All List" <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com>, "Tulsa List" <OKTULSA-L@rootsweb.com>, "OkRoots List" <OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>, "OKGen List" <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, "NC Wash List" <NCWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com>, "NC List" <NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>, "Marion Co AR List" <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com>, "List Owners" <listowners-L@rootsweb.com>, "Hass List" <HASS-L@rootsweb.com>, "Haas List" <HAAS-L@rootsweb.com>, "GenMed List" <GENMTD-L@rootsweb.com>, "Davenport List" <DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com>, "CCHelper" <CCHelper-L@rootsweb.com>, "ARK List" <ARKANSAS-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 06:10:47 -0400 Message-ID: <01beea2b$1b938aa0$cb6656d1@lhaasdavmindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: [WHITE] WWI Draft Cards - clarification Resent-Message-ID: <iaDnGB.A.OUB.04-u3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2941 X-Loop: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: WHITE-L-request@rootsweb.com I received about a dozen e-mails this morning all asking the same question so I know that I was not clear in my post yesterday. If you forwarded my message about the WWI draft cards being at the GA NARA branch will you please also forward this message? The original draft card applications (registrations) for every state (the entire US) are at East Pointe. According to the Archive Staff there are no plans to split these cards and move any of them to any other NARA location since East Pointe has been charged with the "custody" of these records. It is only the original cards that are in state / county / alpha order. Someone posted a message to one of the lists that NARA was planning on re-filming the cards since they are now in state / county / alpha order. If such a thing is underway it is unknown to the East Pointe archive staff and they should know if such a thing was in the works. If you request a copy of your ancestor's draft card from any NARA branch other than this one they will be searching the LDS microfilm and you will have to know the state and draft board for them to make a copy. It is only at the East Pointe location that you can request a copy by state and then county and the copy will be made from the ORIGINAL card. If I'm still unclear please let me know. Linda Home Page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas/ Marion Co AR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ Washington Co NC, Haas & Hass e-mail list manager ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ..........................WHITE MAILING LIST........................... TO UNSUBSCRIBE: WHITE-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM AND THEN PUT ONLY THE WORD UNSUBSCRIBE IN THE BODY. YOUR REQUEST IS THEN PROCESSED AUTOMATICALLY SO PLEASE BE SURE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY THING THAT APPEARS IN THE BODY. EVEN A SIGNATURE FILE IS GOING TO CAUSE THE MESSAGE TO FAIL. THANK YOU! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% --------------9B27166C7FDA3DEE84D1B6A7--

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0A95D002B1173DE83B6B65DF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received this from the White-L list and thought you all might like the info. Jackie --------------0A95D002B1173DE83B6B65DF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail5.bellsouth.net (mail5.bellsouth.net [205.152.80.6]) by mail2.bna.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA18121 for <lenardo@mem.bellsouth.net>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by mail5.bellsouth.net (3.3.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA12564; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25940; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:34:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Linda Haas Davenport" <lhaasdav@mindspring.com> Old-To: "White List" <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com>, "USGenWeb SW List" <USGENWEB-SW-L@rootsweb.com>, "USGenWeb Discuss List" <USGENWEB-DISCUSS-L@rootsweb.com>, "USGenWeb CC L List" <USGW-CC-L@usgennet.org>, "USGenWeb All List" <USGENWEB-ALL-L@rootsweb.com>, "Tulsa List" <OKTULSA-L@rootsweb.com>, "OkRoots List" <OKROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>, "OKGen List" <OKGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, "NC Wash List" <NCWASHIN-L@rootsweb.com>, "NC List" <NCROOTS-L@rootsweb.com>, "Marion Co AR List" <ARMARION-L@rootsweb.com>, "Hass List" <HASS-L@rootsweb.com>, "Haas List" <HAAS-L@rootsweb.com>, "GenMed List" <GENMTD-L@rootsweb.com>, "Davenport List" <DAVENPORT-L@rootsweb.com>, "CCHelper" <CCHelper-L@rootsweb.com>, "ARK List" <ARKANSAS-ROOTS-L@LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:04:52 -0400 Message-ID: <01bee961$1d371040$db1e45cf@lhaasdavmindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Subject: [WHITE] WWI Draft Applications Update Resent-Message-ID: <XPoVgB.A.mUG.5wou3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2940 X-Loop: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: WHITE-L-request@rootsweb.com Good Morning everyone: I played hooky from work yesterday and spent the day at the NARA Branch in Atlanta and it jogged my memory to pass on some information to everyone. Prior to the US's entry into WW1 (approx. 