Hello, >My grandmother was Florence BRUCE, she had a sister Callie & Ellen, and it is >said a brother named Ben. There may have been more, this is from family >conversations. I believe their parents may have been John & Lavicey. >Florence was born either 1873 or 1880. I have found documents with both. > >I do not know much about her, the reason ... she had her children between >1896 & 1825. My father was next to the youngest. My parents had most of >there children in the early - mid 50's, but I came along in the late 60's. >So we are talking about Me having an aunt born in 1896. Needless to say, I >never met any of them until this summer, and only one was living to meet on >grandpa's side. & Have not found any connections to this BRUCE family to >meet. > >Florence was married in Hickman County, TN - but I have not found her family >yet. > >Can you help? I would appreciate it if there are any tidbits, stories, >information, researchers of this family, etc. etc. > >Just Diggin'

Hello Dean, Can you tell me where to find King Robert Bruce's genealogy on this web site. John S. -----Original Message----- From: Dean Geiss <geiss@worldnet.att.net> To: BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com <BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 01 September 1999 12:01 Subject: Bruce Genealogy Forum >Claudia, > >It can be found at http://genforum.genealogy.com/bruce/ > >I have found it very informative. > >Good Luck, > >Carol > > >==== BRUCE Mailing List ==== > Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data > Cooperative? > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Larry, Before we buy the books could you tell us if the Bruces of Flemish origin came to England with William the Conqueror in 1066 or do these books suggest the Bruces came to Scotland by a different route. John S. -----Original Message----- From: labruce <labruce@indiana.edu> To: BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com <BRUCE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 02 September 1999 14:18 Subject: Royal Bruce line > >Below are the names of several books that I recommend for those who want >to learn the more likely origins of the Royal Bruce line other than the >Norman one. Read and form your own opinion, but I think you will find it >more of a possiblity than the supposed Norman origins. > > - "Origins of Heraldry" > (Beryl Platts, Procter Press, London, 1980) > > - "Scottish Hazard", vol.1 > (Beryl Platts, Procter Press, London, 1985) > > - "Scottish Hazard", vol.2 > (Beryl Platta, Procter Press, London, 1990) > > Read and learn that the Royal Bruce line is Flemish in origin as >other of the great family names in Scottish history. > > > >Larry L.S. Bruce > > >==== BRUCE Mailing List ==== > Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data > Cooperative? > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > >

Below are the names of several books that I recommend for those who want to learn the more likely origins of the Royal Bruce line other than the Norman one. Read and form your own opinion, but I think you will find it more of a possiblity than the supposed Norman origins. - "Origins of Heraldry" (Beryl Platts, Procter Press, London, 1980) - "Scottish Hazard", vol.1 (Beryl Platts, Procter Press, London, 1985) - "Scottish Hazard", vol.2 (Beryl Platta, Procter Press, London, 1990) Read and learn that the Royal Bruce line is Flemish in origin as other of the great family names in Scottish history. Larry L.S. Bruce

Hello, My grandmother was Florence BRUCE, she had a sister Callie & Ellen, and it is said a brother named Ben. There may have been more, this is from family conversations. I believe their parents may have been John & Lavicey. Florence was born either 1873 or 1880. I have found documents with both. I do not know much about her, the reason ... she had her children between 1896 & 1825. My father was next to the youngest. My parents had most of there children in the early - mid 50's, but I came along in the late 60's. So we are talking about Me having an aunt born in 1896. Needless to say, I never met any of them until this summer, and only one was living to meet on grandpa's side. & Have not found any connections to this BRUCE family to meet. Florence was married in Hickman County, TN - but I have not found her family yet. Can you help? I would appreciate it if there are any tidbits, stories, information, researchers of this family, etc. etc. Just Diggin'