1917-1918) every male between the age of 18 and 40 was required to register for the draft. The information found on the card was provided by the individual himself. The registration cards vary in information depending on the individual draft board. But by and large the cards include: The full name of the person (this means first, full middle name, any additional middle names and last name); the current address of the man; his age; his birthdate (some include his place of birth); whether he is a US citizen or a naturalized citizen (some ask if his father was a naturalized citizen and his father's race); his race; his occupation; where he is employed (name of employer); address or location of employment; name and address of his next of kin; some cards ask if the man is married or single and how many people he supports. The card is signed by the draftee. On the back of the card his physical description is noted: Height is broken down by short, medium, tall although some cards give the actual height in feet and inches; Build by slim, medium, stout although some cards list actual weight along with the build; color of eyes and hair; any deformities or injuries are listed (such as one arm missing, blind in one eye, etc); the name and address of the draft board and the date. When these original cards were transferred to the East Pointe NARA branch the LDS spent about 3 years microfilming these cards. There are hundreds and hundreds of boxes and the LDS opened one box at a time and filmed them - in state order. However, within each state the cards were filed by draft board, not by county or by draftee. This makes the searching of the microfilm difficult to say the least. The good news is that the Friends of the National Archives took each box after it was filmed (and checked) and sorted all of these thousands and thousands of cards into - state and then COUNTY order and then in alphabetical order by surname and put then in new boxes. The Friends deserve all the kudos we can give them for this monstrous task. So ... rather than spending hours and hours searching the LDS microfilm you can order copies of the original cards from NARA. if you know the county your ancestor lived in between 1917-1918. And BTW - Ancestry.com lists WW1 Draft cards in their searchable data bases, however I know for a fact that there are 22 cards for the surname WHITE found in McIntosh Co, OK and Ancestry only gave me 4 of them so don't depend on that site. I was told yesterday that some reps from Ancestry had visited the archives a couple of weeks ago to talk about filming the cards, took one look at the hundreds and hundreds of boxes and simply left. For copies: Send a letter requesting copy(s) to: NARA Southeast Region 1557 St. Joseph Ave East Point, GA 30344 In your letter be sure to say you want copy(s) of the WWI Draft application Cards. Include the name of your ancestor and his race, the state and the county. If you want copies of ALL of the cards with a given surname, ask them the cost of the copies and send a SASE for them to let you know the copying cost. In your letter be sure and say you want a copy of the FRONT and BACK of the card. Be sure to send a SASE for the return of you copies. The cost for the copy is 50 cents - 25 cents for the back and 25 cents for the front. If you only want one copy send a buck and say the difference is to be given to the Friends of the Archives, because after all they did all this wonderful hard work for you <VBG> If you have any other questions about the cards please write to me and I'll try to help. I've been "delving" into these cards for the past few years. 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Does anyone have any information or know any relatives of RAYMOND BRUCE born in New York City on June 20, 1899 and died July 5, 1935 in an auto accident on Rt. 4 between the George Washington Bridge and Teaneck. He was living in Teaneck, NJ at the time of his death. According to Probate Records, his wife's name was Lillian (maiden name unknown) and his 7 year old daughter was named Dorothy Mae. RAYMOND BRUCE is my husband's great uncle. Janis Mundy Reno, NV

William BRUCE married Mary ORRIS, 30 Dec 1819, Silver Springs Presb. Church, Silver Springs Twp., Cumberland Co., PA. Witnesses: Thomas BRUCE and John SMITH. Does anyone have information on this William or Thomas BRUCE?