Hi, Carol, Many thanks for the URL...I'll take a look at it! Claudia

In keeping with the discussion on Robert The Bruce, his geneology runs as such, which you might find interesting: Brusse, Earl of Caithness and Sunderland, married Ostrida of Gothland. They had Rognvald (d. 1046) was the general in the Army of King Olaf in Norway. He and his second wife, Felicia of Normandy had a son, Brusi, who was called Robert de Brusse. He married Emma of Brittany around 1020 and they had Robert de Brusse, II. He came with William the Conqueror from Normandy in 1066. Married Agnes St. Clair. They had Adam de Bruse who went to England in 1050 as attendant to Queen Emma, daughter of Richard I. He married Emma Ramsay. They had Robert de Brusse, III, who was born in 1078. He married Agnes Bruce (Agnes Paynell) of Annandale, a distant cousin. They had Robert Bruce of Annandale who married Euphemia. They had Robert Bruce II, Lord of Ananndale. He married Isabel of Scotland, daughter of William the Lion. They had William Bruce, 3rd Baron of Annandale. He married Christina. They had Robert Bruce, 4th Baron of Annandale. He married Isobel of Huntingdon. They had Sir Robert Bruce, Lord of Annandale (1210). He married Isabella de Clare and they had Sir Robert Bruce, Lord of Annandale. He married (first) Marjor Carrick, Countess of Carrick. They had Robert the Bruce, Earl of Carrick, Lord Brus, King of Scotland.

Claudia, It can be found at http://genforum.genealogy.com/bruce/ I have found it very informative. Good Luck, Carol

This site has a ton of old pictures that they've collected and will sell for a nominal fee. They say they're really not in it for the money but just for matching up pictures with ancestors. Don't know about that but I'd buy if I could find one of my ancestors so thought I'd pass this one I found on BRUCE. http://users.erinet.com/31363/fordand.htm BRUCE, George; of Stewartsville, Ohio; taken by Freter Brothers, Bridgeport, Ohio; found Zanesville, Ohio 27 Mar 1999

Hi All, To all the enquiries about where I got my information from, a friend of mine photocopy a large number of pages on the BRUCE line for me from a book called, " The History of Cleveland" by Rev. John Graves pub. 1808 this book there were only a few copies printed and there was a reprint in facsimile edition in 1972. Both are now out of print, but if you look around the second hand stores who knows you may be lucky. Best of Searching Bruce Bedford

At 02:57 PM 8/30/99 , I wrote: >Hmm . . . that makes me a descendent, not of THE Robert the Bruce, but >from one of his ancestors. Robert de Brus 01 was my 28th great >grandfather; his son William de Braiose, brother of Robert de Brus 02 was >my 27th ggf. Or at least was if I have interpreted John's information >correctly. > >But this is through my Richmond line, not the Bruce line (which dead-ends >as far as my information goes with James A. Bruce, b 1884 in Bedford Co, Tenn). That should read 1834, not 1884. Gary+ ------------- Gary D. Gooch gary.gooch@centuryinter.net San Marcos, TX ------------- God is not dead; He is merely unemployed. --Christmas message from Pogo 'Possum, by Walt Kelley

At 10:33 AM 8/30/99 , John K Shearer wrote: >Hi, > >I checked out the Bruce family genealogy at the Society of Genealogists in >London and checked the findings from there against the ' official tomes' in >the Mitchell library in Glasgow. There is a family tree in London for >several generations before 1066 showing Gaelic-Viking descent but the >'official tomes' in Glasgow tend to discount this. > >All of the sources agree on the generations from 1066. > >Generation 01 Robert de Brus landed with William the Conqueror in 1066. > >Generation 02 Robert de Brus, Lord of Skelton in Yorkshire Hmm . . . that makes me a descendent, not of THE Robert the Bruce, but from one of his ancestors. Robert de Brus 01 was my 28th great grandfather; his son William de Braiose, brother of Robert de Brus 02 was my 27th ggf. Or at least was if I have interpreted John's information correctly. But this is through my Richmond line, not the Bruce line (which dead-ends as far as my information goes with James A. Bruce, b 1884 in Bedford Co, Tenn). Gary+ ------------- Gary D. Gooch gary.gooch@centuryinter.net San Marcos, TX mailto:gary.gooch@centuryinter.net ------------- Spirit knows what flesh knows, But Spirit knows it knows. --Charles Williams