The following post is from the Town Crier and the author's name is at the very end. The whole thing makes sense to me: Here is what I have been able to find based on a few hours in my university's limited library and the book, "The Signers of the Declaration of Independence", by Robert G. Ferris and Richard E. Morris of the U.S. National Park Service (Arlington, VA: Interpretive Publications, Inc., 1982). NO SIGNER WAS KILLED OUTRIGHT BY THE BRITISH. Lets examine some of the statements more closely. >"Five signers were captured by the British as traitors and tortured before they died." This passage, to me at least, implies that the signer were captured under charges of treason and died under torture. Five signers were indeed captured by the British, but not necessarily as traitors. Richard Stockton (NJ) was the only one who was probably captured and imprisoned just for having signed the Declaration of Independence. Ferris and Morris also note that he was not well treated in captivity and was in ill health when released. He never completely recovered. He did not die in prison, however. George Walton (GA) commanded militia at the Battle of Savannah in December, 1778. He was wounded and captured at that time. Thus he would have been considered a prisoner of war, not a traitor. He was released within a year, which implies that his signature on the Declaration was not as important a factor in his captivity as his active military role in defending Savannah (prisoners of war were exchanged on a regular basis, a traitor would have been hanged). Walton lived to serve as Governor of Georgia and U.S. Senator, dying in 1804. Thomas Heyward, Jr., Arthur Middleton, and Edward Rutledge (SC) were all captured at the Siege of Charleston in 1780. They were held at St. Augustine (then under British control) until September 1781 with other Continentals. Two months after his release, Arthur Middleton returned to Philadelphia to resume his seat in the Continental Congress. Despite the destruction of his estate, he was able to rebuild it and live there until his death in 1787. Edward Rutledge sat in the State Legislature from 1782 to 1798. He was elected Governor of South Carolina but died before completing his term...in 1800. Ferris and Morris report that he died a very wealthy man. Thomas Heyward, Jr. served as a circuit court judge from 1782 to 1787. He served as a state legislator at the same time. Heyward lived well into the 19th century, dying in 1809. I checked about 8 general histories of the American War for Independence and one or two specialized works on the southern campaigns. None of them even mentioned that signers had been captured at Charleston or Savannah, let alone mention that any were singled out or harsh treatment. This seems to indicate that their capture was part of the "normal" course of war, not a special effort. After the British took Charleston, Gen. Sir Henry Clinton had men of military age left in the city rounded up. Most were released soon after, including most of the militia troops. He had originally allowed the officers to keep their swords, but changed his mind when they began to shout rebel slogans. Only the Contintental troops were held for any length of time (Middlekauff, The Glorious Revolution) I found only one reference to the treatment of prisoners from the southern campaigns, in Lynn Montross, "Rag, Tag, and Bobtail". This work states that the continental troops from the siege of Charleston were held on prison ships. Conditions were poor and about a third of the prisoners died. If one takes the word "torture" to mean pain and suffering, then I suppose these men were tortured. To my mind, however, torture implies an intentional infliction on pain, usually either to extract information or to punish. I have found no evidence of the latter. Here is an interesting passage from Larry G. Bowman, North Texas St. Univ., on Prisoners of war: "Prisoners of war did suffer during the American Revolution. No other conclusion can be reached regarding the welfare of captives on both sides. Men were beaten, deprived of food by corrupt officials, denied bedding and clothing, and harassed in other ways but, fortunately, such incidents of outright cruelty were not routine events. Actually, most of the suffering of the men came from the more subtle torment usually brought on by neglect on the part of their captors. Neither the American nor the British authorities sought to induce suffering among the men in their prisons, yet men did want for basic services. The shortcomings on both sides of the conflict in providing for the captives was evident, but the motivations behind the failures were not evil or vindictive in their origination. Neither party entered a program of deliberately tormenting prisoners." Encyclopedia of the American Revolution, v. II, p. 1334 (New York: Garland Publishing, 1993). >So, when Hildreth writes, "But they signed the Declaration of Independence, knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured." The British undoubtedly put a price on the heads of rebel political officials (not just signers) and the signers no doubt feared that the British would make good on the threat. The reality is, however, that none were executed for their treason. Let's look at another assertion.... >Nine of the fifty-six fought and died from wounds or the hardship of the Revolutionary War. On my list two were wounded in action, but NONE DIED OF WOUNDS. My count shows 17--not 9--men who held commissions (or did medical duty) during the war. With the possible exception of Thomas Lynch, Jr. and Gwinnett, I would not say that any death here was attributable to the war with the British. Gwinnett's death, though, is hardly glorious: 1. Josiah Bartlett (NH) as surgeon with Gen. John Stark's troops at Bennington. Bartlett declined national offices (citing fatigue or ill health) but remained active in state affairs and died in 1794. 2. Button Gwinnett (GA) in a failed campaign to take St. Augustine. Killed in a duel precipitated partly by an argument over military strategy in 1777. 2a. George Clymer served with the Pennsylvania militia. Died in 1813. 3. Thomas Heyward, Jr. (SC). Wounded in 1779 near Port Royal Island, SC. Recovered and served in the siege of Charleston. Died 1809. 4. Thomas Lynch, Jr. (SC) Military career cut short by illness in 1775. He then was elected to the Continental Congress. In an attempt to restore his health, he left for the West Indies, but was shipwrecked and killed in 1779. 5. Arthur Middleton (SC) Captured at the siege of Charleston. See above. 6. Lewis Morris (NY) Brigadier General of Westchester Co. troops during the NY invasion. After the war, he served in state government and was active in public affairs. Died 1798. 7. Thomas Nelson, Jr. (VA) commanded the Virginia militia. Served in several campaigns in Virginia, including Yorktown. Nelson's retirement from public life was financially motivated. He died in 1789. 8. William Paca (MD) Served in the Maryland militia. After the war, he was active in MD. affairs and served as a Federal district judge after the Constitution was ratified. Died in 1799. 9. Caesar Rodney (DE). Brigadier General of militia. Active in campaigns against Loyalists in Delaware. Despite having advanced skin cancer, Rodney served as president of Delaware, and speaker of the state senate until his death in 1783. 10. Benjamin Rush (PA). Appointed surgeon general of the Middle Department of the Continental Army. Resigned after 8 months in a dispute over charges he made that the medical corps was not run properly. Extremely active in public affairs, both medical and governmental, Rush died in 1813. 11. Edward Rutledge (SC) Served at the battle of Port Royal Island (1779). Captured at the siege of Charleston. See above. 12. James Smith (PA) Brigadier General of militia. Practiced law until he retired at age 82 in 1801. He died in 1806. 13. George Walton (GA) Colonel of militia. Wounded at the Battle of Savannah, 1778. Died in 1804. 14. William Whipple (NH). Brigadier General of militia. Saw quite a bit of active service, including the Saratoga and Newport campaigns. Died, aged 55, in 1785. 15. William Williams (CT). Colonel of militia to 1776. Mostly active in state affairs, he died in 1811. 16. Oliver Wolcott (CT). Rose to Major General of militia. Wolcott served in the Saratoga campaign and the defense of Ct. against loyalist raids from NY. Lived to attend the Constitutional Convention and to serve as Governor of Ct. Died 1797. Some, like John Hart or Thomas Nelson, died of fatigue or exhaustion brought on by travel and active service. In that sense, the war may indeed have shortened their lives. Then again, how can we know in an age where illness was so commonplace. By the way, would we accept "fatigue" as a cause of death today? Or would we find some more precise explanation. In any case, I don't know if I would list this cause of death in the same sentence as a reference to battle service. Now....Let's look at some of the personal stories told.... >Carter Braxton of Virginia, wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the sea by the British navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags. Ferris and Morris tell a similar story, but watch the twist: "The War for Independence brought financial hardships to Braxton. At its beginning, he had invested heavily in shipping, but the British captured most of his vessels and ravaged some of his plantations and extensive landholdings. COMMERCIAL SETBACKS IN LATER YEARS RUINED HIM." (p. 42). If Braxton sold his home, he did not sell all of them. This entry also notes that Braxton was able to retain his family seat at Chericoke, and died in his Richmond townhouse. No doubt Braxton's fortunes were changed by the war, but can we say, truthfully, that his death in poverty