Hi, I checked out the Bruce family genealogy at the Society of Genealogists in London and checked the findings from there against the ' official tomes' in the Mitchell library in Glasgow. There is a family tree in London for several generations before 1066 showing Gaelic-Viking descent but the 'official tomes' in Glasgow tend to discount this. All of the sources agree on the generations from 1066. Generation 01 Robert de Brus landed with William the Conqueror in 1066. Generation 02 Robert de Brus, Lord of Skelton in Yorkshire Generation 03 a) Adam de Brus, Lord of Skelton b) Robert de Brus married the heiress of the Lord of Annandale from South West Scotland Generation 04 Robert de Bruce, Lord of Annandale married Isobel, dau.of William the Lion, King of Scotland Generation 05 William Bruce, Lord of Annandale Generation 06 Robert Bruce, Lord Annandale, married dau. of Earl of Huntingdon, grandson of King of Scotland. Generation 07 Robert Bruce, Lord Annandale was a competitor for the Scottish throne when Alexander III was killed. He married Isobel de Clare, dau. of Gilbert Earl of Gloucester. Generation 08 a) Robert Bruce, Lord Annandale married The Countess of Carrick and their son Robert became Earl of Carrick, and King of Scotland b) Barnard Bruce - nothing known c) Sir John Bruce, who became the kings uncle. Generation 09 Robert Bruce, King of Scotland. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Bedford <bedfordp@winshop.com.au> >Hi All, > This is a bit trivia for all the Bruce's that think that they >are related to the Scottish Kings,

Another bit of trivia, the name also means "maker of brew". Personally, I kind of like that one. sandi bruce

Hi All, This is a bit trivia for all the Bruce's that think that they are related to the Scottish Kings, Robert de Brus came to England with William the Conqueror ob.1141 he also had a brother William where they settled in the Yorkshire area of England and today there are still many Bruce's in YRK, his second son Robert de Brus who was also of the same name,this is who the Kings of Scotland were descended from, his mother was Angus the daughter of Faulke Paynell. The first King of Scotland was Robert 1st 1306 to 1329. It was nor till I started to do research on my Grandmother side that I found that not all Bruce's live in Scotland that they originate from Yorkshire and before that Normandy (France). de Brus changed the name to Bruce by decree of the King of England I am not too sure of the year I would have too look it up. Bruce Bedford

Dear List I haven't put my stock into being descendant of Robert the Bruce! I thank the people who have written to me on list and off! Deanna

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Dear Deanna, Read your post re descent from Robert the Bruce, and although there are descendants, none have carried the surname for many, many generations, too many, certainly, for your Isabel! If, however, one can prove one has a "gateway ancestor", or an immigrant here who has royal roots, Robert the Bruce may be one's ancestor after all! Claudia

In a message dated 08/25/1999 8:19:49 AM Central Daylight Time, BRUCE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > John Bruce b. 1740 Midlothian, Edinburgh,Scotland m. Mary > Smith,Edinburgh,Scotland. > William Bruce b. 1762 in Culpepper Co.,Virginia d.1842 in Sumner > Co.,Tennessee m. Mary. Becky, I am also descended from William Bruce and Mary from Culpeper Co., VA and Sumner Co. TN. I have a wonderful lawsuit brought against the heirs of William by Jane Duff Bruce, widow of his son Littleton that lists his sons and daughters and the children of his deceased sons and daughters. I am also descended from a James Bruce and Arrene/Serena/Anna Stanley of Sumner County but I haven't been able to connect either to their parents. He was probably descended from either James or Robert, brothers of the above William, but I have found nothing. Let's compare notes. Joyce

There is an interesting history of Robert the Bruce at:http://www.familytreemaker.com/_glc_/2374/2374_5.html