was entirely due to the sacrifices of war??? >Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward. So far, this is correct. But Ferris and Morris state that McKean was able to rebuild his fortune" "McKean lived out his live quietly in Philadelphia. He died in 1817 at the age of 83, survived by his second wife and four of the 11 children from his marriages. He was buried in Laurel Hill Cemetery. HIS SUBSTANTIAL ESTATE CONSISTED OF STOCKS, BONDS, AND HUGE LAND TRACTS IN PENNSYLVANIA (p. 102). > British soldiers looted the properties of Ellery, Clymer, Hall, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge and Middleton. Also William Floyd (NY), John Hart (NC), William Hooper (NC), Philip Livingston (NY), Lewis Morris (NY). Oddly, enough, however, the British had the opportunity to loot the homes of several very prominent signers and did not do so. Although the British evacuated Boston before the signing, why didn't the British vandalize the homes of well-known rebels such as Sam Adams and John Hancock during their occupation of Boston? The British occupied Philadelphia through the winter of 1777, yet the homes of Benjamin Franklin (who surely must have been public enemy #1), James Wilson, Benjamin Rush, Robert Morris. James Wilson's home was attacked by Americans, including militiamen, during food shortages in 1779 (does it count if the suffering was caused by your own side?). Thomas Jefferson was almost captured at Monticello. Why didn't the British burn the estate? >At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr. noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire, which was done. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt. Ferris and Morris also repeat this story, although they qualify it as "family legend". Nelson was unable to rebuild his fortunes after the war and did indeed die in poverty. > Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The British jailed his wife, and soon after she died. This is true. Although Lewis lived until 1802 (and was 89 when he died), he essentially retired from public life after his wife's death. >John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his grist mill were laid waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home after the war to find his wife dead, his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. The story is essentially true, but Hart survived two years after his return from exhile, not a few weeks. Morris and Livingston suffered similar fates Philip Livingston, a member of the extremely influential NY Livingston family, had several properties in New York and Brooklyn that were occupied by the British. He sold other properties to support the war effort before fleeing the British occupation of NY. He died, at the age of 62, in 1778. There were two signers of the Declaration surnamed Morris. LEWIS Morris of New York, had to flee his home, Morrisania, which was damaged in the British occupation. Ferris and Morris note that he was able to rebuild Morrisania. ROBERT Morris, of Pennsylvania may be even more intriguing. Generally recognized for his fundraising efforts during the war, he was later accused (though vindicated) by Thomas Paine of profiteering. As Superintendent of Finance (1781-1784) he was responsible for keeping the young country afloat financially. In 1789, he declined to serve as Secretary of the Treasury (Alexander Hamilton got the job), but served instead as a Senator from PA. Morris' own financial dealings were not as successful. He speculated on western lands on credit, lived extremely well, and embarked on an ambitious home building project. All of this led to personal bankruptcy and time in debtor's prison in 1798. His wife was granted a pension that sustained the family. Robert Morris died in 1806. So there you have it. A grain of truth in everything, but some broad wording that makes for a good story but an inaccurate portrayal of our founders. Brooke - ---------------------------------------- E. Brooke Harlowe Asst. Prof. and Coordinator, Intl Studies major/minor Dept. of Political Science Susquehanna University Selinsgrove PA 17870 harlow@susqu.edu

I've just added the following marriage to my online database: BRUCE Robert, 21, stone cutter, born: Canada, son of Samuel and Susan Married 29 Jul 1850 in Shirley MA to BOURIE Lucy Ann, 24, born: Canada, daughter of John More marriages will be added in the weeks and months to come. Please fill out the Mind-it form on the web site to receive an e-mail notification every time I add data on the surnames you are researching. Doreen Fox http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/massmarriages/index.html ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Searching for ancestors & descendants of above. Parents were Robert & Etta. Married Nels Henry NELSON ca 1915. Lived in the Mason City IA area. Any info appreciated. Russell L Sly <mornangel@uswest.net>